could someone give me the hours of the library in Columbus Junction.thanks carol berry

i just had a very nice letter from a lady with some GARRETSON family information who connected with me via the information i had sent on the SHELLABARGER line to the Louisa co. Historical Society.It was posted in the last newsletter.Thanks to the people who put the newsletter together so we can receive information from others who are not "online". She is looking for information on a Thomas BAILEY,died 1870 Fredonia,buried Ardon(sp?) Cemetery by Muscatine.Anyone with any help?? carol berry

Hello! I have found an Ona CASSIDY listed in the Social Security Death Index. She was born on June 8, 1920 and died in Wapello in March 1986. I am trying to determine if this Ona is my great-aunt. My g aunt's maiden name was ROBY and she married a Neal CASSIDY. If anyone knows any information on this person, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks, Robyn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I am forwarding the following message that appeared on the TeamLeaders List. >The Census Project would be glad to have anyone who wants to volunteer >We not only need transcribers, we need proofreaders, and other help too. >Please visit our pages at: http://www.usgenweb.com/census/ >Thanks so very much! >Kay Mason National Coordinator USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census/ http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Member, USGenWeb National Advisory Board http://www.usgenweb.org

Hello, I am looking for someone who has access to the History of Louisa County. I understand there is a commentary on a Sarah TUSTISON. I believe it is on page 522. If someone has a copy or access to this book I would sure appreciate a brief note on the reference to TUSTISON on that page. Thank you very much Gary Tustison

Here is another excerpt of information listowners have been discussing. ----------------------------------------------- Just so I don't seem alarmist, here's the background on why I'm concerned. Mattel/Broderbund has just locked up about 85% of the genealogical software and CD-ROM market with their purchases of TLC and hence Broderbund, Palladium, Mindscape, and essentially everyone else who sells genealogical software except Sierra and Wholly Genes. That means the Mattel/Broderbund monopoly can funnel major bucks into genealogy and be certain that it can charge the community essentially whatever it feels like for software and CD-ROMs. Ancestry just sold 30% of their company to CMG (a venture capital company) for $10,000,000. This is money on top of the $60/year they get from "tens of thousands of subscribers" (from the Wall Street Journal). That means that Ancestry has more than $10,000,000 to spend, and they expect to make a *lot* of profit off the community because venture capitalists don't make investments unless they believe they can score some thing 400% or higher profits within a 3-5 year period. Mattel/Broderbund and Ancestry expect to make a *lot* of money off our fellow genealogists. But the community has a choice. We can grow our own cooperatives like RootsWeb and voluntarily spend a few bucks apiece to bring data online, or we can be charged through the nose and make the stockholders at Mattel/Broderbund and Ancestry wealthy. The right choice seems like a no-brainer to me, but 94-98% of RootsWeb's users seem to be saying they think it's a pretty good idea to make the stockholders at Mattel/Broderbund and Ancestry wealthy. BTW, don't worry about the staff at RootsWeb throwing in the towel; we won't quit. But it is kind of discouraging when you watch large numbers of your users making what appear to be barkingly irrational choices. Cheers, B. -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 leverich@rootsweb.com

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0B6187B7062238A4DB7DCCDE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------0B6187B7062238A4DB7DCCDE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by franklin.lisco.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22778 for <njennings@lisco.net>; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:35:13 -0600 (CST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16641; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:31:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:31:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901011732.JAA15476@bl-5.rootsweb.com> Old-To: Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> Old-cc: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com, "Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@rootsweb.com> Reply-to: "Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: Preaching to the converted ! In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:32:39 CST. <199901011633.KAA10313@netdoor.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 09:32:56 -0800 From: Brian Leverich <leverich@rootsweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"mf76UD.A.zDE.2ZQj2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/959 X-Loop: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L-request@rootsweb.com -- Your message was: (from "Carol C-H") > I know this is going to get me into trouble, but am going to say > it anyhow, because I am concerned about the future of RootsWeb, as > we all are on this list. I was prowling around ancestry.com last > evening (because, as they did last year at this time, they have a > free month), and I found that they have a deal - "partners" - in > which they "pay" folks to post datasets. Apparently part of the > "pay" is a year's free usage of all the other data on the website. > I see what Brian just predicted already coming to pass, AND that > the the RootsWeb lists are doing a better job of "advertising" for > ancestry.com than they are "advertising" for RootsWeb. Why? What > is the "carrot" at RootsWeb for the average user? A "good > feeling" from having done a good thing in helping to keep > genealogy freely accessible is not going to do it, IMHO, for the > average user. I think probably not for 99% of the users. IMHO, > that means that RootsWeb has gotta get funds from somewhere other > than users. Advertising? Foundation grants after the 501c3 is > obtained? I don't know, but I fear that if we don't figure > something out pdq, we are all going to burn out - including Brian - > and it is all going to be academic. ------------------ Two points: First, foundation grants aren't going to save us. I've spent most of my life working for 501(c)(3)s, and I understand finding money about as well as anyone. It is *hard* to find grant money, it takes a *lot* of time to bring a grant in, and initial grants are almost always *small* and you have to build up to larger grants over a period of years. I wouldn't count on substantial grant money being a player for at least another three to five years. I'm not sure I'd *ever* count on grants being a significant part of our budget: our costs already run near to a half-million per year, and I'm not aware of *anyone* making grants of that size for *any* genealogical purpose. Second, even if we could support RootsWeb on grants (which we can't), I'm not sure we'd want to. If the users aren't willing to join the Cooperative but they are happy to pay $60/year this year to Ancestry and Broderbund (and probably more in future years), maybe we should just admit we have a bad business model and go home. But I don't believe that. Not at all. I think what we've got to do is get a story out to the users, and the story is that if everyone joins the Cooperative and everyone contributes a little, we can really build something amazing for all of us to use as much as we want. The idea of banding together voluntarily, rather than being forced to enrich Ancestry's venture capitalists and Mattel / TLC / Broderbund's stockholders, ought to be a pretty powerful message. Cheers, B. -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 leverich@rootsweb.com --------------0B6187B7062238A4DB7DCCDE--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5C9C7BB2D8E90DB5AAEFFA99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For your information, I am passing along the more pertinent messages appearing on TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L list for listowners. Several ideas for bumper stickers, hand out flyers to publicize Rootsweb are currently being discussed. The flyers need to be approved yet before they are distributed so ideas are still being fielded for their development. Norma Jennings Listowner and County Coordinator for Louisa and Henry Counties in Iowa --------------5C9C7BB2D8E90DB5AAEFFA99 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by franklin.lisco.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA17971 for <njennings@lisco.net>; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:54:09 -0600 (CST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA02166; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:50:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:50:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <368FB866.63C7@castles.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 10:35:18 -0800 From: Sharon <todt@castles.com> Reply-To: todt@castles.com Organization: TheShipsList X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: cheska@ix.netcom.com Old-CC: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: GENTECH and stickers References: <fd668ea.368eacc4@aol.com> <368F1C07.1085@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ovt4HD.A.1f.SaFk2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1085 X-Loop: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L-request@rootsweb.com Ya know the bumper sticker idea could really be a gold-mine. Everyone likes to 'advertise' or show off their particular hobby or special interest. The GENTECH is a perfect place to start this but not just for the folks who attend. I can't be there (even though I would love to), but I would sure order a bumper sticker AND other stuff like that. Bumper stickers are cheap to have produced and I think some one on this list mentioned having the equipment or knowing someone/someplace to have it done. Surely, we could arrange to have a mass production of these done and then announce on our lists and/or webpages that they are available by mail order. We could put a webpage online for ordering. This isn't something that would take a giant warehouse to handle. Infact could probably easily be handled by a small group of volunteers. As far as mailing them - there must be someone out here who has a bulk-mailing permit. If not, I do know someone who does and I can certainly check to see if I could use it. Folks WOULD pay $5-$10 for a bumper sticker! They could also be sold at County Genealogical Societies, County Fairs, Street Fairs, etc. Another idea is address labels - some cute little design that plugs RootsWeb and has the persons name, mailing address and maybe even email address on them. This could probably be worked out with a label company, who would in turn handle all the orders and mailing of the labels to folks. Something like this could probably be setup online. The lbel company handles it all and RW gets a percent of the sales - plus the publicity! This would work and would probably be something that could be implemented quickly. Again, we could announce this on our lists and webpages with a link to the url to place an order. Maybe a couple of different designs to suit everyones taste - but all plugging RW. Mouse Pads - another good idea that folks WOULD buy. My Micky Mouse pad is just about worn out! And I always buy some sort of 'cute' one! I would probably even buy one for my computer at work - because everyone I work with knows I'm into my ancestors and is always asking me questions - a perfect place to plug RootsWeb with showy little products that will get folks to ask me more questions! Again, there are companies out there that mass produce these; could be handled online and RW getting a percent of the sales. Calendars - either pocket (wallet type calendars), regular 12 month calendars or the larger 'year at a glance' calendar (with some sort of logo/advertising in the center). Again, something I pick up at the office supply store faithfully every year and use them at home and at work - just because they're handy and don't take up a lot of room on a wall - but I 'look' at it every day. All of these items are small in cost, could easily be set up with companies that ARE already online and mass produce the stuff and would handle the bulk of taking the orders, the mailing, etc and RootsWeb get's a percent of the sales and THE PUBLICITY! Sharon -- ************************* Sharon Todtenbier Co-owner TheShipsList mailto:todt@castles.com ************************* --------------5C9C7BB2D8E90DB5AAEFFA99--

With all the spam and revived hoaxes hitting the internet this week, thought you might want this address to check things out for yourself. http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/blhoax.htm

I've just transcribed and posted two rather informative obituaries (1929 & 1913, respectively) for these two longtime Louisa County residents (my ggrandparents) at: (Norma Jennings , feel free to link to them from the Louisa County Web page if you like.) In another specatular development, I've been able to interpret a hand drawn family tree from the early 1900s (on an Thompson & Kelly invoice) which provides 5 generations back beyond Anson Cook Kelly and the Kelly, Teague, and Funas side. Even more increadibly, I'm finding confirmation of all the names (plus DATES!) in Ohio records. I've posted what I have so far to my home page (and will continue to update as I fill in). Happy New Year!!! Ed Gentzler, Seattle

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C093ECAE55BE95870493B467 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------C093ECAE55BE95870493B467 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by franklin.lisco.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25872 for <njennings@lisco.net>; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:47:07 -0600 (CST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14518; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:44:14 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:44:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812260247.SAA10697@bl-5.rootsweb.com> Old-To: Picavet <picavet@ping.be> Old-cc: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com, "Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@rootsweb.com> Reply-to: "Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: Income needed In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 25 Dec 1998 19:03:58 +0100. <v04003a01b2a980de34cd@[193.74.1.54]> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:47:20 -0800 From: Brian Leverich <leverich@rootsweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"HKB-fD.A.iiD.91Eh2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/797 X-Loop: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L-request@rootsweb.com -- Your message was: (from "Picavet") > At 03:44 +0100 24-12-1998, Brian Leverich wrote: > [snip] > > How much do our users *want* us to grow? > [snip] > >So I don't know quite what to say. The users need to tell us what > >they want, and we'll build whatever they're willing to support. > > > I have been learning more about RootsWeb these last couple of days than in > the previous years. I am grateful for the little discussions we are having > here. One of the things I regret most about RootsWeb is that the staff team doesn't have more time just to *talk* with folks. There are twenty or so of us and more than a quarter of a million users of this facility. It's amazing we can keep the hardware and software running at all; finding time to talk with those quarter- million people, even through mass channels like the RWR, is almost impossible. > I have never really considered myself as a "user", but rather as a > supporter of the RootsWeb (read B+K?) ideals. I put my wallet where my > mouth is, which gives gives me th confidence to speak up for my convictions. Georges, you're many things. You are a user, a remarkable supporter, and a creator of resources for other genealogists. We greatly appreciate the contributions that folks like you are making to the genealogical community. > RootsWeb isn't any different from any other business (business > without the connotation of profit). > > The prime responsibility of any business is to survive. > > A business cannot survive without a strategy with clearly defined > goals. > > Enough of this strategy must be visible to the market, so that the > customers (users) can identify with it. > > Support will automatically flow from their identification with the > goals set forward. Our primary goal is to build a great online public genealogical library. We plan to build clusters of resources around surnames and localities, including mailing lists, Websites, GenConnect Boards, link registries, search engines, primary data, and more. I would be a satisfied man if a decade from now any genealogist, anywhere in the world, could access a library with resources similar to the Salt Lake City Family History Library using their PC from the comfort of their own home. A secondary goal, one that we're just starting to think about, is to create tools that will be able to read a user's personal genealogical database on their own PC (in UFT, FTM, TMG, Generations, PAF, or whatever format) and let the user "click on an ancestor" and access the appropriate online surname and locality resource clusters. With a good PC <--> Internet server interface, we think we can make even a great library accessible to newbies, and we think we can make it easy for even newbies to document their sources and perform rigorous research. None of that is going to happen overnight. But if all of our users were members of the Cooperative, I think we would get most of the way there in the next decade. That help with the vision thing? (: BTW, that may sound like an unattainable dream. But it's not. In the last three years, RootsWeb's users, members, volunteers, and staff have already created one of the Internet's 100 (and probably one of the Internet's 25) most heavily trafficked sites. If we can do that in three years starting from scratch, think about what we should be able to do in a decade. Cheers, B. ------------------ -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 leverich@rootsweb.com --------------C093ECAE55BE95870493B467--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------78BF647258AFE92ED5857E37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI --------------78BF647258AFE92ED5857E37 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by franklin.lisco.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14691 for <njennings@lisco.net>; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:47:34 -0600 (CST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28148; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:44:27 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:44:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812270047.QAA15406@bl-5.rootsweb.com> Old-To: Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> Old-cc: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com, "Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@rootsweb.com> Reply-to: "Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: Income needed In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:38:19 CST. <199812262339.RAA26068@netdoor.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:47:44 -0800 From: Brian Leverich <leverich@rootsweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"EE1PO.A.N3G.nLYh2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/804 X-Loop: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L-request@rootsweb.com -- Your message was: (from "Carol C-H") > Brian - I just realized that the post I sent asking for the cost > of these projects was sent to you privately rather than to the > list. Please excuse. OK, I've estimated costs below. > Also - if people wanted to contribute to one of these projects, so > that the money would be available when the time came that it could > be done, would that be possible? I am thinking that if people > researching Washington state wanted special contributions > earmarked for those, or if there were cousins who wanted to > contribute specifically toward the acquisition of census film and > the scanner, would there be a possibility of establishing a fund > for same that could be kept separate from other funds contributed? Arrgh. Something you need to understand about RootsWeb is that we support hundreds of thousands of users for just pennies apiece per month. Even if every single one of our users was a member, we'd be receiving less than 5% (yes, only *five* percent) of what a typical ISP receives from each of its users. What that means is that we do not now have and will never have in the future the ability to handle "special cases". We couldn't begin to maintain separate funds for separate projects; the costs of managing that and providing customer support for people who change their minds and such would kill us. Moreover, I don't know what we'd do if folks contributed $10,000 towards a $45,000 microfilm scanner and then stopped; would we refund the $10,000? Sorry to sound panicky, but one of the things that scares the sysadmins here more than anything else is that nobody in the user community seems to understand what it *means* to support people on pennies per month. We don't have customer support people, we don't have accounting staff, we have toy hardware that requires constant nursing, we don't even have enough staff to answer our own email -- there are 10,000 users out there writing us for every admin that we have available to answer the mail. *sigh* Sorry about that long digression. (: But seriously, any plan that involves increasing administrative complexity at RootsWeb is a nonstarter. We just don't have the resources. > At 01:35 PM 12/26/98 -0800, Brian Leverich wrote: > > > >First, Karen and Tim and the listowners are ready and waiting for > >upgrades to the "lists2" mailing list server and a new "lists3" > >server that we can tune especially to handle the very large lists. > > > >The effect of upgrading "lists2" and adding "lists3" is that we can > >continue adding lists while keeping our average delivery time down > >in the few-seconds range. This is around $11,000. > > ### > > > >Second, Randy, Dale, the USGenWeb Archives/Census projects, and the > >listowners could use a second search engine server because the > >current server is out of disk space (and can't be upgraded) and is > >out of CPU capacity (and can't be upgraded), too. > > > >Adding a second search engine server would allow the USGenWeb and > >mailing list archives to keep growing, and should make searches > >significantly faster. This is around $16,000-24,000, depending on how we configure the server. > > ### > > > >Everyone would enjoy faster lists and faster Web pages if we had > >more bandwidth. We can add bandwidth with a single telephone call, > >but we incur significant new costs when we make that call. This is around $4,000 every month. Cheers, B. ------------------ -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 leverich@rootsweb.com --------------78BF647258AFE92ED5857E37--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D6DBC7F7DE45F4150236CA26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------D6DBC7F7DE45F4150236CA26 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by franklin.lisco.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13059 for <njennings@lisco.net>; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:34:47 -0600 (CST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28197; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:31:53 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:31:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812262135.NAA14653@bl-5.rootsweb.com> Old-To: Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> Old-cc: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com, "Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@rootsweb.com> Reply-to: "Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: Income needed In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:55:44 CST. <199812262056.OAA03091@netdoor.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:35:13 -0800 From: Brian Leverich <leverich@rootsweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"SVVba.A.X4G.IXVh2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/802 X-Loop: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L-request@rootsweb.com -- Your message was: (from "Carol C-H") > Brian, would it be possible for you to tell us when you had > volunteers for a project that would be possible to offer *if* the > money were available, and then let us approach the lists for > funding to provide the server for that specific project? That > would probably bring in a greater response, and would, of course, > be in addition to our "normal" encouragement of membership - ------------------ Sure, I can always tell you at least one, two, or three of the next projects that we have volunteers waiting to handle. Here are the current top-of-the-stack projects: ### First, Karen and Tim and the listowners are ready and waiting for upgrades to the "lists2" mailing list server and a new "lists3" server that we can tune especially to handle the very large lists. The effect of upgrading "lists2" and adding "lists3" is that we can continue adding lists while keeping our average delivery time down in the few-seconds range. ### Second, Randy, Dale, the USGenWeb Archives/Census projects, and the listowners could use a second search engine server because the current server is out of disk space (and can't be upgraded) and is out of CPU capacity (and can't be upgraded), too. Adding a second search engine server would allow the USGenWeb and mailing list archives to keep growing, and should make searches significantly faster. ### Everyone would enjoy faster lists and faster Web pages if we had more bandwidth. We can add bandwidth with a single telephone call, but we incur significant new costs when we make that call. ### If we had the money, in pretty much short order we'd field the new listservers, we'd field the new search engine server, and we'd dial up our bandwidth. As it is, we'll do those things as revenue allows. Then we'll go on to the next projects. BTW, this list sort of shows what frustrates me the most. The next three projects are mainly upgrades of existing facilities. We're only just keeping up. I *really* wish the next three projects read something like: o Have Georges contact Belgium's government and see if they have anything like America's Social Security Death Index that we could buy and bring online. o Buy the full set of Washington state land records (they happen to be available) and bring them online. o Buy an autopositioning microfilm scanner and start bringing several county/years of census pages online every day. But to move from barely keeping up to really developing new resources, we need to move our membership rate from 2-6% of our users up closer to 30-50%. Cheers, B. -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 leverich@rootsweb.com --------------D6DBC7F7DE45F4150236CA26--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------94C888EB0B3324B29A515FE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------94C888EB0B3324B29A515FE4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by franklin.lisco.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09975 for <njennings@lisco.net>; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:16:27 -0600 (CST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02143; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:13:31 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:13:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812261816.KAA13665@bl-5.rootsweb.com> Old-To: Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> Old-cc: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com, "Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@rootsweb.com> Reply-to: "Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: Income needed In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:29:37 CST. <199812261529.JAA20005@netdoor.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:16:48 -0800 From: Brian Leverich <leverich@rootsweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"J80ytD.A.Sh.KdSh2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/800 X-Loop: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L-request@rootsweb.com -- Your message was: (from "Carol C-H") > At 06:47 PM 12/25/98 -0800, Brian Leverich wrote: > > >Our primary goal is to build a great online public genealogical > >library. We plan to build clusters of resources around surnames and > >localities, including mailing lists, Websites, GenConnect Boards, > >link registries, search engines, primary data, and more. > > Brian - Georges post rang a bell for me. I have difficulty presenting > vague goals when asking for support, and could be much more effective with > specific ones. Is there any way that these goals you list in the paragraph > above could be attacked one at a time, with a specified amount to be > raised, with the option of designating contributions toward that goal? If > I recall correctly, that will be kind of a built-in feature of becoming a > non-profit, anyhow, and it would certainly make fund-raising much easier. > That, together with a membership drive on the lists (and hopefully > foundation money) for maintenance should make the goals more easily > attained, IMHO - ------------------ We probably can't do much better than fuzzy goals. Here's why. As much as RootsWeb depends on member contributions to buy the hardware and bandwidth, we also depend on volunteer system administrators to create the software and volunteers of many kinds to create the content. Volunteer availability, because it depends on the individual actions of a relatively small number of people, is essentially unpredictable. If you asked me a year ago to describe specifically where RootsWeb would be right now, one of the things I would have told you was that we'd definitely have HTMLized threaded mailing list archives. That didn't happen. Why? Marc Nozell, the admin responsible for the project, has had sick kids, sick wife, and a whole raft of other problems. It's not at all his fault, but he hasn't had time to worry the problem. On the other hand, a year ago I would have had no clue that we'd have the start of a vibrant UK Birth/Marriage/Death project going on. There was no way to predict Ben and Camilla were going to get excited and move out on that project. What I can tell you is that we'll grow in proportion to support, because at any given time we can *always* find some sysadmin and some group of volunteers ready to use the next server we bring online. RootsWeb has a three year track record of *always* finding a sysadmin and a group of volunteers ready for the next project. It's a serious problem that RootsWeb can't say to our members "donate $10,000 and we'll give you threaded HTMLized mailing list archives" but, while we're dependent on volunteer sysadmins and content providers, how we grow is pretty much going to be governed by which group of volunteers happens to be ready to use the next server we bring online ... Cheers, B. -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 leverich@rootsweb.com --------------94C888EB0B3324B29A515FE4--

Palladium Software (manufacturer of Ultimate Family Tree, and a major sponsor of Rootsweb), was recently bought out by the Banner Blue-Broderbund-TLC-Mattel Conglomerate (products including Family Tree Maker, Family Origins, the World Family Tree CD's, etc.). As a result, Palladium has missed it's December 1st sponsorship payment to RootsWeb, causing no small degree of financial difficulties at RootsWeb, including Karen and Brian having to take out a $25,000 personal loan last week to cover interim expenses. Although they have been assured by representatives of both Palladium and the Broderbund Genealogical Monopoly (now controlling more than 90% of the genealogical software market) that the sponsorship will continue, no date has been given for when the now three-weeks overdue payment will be made. As a result, on behalf of all of us on the RootsWeb List who are already RootsWeb Members, Sponsors and Donors, I ask that you, our fellow On-Line Researchers, PLEASE JOIN US by Signing on as a RootsWeb Sponsor Now (https://www.rootsweb.com/mf.html). Surely the $24 you spend (only $2 a month) to become a RootsWeb Sponsor is a far better way to spend your money than a one-time $50-60 commercial CD. Consider just one example, the RootsWeb-hosted GenWeb Archives at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/, with its thousands of web sites offering millions of bytes more in the way of records than any commercial genealogical enterprise in existence. If it were not for the generosity, support and kindness of our Extended Family at the RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative - the Louisa and Henry County, Iowa websites and lists would not even exist. And ours is only one of almost 5,000 Genealogical Lists made available under the auspices of RootsWeb. In October alone, RootsWeb's servers processed almost 120 million emails, and it is estimated that over a quarter-million genealogists are beneficiaries of RootsWeb's largesse. Despite that, the percentage of RootsWeb Users who contribute financially is under 5% -- far less than what is needed to ensure that the Data Cooperative can remain independent of corporate sponsors -- Free from them and Free for us. Even had this not happened (the missing payment), it is inherently dangerous for us to permit any commercial genealogical enterprise (particularly a monopoly) to provide a significant portion of RootsWeb's income. We, the On-Line Genealogical Community, must stand behind RootsWeb to ensure that it, too, does not become either swallowed whole or destroyed by the Broderbund Barons (arguably their goal when they failed to make a legal, contractual payment). Together we can make it happen, just by Supporting RootsWeb - our own On-Line Universal Genealogy Society. And in the meantime, in addition to your personal Support of RootsWeb, a reminder that another way you can help is by purchasing a far better Holiday Gift for friends and family than commercial genealogical software: a New RootsWeb Gift Membership.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------496B3224230478E9A4FB2FCA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------496B3224230478E9A4FB2FCA Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by franklin.lisco.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA05383 for <njennings@lisco.net>; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:57:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA02157; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 03:55:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 03:55:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812211157.DAA14959@bl-5.rootsweb.com> Old-To: cheska@ix.netcom.com Old-cc: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com, "Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@rootsweb.com> Reply-to: "Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: Fund Drives In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 21 Dec 1998 03:43:06 PST. <367E341D.D4C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 03:57:12 -0800 From: Brian Leverich <leverich@rootsweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"YRrrPB.A.eh.Tcjf2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/686 X-Loop: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L-request@rootsweb.com -- Your message was: (from "Cheska Wheatley") > Another idea... > > Could we devote a website for the Rootsweb Mall? > > Invite booksellers and other genealogy venders who have > websites scattered around the Internet to "rent" a link to > the Mall for an outrageous monthly fee. Maybe convince > them to kick back a percentage of sales that are generated > from these links? ------------------ That's a great idea and, in fact, we're already actively working on a Mall. Having said that, I'd like to point out to everyone that a 1% (just 1% !!!! ) change in the percentage of RootsWeb's users who are members makes about a $50,000 difference in our annual budget. There is *nothing* that we are aware of that will generate revenue like an increase in our membership rate. And 94-98% of our users still aren't members, so there's a lot of room for success in this area. And the really good thing about increasing memberships is that it increases folks' participation in RootsWeb. Everything here is about participation and sharing, and getting more people committed to sharing is definitely a Good Thing. Cheers, B. -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 leverich@rootsweb.com --------------496B3224230478E9A4FB2FCA--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AF4FE709CB905EA92B364A17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI: Rootsweb is once again in a bit of a financial crunch so I am forwarding the notes from Brian Leverich to the lists I own since it can help belie any rumors that are floating around or misinterpretation of the true situation. These were originally posted on the TEAM-MEMBERSHIP list. --------------AF4FE709CB905EA92B364A17 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by franklin.lisco.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25403 for <njennings@lisco.net>; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:59:51 -0600 (CST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19785; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:56:46 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:56:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812210458.UAA13346@bl-5.rootsweb.com> Old-To: plaidkin <plaidkin@earthlink.net> Old-cc: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com, "Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@rootsweb.com> Reply-to: "Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: Fundage In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:25:21 CST. <199812210425.UAA29748@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:58:53 -0800 From: Brian Leverich <leverich@rootsweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"aoYx_C.A.60E.NUdf2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/675 X-Loop: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: TEAM-ROOTSWEB-L-request@rootsweb.com -- Your message was: (from "plaidkin") > Well, I put my money where my mouth was last week and sent in info > to upgrade my sponsorship amount... Thanks! > I sent a memo out to my list to the effect that when folks get a > chance after they've settled down their Holiday finances, they think > back to all they have benefited from at Rootsweb, and consider > subscribing to show support in light of Palladium's recent > withdrawal of support. Thanks even more, though do be careful with information concerning Palladium's sponsorship. They did miss their 1 December sponsorship payment, but they and their new owners do say they'd like to continue the relationship. RootsWeb isn't sure right now how it will all turn out. > I had some thoughts...since I spent this last year in college > taking public relations courses, aka how to schmooze, spin, and > solicit funds 101 and 102, I wondered if anyone out there who's a > listowner or subscriber is also PRelations person, or does > marketing/advertising...they might be a good source to get ideas > about how to promote Rootsweb and collect fundage. RootsWeb could *really* use a publicist. While we don't want to get real hyped about membership (we'd rather just tell people what we're doing and ask for their support), we would love to have someone who could identify genealogical writers, get press releases out to them, write articles themselves for the genealogical rags, and help us get an identity established. One of the bizarre things about operating RootsWeb is that while everyone knows who we host -- CyndisList, the USGenWeb Archives, the biggest chunk of USGenWeb and WorldGenWeb, ... -- surprizingly few people actually know that RootsWeb is the host providing the server space. Even fewer people realize we are about the only experiment in "National Public Radio" user-supported information on the Internet. It's kind of crazy, but I don't know how to tell people the basic fact: you can spend $49 and get one CD-ROM, or you can spend $24 and get the equivalent of dozens of CD-ROMs. And, when you support RootsWeb, you're voting in favor of low-cost community funded resources on the Internet. It's almost a religious thing: do you want to spend $59 at Ancestry and support a company that's locking data up from the public (and might charge more when they have more data), or do you want to spend $24 at RootsWeb and support permanently open data for everyone? *sigh* I just don't know how to get that message out. If anyone wants to volunteer, their efforts would be incredibly appreciated. > And a side question: What exactly is the number of folks who use > Rootsweb and post to the mailing lists? There are approximately 180,000 list subscribers, 85,000 RSL submitters, and a handful of other people that we know about from other parts of RootsWeb. Removing all duplicates, there are about 240,000 users that we know about. Including anonymous Web surfers, we guess that our total user base is about a million people. > Susan Gibson > List-Mngr for McGuigan-L Cheers, B. ------------------ -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 leverich@rootsweb.com --------------AF4FE709CB905EA92B364A17--

Just in time for your holiday viewing--- I've posted a story--written about 1905 by my grandmother--about an adventure that her father and grandfather had in 1852 when they were trapped in the Mississipi River ice. It's at: http://home1.gte.net/gentzler/Trapped_in_the_Ice_(1852).htm The two men involved are: Joseph T. KELLY, [photo] [story] 1817-?, b: OH? d: IA + Matilda Jane Unknown, ?-1848, b: IN? d.1848, Chicago, IL (parents of Anson Cook Kelly, 1844-1925) Anson Cook KELLY, [photo] [story] [biography] 1844-1925, b :Fayette Co, IN m: Letts, IA d: Columbus Jct, IA + Elizabeth Ann MOLES, [photo] [photo2] 1852-1913, b :Carroll Co, OH d :Columbus Jct, IA They are accessable from the above link, or my home page: http://home1.gte.net/gentzler/index.htm If anyone out there has any related information, please contact me. Thanks and happy holidays! Ed Gentzler, Seattle

I do not know what you mean when you say "all of the updated books". I have what I bought from the society. The book that I am working from is copyright dated 1990. I can find no publication date within the book. I purchased it when I was in Iowa a couple years ago. The program that I am scanning the information into is Microsoft Access version 8.0 which requires Microsoft Windows '95 or up to work. The MS Access program is a typical database made up of tables, records and fields. I have been scanning the data and separating the information into various fields. I have established fields for Year of Birth, Year of Death, Age, Last Name, First Name, Sex, Township, Cemetery, Page Number as found in the LCC book, Military Service, and other text data. Someone who owned Access '97 and received my file could instruct the computer to search and find any record that matched a specific criteria. For example, at present I have about 13,000 records in the database. I can easily tell Access '97 program to find and print all recrods that contain the word "BOWEN" in the text field and/or last name field. I can also easily have Access '97 restrict the search further to only males, only males with military service, and only those born after 1975. I am also setting up duplicate records of females based on maiden name with reference to married name. Thus, a married female would be listed twice, once under married name and once under maiden name. As a person who has spent years doing genealogical research I find the maiden name sorting to be very useful. Once all of the data is scanned in then basically any report, sorted in any order, containing all records or selected records can be created and printed. I was thinking of setting up and sending to the society some of the following: Complete list of all records sorted by Last Name/First Name. Selected list of all individuals with military service. Selected list by year of birth for those individuals that Year of Birth is known or can be approximated. Selected list by year of death for those individuals that Year of Death is known or can be approximated. Possibly a complete list of all records sorted by First Name/Last Name. In all instances the duplicate Maiden name record would be include with the Last Names. In each of the above the original page number, Sex, Year of Birth, Year of Death, Age, Last Name, First Name and text would be printed as well. It takes a while to do this because I have to double check the results of the scanning program. Scanning programs tend to misread some data and I have to rekey anything that is wrong. I am confident that the final results will be beneficial. However, in all instances I retain a page number and row number reference for every record so that the original data may be consulted in the Louisa County Cemetery book. In addition to selling a reindexed version of the Cemetery book, you should consider selling the database to those who have Access '97. I understand that once the data is sold in an Access '97 datafile then that person could reprint the book and sell it themselves. But, is that not true also for someone to simply take the hard copy and make xerox copies and sell the copies? As a person who uses Family Tree Maker and is versatile in MS Access I intend to extract my records from FTM and have Access automatically search the scanned Louisa County Cemetery book for probably matches on all names. Others who know how to use Access and Family Tree Maker may wish to do the same thing and would be willing to purchase the computer database. I have scanned up to Union Township, leaving me about 50 pages to go. That's about 3 nights of scanning for me. Then it takes me about a week to separate out years of birth, years of death, ages, military service, maiden names, etc. Then I have to reprint the entire information in original order and compare to the original book. I am hoping to be complete before the end of December. If you have corrections then I need to receive those corrections in some format that will allow me to key in and fix what I have scanned. I have noted some errors that I was going to send to the society for review. My program automatically scans for years of death that come before years of birth. I also have a list of about 15 names that have "wife of" in reference to a clearly male name. I have come across a few other discrepancies as well that should probably be resolved. Let me know what you think.

Hello, several notes and questions here. The Louisa County Genealogical Society met this week and we discussed the cemetery indexing project. Sorry we didn't get back to you sooner. No business meeting was held in November. We certainly appreciate all the offers we received from list members who were willing to tackle the project. Len Bowen from this list is in the process of scanning the book into his computer. Len, do you have all the updated books? Is your program just a list or can it be put into book form that could be sold to bring in any money for the society? If so, are you willing to do that? There are some corrections that need to be made. They could be added to an index. The historical society, who first published the book, only included corrections and additions in its first update. There are more that we are aware of, which should be published. Stephen Bartenhagen is working on a unique indexing project putting families together. We are very excited about the project, and suspect it will be a very large project - perhaps several volumes, if published. Steve, would you be willing to make your work available as an income project for the society? Could you send us a page or two to give us a chance to see what it looks like? Steve, we also very much appreciate the time you have spent in responding to questions from the list. Two others offered to index the cemetery book. Would you be willing to index some other books from our collection? If so, we could photo copy the books and send them to you. Our local membership has a strong core of people who attend each meeting, but it is a very small core, about a dozen people. Again, thanks for your interest. connie Keith/Connie Street ckcasey@netins.net 325 Franklin Ave, Wapello, IA 52653-1515 319-523-8164 [654-5866]