Please, Keith & Connie, reconsider, we need you. I just recently met Keith when visiting in Wapello. He IS a very caring and helpful person. Not only in helping me and my friend for several hours one afternoon, but in reading the messages here I have seen where both Keith and Connie have put forth much effort to help us find our ancestors. We need more people like them in this field and they need our support. Please forgive and forget this incident - then be sure WE ALL remember that flaming it against all lists' rules. It is hurtful, devisive and wasted time. I worked in the Clerk of Courst office in our local county and the only way official records can be changed is with written proof from 3 other sources and an affidavit by an older living relative that this is correct. This does not mean that you yourself cannot put the correct info in your records and share that info with other researching. I do not know how old the record was that Bettijane wanted to change but the older the record the more chance there is of an error in the records as things were not reported for days, weeks and months after the fact. Wilma

Oh PLEEEEASE! If this continues...unsubscribe me! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norma F. Jennings" <njennings@lisco.net> To: <IALOUISA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 0:06 Subject: re:Bear with me, this is long > I don't want anyone to be afraid to state an opinion on this list for > fear of being attacked for what they said. But we will not start > dissecting personalities and analyzing every little word and motive. > That is unnecessary. Keith has always been the peacemaker of our > organization and I, too, find it hard to believe he was ever nasty to > anyone. If he didn't word it quite right, I am sure he regretted it > afterwards. > > Who wants to live in a world where everyone agrees on everything. > Wouldn't that be boring??? > > Connie is correct. You cannot change court records without a judge's > court order to do so. To write in information would be illegal. I for > one would not want anyone to change data that has been entered at a much > earlier date. Right or wrong, that does tell us something about the era > in which they lived. Our name today is Jennings, however, back in > Pennsylvania, my husband's gg grandfather signed his will David > Jennens. For him that was correct. > > I can give another example of my 3rd great grandfather's estate. The > hired genealogist that I paid to search the records for Thomas Jarrard > found nothing. I traveled to Pennsylvania and West Virginia to look for > myself and found a will for an Andrew Gerret. The estate papers > proceeded to give me his children's names.....My Thomas Jarrard, who > was the educated son in the family, was the only one that spelled the > name Jarrard. There were seven different spellings in that one document > and set of papers, because some members of the family could not read or > write. One brother was Jarret, another Jarrett, Jaratt, etc. That is > all part of the history of our family. When Thomas Jarrard died then in > St. Clair County, Illinois, his estate was filed under the name > Jarrott. However, his widow married Cornelius Gooding, an Illinois > State Representative and he proceeded to have the entry corrected to > today's spelling of Jarrard. To carry it further Thomas' son George is > in the census records as Garrad. And so goes the story. Heaven forbid > that anyone had started messing with those records and changing them to > what they thought was correct. > > Now, do you know why so many spellings back then ended with a "t" > instead of a "d". The local folks in West Virginia told me that they > were English and had an English accent and that the Jarrotts and > Jarrards were all the same family as they did not pronounce the final > "r" which made it sound like Jarrad or Jarrat when they told the > recorder their names. Thus the recorder spelled it the way it sounded > to him and they affixed their little mark not knowing it was mispelled. > > Tomorrow is a new day and let's all start off on a different foot. If > you can't say something kind, then say nothing. > > If you are not Christian, keep in mind that I am and I am exercising my > rights by using this little prayer that I have memorized that says it > all. If you are of another faith, please bear with me. I think this > sums up the attitude of our local Louisa County Genealogical Society > members who volunteer and give many hours of their time to help others. > > > Oh, ever mindful, Lord I pray > Be with me at my work today > Control my thoughts, my actions too, > Let every word be kind and true.. > In all I meet, grant I may see > the Christ that dwells in them and me. > May my feet be quick to go > to aid another tired and slow. > And may my hands never shirk > in doing my allotted work. > And when curtains are drawn > Accounts are penned > May I look up to thee and say > I'm grateful for your help today. > > > > > > ==== IALOUISA Mailing List ==== > SUPPORT ROOTSWEB! HELP KEEP GENEALOGY AFFORDABLE. SUBSCRIBE TODAY!! If you would like to help RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative > by becoming a member, sponsor, donor, or patron, please visit: > <http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html> >

Dear Bettijane and all, Thank you Connie, Norma, Wilma, Velma and others for coming to my defense, but I feel that I should personally respond. I apologize to you, Bettijane, if you had the mistaken impression that I was patronizing you and attacking your genealogical character. Whether you had one year or fifty years of genealogical experience is entirely immaterial. It makes me sad to think that such an emotional misunderstanding has been festering within you for such a long time and that you erupt on the list, causing some to state that they may unsubscribe because of the non-genealogical content. Others have given their opinions on the proper procedures to follow when attempting to change official records. I stand by my statement that no reputable genealogist would take it upon himself/herself to change an official record. Records can be changed. My own brother went to his county of birth to obtain a birth certificate needed for a passport. There was no record of his birth in the county. Investigation revealed that the attending doctor had registered the birth in the county he, the doctor, lived in, and not in the county that my brother had been born in. My brother succeeded in getting one county to delete his birth record and to add his birth in the county where he was actually born. It took effort and work, but it was done. Adoptees normally have a new birth certificate issued to replace the original one, which is destroyed or sealed. Which birth certificate is correct? There are few absolutes in genealogy. Others have mentioned how often a single document has several different spellings for a person's name. I could almost guarantee that any list member who follows his/her ancestral and collateral lines through a Federal Census and/or a State Census will find at least one female ancestor who lied about her age. It is common knowledge that many people lied about their ages on marriage licenses and on military enlistment papers. Parents often lied to their children about their wedding date, knowing the children were not likely to go to the courthouse to check it out. The date chosen would be a good 9 months plus after the marriage and .before the date of birth of the oldest child. The official courthouse record of the marriage date might be only four months before the birth. Dates chiseled into granite grave markers in cemeteries have been found to be incorrect. We do not attempt to change these erroneous records. We make note of them, and use what we call the preponderance of evidence method to evaluate them. Our goal should be complete accuracy. Many of us then publish or otherwise share our findings with as wide a group as we can. What satisfies one group may not satisfy another, at a different time. There are descendants of a Mendenhall family in Louisa County. For almost 200 years the family believed that the progenitor, Thomas, had married Jane Strode. Jane Strode's family ancestry was carried back several generations. Within the past year new documents have been found that show that the wife of Thomas Mendenhall was Jane Stroud, and that the ancestry of Jane Stroud was different from that of Jane Strode. So 200 years of belief are suddenly thrown out. The Louisa County Genealogical Society operates a Heritage Center Library, and I normally tell our visiting researchers that we would appreciate having copies of their family research findings, whether they publish in book form or have only family group sheets or narratives. How many of you have sent such information on the families you are researching? Yes, a few of you are proprietary and feel that if anyone else wishes such information that they should do the work and bear the expense themselves. Fortunately, the majority of you feel that sharing is the order of the day. Several of you have donated your family findings to our Heritage Center Library in some form or other, and for this we are appreciative. That means that a person who comes to research at our Heritage Center does not have to start at square one and repeat all of the research done by someone else. So let us close this subject and mutually share and cooperate in our genealogical research for our mutual benefit. From Keith Street Keith/Connie Street ckcasey@netins.net 325 Franklin Ave, Wapello, IA 52653-1515 319-523-8164 -----Original Message----- From: Bettijane Larson <bjlarson@uswest.net> To: IALOUISA-L@rootsweb.com <IALOUISA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, March 17, 2000 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Shellabarger >Hi: I appreciated your feelings in your letter below. I know you were kind >enough to thank them for their assistance to many on the list, and I >appreciate that, too. I got the same type of disgusting response when I >asked to have a note added to a marriage record of MY Grandparents, using >the correct surname for her. Some records can be as wrong as the people >writing them are only human too. That, Keith told me twicee was wrong to >do, "Because no Genealogist would do that!" Made me feel like I was the >smallest dot at the bottom of the list, after 12 years of research, and I >certainly was disappointed with my treatment. I guess we are to continue to >use false information, even though we know the correct information, and >would like to share it corrected with anyone else in the same lines. An Iowa >Descendant, Bj. > -----Original Message----- > From: PAPARG@aol.com <PAPARG@aol.com> > To: IALOUISA-L@rootsweb.com <IALOUISA-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: Shellabarger > > > In a message dated 3/14/00 8:17:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, > ckcasey@netins.net writes: > > << IALOUISA-L@rootsweb.com >> > > Dear Connie Street: > EXCUUUUUSE ME !!! Just who appointed you "Etiquette Monitor" for the > Louisa Co list. Normally, I would only send this letter to Connie Street >but > I thought it important to let all the other list members know that the > Etiquette Monitor is standing over us all waiting to pounce if your >posting > wasn't up to her standards. > > First of all, let's get the facts straight. > 1. The e-mail to which you are referring was not even addressed to YOU. >I > fail to see why you think it is your concern to correct this (in your >mind) > oversight. If it is such a problem, I would hope that George or Verna >would > bring this to my attention. I could then have explained to them and I >think > it would have been perfectly clear why I responded to George instesd of > Verna. But no, Connie Street, "Miss Etiguette Monitor for the list" had >to > butt in and not only embarrass me and probably George and Verna May by > broadcasting her letter to the entire list and thereby making it >necessary > for me to respond back to her and the list, but has shown the entire >list > that she did not have the facts straight before she made the assumption >that > I had made an "LIST ETIQUETTE ERROR". My My My, shame on Miss >Etiquette. > > 2. I did actually read the entire e-mail including the signing of the >letter > and I then compared it to the FROM address and I saw the >difference. > That FROM address had the name George May at the end in parenthesis. >Since > the name Verna never appeared anywhere in the letter, I concluded that >It > would be propper to use the name George in the greating as the return >address > indicated. > > This whole mess could have been avoided had you (Connie) had reacted >more > appropriately. You could have just minded your own business or, If this >was > such a concern to you (Connie), you could have emailed me directly and >not > involved the entire list. An appropriate email to me on the subject >would > have resulted in the simple explanation I stated above and the matter >would > have been resolved and none of us would have suffered this >embarrassment. > > I do realize that Connie and Keith are icons to this list and I do >respect > that. They do a lot of very helpful work for a lot of people including >me. I > do want that to continue. The email Connie Street sent to me and the >list was > totally inappropriate and I felt required an answer both to the list and >to > Connie. The wording of the email sent by Connie to me was inappropriate >and > the email subject was inappropriate to be sent to the list. > > In conclusion, I sincerely hope that George and Verna May will accept my > apology for getting them mixed up in this situation and will respond to >the > email that I sent to them. I would also like to apologize to the list >for my > part in this embarrassing moment. I hope that this matter is now >resolved and > that both Connie and I can continue as responsible members of the Louisa >Co. > Iowa list > > Ron Garmoe > > > ==== IALOUISA Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to check out the web sites for southeastern Iowa families. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ialouisa > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ialcgs > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iahenry > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~jennings > > > > >==== IALOUISA Mailing List ==== >Don't forget to check out the web sites for southeastern Iowa families. >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ialouisa >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ialcgs >http://www.rootsweb.com/~iahenry >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~jennings

I don't want anyone to be afraid to state an opinion on this list for fear of being attacked for what they said. But we will not start dissecting personalities and analyzing every little word and motive. That is unnecessary. Keith has always been the peacemaker of our organization and I, too, find it hard to believe he was ever nasty to anyone. If he didn't word it quite right, I am sure he regretted it afterwards. Who wants to live in a world where everyone agrees on everything. Wouldn't that be boring??? Connie is correct. You cannot change court records without a judge's court order to do so. To write in information would be illegal. I for one would not want anyone to change data that has been entered at a much earlier date. Right or wrong, that does tell us something about the era in which they lived. Our name today is Jennings, however, back in Pennsylvania, my husband's gg grandfather signed his will David Jennens. For him that was correct. I can give another example of my 3rd great grandfather's estate. The hired genealogist that I paid to search the records for Thomas Jarrard found nothing. I traveled to Pennsylvania and West Virginia to look for myself and found a will for an Andrew Gerret. The estate papers proceeded to give me his children's names.....My Thomas Jarrard, who was the educated son in the family, was the only one that spelled the name Jarrard. There were seven different spellings in that one document and set of papers, because some members of the family could not read or write. One brother was Jarret, another Jarrett, Jaratt, etc. That is all part of the history of our family. When Thomas Jarrard died then in St. Clair County, Illinois, his estate was filed under the name Jarrott. However, his widow married Cornelius Gooding, an Illinois State Representative and he proceeded to have the entry corrected to today's spelling of Jarrard. To carry it further Thomas' son George is in the census records as Garrad. And so goes the story. Heaven forbid that anyone had started messing with those records and changing them to what they thought was correct. Now, do you know why so many spellings back then ended with a "t" instead of a "d". The local folks in West Virginia told me that they were English and had an English accent and that the Jarrotts and Jarrards were all the same family as they did not pronounce the final "r" which made it sound like Jarrad or Jarrat when they told the recorder their names. Thus the recorder spelled it the way it sounded to him and they affixed their little mark not knowing it was mispelled. Tomorrow is a new day and let's all start off on a different foot. If you can't say something kind, then say nothing. If you are not Christian, keep in mind that I am and I am exercising my rights by using this little prayer that I have memorized that says it all. If you are of another faith, please bear with me. I think this sums up the attitude of our local Louisa County Genealogical Society members who volunteer and give many hours of their time to help others. Oh, ever mindful, Lord I pray Be with me at my work today Control my thoughts, my actions too, Let every word be kind and true.. In all I meet, grant I may see the Christ that dwells in them and me. May my feet be quick to go to aid another tired and slow. And may my hands never shirk in doing my allotted work. And when curtains are drawn Accounts are penned May I look up to thee and say I’m grateful for your help today.

Dear Connie and Keith: I can't believe what I am reading. I had thought that these two matters had died down, now they raise their "ugly" faces again. I'm sure the majority of the Louisa County List are common sensed, appreciative, sensitive, caring and sharing, good people. Connie, PLEASE do not let those who aren't, ruin something you obviously care deeply about. People who spend so many hours volunteering their time and efforts to help others, should NEVER be spoken to the way I have seen lately with you and Keith. Common sense should tell one that they couldn't go in and just change age old records in the courthouse at will. As for Keith, he is as you say, the most kind, sweetest man and does not deserve this either. He has helped me at the Center in Wapello and searched with me as if it were his own family he was looking for. That shows he is a caring person. The rest of us are looking for OUR family histories, you all are looking for EVERYONE'S families. That deserves some RESPECT! Please reconsider, as the rest of us I'm sure, appreciate you and Keith's contributions to genealogy and to the Louisa County Mailing List. Verna May Alone we can do little, together we can accomplish much. ....Helen Keller Keith/Connie Street wrote: > > Bettijane, I have no clue what you are talking about. If you want to > change an official record, you have to go to court to do it. You must prove > to a judge that the recorded information is incorrect. You can't just walk > in and change it. > > I suspect what he thought was that you wanted to write over the record, if > he said no genealogist would do that. > > I told Ron privately there would be no more messages from me on this list, > but I couldn't stand by and have my husband attacked. He is the most > sensitive and caring person in the world and I can't imagine him saying > anything disrespectful or hurtful to any living person. > > So long. Even though some of you have been hateful, I wish you all the best > of luck in your research. > > Connie Street > ckcasey@netins.net > > ==== IALOUISA Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to check out the web sites for southeastern Iowa families. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ialouisa > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ialcgs > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iahenry > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~jennings --

Betttijane, I have no clue what you are talking about. If you want to change an official record, you have to go to court to do it. You must prove to a judge that the recorded information is incorrect. You can't just walk in and change it. I suspect what he thought was that you wanted to write over the record, if he said no genealogist would do that. I told Ron privately there would be no more messages from me on this list, but I couldn't stand by and have my husband attacked. He is the most sensitive and caring person in the world and I can't imagine him saying anything disrespectful or hurtful to any living person. So long. Even though some of you have been hateful, I wish you all the best of luck in your research. Connie Street ckcasey@netins.net

Does anyone have the URL for printing out the long form to leave for our descendents? I had it at one time and now cannot find it. I want to fill it out and leave it with my other records. Lois in CA

- Was over looking at our server homepage which is Shianet.org and they were alerting us to the fact that we "might " be able to post our census survey directly to the census bureau. It was easy, and so nice. I am fairly new at this, but had no difficulty. Can you imagine the money that could be saved if all of us with computers could do this??? I wish they would have offered us the long census survey on the net. Hopefully those who are still around for the next census will put up a real fight to get a proper census survey for ALL of us. Dulcie http://www.2000.census.gov/

Hi: I appreciated your feelings in your letter below. I know you were kind enough to thank them for their assistance to many on the list, and I appreciate that, too. I got the same type of disgusting response when I asked to have a note added to a marriage record of MY Grandparents, using the correct surname for her. Some records can be as wrong as the people writing them are only human too. That, Keith told me twicee was wrong to do, "Because no Genealogist would do that!" Made me feel like I was the smallest dot at the bottom of the list, after 12 years of research, and I certainly was disappointed with my treatment. I guess we are to continue to use false information, even though we know the correct information, and would like to share it corrected with anyone else in the same lines. An Iowa Descendant, Bj. -----Original Message----- From: PAPARG@aol.com <PAPARG@aol.com> To: IALOUISA-L@rootsweb.com <IALOUISA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Shellabarger In a message dated 3/14/00 8:17:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, ckcasey@netins.net writes: << IALOUISA-L@rootsweb.com >> Dear Connie Street: EXCUUUUUSE ME !!! Just who appointed you "Etiquette Monitor" for the Louisa Co list. Normally, I would only send this letter to Connie Street but I thought it important to let all the other list members know that the Etiquette Monitor is standing over us all waiting to pounce if your posting wasn't up to her standards. First of all, let's get the facts straight. 1. The e-mail to which you are referring was not even addressed to YOU. I fail to see why you think it is your concern to correct this (in your mind) oversight. If it is such a problem, I would hope that George or Verna would bring this to my attention. I could then have explained to them and I think it would have been perfectly clear why I responded to George instesd of Verna. But no, Connie Street, "Miss Etiguette Monitor for the list" had to butt in and not only embarrass me and probably George and Verna May by broadcasting her letter to the entire list and thereby making it necessary for me to respond back to her and the list, but has shown the entire list that she did not have the facts straight before she made the assumption that I had made an "LIST ETIQUETTE ERROR". My My My, shame on Miss Etiquette. 2. I did actually read the entire e-mail including the signing of the letter and I then compared it to the FROM address and I saw the difference. That FROM address had the name George May at the end in parenthesis. Since the name Verna never appeared anywhere in the letter, I concluded that It would be propper to use the name George in the greating as the return address indicated. This whole mess could have been avoided had you (Connie) had reacted more appropriately. You could have just minded your own business or, If this was such a concern to you (Connie), you could have emailed me directly and not involved the entire list. An appropriate email to me on the subject would have resulted in the simple explanation I stated above and the matter would have been resolved and none of us would have suffered this embarrassment. I do realize that Connie and Keith are icons to this list and I do respect that. They do a lot of very helpful work for a lot of people including me. I do want that to continue. The email Connie Street sent to me and the list was totally inappropriate and I felt required an answer both to the list and to Connie. The wording of the email sent by Connie to me was inappropriate and the email subject was inappropriate to be sent to the list. In conclusion, I sincerely hope that George and Verna May will accept my apology for getting them mixed up in this situation and will respond to the email that I sent to them. I would also like to apologize to the list for my part in this embarrassing moment. I hope that this matter is now resolved and that both Connie and I can continue as responsible members of the Louisa Co. Iowa list Ron Garmoe ==== IALOUISA Mailing List ==== Don't forget to check out the web sites for southeastern Iowa families. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ialouisa http://www.rootsweb.com/~ialcgs http://www.rootsweb.com/~iahenry http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~jennings

Amen to that. Flaming has no place here. > #7 re:Keep it kind, please ["Norma F. Jennings" <>In a > >Dear Connie Street: >EXCUUUUUSE ME !!! Just who appointed you "Etiquette Monitor" for the We are happy to have someone speak up in regards to anti- flaming. Thanks Connie. You certainly are within your rights. We appreciate it.

I'm passing this on just in case it might be of interest to someone on the list. > Hello List Members, > > Texarkana USA Genealogical Society has in its possession more than 9,000 > Original Marriage Certificates for marriages in Bowie County TX and 2,000 + > Originals for Miller County AR. The majority of them are from about 1889 to > 1935. A few older, some more recent. The Miller County are indexed by both > Groom and Bride. The Bowie County are indexed by Groom only. Currently, we > are working to index these by Bride as well but it will take a while > longer. > > They can be obtained for the low cost of $2.50, a SASE and a short lineage > chart showing your relationship to the individuals. > > If you had relatives who married in either of these counties in this time > frame, I will be happy to check for availabilty of their certificates. If > we > have them, you will be notifed on where to send your information so that it > will reach the proper person. Will also notify you if they are not > available. > > We would love to get all of these Certificates placed in the hands of > family > members as they would be a great addition to your family records. Please > feel > free to forward this mail to any list to which you subscribe. > > Thanks, > Doris Lindblad > Hstryhntr2@aol.com > > > ==== GenSwap Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb!!!! Send in a donation today! > http://www.rootsweb.com > >

Dear List and Ron, Connie and Norma: My apologies to you all that my Email address is confusing and caused this comotion in the LC mailing list. The ironic thing is my husband NEVER sends Email. First of all it would take him all night to type one sentence. But that is the way it was set up with the ISP and I have lived with it for a long time. As well I have seen other messages come to me the same way, usually I look for the signature on the bottom of the message and respond accordingly. But I have missed it occasionally, too. As a CC for the IAGENWEB myself, I get Email all the time thanking George for looking something up for them. I am just grateful they remember to thank me at all. What I am really concerned about is that we are here to help each other and are in fact a Louisa County mailing list FAMILY. We need to stick together for our common goals. I am sorry for this rift in this wonderful family we have going here, and sincerely hope this is behind us now. I can understand everyone's position here, but some of the words were very harsh and not warranted. I have a great respect for the fact that Louisa County has three Genealogical Society members in charge of this county web site plus many volunteers who do wonderful things to help everyone who is searching for their past. I hope we can put this behind us now and try to be kinder to one another. A little RESPECT for each other, goes a long way. Verna May -- Alone we can do little, together we can accomplish much. ....Helen Keller http://www.rootsweb.com/~iawayne/index.htm

As Listowner of the Louisa County Mailing List, may I remind you to keep it kind on this list. Nasty letters are highly inappropriate and against all list rules. Persistent troublemakers will be unsubscribed. Due to Keith's recent heart problems we have removed his name from the webpages to reduce his workload, but I still consider Keith and Connie Street my Co-Coordinators of the Louisa County Webpages and as such, they would be the ones to take the reins of the mailing list and the webpages if I suddenly left this earth. They do have the right to suggest guidelines for proper etiquette on this list and in the event of my demise, they or Rachelle Curtis and other members of the Louisa County Genealogical Society would be in charge of handling any necessary transitions. We are here to help you, not chastize anyone, but we do insist on a harmonious list and hopefully, we are all broad shouldered enough to survive a little constructive criticism now and then without getting all bent out of shape. Norma Jennings

In a message dated 3/14/00 8:17:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, ckcasey@netins.net writes: << IALOUISA-L@rootsweb.com >> Dear Connie Street: EXCUUUUUSE ME !!! Just who appointed you "Etiquette Monitor" for the Louisa Co list. Normally, I would only send this letter to Connie Street but I thought it important to let all the other list members know that the Etiquette Monitor is standing over us all waiting to pounce if your posting wasn't up to her standards. First of all, let's get the facts straight. 1. The e-mail to which you are referring was not even addressed to YOU. I fail to see why you think it is your concern to correct this (in your mind) oversight. If it is such a problem, I would hope that George or Verna would bring this to my attention. I could then have explained to them and I think it would have been perfectly clear why I responded to George instesd of Verna. But no, Connie Street, "Miss Etiguette Monitor for the list" had to butt in and not only embarrass me and probably George and Verna May by broadcasting her letter to the entire list and thereby making it necessary for me to respond back to her and the list, but has shown the entire list that she did not have the facts straight before she made the assumption that I had made an "LIST ETIQUETTE ERROR". My My My, shame on Miss Etiquette. 2. I did actually read the entire e-mail including the signing of the letter and I then compared it to the FROM address and I saw the difference. That FROM address had the name George May at the end in parenthesis. Since the name Verna never appeared anywhere in the letter, I concluded that It would be propper to use the name George in the greating as the return address indicated. This whole mess could have been avoided had you (Connie) had reacted more appropriately. You could have just minded your own business or, If this was such a concern to you (Connie), you could have emailed me directly and not involved the entire list. An appropriate email to me on the subject would have resulted in the simple explanation I stated above and the matter would have been resolved and none of us would have suffered this embarrassment. I do realize that Connie and Keith are icons to this list and I do respect that. They do a lot of very helpful work for a lot of people including me. I do want that to continue. The email Connie Street sent to me and the list was totally inappropriate and I felt required an answer both to the list and to Connie. The wording of the email sent by Connie to me was inappropriate and the email subject was inappropriate to be sent to the list. In conclusion, I sincerely hope that George and Verna May will accept my apology for getting them mixed up in this situation and will respond to the email that I sent to them. I would also like to apologize to the list for my part in this embarrassing moment. I hope that this matter is now resolved and that both Connie and I can continue as responsible members of the Louisa Co. Iowa list Ron Garmoe

No offense Ron, but I wish people would look at the signatures at the bottom of messages. It was Verna May, not George who answered the latest message. I get so many emails addressed to Keith when they are in response to something I wrote. I have easily missed them by not reading past the salutation. I don't mean to sound picky, but when people are that lax in letter writing, how are we to trust their research? Please take the time to see who actually wrote before responding. It's simple etiquette. Connie Street ckcasey@netins.net 325 Franklin Ave, Wapello, IA 52653-1515 319-523-8164 >George, I would be very interested in any info you or others might have on > Mary E. POWELL Shellabarger. Especially her parents. >Thanks >Ron Garmoe >PapaRG@aol.com

Dear Carol and list members: Were there two Vinton Shellabargers'in Louisa County, or maybe he was married twice? I have a copy of an original handwritten obituary by Edna Florence Shellabarger Rodgers, who states she is the daughter of Vinton G. and Mary E. Powell Shellabarger and was born Mar. 23, 1880 at Letts, Iowa. I believe Edna had a sister, who married a man named Brown and are buried in the Letts Cemetery. Verna May -- Alone we can do little, together we can accomplish much. ....Helen Keller http://www.rootsweb.com/~iawayne/index.htm

susie and all who are interested, The Shellabarger line is Zurich, Switzerland(they were called "Swissies") to Pennsylvania and if you are searching Ohio,they were in Clark and Greene county also,Richland,Ohio. I "think" the the Blanche in the 1900's graduation post is a daughter of Vinton Shellabarger,son of Issac.and Charlotte (Galbrith)Shellabarger carol On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:34:45 -0500 Susie Martin-Rott <rootbound@netzero.net> writes: >Since Steve Harrison mentioned Blanche SHELLABARGER, I have a >question >about Shellabarger I've been meaning to post. I am not actively >researching >this line, but now have discovered that the long "missing" brother of >my >Daniel >Grimm (Muscatine Co) Johann Grimm was married in Ohio to a Louisa >Shellabarger! >Does anyone know where the Shellabarger's who are so prevelant in >Muscatine & Louisa >Counties came from? >__________________________________________ >NetZero - Defenders of the Free World >Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > >==== IALOUISA Mailing List ==== >Don't forget to check out the web sites for southeastern Iowa >families. >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ialouisa >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ialcgs >http://www.rootsweb.com/~iahenry >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~jennings >

In a message dated 3/14/00 5:23:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, vmay@geneseo.net writes: << IALOUISA-L@rootsweb.com >> George, I would be very interested in any info you or others might have on Mary E. POWELL Shellabarger. Especially her parents. Thanks Ron Garmoe PapaRG@aol.com searching: GARMOE, JOY, POWELL, MATTHEWS, CLARK, McKEEHAN

Since Steve Harrison mentioned Blanche SHELLABARGER, I have a question about Shellabarger I've been meaning to post. I am not actively researching this line, but now have discovered that the long "missing" brother of my Daniel Grimm (Muscatine Co) Johann Grimm was married in Ohio to a Louisa Shellabarger! Does anyone know where the Shellabarger's who are so prevelant in Muscatine & Louisa Counties came from? __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Thanks to the efforts of Diane Schreiner, the 1922 Graduating Class of Wapello High School has been added to our website. We also killed the gremlin that ate the 1921 Columbus Junction High School Graduating Class and it has been reinstated on IALCGS. If you have a commencement folder, 50 years or older, you would like added to the website please contact mailto:njennings@lisco.net To view these, they may be found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ialcgs/whs1922.htm htttp://www.rootsweb.com/~ialcgs/chs1921.htm