This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: apsaroke Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/1713.1.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks, Walter. I shall have to track down that record. I found Thomas and Eliza in the 1856 Census with a bunch of their kids. It's on two non-contiguous pages, and there is a 30-year old (born abt. 1826) James Greenwood listed at the end, born in Iowa, zero years in this state, a blacksmith, with the militia box checked. He's gone by 1860. I assume this might be the "boy" you are referencing, but it doesn't look like a fit with James, son of Caleb, that was born in abt. 1841. James was in Coloma, CA in 1849 when he noted my great grandmother left his father's house to be married, he was present when Caleb died in the same area in 1850, and he's also referenced as one of the four Greenwood brothers that settled on the coast in CA. There is also a "legend" out here of a eldest son of Caleb named Joseph that might have remained out your way. ***Do you recall the name of this boy and if there is some record that would say he was left there by Caleb? I am sure you are correct that Caleb did not let the grass grow under his feet, and I would not be surprised in the least if he had other women, but I would be surprised if he left any behind without the rest of his clan knowing anything about them. He seems to have taken great care to gather up his kids along the way. The story in our family of my great great grandmother's parents being killed by Indians might fit with what you say about outsiders. I think I'm clear on the two St. Mary's references. My problem was that I found St. Mary's records related to St. Louis, and you've clarified that what I should have been after was St. Mary's in Kansas. I imagine Mr. Harvey must have been one of those Harveys. Too bad Hoecken didn't list the first name. It would not surprise me either to find that there was some relation between your PA Greenwoods and Caleb, but I think the evidence is pretty strong that he was from VA, and he was born closer to 1782 rather than the 1763 that has been attributed to him due to his habit of telling tall tales. At some point the VA Greenwoods were in Illinois (Madison County I think), and one of Caleb's fur trapping pals named Larrison married Caleb's sister there. The Ebermans were also in that county at about the same time. These Greenwoods in IL eventually largely moved on to TX, and the ones there knew of a relationship to Caleb. Caleb was also apparently a family name in this VA-TN-AR-IL-TX branch. I think Caleb had an uncle with that name and/or his grandfather had the name. One or the other shows up in TN and/or AR and I believe has sometimes been confused for the one I'm connected to. Caleb's children also always noted his birthplace as VA/TN in census records. John Greenwood is another interesting character. As you know, he was in the California battalion serving under a Grigsby that the Greenwoods had helped guide to California, and he returned to your area in 1847. There he married Sarah Eberman accompanied this wife and the family back to CA in 1848 and in Apr 1849 was in Coloma, CA after perhaps a short detour to Sonoma. In Dec 1850, after his father had died, he was in Marin County with his wife, and in Mar 1852 they had a child there. I believe this child died very young, as Sarah left him in August 1852 and moved to Mendocino. In 1854 she moved to Oregon where she divorced him in 1856 saying also that she'd heard he was killed in a drunken row in 1853. I don't doubt that he might have been, but it wasn't in 1853. She must have hated him by then, as her description of the marriage is colorful, and in later years she did not even mention his name when describing another incident in which he was a prime actor. As you k! now, he was alive and well in 1861 when he was claiming his pension in San Bernardino County, CA, and after that the trail runs cold. Nobody knows what became of him. I don't suppose he returned to your area, and I doubt at that time he'd have left the west again, but who knows? Some of Caleb's kids died in poor shape. Britton died impoverished after having most of his kids die beforehand, some in tragic ways. William was murdered in 1875. Boggs was hung in 1864. James killed himself in 1908 after having four of his five kids die beforehand and marital troubles. In the end there is no male Greenwood out this way that descends from them. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.