This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Tfaw2 Surnames: Faw Faw, Bernard Classification: marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/7414.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes, but all I have from the 1830's are the three treaties signed by the Otoe and Missourias. On the first treaty dated July 15, 1830 at Prairie du Chien, Territory of Michigan. There are 14 Otoes and 5 Missourias, I believe that the first 7 Otoes are the Chiefs and the second 7 are Half-Chiefs or next in line. We can eliminate the Missourias because what documentation we have on Mi-Am-Pe-Ma all state that she is Otoe, which is the NH-BR list and the articles that you posted. However there are no Missouria on the NH-BR list only Otoes, but that doesn't mean that some of them weren't Missouria. On the second treaty that set aside the land for the Nemaha Half-Breed Reserve dated September 21, 1833 at the Otoe Village on the Platt River. There are 26 names with no affiliation to tribe. Of these names, I am familiar with the 18th name on the list, which is Wah-Nah-Sha. To me this means that he is a brave on this list. My great grandfather, William Faw Faw had an Otoe name that was Wa-No-Sa. I found on the first Otoe roll that I have from 1886, the spelling as Wah-Na-Sa, I know that it is pronounced "Waw" "No" "Say" and it means "The one that takes away" or the process of taking something away from someone or something. Family Oral tradition states that the son carries on the name of the father. In William's case, Lewis Bernard Faw Faw may not have had an Otoe Name besides Faw Faw because that is what the Otoes called his father, Joseph Bernard. My thinking on this is that maybe just maybe they gave WIlliam the Otoe name Wa-Na-Sa because that was what his mother's(Me-hun-tha-ga) father's name was. On the third treaty dated October 15, 1836 at Bellevue, Upper Missouri. Wah-Nah-Shah appears as the 11th signee this time, which to me, means that he is now a Half-Chief. I have Wah-Nah-Sha's birth at about 1800 which is a guess because of Me-hun-tha-ga's age. Mi-Am-Pi-Ma's age is 45 in 1856 making her birth date about 1811. So I don't think that Wah-Nah-Sha would have been old enough to be Mi-Am-Pi-Ma's father, but old enough to be Me-hun-tha-ga's father. The main reason is that he is not on the 1830 Treaty but is made a Half-Chief by 1836. I will continue to examine the rest of the names to see who is on all the treaties and let you know if I can connect any of them back to Mi-Am-Pi-Ma. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.