This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1461.1 Message Board Post: I believe that Martin Wade must have been born in 1850, not 1860. I have him in a couple census records in Fremont Co. which would indicate the 1850 date, although I did not have the month and date.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1522.1 Message Board Post: Walter: Thank you for the information, it explains alot to me!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Burras, Burrows Classification: Biography Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1535 Message Board Post: During her retirement, Mabel Bridge (4/6/1891 - 4/18/1976), using a card file, gathered notes on the earliest of the pioneers in Fremont county.I'm copying the following from Mabel's notes: 1.--1839: Came in 1839 from Indiana, settled at Pleasant Grove about 4 miles west and a little south of Riverton on west isde of Nishnatobna.--Cowden 2.--1839: Arthur Burras came from Indiana in 1839.--History of Fremont County, 1881, page 509.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Burdick Classification: Biography Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1534 Message Board Post: During her retirement, Mabel Bridges (4/6/1891 - 4/18/1976), using a card file, gathered notes on the earliest of the pioneers in Fremont county. I'm copying the following from Mabel's notes: 1856 Iowa State Census: "Fisher township", Fremont county. Jackson Burdick....29....9 yrs. in State....b. NY Jesse (male)..........18...9...........................NY

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Biography Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1387.3 Message Board Post: THE FREMONT COUNTY HERALD. September 11, 1924. "IOWA LEADS IN T.B. WORK. Almost As Many Cattle Being Tested In One Month As In U.S. Six Years Ago".--Iowa is far and away in the lead among all other states in the number of cattle being tested for tuberculosis, with Wisconsins econd in the list. The remarkable increase in the number of cattle tested since 1918 is the subject of a chart prepared by the Bureau of Animal Industry, United States Department of Agriculture. During the year 1918 federal and state veterinarians in the United States made official test of 131,143 cattle under the uniform plan for tuberculosis eradication. Iowa, during the first six months of 1924 tested 384,453 cattle, or almost three times as many as the entire United States did in 1918. Last Year the entire United States tested a total of 3,460,849 cattle or nearly 30 times as many as were tested in 1918. Iowa in the month of June, 1924, tested 93,264 cattle. Among the 384, 453 head tested during the first six months of 1924 there were represented 27, 451 herds, thus showing the widespread distribution of the testing work. Winnebago county is the first Iowa county to be put on the accredited list because of the number of cows tested. As a result hog raisers are receiving a bonus of 10 cents per hundred pounds for their hogs because of the eradication of tuberculosis among cattle.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Davis, Dean, Hatten, Kelloway, Lovelady, Schmehill, Shannon, Stone, Thomas, Van Eaton, Wightman Classification: Biography Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1533 Message Board Post: THE FREMONT COUNTY HERALD. September 18, 1924. "Annual Picnic".--The Van Eaton family held their annual family picnic at the park (recently. Those attending were) Mr. and Mrs. Ben Davis; Joe Dean; Mr. and Mrs. G.T. Hatten; Mr. and Mrs. Platt Kelloway of Adair, Iowa; Dr. and Mrs. Ralph Lovelady; Mr. and Mrs. George Schmehill of Chicago; Mr. and Mrs. F.R. Shannon; Mr. and Mrs. Harry Stone of Malvern; Mr. and Mrs. Ira Thomas of Randolph; Mr. and Mrs. J.J. Van Eaton and son; Roscoe Van Eaton and daughter; Mr. and Mrs. Tom Van Eaton and family; Mr. and Mrs. Ted Wightman.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Laughlin Classification: Biography Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1387.2 Message Board Post: THE FREMONT COUNTY HERALD. September 18, 1924. "Tuberculosis Eradication".--Tuberculosis Eradication in Fremont county should begin this winter according to an announcement by the State Department of Agriculture. No objections were filed at the hearing on the petition which was held last week. The 1375 names on this petition shows that this is a popular project. The E.P. Laughlin herd of 80 pure bred shorthorns near Imogene was tested last week under the old plan as carried out by state and federal deparments cooperating. The herd passed a clean test. Last year three head in this herd reacted and were disposed of. Mr. Laughlin states that he will never purchase another animal unless it is subjected to test.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Achenbaugh - TO - Young Classification: Biography Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1532 Message Board Post: THE FREMONT COUNTY HERALD. September 18, 1924. "Large Primary Class".--The first grade of our public school has an increased enrollment. The total has swelled until we now have forty-five smiling five and six year old youngsters. Miss Bryan surely has her hands full. Some plan will be made in the immediate future to handle the extra number. Those who have started to school in the first grade are: 1. James Achenbaugh 2. Ralph Adams 3. Bobbie Birkby 4. Eula Blunk 5. Doris Brockett 6. Malcom Cannon 7. Dan Carter 8. Melvina Chantry 9. Jean Crawford 10. Evelyn Estes 11. Murl Fichter 12. Everett Foster 13. Everett R. Foster 14. Ralph Foster 15. Veda Goodin 16. Marian Gore 17. Maxine Gray 18. Russell Hatten 19. Edward Hardy 20. Leeman Jackson 21. Raymond Johnson 22. Everett Kearns 23. Edna McCluskey 24. Kenneth McDaniel 25. Lloyd Norman 26. Max Otte 27. Doris Pickens 28. Verland Pierson 29. John Proctor 30. Jean Pullman 31. Helen Racobs 32. Ruth Ryan 33. Freida Sears 34. Herald Shepherd 35. Wilmer Shepherd 36. Dick Shrum 37. Mary Switzer 38. George Taylor 39. George Taylor (another boy) 40. Madelyn Taylor 41. Louise Van Ness 42. Drucilla Webster 43. Marian Wood 44. Ray Wood 45.Fred Young

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Clayton, Grape, Lair, Green, Murdock, Dimmitt, Clayton, Laraway, Davey, Vyse Classification: Biography Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1531 Message Board Post: THE FREMONT COUNTY HERALD. May 2, 1918.--"Hamburg News".--(1).--Mrs. Stella Clayton and her sister, Mrs. Nora Grape, returned recently from a few days visit with Mrs. Clayton's son Frank at Camp Dodge. ....(2). Mrs. Ralph Lair is staying at the home of her mother, Mrs. Will Green, while convalescing from her recent operation at Omaha.....(3). Noah Murdock of Fort Leavenworth and Joe Dimmitt of Camp Dodge have been enjoying their furloughs here with home friends.....(4). Mrs. Viola Clayton of Excelsior Springs, Missouri, has been visiting her daughter, Mrs. Pearl Laraway and family.....(5).--Wellington Davey of Camp Dodge was home on a furlough visiting his parents and wife.....(6). Harry Vyse of Longmont, Colorado, arrived recently to attend the funeral of his mother.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Keyser, Rogers, Lumm, Haselwood, Parkison, White, Rawlings, King Classification: Biography Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1530 Message Board Post: THE FREMONT COUNTY HERALD. May 2, 1918. "Percival News".-- (1). Miss Louise Keyser did her bit last week acting as chauffeur for A.C. Rogers in conveying a car load of knights of the bag (?!) from our burg to Sidney for our liveryman. So excellent is she with cars no one ever fears with Louise at the wheel....(2). Frank Lumm and Mrs. T.E. Haselwood were called to Tabor Saturday and Sunday by the serious illness of their mother, Mrs. M.S. Lumm, at the home of their sister, Mrs. H. W. Parkison.....(3). Tom White and daughter of Corning, Missouri, and Mrs. Harry Rawlings of Omaha spent Sunday with their sister and aunt, Mrs. Joseph Rawlings.....(4).Albert King is now making his usual warm weather trips to Nebraska City, conveying his truck load of ice there as often as desired by his customers.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Belcher, Longman, Old Man Weather, Steel, Cleland, Messner Classification: Biography Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1529 Message Board Post: THE FREMONT COUNTY HERALD. May 2, 1918. "Riverton News".--(1). Tip Belcher, who has been sick, is convalescing, we are pleased to say. Tip is one of the original old-timers of Fremont county. He was captain and owner of the ferry boat that conveyed passengers and teams across the mighty deep--or, rather, the Nishna river--west of town before any bridge spanned this great body of water. He also was a great hunter and killed many deer on the grounds now occupied by the town of Riverton. So, whenever you notice an old man who almost constantly carries a rifle of ancient make on his shoulder you can feel assured you are gazing upon a man who could enlighten you on many old time stories of hardhips and dangers incident to long ago. Tip is an whole-souled old resident and is ready any time to divide his dinner with a hungry brother.....(2). Banker Longman is the only man in Riverton who is trying to destroy the dandelion by the wholesale route. He not only gathers them to feed him! self, but he also treats his chickens with them. It really is a splendid diet to make not only a sick person well, but it also has a peculiar knack of sometimes making a well person sick. We know whereof we speak, for we have tried it cooked, raw, parboiled, made into sauer kraut or gooseberry pie. It won't connect--we mean digest. (It is claimed that the dandelion was brought into this country by early immigrants as a green. This was before the time of lettuce.--W.F.)....(3). If it were not for the fact that we made our recent correspondence declare that summer was here for sure, we would state for the benefit of the skeptical that we had a real old fashioned snow on the 19th and 20th in Riverton. So it is really hard to say whether this is last winter or next.....(4). Old Mr. Steel, one of the few old veterans still left in Riverton, has moved into his own home, just vacated by Mr. Cleland....(5) F.D. Messner of Rippey, Iowa, has been secured as superintendent of the River! ton schools for the next year.....(6) Vic Cleland, one of our soldier boys, is still very sick with small hope of his recovery.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Daland, Mascher, Turnbull, Cox, Reid, Trullinger, Sawyer, Whisler, Wilcoxson, Burrows Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1528 Message Board Post: THE FREMONT COUNTY HERALD. May 2, 1918. "Farragut News".--(1). Mrs. Daland and son Fayette, who are speding several months in California, have been located at Hemet, one of the small towns which were badly damaged by an earthquake on April 21. Newspaper reports give the damage at Hemet as less severe than at other places, but several stores were destroyed and others badly damaged, while nearly every chimney and all windows in town were broke. Relatives and friends here of the Dalands are anxious to hear from them.....(2). John Mascher, an expert mechanic, who has been employed at the Turnbull Bros. garage for the past two years, has moved to Riverton, where he will have charge of a garage.....(3). Mr. and Mrs. Ed. Cox received a cablegram recently from their son Ralph stating he arrived safely in France. Ralph is in the ordnance department of the national army.....(4) A.I. Reid returned home April 19 from Hemingsford, Nebraska, where he had purchased 400 acres of land. Mr. R! eid and family are planning to move there soon.....(5). Mrs. H.B. Trullinger and daughter Pearl have been visiting at the home of another daughter, Mrs. Geo. Sawyer and family, in Valley, Nebraska.....(6) Miss Bertha Whisler returned home recently from ane xtended visit lwith her brother Ralph and family at Ganado, Texas.....(7). Guy Wilcoxson and family have been enjoying a visit from his mopther, Mrs. Geo. Burrows, of Creston.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Vyse, Sykes, Banner. Classification: Death Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1527 Message Board Post: THE FREMONT COUNTY HERALD. May 2, 1918. "Hamburg News".--Mrs. James Vyse died after a few hours of illness about noon April 16 of heart trouble. She has been in poor health for quite awhile, but had been able to be about and help with the work for some time until she took sick the previous night and never rallied. She was 78 years old and had lived in Hamburg for almost 50 years. She leaves a husband and five children--Guy of Washington; Harry of Colorado; and Claude; Mrs. Dr. Sykes and Mrs. Hazel Banner of this place. Funeral services were held at the home April 18.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1526 Message Board Post: DISTRICT OF NEW YORK – PORT OF NEW YORK I, C. L. Brandt, Master of the German S.S. Herder do solemnly, sincerely, and truly swear that the following List or Manifest, subscribed by me, and now delivered by me to the Collector of the Customs of the Collection District of New York, is a full and perfect list of all the passengers taken on board of the said Steamer Herder at Hamburg & Havre from which port said Hamburg via Havre has now arrived. (Signed) C. L. Brandt. Sworn to this 16 April 1879. 138 Christian Nook 47 male farmer Germany 139 Auguste Nook 33 female wife Germany 140 Gustav Nook 18 male children Germany 141 Wilhelm Nook 16 male children Germany 142 Hermann Nook 9 male children Germany 143 Robert Nook 9 male children Germany 144 Martha Nook 8 female children Germany

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Buckham, Burns, Means Classification: Biography Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1525 Message Board Post: During her retirement, Mabel Bridges (4/6/1891 - 4/189/1976), using a card file, gathered notes on the earliest of the pioneers in Fremont county. I'm copying the following from Mabel's notes: 1.--1849: Elected treasurer and collector at the first election in Fremont county.--1881 Hist. of Fremont county, page 372. 2.--1849: The bond of T. L. Buckham as treasurer and collector approved at the first meeting of the Fremont county Board of Commissioners, Sept. 10, 1849 ("Minutes"). 3.--1850: Federal Census for Fremont county: T.L. Buckham....33....b. Ky. Jane..................26.......Ind. Peter...................5......Iowa Mary....................4..... Iowa Charles Burns.......8......Iowa 4.--1851: Elected sheriff at the August election, 1851.--Lingenfelter, page 12. 5.--1852: Fremont county Census: "Franklin township". T.L. Buckham....3m....3f 6.--1853: Exempted from road poll tax, as not being able-bodied.--Greenwood Records, Dec. 20, 1853. 7.--1854: Fremont county Census: "Franklin township". Tilden L. Buckham...2m...3f...1 voter...no militia...no aliens 8.--1856: Iowa State Census, Fremont county, "Franklin township" Tilden L. Buckham....41....b. Ky....14 yrs in state Jane.........................34.......Ind....14 Peter R.....................11.......Iowa..11 Adaline.......................3.......Iowa.. 3 Nancy.........................0.......Iowa...0 William Means............22......Ind......1

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Babcock, Jenkins, Worcester, Moore, Crane Classification: Biography Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1524 Message Board Post: Don: Your ancestor, Azoriah Babcock, was working at the Jenkins mill, one half mile south of Knox, Iowa, on Cooper's Creek. If you have a census for 1860 Fremont county, you will find Thomas Jenkins, 60, miller, as well as the Bobbitt and Hume families living in the same area. These were well known Knox area pioneers.....For forty years, one of my neighbors was a descendant of the proprietor of Jenkins Mill, Thomas Jenkins. I haven't the slightest idea as to why the Jenkin's Mill does not show up on the 1860 Iowa Industry Census for Fremont county. I couldn't believe my notes on this, so I back tracked on my research to see if my youthful enthusiasm 40 years ago had caused me to overlook it, but, NO LUCK--it just isn't there. But, I have some references on it which pretty well establishes its existence, so I will copy them. 1. NEBRASKA CITY NEWS. Dec. 22, 1866. (Clipped from the "American Union" Sidney, Iowa): "Last week, in company with several of our citizens we took a trip to the Missouri River Bottom. We took the road that passes by Jenkin's Mill. The road is a gradual descent from Sidney to the Bottom, a distance of three miles and a half.....Jenkins Mill has undergone thorough repairs, and is now in good running order, and doing a fine business, turning out a first rate article of Flour..." 2. THE FREMONT COUNTY HERALD. January 4, 1917. "...Rev. L.B. Worcester is a son of the late Rev. Daivd Worcester, who first came to Fremont county in 1843, when he taught a term of school at McKissick's Grove. In the early '50's he located in Sidney and ran a carding mill on the ground now occupied by the Stich building, where the Herald office was formerly located, and later ran a water mill near Knox and ground corn for the early settlers. He was a cousin of the author of Worcester's dictionary." 3. Source = ?, but dated Dec. 25, 1908.--Mrs. Elwood Moore of Salem, N.C., lived near Knox 35 years ago; her husband was an engineer at the Jenkins Mill that stood about a quarter of a mile south of Knox. 4. THE FREMONT COUNTY HERALD. Dec. 30, 1915. "THE OLD GRIST MILL".--Recently while passing over the road just south of Knox we were reminded there once stood a grist mill of the old fashioned type where many people of Fremont county would assemble to get a sucpply of choice flour or lmea. The process of manufacture was widely different then from now, as the stone burr and water power has been replaced by steel rollers driven by steam or electric power. This mill was known as the Jenkins mill, but for a period of time S.R. crane, now residing at Hamburg, owned an interest in the enterprise and gave it his personal supervision. Forty years have wrought many changes in the vicinity of Knox, and but few of that day remain to discuss the good old times when the flaky biscuit of the nutritious corn pone, products of the Jenkins mill, and baked by the fireplace, were heaped upon the festal board to appease the sharp appetite of the pioneers.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Means, Swiggart, Hooper, Lingle, Barrett, Fullerton, Swatman Classification: Biography Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1523 Message Board Post: Margaret: I don't have very much on Alpheus Means, but maybe this can help you some: ALPHEUS ALEXANDER MEANS, b. May 1865; married MATTIE HOOPER, b. Nov. 1872; married about 1888. In the 1900 census, she said she had been married for 12 years, and that six of her seven children were living. The family lived in Washington township, Fremont county, Iowa. She was the daughter of John J. and Mary E. (Swiggart) Hooper. In 1942, they were living at 105 South 17th Street, Council Bluffs, Iowa. CHILDREN: (As far as known) 1. Howard D. Jessie, born April 3, 1890 near Hamburg. In 1942 was living at Bellevue, Nebraska. 2. Ethel, b. April 1892; married ________ Lingle. 3. Wilber William, born Feb. 21, 1894 in Washington township. Mrs. Martha Barrett of Riverton was the mid-wife at his birth. 4. Myrtle Margaret, born Oct. 22, 1896 in Washington township. 5. Rose Ellen, born Sept. 14, 1897; married _______ Fullerton on Aug. 15, 1939 in Skamania county, Washington. In 1958, was living in Portland, Oregon. 6. Clara K., born Oct. 21, 1899 in Washington township. Mrs. Minerva Swatman was mid-wife at her birth. 7. David Franklin, born August 22, 1901 in Washington township.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Levi, Leroy, Aaron, Samuel and John Bartholomew Classification: Deed Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1522 Message Board Post: Karen: Those pioneers desiring to buy land from the United States government were first served by a Federal Land Office located in eastern Iowa at Fairfield. Unfortunately, the statement that the first such office was in Missouri has been repeated and repeated 'ad nauseam' until it has been accepted as the truth--BUT--it was not. I spent time in the National Archives in Washington, D.C., looking for such records, only to discover that the land office there had drawn a line "by projection" westward from the old northwest corner of Missouri (one hundred miles north of the mouth of the Kansas River) to the Missouri river and had come to the belief that the northern line of the Platte Purchase had been drawn about two townships too far north. AND the government surveyors by 1845 had surveyed the 'townships north' far enough northward so that they had almost reached the one-hundred-mile-corner by the time the south line of Township 67 North was reached. Missouri was claiming up to the north line of Township 68 North! From that time, on, the government refused to accept entries for land that might in the future fall into the State of Iowa. NO. There are no land records for Fremont county in Missouri records. The Fairfield Land Office began accepting entries from Fremont county in 1849. This continued until 1853 when the Kanesville Land Office opened for business in March at present Council Bluffs, Iowa. At that time, Kanesville, named after a friend of the Mormons, accepted "Declaratory Satements" from settlers who were "squatting" on government land, but who wanted to buy that piece of land at sometime in the future. This had been provided for by the Pre-Emption Act of Sept. 4, 1841. Such situations were usually referred to as "staking a claim". Before the Land Office could allow the purchase of any land, the office had to have the location OF THAT LAND shown on a map which had been drawn from the government surveys which were being done at the same time. The official deciding when all of this could take place was the "registrar" of the land office. In Kanesville, "Declaratory Statements" showing intentions of buying government land, were all given numbers, which continued from where the Fairfield Land Office left off. One of your Bartholomew's--John--had an interesting situation arise: John D. Woodward on March 24, 1853 entered Declaratory Statement No. 688 for the southeast quarter of section 35 township 69 range 42. On April 28, 1853, your John appeared at the Land Office and entered a Declaratory Statement for the same land! The Land Office must have been on the ball, for they told your John about the conflict of entries. When John Bartholomew made a "Cash Entry" for this land on May 25, 1853, he brought along with him to the Land Office Aaron Bartholomew who made a DECLARATION saying that the John Woodward who had made Declaratory Statement No. 688 had told him, the witness, that he "did not intend to prove up and enter said land and about the tenth day of this month (May) started for California"....Well, your John Bartholomew was permitted to make a "Cash Entry", given Certificate of Entry, No. 131, for the southeast quarter of section 25 township 69 range 42. There were other Bartholomew's at the Land Office at the very same time. Samuel Bartholomew made a Cash Entry, No. 129, on May 25, 1853, as did Aaron Bartholomew with Cash Entry No. 128. (Although the numbering for Declaratory Statements at Kanesville continued from where Fairfield had left off, the numbering for Cash Entries was started anew, from #1.) Samuel Bartholomew bought the west fractional half of the northwest quarter of section 30 township 69 range 41, and, the east half of the northeast quarter of section 25 township 69 range 41. This totalled out to be 166.97 acres, but I don't know why the one was a fractional half. Aaron Bartholomew bought the southeast quarter of section 35 township 69 range 42. He had filed his declaratory statement on April 20, 1853. (One Leroy Bartholomew made a declaratory statement on April 21, 1853, No. 820, for the southeast quarter of section 14 township 68 range 42, but if he ever bought it, I must have failed to find his Cash Entry.) Levi Bartholomew made a Cash Entry #3797, on October 7, 1854 for the north half of the southeast quarter of section 11 township 67 range 43.

In a message dated 5/17/2002 11:37:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, farwellwalter@hotmail.com writes: > Patty: WHY, sakes alive, Patty, Plum Hollow is at the base of Grasshopper > Hill, but they are separated by Plum Creek! After that name, Plum Hollow > was called Fremont City...I hope I've been of some help.--Walter > Would this be the same as Camp Creek, Ross Township, Fremont Co. Iowa ? Dave.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ok.2ADE/1521.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Seriously, Plum Hollow is the name by which Thurman was known first.--Walter