This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ro_fleury Surnames: Fleury, Flourie, Flourey Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/1750.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My great-grandfather is John Fleury (Flourey/Fleurie)! I just visited Hamburg, IA and, of course, did NOT find any remains of the cemetery... no one even knew about it! I would like to know where I might find additional information - There is supposed to be a published volume entitled "Thumbprints" that tells more about the history of this area and includes information regarding the Hamburg Catholic Church... maybe there is a list of the members that would include John & Margaret (Maggie) and the children! Does anyone know where I can obtain this book? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: farwellwalter Surnames: Sobotka, Hoecken Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/2543.6/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks to Margie Sobotka's "The Tepee and the Church", I have discovered a mistake in my time line for Hoecken's missionary trip to The Council Bluffs in the fall of 1843. Instead of being at the northern end of The Council Bluffs country on Oct. 6, 1843, this baptismal reunion was on Sept. 10, 1843 (nor was it in October). Based on this corrected date, Hoecken would have been baptizing every day from Sept. 10 through Sept. 15. His schedule DOES NOT ALLOW any time in a time line for traveling from Pottawattommie county down to Fremont county. Instead, Hoecken must have started at Bartlett at Alcott's 'place of public accommodation'. See the posting "Father Hoecken missionary trip..." dated 28 April 2009. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: topoohstwo Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/7408.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Walter - Thanks again for this wonderful information. No, I was not aware of "The St. Mary Registers." I have some of their stuff, but not this. Julie was named after her Aunt Julie Webster, who was English and married Charles C.'s Brother in Quebec. Charles was quite fond of her and she in turn taught him to speak English. This proved invaluable at the Bluffs as he was used by the Agents to interpret English and French. Some of this involved mischief on the part of the other French/Canadians. At least one threatened to kill Charles. One agent said, "I have learned not to employ French-Canadians if it can be avoided." Julie was born Nov1842 after the Bluffs register was closed. I found Charles' ancestry from interpreting his signature between Bluffs' records and Quebec parish registers where he was a witness at the baptisms of his Brother's children. His brother was a voyageur according to the parish register, and this no doubt led to Charles being at the Bluffs. However, I have no record of the Brother's voyaging adventures. Julie became Julia in KS and OK. Jim Goodin Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: farwellwalter Surnames: Hoecken, Chapdelaine, Derocher, Mann, Wilmet Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/7408.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jim: Perhaps you do not have the baptismal record of your great grandmother Julie Chapdelain found in the St. Mary's Registers. The registers collectively called "The St. Mary Registers" are referred to in that way because of the place where they were kept in Kansas. The following entry regarding Julie Chapdelain comes from a register specifically called the "Sugar Creek Register", in which Hoecken had entered his baptisms after returning to Kansas from his missionary trip in 1843: I. Columns on the left hand side of the register: TEMPUS (date when person was baptized): Sept. 10, 1843 NOMEN BAPTISATI (name of the person being baptized): Julie NOMEN PARENTUM (name of the parents of the person being baptized): P. Ch. op halaine M. Mann NOMEN PATRINOMEN (name of the sponsors at the baptism): P.Mayloir Derosher M. Jos. Wilmet II. Columns on the right hand side of the register: NOMEN LOCI IN QUO BAPTISATI FUERUNT (name of the place where the baptism took place): Council Bluffs RATIONES OP QUIS CEREMONIE OMISSA (reason for omitting the ceremony): Solemnitis (solemized) TEMPUS QUANO SUPPLETO FUERUNT (time when the supplication was made): (I cannot decide what this indicates: there are ditto marks from above, but the priest on that line wasn't Hoecken!? Nor can I tell what reserve that priest was on when the entry was made. Most definitely it WAS NOT The Council Bluffs.--W.F.) ATAS BAPTISATI (age of the person being baptized): 1 annnum (one year). THIS LINE OF ENTRIES ACROSS THE TWO PAGES IS SIGNED BY "C.T. Hoecken S.J." Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: topoohstwo Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/7408.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Walter - Charles Chapdelaine and Archange Mann were both alive at that time. They had my Greatgrandmother Julie Anne in Nov1842 and later a Charles. Archange should have been at the baptism, which I assume was Julie. Archange survives to Kansas taking the three Anderson children, Julie, Charles, and her Brother Peter Mann. Archange and the young Charles Chapdelaine die in Kansas at an unknown time and place. They do not appear in the 1863 Kansas allotments. Elder Charles dies at the Bluffs probably of malaria which was raging at that time. He is probably buried at the Buckham cemetery. Pierre Harnois (Peter Harness) gets involved in his estate in Atchinson Co., MO which I know because you told me so. I am currently researching the Pierre Bourbonnais/Sarah Holcomb escapade. This is one wild and almost unbelievable story. Part of what the story goes is a lie and part is correct. Figuring out which is which is the problem. - Jim Goodin Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: farwellwalter Surnames: Hoecken, Alcott, Greenwood, Batchika, Murphy Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/7408/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hoecken made five missionary trips to The Council Bluffs from April 1842 through May - June 1846. This post concerns only the third one, made in September - October 1843. The NEW HAVEN(whose destination was the "Yellowstone") and the PRAIRIE BIRD (whose destination was "Upper Missouri") are known to have passed along the banks of the Missouri in Fremont county about this time. Too, it is known that the annuities for the Pottawatomies were brought to The Council Bluffs aboard a steamboat during the fall of 1843. Regardless of which boat Hoecken took passage on, it appears that he landed at the steamboat landing southwest of present Bartlett,Iowa. This we know because he undoubtedly started his baptizing at the Alcott place north of Bartlett. September 10, 1843: FIRST DAY OF BAPTISMS; Hoecken's baptismal records for September 10, 1843 reveal that his baptisms took place during a "family reunion" which the St. Mary Registers show was a routine practice amongst mixed blood Potawatomie living in the Half Breed Farm neighborhood. The following is a list of parents whose children were presented for baptism at Alcott's: CHARLES CHAP de LAIN and his wife _____ Mann. (Maylor Derocher and Josette Wilmet were sponsors....N.B.: Was the mother absent?-- W.F.)) J.P. DEROCHER and wife Josette Wilmet.(Pierre Harnois and Sophie Wilmet were sponsors.) MAYLOR DEROCHER and wife Marie Anna Mehitamgakwe. (Charles Chapdelaine and S. Holcomb were sponsors.) PETER HARNOIS and wife Sally Holcomb. (J. B. Deroscher and Mary Ann Mekitamigokwe were sponsors.) JOSEPH LaFROMBOIS and wife Lucinda. ("Iaco" was sponsor. -- I think this was a person from the Vieux family.--W.F.) PASCAL MILLER and wife Theresa Mamanski.("Iaco" was sponsor.....Pascal Miller is known to have been a member of Waubonsie's band of Indians.) GEORGE MULLINS and his 'sauvagasse'. ("Iaco" was sponsor.) THOMAS WATKINS and wife Therese LaFrombois. ("Iaco" was sponsor.) PARENTS OF THOSE BAPTIZED on September 11,12,13,14, 1843: Sept. 11, 1843: (1) de la Motte and a 'sauvagasse'. (2) Francis Ponsee and a 'sauvagasse'. Sept. 12, 1843: (1) Petra and deceased wife. (2) Edward Loise and Marie. (3) Michael Robidoux and 'sauvagasse". Sept. 13, 1843: (1) Antoine Bruno and a 'sauvagasse'. (2) Alexis Peltier and Josette la French. Sept. 14, 1843: (1) Sidney Smith and Zoe Tremble. (2) Caleb Greenwood and a 'sauvagasse". (3) Attent and Achkum. N.B.: For every baptism on September 11 - 14, J. B. Deroscher and wife Mary Ann Mehitamgokwe acted as sponsors! On September 15, Hoecken was at Fleury's who lived at The Narrows, and again the Derochers were sponsors. In fact, they were Hoecken's traveling companions for his entire return trip down to Kansas. The routine of having a reunion at baptisms was practiced only on September 10; after that date, Hoecken appears to have been going from house to house. This suggests a different custom was in use in the homes of those visited the remaining time of his work -- and why I think these remaining inhabitants of this part of the Half Breed Farms DID NOT SHARE in that routine. Alcott lived just north of Bartlett, so did the other group live around present day Thurman? (I'm betting that those wives 'widowed' by the Mormon Battalion lived at Thurman in the cabins of this group.) Regarding Caleb Greenwood: Kelly and Morgan in their biography of Old Greenwood, page 101, say that they did not know the circumstances of his joining the 1844 Stephens - Townsend - Murphy wagon to California. WELL, since we know that the Murphys lived at Irish Grove, just down the road from The Narrows; and since we know that Hoecken was a strong influence on the Murphy's decision to go to California; and since we know that Hoecken was at Caleb Greenwood's on the 14th of September 1843, we can use presuppositional reasoning to tell ourselves the rest of the story. The records of this wagon train affords us a clue as to the origin of the mother of Caleb's children who were baptized by Hoecken. Caleb told the train that he could act as their guide only to the Rocky Mountains. "Beyond the Rocky Mountains Caleb did not pretend to know anything" (page 102 of the biography). . Batchika, Caleb's wife, must have been from a tribe who lived east of those mountains. -- W.F. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dwightfinckbone Surnames: Hampton, Pryor, Finckbone Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/2489.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Barbara Hampton (b.1878) dau. of J.A. Hampton and Naomi Pryor is one the sisters of my grandmother, Mary Nina Hampton (born @ Farragut, Ia. 9/26/1887), wife of Willie Walter Finckbone. The other children of Hampton/Pryor are; Millie (b.1870), John R. (b.1871), Frank (b.1874), Martin (b.1875), Estelle (b. 1877), Alda (b.1883 -- I knew him -- my father was named after him), Goldie (b.1885 -- I knew her). I am looking to share info. dwightfinckbone@netscape.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: farwellwalter Surnames: Gemecker, Greenwood Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/7407/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is at least one source that states that Caleb Greenwood, guide for the Stephens-Townsend-Murphy wagon train to California in 1844, took James Case Greenwood, a son born in the Half Breed Farms neighborhood (near what is now Thurman) in 1841, with him on this wagon train. THIS I CANNOT BELIEVE: 1. It seems incompatible that a guide for a wagon train would try to take a 3-year old boy with him while he -- the father -- was acting as a guide. 2. The diarist for the trip names the men, women and children who were part of this 1844 wagon train. HE NAMES ONLY THE TWO OLDEST SONS OF CALEB as having been along. 3. The County Court Records of Atchison county, Missouri, say that Andrew Gemecker was keeping the children of Caleb Greenwood in 1846. 4. The maternal aunt of 3-year old James Case Greenwood says she was staying with Rufus Hitchcock (who lived south of what is now Sidney) during the 1840's. 5. In 1845, Caleb Greenwood is known to have been a member of a military force in California. (This doesn't suggest that a small boy was depending upon him.) Just how much faith should one put on the memory of a person who years later "remembers" what happened when he was three or four years old? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

A wonderful Gravestone Photo Project contributor has submitted 74 new gravestone photos! All are for burials in Grandview Cemetery and all are for those who have served in the military during various wars. You can check out all of the Fremont County GPP at http://iowagravestones.org/index.php?search=index&cid=36 . Constance

For those of you who tried to use the FreeFind search engine yesterday without success, it is again working on Fremont County IAGenWeb According to FreeFind: "Yesterday there was a major series of fiber-cuts in AT&T's Silicon Valley network. These ten cuts affected search services throughout the day. Search service was restored late yesterday. The fiber-cuts appear to have been malicious. AT&T is now offering a $100,000 reward." Constance Diamond Asst. Co-Coordinator http://iagenweb.com/fremont/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: apsaroke Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/3088.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Walter, you are correct. The mother of Rufus Burrows was Nancy P. Rice. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: apsaroke Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/1713.1.3.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes, it does seem odd, but there are others from Germany in that area as well. I suspect they heard there was land to be had and decided to go for it. I'd expect they came with others that might have been in the area and probably took people in to make a bit of money on the side. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: apsaroke Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/1713.1.3.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: We think alike. I also thought of Young Colt, and then thought of a mountain man named Colter, i.e., Young Colter, but the one in that area died too early to be the father. It wouldn't surprise me, however, if Young Colt could have been the Indian name of the mother. Crows tend to follow their mother's lines in some respects. The James in the 1856 Census can't be James Case Greenwood. I have James Case Greenwood's own statement that he was in Coloma in 1849 where he'd come in 1848 with his father and family. He was also present at his father's death in about 1850 and migrated to the coast in about 1852/3 with three of his brothers. I think it's more likely yours was somehow related to your great great grandfather. The Crow elders knew well of Caleb. In the 1950s they said that Britton Bailey Greenwood was a son of a Greenwood in the Lewis and Clark party and a sister of their Chief Spotted Horse #1. Caleb may or may not have been with Lewis and Clark, but he was there a few years later, no later than 1810, and he was friends with the Crows. There is a photo of a Chief Spotted Horse of the Crows I've seen, but that one wasn't born until about 1850. There are also references to an earlier one that may have been killed in a battle with the Sioux in 1853. I suspect this might be the reason to number these guys. I think you're likely correct on Batchicka. I don't think the Greenwoods were anywhere near St. Louis, and I too believe there's no way they'd have hauled her there for burial. My great great grandmother was baptized in your area in 1840, and she said she'd lived with her sister until her sister died. Her sister Batchicka was supposedly also buried "by Catholic rites," so perhaps I'll find something when I search those St. Mary's records. The date would have to be sometime in late 1843 when he had a 6 month old with no mother, and no later than 1844 when he left and Batchicka was a year dead. I don't think he returned for several years after that, and then he left there for California for the final time in 1848. There'd have been four kids, three of his plus his sister-in-law my gggrandmother. If you do run across it and post it I'll appreciate that. Thanks much. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: farwellwalter Surnames: Youngcault, Greenwood Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/1713.1.3.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: With no particular source, except pronunciation of the French "au", I have always thought 'Youngcault' was a Frenchman's attempt to record the Indian name from a "young colt". Standard pronunciation was just coming into being, so many words were still being spelled as they sounded to an Englishman's ears. (Is this called transliteration?) I think the James Greenwood who stayed with my great great grandfather Judge Thomas Greenwood was James Case Greenwood, born in The Half Breed Farm neighborhood about 1841 and shown in the St. Joseph Mission baptismal records. My notes say he was just a young boy at the time. I think one would be in error if they held the unconscious idea that everyone called a certain group of Indians by the same name. I seem to think that those baptismal records have Caleb saying the mother of those children was of the "pied noir" tribe (and that would have been a contemporary reference; or, was she one of those wives described as a 'sauvagasse'?). In any case, the French DID NOT MEAN that those they called "sauvagasse" were wild and untamed Indians! You will find other mountain men who had their children baptized at the same time. "Wild, untamed, uncivilized by any standard", was a twist on the general meaning of the French by Englishmen -- all of whom were very biased in their understanding of the French. To the French it simply meant that the person was born on the western prairies. Where was it the Father DeSmet went later one to spend time amongst less civilized Indians? WHERE WAS BATCHIKA BURIED?-- I think she was buried around present Thurman, Iowa. My mother was born on Judge Greenwood's farm, and said farmers in the area were known to have found "Indian" graves on their land. And there would have been the problem of transporting her to St. Louis at such an early date. WHAT WAS THE DATE FOR THE GEMECKER CARING FOR THE GREENWOODS?-- I haven't the slightest idea as to where my notes would be - or if I still have them. If I wander across them, I hope to remember to enter that information of Rootsweb. Since I am the oldest living member of my mother's family, I don't have anyone else to ask! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: farwellwalter Surnames: Gemecker Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/1713.1.3.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I know nothing about the Gemecker family. I do remember wondering why a childless couple would choose to travel to the Missouri River Country at such an early date to live, though. I have never discovered their connection with any others, family-wise. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: apsaroke Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/1713.1.3.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I found the Gemeckers in 1850 with a couple of kids that clearly aren't their own. And, they look to have been German immigrants. I wonder if these folks made a living out of taking care of kids while parents were away? Do you recall off hand wehther the court record for Caleb's deal might have suggested such a thing? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: apsaroke Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/1713.1.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks, Walter. I shall have to track down that record. I found Thomas and Eliza in the 1856 Census with a bunch of their kids. It's on two non-contiguous pages, and there is a 30-year old (born abt. 1826) James Greenwood listed at the end, born in Iowa, zero years in this state, a blacksmith, with the militia box checked. He's gone by 1860. I assume this might be the "boy" you are referencing, but it doesn't look like a fit with James, son of Caleb, that was born in abt. 1841. James was in Coloma, CA in 1849 when he noted my great grandmother left his father's house to be married, he was present when Caleb died in the same area in 1850, and he's also referenced as one of the four Greenwood brothers that settled on the coast in CA. There is also a "legend" out here of a eldest son of Caleb named Joseph that might have remained out your way. ***Do you recall the name of this boy and if there is some record that would say he was left there by Caleb? I am sure you are correct that Caleb did not let the grass grow under his feet, and I would not be surprised in the least if he had other women, but I would be surprised if he left any behind without the rest of his clan knowing anything about them. He seems to have taken great care to gather up his kids along the way. The story in our family of my great great grandmother's parents being killed by Indians might fit with what you say about outsiders. I think I'm clear on the two St. Mary's references. My problem was that I found St. Mary's records related to St. Louis, and you've clarified that what I should have been after was St. Mary's in Kansas. I imagine Mr. Harvey must have been one of those Harveys. Too bad Hoecken didn't list the first name. It would not surprise me either to find that there was some relation between your PA Greenwoods and Caleb, but I think the evidence is pretty strong that he was from VA, and he was born closer to 1782 rather than the 1763 that has been attributed to him due to his habit of telling tall tales. At some point the VA Greenwoods were in Illinois (Madison County I think), and one of Caleb's fur trapping pals named Larrison married Caleb's sister there. The Ebermans were also in that county at about the same time. These Greenwoods in IL eventually largely moved on to TX, and the ones there knew of a relationship to Caleb. Caleb was also apparently a family name in this VA-TN-AR-IL-TX branch. I think Caleb had an uncle with that name and/or his grandfather had the name. One or the other shows up in TN and/or AR and I believe has sometimes been confused for the one I'm connected to. Caleb's children also always noted his birthplace as VA/TN in census records. John Greenwood is another interesting character. As you know, he was in the California battalion serving under a Grigsby that the Greenwoods had helped guide to California, and he returned to your area in 1847. There he married Sarah Eberman accompanied this wife and the family back to CA in 1848 and in Apr 1849 was in Coloma, CA after perhaps a short detour to Sonoma. In Dec 1850, after his father had died, he was in Marin County with his wife, and in Mar 1852 they had a child there. I believe this child died very young, as Sarah left him in August 1852 and moved to Mendocino. In 1854 she moved to Oregon where she divorced him in 1856 saying also that she'd heard he was killed in a drunken row in 1853. I don't doubt that he might have been, but it wasn't in 1853. She must have hated him by then, as her description of the marriage is colorful, and in later years she did not even mention his name when describing another incident in which he was a prime actor. As you k! now, he was alive and well in 1861 when he was claiming his pension in San Bernardino County, CA, and after that the trail runs cold. Nobody knows what became of him. I don't suppose he returned to your area, and I doubt at that time he'd have left the west again, but who knows? Some of Caleb's kids died in poor shape. Britton died impoverished after having most of his kids die beforehand, some in tragic ways. William was murdered in 1875. Boggs was hung in 1864. James killed himself in 1908 after having four of his five kids die beforehand and marital troubles. In the end there is no male Greenwood out this way that descends from them. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: farwellwalter Surnames: Greenwood, Eberman, Hoecken, Musser, Brubaker, Todd Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/1713.1.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes, the Atchison Court Records for that county contain an entry which states that Caleb Greenwood left his children with the Gemeckers. This family can be found in the 1850 Federal Census for that county.......Also, my great grandfather, Judge Thomas Greenwood kept one of Caleb's children and this can be found in the 1856 census of Fremont county. I have no identification for this boy's mother. This boy probably went to California with John Greenwood who was in Fremont county 1857 - 1858 where the Eberman's lived, before returing to California. We need to remember that outsiders could stay in Indian country but a short time before they were expected to marry into the tribe in whose territory that person was staying..... It is my belief that a person such as Caleb didn't stay long in any one place! so, there could easily be more wives for Caleb Greenwood.....It's hard to reconcile that Caleb Greenwood would have been allowed to have wives from another tribe while he is known to have been living in Sioux Indian Country. I have often wondered if the Black Foot Indians referred to in the St. Mary's records could be that branch of the Sioux's who at times were called "Blackfoots"? After all, Fort Union and Fort Clark were in Sioux Indian country! (By the way, this is the locale for the missionary activities of Hoecken just before he closed St. Joseph's Mission at The Council Bluffs in 1841. Hoecken simply stopped off on his journey down the Missouri river from the Dakotas.) HAVE I ALWAYS DISTINGUISED BETWEEN St.Marys in Kansas AND St. Joseph's Mission at The Council Bluffs? IF I HAVE NOT, I'll not be able to edit out those mistakes, so please be sure that you do. There were Harvey's who held high positions in the Missouri River Country with the Indian department. There is an enigma with my Greenwood's of Fremont county: Judge Greenwood's ancestors were members of the Paxtang Presbyterian Church from which the famous Paxtang Boys of Pennsylvania originated. (The remainder of that episode is easy to find, so spare an account here.) This fits perfectly with the story surrounding Caleb's family. Too, Judge Thomas Greenwood later married into that Pennsylvania Dutch family which held parts of the Conestoga Manor where that revenge took place. (Let it be known that there were no more scalpings in Judge Greenwoods family after this incident! Does that say something about how innocent the Connestoga Indians were?) As a result the Judge and his family finally, eventually, moved to southwestern Iowa before Iowa ever became a state, and never had contact with her Musser-Brubaker relatives afterwards that I know of. The Brubakers of Berlin have told me they did not know where she went to live. Too, the Rev. John Todd of Tabor had ancestors in! volved at Conestoga, and he also moved to Fremont county at an early date. The Judge and Rev. Todd are known to have been friends for the rest of their lives. To add to this enigma, some of my Greenwoods lived in Clearfield county, PA. where other mountain men are said to have come from. There is a obliterated space in the old Greenwood family bible for the date when Caleb was supposed to have been born, but the name is completely illegible. But Caleb's genealogists say he belonged to a Virginia family! ..... I have my doubts. When John Greenwood came back to Fremont county for the last time, visiting the Eberman's, Judge Greenwood was living near Thurman where Caleb Greenwood must have lived! (There seems to be so much circumstantial evidence that it is foolishness to ignore it.) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: apsaroke Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iowa.counties.fremont/3088.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you very much, Walter. I have the Rufus Burrows diary and have just examined it again. He mentions his stepfather Rufus Hitchcock and several uncles named Rice. He also mentions his mother, but does not give her first name. However, I am sure you are correct and will dig into that. Thanks to your many postings on the web I think I have finally resolved some puzzles that I did not expect ever to be resolved. You are an incredible source of historical information, and I think anyone on these boards should be grateful for your participation. I certainly am. I may have posted some of this before, but in the past week I have found the 1840 baptismal records for my great great grandmother and two of her Greenwood nephews. She was the sister of Caleb's wife (which is how she is described), but much younger, and they were of the Crow tribe. Caleb noted this himself, as did my great great grandmother, and the Crow tribal elders confirmed this independently as well in the 1950s, so I guess the priest erred in noting Gros Ventre. I imagine there were others there connected to the Gros Ventre tribe and he might just have assumed the same. My great great grandmother noted that she was born in about 1832 (near Fort Union) and lived with her sister (Batchicka Youngcault) until this sister died, then she lived with Mrs. Nancy Hitchcox (sic) (who I would bet is this Nancy Hitchcock) until she came west in 1848 with her brother-in-law Caleb Greenwood and family. James Case Greenwood (a son of Caleb born abt. 1841 stated that she had lived with the Greenwood family from infancy. (The story we were told in the family is that her parents and possibly a brother were killed by Indians, presumably not of the Crow tribe.) Sarah Frances Eberman that married John Greenwood in 1847 in Atchison County stated that she and my great great grandmother were little girls together. In fact, Sarah came west with Greenwood in 1848 as well, and she was the maid of honor for my great great grandmother's marriage in Coloma, CA in the spring of 1849. Three things that I am struggling with are: 1. you made note in a post that you thought that Caleb left his kids with Andrew Gemecker in 1846, but you weren't sure at the time and were going to check some notes. This would seem to contradict the documents I have. 2. you mentioned (I think in the same post) that you thought Batchika Youngcault Greenwood (died 1843) might be buried at "The Narrows." I take it this is some place where people of mixed blood such as her were typically placed and there is no cemetery per se? 3. the name Youngcault (sometimes I've seen Youngcau) must come from the father of these two women. I know that he was French, and my great great grandmother believed he was born in Canada, but this name does not exist in any records anywhere else in the world, including Canada and France. I imagine it must be a garble form of some French name. Thanks again, and I hope that you might be kind enough to clarify at least the first two points here. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.