Would any one know if Stephen Scott would be a descendant of Obediah? HE LIVES, HE LIVES, CHRIST JESUS LIVES TODAY! the Cousincollector --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Nancee Seifert <iggy29@grm.net> wrote: From: Nancee Seifert <iggy29@grm.net> Subject: [IADECATU] CEMETERY 'GYPSY' AGAIN... To: IADECATU@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 12:26 PM Yesterday, after it stopped raining here in Murray, I decided to do some more cemetery hunting in Decatur County, Iowa.  I headed for Johnson Cemetery in Franklin Township, with my home made map and a little Google help.  I looked for the location of the Lewis Cemetery which is an abandoned one on the road to Johnson Cemetery -- but didn't find anything.  There is no sign for the Johnson Cemetery, just an iron gate.  It is in sad condition; oh it has a fence around it, however, many of the stones are broken and the lichen has covered many of them. So, I scraped, chalked and picked up the headstones and took pictures of all that I could find. There are so many children who died - some 3 & 4 to a family.. I cannot imagine in my heart how a mother could endure that.  There are three CARRITHERS' children who died within days of one another, assuming a sickness was the cause; Their mother lived 42 years after their deaths.  IRA JANE (CHENOWETH) SCOTT and JOHN SCOTT have a very nice headstone. I am related through my step-grandmother, ETHEL (POND) BAKER/MCMURTREY.  IRA JANE s parents were JANE N. BLACKBURN and IRA S. CHENOWETH.  JANE married ELI POND after IRA's death.  JOHN SCOTT's parents were STEPHEN SCOTT  and SARAH (KERNS) SCOTT.   Four of IRA JANE & JOHN SCOTT's children are also buried in Johnson Cemetery. I reiterate when I say that the cemetery listings that Lois Slade compiled, are such a wonderful resource when trying to find the correct information on these old, deteriorated and broken stones.  I am grateful for all her work. I did disturb an opossum that was waddling across the cemetery and saw a deer with just its head sticking out of the tall grass, but feel blessed to get to see these old cemeteries and to be able to put the pictures of the headstones on the Gravestone Photo Site for preservation. So I headed back to J20 and went on East -- using my home made map -- to find Trullinger Cemetery which is in Garden Grove Township.  I turned south on Jonathan Creek Rd. hoping it was R58 as my map said.  The gravel roads were in very good condition for all the rain that they've had there.  I passed McAllister/McCullough Cemetery entrance on my way, and decided to stop there on my way back.  So, I headed on to Trullinger.  I remembered reading on the Decatur Cemetery listings that there was a long gravel lane going up to it, as it's not visible from the road.. I took a chance and parked my car at the bottom and walked up the hill and there was the cemetery.  The entrance is quite unique, as someone has chain saw carved the name "Trullinger" in a tree trunk.   It is quite well kept.  So, after chalking and taking pics of the stones, I walked back down to my car.. Some of the gravel road had washed out..  I purposed to stop at McAllister/McCullough Cemetery on my way back.  Janet Jelsma had told me that you have to go thru a farmer's cornfield to get to it.. Well, the gate was open and I was curious... The sign by the road says McCullough" Cemetery. So I decided to walk back, even though I could see that the field/lane was muddy in places where there was no grass.  Not to be deterred, I headed on, and part way in, the mud kept sucking my shoes off - so you can imagine what my socks, etc. looked like.. Oh well I made the half mile trek anyway.  The cemetery entrance has a sign, "McAllister" that is chain saw carved from a tree next to the steel gate.   So, I chalked and took pictures.  It is such a privilege to get to see these old pioneer cemeteries - no matter what it takes to get to them... smiles. I encourage everybody to take a look at all the cemetery photos that I post to the Gravestone Photo Site (and Stacey Dietiker approves).  Many of them are becoming remnants of what once was  a place of rest and repose of those early residents and their loved ones.  My Regards, Nancee www.iagenweb.org/decatur ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am having more fun than you can imagine with this gravestone site.  I have found  numerous tidbits to add to my 'tree'.  And that is only with the one name so far, Pottorff. I CERTAINLY do appreciate all the work you have done. Sincerely, Janette HE LIVES, HE LIVES, CHRIST JESUS LIVES TODAY! the Cousincollector --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Momdit@aol.com <Momdit@aol.com> wrote: From: Momdit@aol.com <Momdit@aol.com> Subject: [IADECATU] Gravestone Photos To: IADECATU-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 8:10 AM Thanks to Nancee Decatur County now has 4,156 gravestone photos!  Stacey Dietiker www.iagenweb.org/decatur ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Nancee Decatur County now has 4,156 gravestone photos! Stacey Dietiker

Wanda,   Are you aware that Bill passed away about 2 years ago?  I am friends with his son Kris and his daughter Paige.  The Lindseys are an old Decatur family and very respectable in leon also.    ~Tracie TRACIE McBROOM Newton, IA    --- On Fri, 6/4/10, Leland Rauch <lrwr@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Leland Rauch <lrwr@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [IADECATU] GARY LINDSEY To: iadecatu@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 9:45 AM Nancee - I would like to read what you scanned about Gary.  I knew him and his brother, Billy Bob, well.  Billy Bob was in my class at Leon and a good friend.  Was so shocked - didn't know he had health problems.  Wanda ________________________________ From: Nancee Seifert <iggy29@grm.net> To: IADECATU@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:20:17 PM Subject: [IADECATU] GARY LINDSEY I picked up the Leon Paper today and have scanned the articles written about Gary and an article that Gary had written while in the hospital... I'll send them to whoever would like them. Nancee ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Janice Lund Date: 06/02/10 17:36:59 To: IADECATU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IADECATU] Gary Lindsey My cousin just told me Gary Lindsey, owner of the Leon Journal Reporter has died.  He was 60 years old.  Was this in the paper? Jan   www.iagenweb.org/Decatur www.iagenweb.org/decatur ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message www.iagenweb.org/decatur ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nancee, It was in the 90's that we got this one. We were in the office where all the old books of births, deaths, marriages were located. Do you have a fax? I would fax a copy of these to you or I can take them and copy them and mail to you. (I don't have a scanner attached to this computer) Carol In a message dated 6/7/2010 3:27:18 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, iggy29@grm.net writes: Hi Carol: I had asked Gayle Norman in the Recorder's Office where to find a map and he said he didn't know -- they didn't have one.. If you find out where I can get one, please let me know. Thanks, Nancee ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: GenSearcher45@aol.com Date: 6/7/2010 3:07:48 PM To: iadecatu@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IADECATU] THE CEMETERY 'GYPSY' RETURNS... Hello Nancee and all, I'm behind on all my reading of the wonderful things from this list. It occurred to me as I'm reading of Nancee's adventures as cemetery gypsy that I have a map of the area that we got several years ago when we first visited Decatur county to find graves. The map was copied and given to us at the court house in Leon. It is two legal sized pieces of paper. and the Cemeteries are circled on it. I have it before me. There are 57 cemeteries identified on it. When we were there we had no trouble finding the ones we especially wanted to visit based on this map. My question is, does the court house no longer have/give out this map to visitors who may be wanting to visit the cemeteries? It's a gem to us! Regards, Carol in Colorado www.iagenweb.org/Decatur www.iagenweb.org/decatur ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Nancee and all, I'm behind on all my reading of the wonderful things from this list. It occurred to me as I'm reading of Nancee's adventures as cemetery gypsy that I have a map of the area that we got several years ago when we first visited Decatur county to find graves. The map was copied and given to us at the court house in Leon. It is two legal sized pieces of paper. and the Cemeteries are circled on it. I have it before me. There are 57 cemeteries identified on it. When we were there we had no trouble finding the ones we especially wanted to visit based on this map. My question is, does the court house no longer have/give out this map to visitors who may be wanting to visit the cemeteries? It's a gem to us! Regards, Carol in Colorado

Hi Carol: I had asked Gayle Norman in the Recorder's Office where to find a map and he said he didn't know -- they didn't have one.. If you find out where I can get one, please let me know. Thanks, Nancee ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: GenSearcher45@aol.com Date: 6/7/2010 3:07:48 PM To: iadecatu@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IADECATU] THE CEMETERY 'GYPSY' RETURNS... Hello Nancee and all, I'm behind on all my reading of the wonderful things from this list. It occurred to me as I'm reading of Nancee's adventures as cemetery gypsy that I have a map of the area that we got several years ago when we first visited Decatur county to find graves. The map was copied and given to us at the court house in Leon. It is two legal sized pieces of paper. and the Cemeteries are circled on it. I have it before me. There are 57 cemeteries identified on it. When we were there we had no trouble finding the ones we especially wanted to visit based on this map. My question is, does the court house no longer have/give out this map to visitors who may be wanting to visit the cemeteries? It's a gem to us! Regards, Carol in Colorado www.iagenweb.org/Decatur

Hi All: Yesterday I took advantage of a great, sunny day to head to the Lamoni, Fayette Township area to look for Creveling, Sweet Home and Hollen Cemeteries.. I've made this large map consisting of all 16 Decatur Co. Townships and so I have a better idea of what is what... I had stopped in Leon last week at City Hall to see if they had a county plat map I could have -- well, no, they only have the extended 911 map and it sells for $5.00 -- no cemeteries shown on it.. I asked her if she remembered the days when maps were something given away at most places, and she looked at me in confusion -- she's young... So, I went to see Gayle Norman at the County Recorder's Office and he only had the individual township maps which are the same as we have on the Decatur County website. He thought it would be a good idea to make one big one showing the cemeteries... Well, he's a nice guy, but he's also a paid county official -- so why would I do this job? So, over the river and through the woods I went to find these cemeteries -- 3 more on my list! After a little looking, I finally found Creveling Cemetery, which is just past Farm Song Road and up a long lane beside a house... I love the feeling I get when I see the headstones sticking up like an oasis in the middle of the field... So, the first order of business was to find a 'tinkle tree' where no one could see me. Alrightythen -- I started chalking and taking pics of the headstones; they are in need of some repair. This cemetery, as with most, sits on top of a hill that overlooks the lush valleys and beautiful farmsteads in the area -- just plain feeds my soul to take it all in! I headed back into Lamoni and followed Hwy 69 south to J67 where I was to head west -- well, it's actually 310th St. I was driving and enjoying the beautiful Amish and Mennonite farms along the way when I suddenly saw a little cemetery to my left.. No name, just an iron gate. It had to be Sweet Home Cemetery, according to my map.. There are not many headstones, so must be a lot of unmarked burials.. I have to say that these iron gates are kept shut by wire, bungee cord, or chain most of the time, and have been secured by strong men!! I always struggle with them, but usually win the battle; maybe my bolt cutters would be something to add to my list of things to take to the cemeteries... smile.. According to my special, home grown map, I needed to go to J47 (which is Elk Chapel Road) as I later learned. As always, I headed the direction I thought I should be going.. I stopped a couple of times to look at the map and try to get my bearings, and the nicest Iowa folks stopped to see if I needed any help.. A fellow on a 4-wheeler came out of nowhere and looked at my map and said, "You're way north of where you want to be, you're in Bloomington Township." Of course I always claim being map challenged and old - to preserve what female dignity I might have with these fellows... I do get that look that says "What is an old woman by herself doing on these gravel roads?" I just give 'em my best 'Maxine' smile and go on my way.. You know, I do know that the sun comes up in the east and sets in the west, but when I'm cemetery hunting it always seems to be high noon.. Add a compass to my list of things to take to the cemeteries.............. I headed back the way I had come and looked for R14 (which was actually 105th St.) and managed to find the way to Hollen Cemetery.. A pretty place with no sign and no gate.. Wow, being successful at finding these cemeteries was going to my head!! I headed back to Lamoni and noted the silage pits are happily ripening. I passed a house that was painted the color of bubble gum with a bright blue door -- so don't tell me these country folks are bored or plain. Then there was the detour which took me through more country where the water had been over the road, due to the 7 " of rain Lamoni had Saturday; but didn't have any problems navigating it in my 'almost amphibious little green hearse'. Feeling I had accomplished my mission, I headed for the Visitor's Center which has a good old fashioned Maid Rite Restaurant in it and enjoyed one... In the hall they have a lot of historic Lamoni pictures and narrations to read which I found to be very interesting.. Three more cemeteries to add to the Gravestone Photos.. Yippee... As Always, Nancee

Nancee, There are several field stones in the Logan Cemetery that are supposed to mark Jewett Burial Sites. Sarah Jane Jewett Kelley is the wife of Patrick Kelley. Did you get the info I sent from the Juett/Jewett family site on MyFamily.com? Thanks, Jackie in HOT NWKS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancee Seifert" <iggy29@grm.net> To: <IADECATU@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 10:47 AM Subject: [IADECATU] HELP.. >A few days ago, I managed to find the Logan Cemetery in Morgan Township. > There is a rock with a gold marker plate attached to it.. I am not able to > read it all - so someone may be able to give me the right info. before I > post it to the gravestone photo site. Thanks, Nancee > > JEWETT BURIAL GROUND > RELATIVES OF > (?)MARIA)or maybe (?SUSAN) JEWETT KELLY > > There are a number of rocks as markers in a row with this rock. > > www.iagenweb.org/decatur > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Nancee, I have Daniel and Serena in my files. I have her maiden name as Duley. Serena Isabell Duley: Jan 4, 1854 - Mar 20, 1919 (You saw Jan 4 1857) Daniel Erhardt Lentz: Apr 17, 1852 _ no death date. (would love to have the death date) My info came from Carla Rae so perhaps she will respond to your question too. Thanks so much for the great job you're doing for all of us! Guess it's time for me to do some more lookin' for more info on them. I'm working for the census bureau again this year - right now doing visits to addresses that haven't sent in their census. 98% of the people are very nice - 2% not so much ;-( Hugs, Carol =================== 1900 Census-Decatur Co, Iowa Eden Twp. (June 6, 1900) Household #(189)190, Vol. 21, ED#43, Sheet 10, Line 51 Daniel E. Lentz 48 Apr 1852 M (21 yr) OH Germ WV Serena I or J. (wife) 42 Jun 1858 C (8/8) IA IN IN Ira L. (son) 20 Apr 1880 S IA Iva I or J. (dtr) 15 Sep 1884 S IA Dora A. (dtr) 11 May 1889 S NE William E. (son) 10 Feb 1890 S IA Elsie E. (dtr) 6 Jul 1893 S IA Jacob A. (son) 4 Apr 1896 S IA Pearl F. (dtr) 1 Mar 1899 S IA In a message dated 6/1/2010 1:03:48 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, iggy29@grm.net writes: I am putting the gravestone photos on the site for Lentz Cemetery, and came across a stone with names that are not on the cemetery list. Does anyone have the dates for them? DANIEL LENTZ & SERENA J. DOOLEY - HIS WIFE. Her dates appear to be Jan. 4, 1857 - Mar. 20, 1919? I didn't chalk his - so don't know them..... This is a hand lettered stone and has pressed leaves on the back side; quite unique and pretty. Help if you can... Thanks, Nancee www.iagenweb.org/decatur ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

i'll bet it does, darrell, i'll bet it does. like you, i always stop there on my way north into iowa....and go out there behind the place and just look out for a while........just can't help myself. i'd hate to try and 'member how many times i tried to "get lucky" and failed up there......mac ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Eckardt" <dreckardt@cox.net> To: <iadecatu@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [IADECATU] Can You Imagine??? > Mac, When grandma Sellers moved into town she gave me and several others > part of his finds. Don't know who got the rattlers. A lot of good > memories > of the old farm & Slip Bluff. In latter years I would go back and camp at > the park up on Slip Bluff. I still revisit Slipp Bluff and the rest area > on > I35, it brings back a lot of old memories of growing up. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronald M McClure" <rmcclure@hot.rr.com> > To: <iadecatu@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [IADECATU] Can You Imagine??? > > >> small world, darrell. i knew your g'pa! think maybe we might've even >> picked up his eggs and sold him some nutrena or gooches >> feed............but >> that might've been the greens.....did you ever wonder if those old indian >> relics might still be layin' there or did that welcome center wipe 'em >> out?.......mac >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Darrell Eckardt" <dreckardt@cox.net> >> To: <iadecatu@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 11:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [IADECATU] Can You Imagine??? >> >> >>> My grandfather, Jay Sellers, farm was on the Grand River. Part of which >>> was >>> on the bottom land below Slip Bluff. He had a old fruit jar of rattle >>> snake >>> rattlers that he cut off each rattler that he killed. The old jar with >>> the >>> rattlers laid under a large cottonwood tree in their back yard along >>> with >>> some old Indian articles that he had found in the area. I was always >>> fascinated in looking at them.This would have been in the 1930's & >>> 1940's. >>> >>> Where the old home and barn set is now the Welcome Center (rest stop) on >>> I35, and a lot of the land around there is still owned by his grandson. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ronald M McClure" <rmcclure@hot.rr.com> >>> To: <iadecatu@rootsweb.com>; <iowa@rootsweb.com>; >>> <IADECATU-L@rootsweb.com>; >>> <iaringgo@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:01 AM >>> Subject: Re: [IADECATU] Can You Imagine??? >>> >>> >>>> there were certainly timber rattlers in springer timber (springer >>>> woods) >>>> and >>>> slip bluff 'tween the '40s and 60s. we were makin' cane sorghum down >>>> there >>>> and one of the woodard or young boys said the heat was drawin' 'em to >>>> the >>>> cookin' site. had an ole boy show me one that he said he killed in >>>> nine >>>> eagles too......but he was kind of windy.......always thought he found >>>> it >>>> on >>>> the road run over.....that's what it looked like to me.......mac >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Sharon Becker" <srbecker@iowatelecom.net> >>>> To: <iowa@rootsweb.com>; <IADECATU-L@rootsweb.com>; >>>> <iaringgo@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:14 AM >>>> Subject: [IADECATU] Can You Imagine??? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Can you imagine??? >>>>> >>>>> Excerpt below from "Pioneer Life of George W. Lesan" >>>>> who settled in Ringgold County, 1855. >>>>> >>>>> Article in it's entirety at: >>>>> http://iagenweb.org/ringgold/biographical/hist-gwlesanpioneer.html >>>>> >>>>> FWIW, I had heard all my lifetime (and I'm not a kid anymore :~) >>>>> that there were rattlesnakes in Iowa. There were supposed to be >>>>> some in Decatur County in the 1970's, or so I was told at the time. >>>>> The only snakes I've ever come across were garter snakes, king >>>>> snakes, and a few rat snakes (don't know what they are officially >>>>> called.) I hated garter snakes until I got my riding mower - always >>>>> got one in the push mower and wrapped around my bare legs at >>>>> least once every summer. Then my barn cat Mindy used to catch 'em >>>>> and bring the dead snake up & lay it by the back door for me. Supposed >>>>> to be a cat's way of paying honor to her human, but I didn't see it >>>>> quite that way. >>>>> >>>>> Sharon R. Becker >>>>> Ringgold County IAGenWeb Coordinator >>>>> srbecker@iowatelecom.net. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rattlesnakes were numerous. After G. W. got his puncheon floor put in, >>>>> they were sitting in the twilight when they heard a hissing sound. >>>>> Andrew >>>>> IMUS said it was a locust; G. W. said it was a rattler. They stepped >>>>> to >>>>> the door to listen when a large rattlesnake crawled from under the >>>>> rocking >>>>> chair where Mrs. LESAN was holding the baby. She says, "Here is your >>>>> snake," when G. W. grabbed the chair with his wife and baby and >>>>> carried >>>>> them out of doors. They killed the snake. >>>>> >>>>> A few days later, after she had hung out her washing and brought the >>>>> basket with the remaining pins in it, and sat it down, and took the >>>>> crying >>>>> baby up and sat her down by the clothes basket. The child played by >>>>> pulling and pushing the basket and making the pins rattle. Then she >>>>> became >>>>> tired and her mother took her up, fed her, and she went to sleep. She >>>>> laid >>>>> her on the bed and proceeded to straighten up the room. She picked up >>>>> the >>>>> basket to put it in its place when "horrors," there laid a big >>>>> rattler, >>>>> all curled up under the basket. Its back was skinned up where the >>>>> child >>>>> had pulled the basket back and forth over his back. She called to her >>>>> husband and he came and killed it. He tore up the floor, but found no >>>>> more >>>>> snakes, and they were not bothered any more, but several children were >>>>> bitten later, some died and some did not. >>>>> >>>>> Excerpt from: >>>>> >>>>> LESAN, Mrs. B. M. Early History of Ringgold County: 1844 - 1937 Pp. >>>>> 22, >>>>> 156-162. Blair Pub. House. Lamoni IA. 1937. >>>>> >>>>> Transcription and notes by Sharon R. Becker, June of 2010 >>>>> >>>>> >>> > > > > > www.iagenweb.org/decatur > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry if you received this more than once; on my end, it looked as if it were not going through: I've seen this in journalism, and looked it up on Wiki . . . interesting -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-30- *–30–* has been traditionally used by journalists to indicate the end of a story. There are many theories about how the usage came into being,[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-30-#cite_note-0>e.g. It was telegraphic shorthand to signify the end of a story in the Civil War era.[2] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-30-#cite_note-1> Other theories include that the "-30-" originated when stories were written in longhand<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longhand>; X marked the end of a sentence, XX the end of a paragraph, and XXX meant the end of a story. The Roman numerals XXX translate to 30.

Miss Twito (there's some of us out here that prob'ly still 'member her) told us it came from the telegraphers at the end of their "copy"........was a way of tellin' the other end of the wire "ok, i'm done, your turn".........but, Ed, I ain't got a clue as to whether or not that's correct. over. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Poush" <epoush@mayflowerhomes.com> To: <iadecatu@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [IADECATU] Gary Lindsey > Mac - I believe it was written as -30- but I had never come across it > before. Wonder how it got to mean finished? > > Ed Poush > Mayflower Community > O - 641-236-6151 X 201 > C - 641-990-8557 > Fax 236-6154 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: iadecatu-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:iadecatu-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Ronald M McClure > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:35 PM > To: iadecatu@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IADECATU] Gary Lindsey > > it doesn't mean "death", ed, it means......something more like done....or > over......or finished.....or completed. it's not written 30....or at > least > should not be. it's written -30- ......................mac > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Poush" <epoush@mayflowerhomes.com> > To: <iadecatu@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: [IADECATU] Gary Lindsey > > >> >From reading the articles, I can see that the number "30" means death. >> >Does anyone know how that came to be? >> >> Ed Poush >> Mayflower Community >> O - 641-236-6151 X 201 >> C - 641-990-8557 >> Fax 236-6154 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: iadecatu-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:iadecatu-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of JudyJDM@aol.com >> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:13 PM >> To: iadecatu@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IADECATU] Gary Lindsey >> >> Nancee, >> >> I would also like to see the articles about Gary Lindsey. I didn't know >> him, but I'm very interested in his Lindsey line. I suspect he related >> to >> the Lindseys in Mercer and Harrison Counties, MO. >> >> Thanks! >> -Judy >> >> >> >> In a message dated 6/4/2010 11:25:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >> iadecatu-request@rootsweb.com writes: >> >> From: Nancee Seifert <iggy29@grm.net> >> To: IADECATU@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:20:17 PM >> Subject: [IADECATU] GARY LINDSEY >> >> I picked up the Leon Paper today and have scanned the articles written >> about >> Gary and an article that Gary had written while in the hospital... I'll >> send >> them to whoever would like them. >> Nancee >> >> www.iagenweb.org/decatur >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> www.iagenweb.org/decatur >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > www.iagenweb.org/decatur > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > www.iagenweb.org/decatur > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've seen this in journalism, and looked it up on Wiki . . . interesting -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-30- *–30–* has been traditionally used by journalists to indicate the end of a story. There are many theories about how the usage came into being,[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-30-#cite_note-0>e.g. It was telegraphic shorthand to signify the end of a story in the Civil War era.[2] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-30-#cite_note-1> Other theories include that the "-30-" originated when stories were written in longhand<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longhand>; X marked the end of a sentence, XX the end of a paragraph, and XXX meant the end of a story. The Roman numerals XXX translate to 30.

I've seen this in journalism, and looked it up on Wiki . . . interesting -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-30- *–30–* has been traditionally used by journalists to indicate the end of a story. There are many theories about how the usage came into being,[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-30-#cite_note-0>e.g. It was telegraphic shorthand to signify the end of a story in the Civil War era.[2] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-30-#cite_note-1> Other theories include that the "-30-" originated when stories were written in longhand<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longhand>; X marked the end of a sentence, XX the end of a paragraph, and XXX meant the end of a story. The Roman numerals XXX translate to 30.

Mac, When grandma Sellers moved into town she gave me and several others part of his finds. Don't know who got the rattlers. A lot of good memories of the old farm & Slip Bluff. In latter years I would go back and camp at the park up on Slip Bluff. I still revisit Slipp Bluff and the rest area on I35, it brings back a lot of old memories of growing up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald M McClure" <rmcclure@hot.rr.com> To: <iadecatu@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [IADECATU] Can You Imagine??? > small world, darrell. i knew your g'pa! think maybe we might've even > picked up his eggs and sold him some nutrena or gooches > feed............but > that might've been the greens.....did you ever wonder if those old indian > relics might still be layin' there or did that welcome center wipe 'em > out?.......mac > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darrell Eckardt" <dreckardt@cox.net> > To: <iadecatu@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [IADECATU] Can You Imagine??? > > >> My grandfather, Jay Sellers, farm was on the Grand River. Part of which >> was >> on the bottom land below Slip Bluff. He had a old fruit jar of rattle >> snake >> rattlers that he cut off each rattler that he killed. The old jar with >> the >> rattlers laid under a large cottonwood tree in their back yard along with >> some old Indian articles that he had found in the area. I was always >> fascinated in looking at them.This would have been in the 1930's & >> 1940's. >> >> Where the old home and barn set is now the Welcome Center (rest stop) on >> I35, and a lot of the land around there is still owned by his grandson. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ronald M McClure" <rmcclure@hot.rr.com> >> To: <iadecatu@rootsweb.com>; <iowa@rootsweb.com>; >> <IADECATU-L@rootsweb.com>; >> <iaringgo@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [IADECATU] Can You Imagine??? >> >> >>> there were certainly timber rattlers in springer timber (springer woods) >>> and >>> slip bluff 'tween the '40s and 60s. we were makin' cane sorghum down >>> there >>> and one of the woodard or young boys said the heat was drawin' 'em to >>> the >>> cookin' site. had an ole boy show me one that he said he killed in >>> nine >>> eagles too......but he was kind of windy.......always thought he found >>> it >>> on >>> the road run over.....that's what it looked like to me.......mac >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sharon Becker" <srbecker@iowatelecom.net> >>> To: <iowa@rootsweb.com>; <IADECATU-L@rootsweb.com>; >>> <iaringgo@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:14 AM >>> Subject: [IADECATU] Can You Imagine??? >>> >>> >>>> Can you imagine??? >>>> >>>> Excerpt below from "Pioneer Life of George W. Lesan" >>>> who settled in Ringgold County, 1855. >>>> >>>> Article in it's entirety at: >>>> http://iagenweb.org/ringgold/biographical/hist-gwlesanpioneer.html >>>> >>>> FWIW, I had heard all my lifetime (and I'm not a kid anymore :~) >>>> that there were rattlesnakes in Iowa. There were supposed to be >>>> some in Decatur County in the 1970's, or so I was told at the time. >>>> The only snakes I've ever come across were garter snakes, king >>>> snakes, and a few rat snakes (don't know what they are officially >>>> called.) I hated garter snakes until I got my riding mower - always >>>> got one in the push mower and wrapped around my bare legs at >>>> least once every summer. Then my barn cat Mindy used to catch 'em >>>> and bring the dead snake up & lay it by the back door for me. Supposed >>>> to be a cat's way of paying honor to her human, but I didn't see it >>>> quite that way. >>>> >>>> Sharon R. Becker >>>> Ringgold County IAGenWeb Coordinator >>>> srbecker@iowatelecom.net. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rattlesnakes were numerous. After G. W. got his puncheon floor put in, >>>> they were sitting in the twilight when they heard a hissing sound. >>>> Andrew >>>> IMUS said it was a locust; G. W. said it was a rattler. They stepped to >>>> the door to listen when a large rattlesnake crawled from under the >>>> rocking >>>> chair where Mrs. LESAN was holding the baby. She says, "Here is your >>>> snake," when G. W. grabbed the chair with his wife and baby and carried >>>> them out of doors. They killed the snake. >>>> >>>> A few days later, after she had hung out her washing and brought the >>>> basket with the remaining pins in it, and sat it down, and took the >>>> crying >>>> baby up and sat her down by the clothes basket. The child played by >>>> pulling and pushing the basket and making the pins rattle. Then she >>>> became >>>> tired and her mother took her up, fed her, and she went to sleep. She >>>> laid >>>> her on the bed and proceeded to straighten up the room. She picked up >>>> the >>>> basket to put it in its place when "horrors," there laid a big rattler, >>>> all curled up under the basket. Its back was skinned up where the child >>>> had pulled the basket back and forth over his back. She called to her >>>> husband and he came and killed it. He tore up the floor, but found no >>>> more >>>> snakes, and they were not bothered any more, but several children were >>>> bitten later, some died and some did not. >>>> >>>> Excerpt from: >>>> >>>> LESAN, Mrs. B. M. Early History of Ringgold County: 1844 - 1937 Pp. 22, >>>> 156-162. Blair Pub. House. Lamoni IA. 1937. >>>> >>>> Transcription and notes by Sharon R. Becker, June of 2010 >>>> >>>> >> >

Mac - I believe it was written as -30- but I had never come across it before. Wonder how it got to mean finished? Ed Poush Mayflower Community O - 641-236-6151 X 201 C - 641-990-8557 Fax 236-6154 -----Original Message----- From: iadecatu-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:iadecatu-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronald M McClure Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:35 PM To: iadecatu@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IADECATU] Gary Lindsey it doesn't mean "death", ed, it means......something more like done....or over......or finished.....or completed. it's not written 30....or at least should not be. it's written -30- ......................mac ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Poush" <epoush@mayflowerhomes.com> To: <iadecatu@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [IADECATU] Gary Lindsey > >From reading the articles, I can see that the number "30" means death. > >Does anyone know how that came to be? > > Ed Poush > Mayflower Community > O - 641-236-6151 X 201 > C - 641-990-8557 > Fax 236-6154 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: iadecatu-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:iadecatu-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of JudyJDM@aol.com > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:13 PM > To: iadecatu@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IADECATU] Gary Lindsey > > Nancee, > > I would also like to see the articles about Gary Lindsey. I didn't know > him, but I'm very interested in his Lindsey line. I suspect he related > to > the Lindseys in Mercer and Harrison Counties, MO. > > Thanks! > -Judy > > > > In a message dated 6/4/2010 11:25:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > iadecatu-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > From: Nancee Seifert <iggy29@grm.net> > To: IADECATU@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:20:17 PM > Subject: [IADECATU] GARY LINDSEY > > I picked up the Leon Paper today and have scanned the articles written > about > Gary and an article that Gary had written while in the hospital... I'll > send > them to whoever would like them. > Nancee > > www.iagenweb.org/decatur > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > www.iagenweb.org/decatur > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > www.iagenweb.org/decatur ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IADECATU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was waiting for you to tell us, Rick, remembering you were a newspaper reporter, etal. I found this interesting article and since the list is quiet, I'll post it.,....Stacey can take it off so it doesn't go into the archives! The use of the symbol was once so prevalent that it made its way into Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, which says 30 is "a sign of completion." But the tradition of using it to cap off a piece of sprightly copy dropped off considerably when the computer replaced the typewriter - the what? - in America's newsrooms. So it's a term whose meaning is lost on many younger journalists. The venerable "-30-" caused some mischief in late July at the New York Times when a reporter typed it at the end of his article about the shooting of two police officers in Brooklyn. The published version of the story said that a trial was scheduled for February 30, which doesn't occur even in the leapest of leap years. Said a subsequent Times correction: "The error occurred when an editor saw the symbol '-30-' typed at the bottom of the reporter's article and combined it with the last word, 'February.'" So where did the term originate? Some say the mark began during a time when stories were submitted via telegraph, with "-30-" denoting "the end" in Morse code. Another theory suggests that the first telegraphed news story had 30 words. Others claim the "-30-" comes from a time when stories were written in longhand - X marked the end of a sentence, XX the end of a paragraph and XXX meant the end of a story. The Roman numerals XXX translate to 30. But these are hardly the only explanations, theories and guesses for the rise of "-30-". It is rumored that a letter to an East India company ended with "80," a figure meaning "farewell" in Bengali. The symbol supposedly was misread, changed to 30 and took root. Some say the mark comes from the fact that press offices closed at 3 o'clock. And there's the theory that 30 was the code for a telegraph operator who stayed at his post during a breaking news story until his death 30 hours later - versions of that story even include that the unfortunate operator hit two keys on his machine when he collapsed. Which ones? That's right, 3 and 0. Julie Williams, a professor of journalism and mass communication at Samford University in Birmingham, Alabama, says the guessing game over "-30-" has taken on a life of its own, in part because the ambiguity leaves it open to a wide array of interpretations. "Because it's so obviously not intuitive, you can't tell what it means," she says. "I think people were anxious to come up with explanations for it." Or maybe "-30-" is just another way for journalists to suggest that theirs is cooler than other professions. "I'm not sure that it's any more of a mystery than a lot of other things," says Linda Steiner, who teaches at the Philip Merrill College of Journalism at the University of Maryland. "I think journalists have always liked to create odd or weird names for things that they do or conventions that they have." For most, the origin of "-30-" is less important than what it represents, a remnant of a bygone era when shouts of "copy" echoed through the newsroom and computers seemed the stuff of science fiction. "It was just what one did. I don't know the origin or what I was told," says Peter Binzen, 84, a longtime reporter, editor and columnist at the Philadelphia Bulletin and Philadelphia Inquirer. "I don't suppose any reporter under 50 has used it." Don Harrison, 79, editor of Milestones, a monthly newspaper published by the Philadelphia Corporation for Aging, and a former Philadelphia newsman, says that "-30-", as well as "#" and "end it," were essential for writing stories on deadline. "You had to use something when you were typing because you would write two or three paragraphs on deadline," Harrison says. "Then the copyboy would pick it up and send it to the composing room. It was necessary [to have] some way to say, 'This is it, it's over... Put a head on it and put it in the next day's paper.'" Stephen Dixon, a former professor at Johns Hopkins University, even titled his 1999 book "30" to acknowledge the thematic endings the main character (who happens to be a former newsman) experiences throughout the novel. His publisher added the subtitle "Pieces of a Novel" because he worried that nobody in the Internet era would understand the book's title. Perhaps the publisher was on to something - Dixon ended up writing a letter to the editor complaining about a book review that seemed to totally miss the meaning of the novel's title and its relationship to the theme of endings in the book. Chicago newsman Charles Madigan not so cheerily named his new book, a selection of essays about the decline of the newspaper business, "-30-: The Collapse of the Great American Newspaper." So even though it's an anachronism, "-30-" continues to make its presence felt. After not using the symbol for years, Binzen even chose to end his 56-year newspaper career in 2005 with a farewell column that concluded with, what else, "-30-".

Nancee, I would also like to see the articles about Gary Lindsey. I didn't know him, but I'm very interested in his Lindsey line. I suspect he related to the Lindseys in Mercer and Harrison Counties, MO. Thanks! -Judy In a message dated 6/4/2010 11:25:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, iadecatu-request@rootsweb.com writes: From: Nancee Seifert <iggy29@grm.net> To: IADECATU@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:20:17 PM Subject: [IADECATU] GARY LINDSEY I picked up the Leon Paper today and have scanned the articles written about Gary and an article that Gary had written while in the hospital... I'll send them to whoever would like them. Nancee

On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:38 PM, DiggingMy Roots wrote: > -30- and # or ### (sometimes seen as # # #) are still used today when > writing press releases. They used to be typed double spaced and would often > be multiple pages so this would indicate there were no additional pages to > the press release. I totally agree. In 40 years as newspaper reporter and editor I've never heard a truly satisfactory explanation for using -30- but it definitely continues to be used. As to the telegraphy use of 30 at the end of a message, that may have been true in oldtime landline telegraphy but as a radio telegrapher since 1956 I can say I have never seen that usage in civilian or naval telegraphy. We use "73" as a final greeting but the end of a transmission is rendered with letters, such as "K" or "SK" (the latter meaning "silent key"). The teletype news services, UPI and AP, always ended their stories with just a long dash and either the date/time or coded data. Rick, Merced, CA