This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Gk.2ADI/255.270.274.267.1 Message Board Post: Bob- Karen (Venteicher) Brunsmann is my aunt. She is the daughter of Paul and Norma Jean (Klostermann) Venteicher. They have two children, Amanda and Nick. I hope this helps! Carla