This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Gk.2ADI/1156 Message Board Post: LaVerne, When you originally asked me about Kramer's I told you they were on my dad's side of the family and that they to my knowledge didn't come from Kansas (originally they had come from Denmark). I have since learned that my great great grandmother's maiden name was Kramer. She (Maria Catherine Kramer) was from Oldenburg, Germany and married Carl Joseph Olberding. They married there. They had 3 children there before coming to the USA. I don't know if that is any help to you or not. Or if they are the same Kramer family. Let me know if there is any relationship. Ok? Thank you, Nancy