This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Vk.2ADE/1537.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Jan, Please bear with me. This will be a little longwinded. My woking theory is that Eva (Mrs. Charles) Strubel was a daughter of Joseph and Margaret Full. It's said they had 14 children, but I haven't found a proper list of names. Joseph, Margaret and nine younger family members arrived in New York on the Carolus Magnus on 13 June 1853. Joseph Full (27 September 1800-4 August 1861) is buried in the Theiss or Perkins Grove Cemetery, Sublette Tp., Lee, IL. Margaret Full (10 May 1802-12 February 1874) is buried in St. Mary's Cemetery, Metamora, Woodford, IL. (Great detective work by Ken Wiltz and Gil Theiss!) Ken Wiltz and I are trying to reconstruct the Full family--not easy given the thin pioneer records. We're certain about four children: -Margaret, of Sublette Tp., who married George Michael Lauer -Mary Josephine, of Metamora, who married Peter Joseph Wiltz (Ken's ancestors) -Teresa, of Minonk, IL, who married Michael Wiltz -Catherine of Sublette, who married George Stephenitch and Joseph Bettendorf How does Eva Strubel fit in? The 1860 census lists Charles and Eva's family directly under the family of Peter and Josephine Wiltz. (Worth Tp., Woodford, IL) Both men were brickmakers; they obviously worked together. Another similarity is that both wives were born in Bavaria. Sisters? Eva was 27 in 1860. Eva Full, one of the Carolus Magnus immigrants, was 20 years old seven years earlier. There's other hints as well. In the same news column as Catherine Bettendorf''s obituary, it's reported that "Mrs. Joe Friedel and Mrs. Peter Roser [sic], from Waterloo, Ia., were here to visit their cousins, the Lauers, Fluehrs and Bettendorfs." The married names of two Strubel daughters are misspelled, but I imagine they were in Sublette for the funeral. And Eva Strubel's maiden name is Tull on her death record; that's awful close to Full. Other possible children of Joseph and Margaret Full are: -Kunigunda, of Sublette Tp., IL and Ellinwood, KS, who married Adam Schmitt -Ferdinand, of Sublette, IL (my 2nd great-grandfather) -John N. Full, of Mendota, IL -Mary, of Sublette Tp. -John, of May Tp., Lee, IL, and Chicago, IL, who married Elisabeth Strubel (She disappeared before the 1870 census.) -Anna -August -Ann, of Sublette Tp. -Benjamin, of Sublette Tp., IL, Metamora Tp., IL, Ellinwood, KS and Chicago, IL -Margaret, of Sublette Tp. This, of course, is a guestimate. Do you recognize any names? Incidently, there some Strubels buried in St. Mary's Cemetery, Sublette, Lee, IL: -John Strubel, 19 February 1833-3 March 1903 -Regina, his wife, 24 August 1844-4 March 1905 -Cathrena (Strubel) Lauer, 8 November 1826-15 September 1876 -Andreas Lauer, her husband, 8 July 1819-3 March 1898 You might look for obituaries published in the Mendota and Amboy, IL newspapers. There, that covers the high points. Feel free to contact me directly to discuss this further. joe_ehleringer@yahoo.com