This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hyde, Crabtree Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4Yk.2ACIB/466.484.488.490.509.533.1 Message Board Post: Hello, Your Grandmother was the elder sister of my Grandfather, Harry Hyde (born 1900). There were quite a few siblings - I remember my Gransma Elsie (Harry's wife) telling me the Charles and Sarah had 13 children - but hey buried 3 (to make room I expect). I remember a few of the great uncles/aunts - Bob, Allen, Rachel and Ginnie. Also a Walter, though I not sure if he was a cousin. I too remember the stories of the family being descended from Edward Hyde Earl of Clarendon. It was the romantic prospect of a connection with the Hyde of Hyde family that got me researching. The results are not what I expected. Charles Hyde is the grandson of Charles Hyde, born in Dumfries about 1812. The Scots records of that period are very poor. I have not been able to trace any Hyde family in that area, nor much in Scotland. Unless someone knows something that is not in the records the trail goes cold there. The Crabtree side looks a little more interesting. There were the cousins, Justinius and Curinus. I was told that these two had gone off to America and Jusitnius was selling wine to the Indians. Anyway Curinus returned to Hyde in circumstances that weren't much talked about. I can let you have a GEDcom file of the pedigree should you wish. Regards David Hyde