Hello Rosemary - Thanks for getting back - What you have given me helps a little, but I still need to know from where he came - What part of Ireland? The name of his wife does not ring a bell either. I do not know a lot about Alexander Hunter other than what I have told you - I believe he arrived in Australia about 1850 and lived in Melbourne and married Harriet Palmer. Have you tried to obtain a death certificate for your Robert? Alexander and Harriet had a son named Robert and Alexander's father was Robert - coincidence? - Need more information - Regards - Richard

I understand from older family that my grandfather's name was james hunter, and he was born in ga. or tenn. I was told he died somewhere in oklahoma around 1908. Just hear say. I am a Hunter from arkansas, my father's name was Jess and he had several brother's and sisters. Harvey, Frank, Cal, Earnest, Dona, Ida Belle, and maybe more that we know nothing about. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Smith <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [HUNTER-L] James S Hunter, TN/AR >It is indeed an accomplishment, when you are able to find a Hunter connection.We >are all thrilled for you. >Can anyone tell me why so many Hunters left TN and went to AR? >If we knew, would we find that many were related? >God Bless, >Beverly Smith > > > >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 9:15 PM >> Subject: [HUNTER-L] James S Hunter, TN/AR >> >> >Yea!! After months of searching, I finally have my great-grandfather. (I >> cheated, I hired a research firm). Here is what I have: >> > >> >1880 Census Yell Co, Arkansas >> > >> >James S. Hunter age 25 born TN >> >Malisie A. age 24 born TN >> >Emma? A. age 6 born AR >> >John W. age 4 born AR (my grandfather who died young leaving 4 orphaned >> children) >> >Madora age 1 born AR (great-uncle who raised my father and his siblings- he >> died in 1937 and we did >> > not know he was a twin) >> >Senore age 1 born AR >> >Francis Brasherse age 57 born TN (mother-in-law) >> >Francis Freeman age 13 born TN (niece) >> >Thomas Freeman age 11 born TN >> >Sarah Freeman age 8 born AR (niece) >> > >> >Today, I am a very happy person. >> > >> >Things I already knew: >> > >> >John W (Wesley) Hunter grew up and married Laura Irene Williams. He and >> this brother Dora (Madora) who married Ida Offil?, moved to TX. John W and >> Laura died abt 1917 TX (possibly Morris Co) leaving my father and his >> siblings to be raised by Dora and Ida. >> > >> >I would love to have additional information if anyone has further info. >> Anyone from TN missing Hunters? >> > >> >Ginger >> >[email protected] >> > >> > >> >from some one who is very happy for you! >> from shirley hunter from up in new england.... >> > >> > > > >

We definitely need to persue this. I do recall my dad saying his dad (John W.) lived in OK for a time. If that is true, then James could have very well stayed there while his sons moved to Texas. I know that Jesse's twins were born in Little River Co, AR in 1879, but by 1880 they had moved to the top of the state to Yell Co. Apparently they did move around. I will try looking in the OK 1900 Census to see if I can find them. Let me know if you can think of other clues. Ginger -----Original Message----- From: Bob <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [HUNTER-L] James S Hunter, TN/AR >I understand from older family that my grandfather's name was james hunter, >and he was born in ga. or tenn. I was told he died somewhere in oklahoma >around 1908. Just hear say. I am a Hunter from arkansas, my father's name >was Jess and he had several brother's and sisters. Harvey, Frank, Cal, >Earnest, Dona, Ida Belle, and maybe more that we know nothing about. >-----Original Message----- >From: Bobby Smith <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 10:13 PM >Subject: Re: [HUNTER-L] James S Hunter, TN/AR > > >>It is indeed an accomplishment, when you are able to find a Hunter >connection.We >>are all thrilled for you. >>Can anyone tell me why so many Hunters left TN and went to AR? >>If we knew, would we find that many were related? >>God Bless, >>Beverly Smith >> >> >> >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 9:15 PM >>> Subject: [HUNTER-L] James S Hunter, TN/AR >>> >>> >Yea!! After months of searching, I finally have my great-grandfather. >(I >>> cheated, I hired a research firm). Here is what I have: >>> > >>> >1880 Census Yell Co, Arkansas >>> > >>> >James S. Hunter age 25 born TN >>> >Malisie A. age 24 born TN >>> >Emma? A. age 6 born AR >>> >John W. age 4 born AR (my grandfather who died young leaving 4 orphaned >>> children) >>> >Madora age 1 born AR (great-uncle who raised my father and his siblings- >he >>> died in 1937 and we did >>> > not know he was a twin) >>> >Senore age 1 born AR >>> >Francis Brasherse age 57 born TN (mother-in-law) >>> >Francis Freeman age 13 born TN (niece) >>> >Thomas Freeman age 11 born TN >>> >Sarah Freeman age 8 born AR (niece) >>> > >>> >Today, I am a very happy person. >>> > >>> >Things I already knew: >>> > >>> >John W (Wesley) Hunter grew up and married Laura Irene Williams. He and >>> this brother Dora (Madora) who married Ida Offil?, moved to TX. John W >and >>> Laura died abt 1917 TX (possibly Morris Co) leaving my father and his >>> siblings to be raised by Dora and Ida. >>> > >>> >I would love to have additional information if anyone has further info. >>> Anyone from TN missing Hunters? >>> > >>> >Ginger >>> >[email protected] >>> > >>> > >>> >from some one who is very happy for you! >>> from shirley hunter from up in new england.... >>> > >>> > >> >> >> >

Hello Rosemary - Could we get some more information? - From where did your Robert Hunter come from? From what group are you referring? Do you know where in Australia Robert settled and who he married? I have a great uncle, Alexander Hunter (1823-1895) who settled in Melbourne from Letterkenny, Donegal, Ireland - Talk to you later. Do you have other Hunter given names? - Richard

Hiya everyone, I am trying to find some information on the Hunters that came to Australia in the late 1800's.... The only person that we know from the group that came here is a Robert Hunter, who was born in 1893/5.. It is possible that he lived in Melbourne before moving to Sydney. If anyone can help me on this i would be grateful Thanks Rosemary Wood

Hello Everybody, I too am hunting for information on my Hunter family. My Great Grandfather is Robert G. Hunter, born in 1856, maybe in Michigan but no proof of where. Family stories says he is of Scottish descendents, again no proof. Robert married Mary Lang, she was born in 1859., and died in 1940. Robert died in 1935, both are buried together in Kosciusko Co., Warsaw, Indiana. The cemetery is called Oakwood Cemetery. Robert Grant & Mary (Lang) Hunter had three children as follows: (a.) William L. Hunter, b. 1884, d. 1955. buried in the same place with spouce. (b.) Mary Hunter, b. June 12, 1889, d. 1981. buried in the same place with spouce. (c.) Arthur Lee Hunter, b. May 10, 1899, d. 1952. William L. Hunter married Mary E., she was born in 1894 and died in 1967. No children that I know of? Mary H. Hunter married Howard W. Kaar, he was born in 1887 and died in 1977. No children that I know of? Arthur Lee Hunter married Maudie May Sickafus, she was born Aug. 03, 1907and died in 1995. These are my Grandparents. Arthur and Maudie divorced in 1942, they had 5 children from this marriage. This is all I have on my Hunter Family, Love to learn more!! Need info on Robert & Mary (Lang) Hunter parents, Also siblings if they had any?? Appreciate any and all Help on this family. Sincerely Cliff Hunter II, Thank You !!

I am searching for information on EDWARD H. HUNTER.,Married ANNE WRIGHT One son, Edward H. W. Hunter born Louisville Georgia, 3/12/1834 d. Louisville 6/28/1888. Married Susan Anne Heard, 1851 Louisville Georgia. Grandparents of Maj. Gen. Frank O'Driscol Hunter after whom Hunter Army Air Field in Savannah GA is named. Any help is appreciated. F. Chauncey Battey

Ginger wrote: > Thank you all for your kind wishes. It is so great to share my excitement > with people who share my passion (surely all of you have family and friends > who think you are crazy?). > Probably just boring. Ann -- Ann Avery Hunter Richmond, Virginia mailto:[email protected]

It is indeed an accomplishment, when you are able to find a Hunter connection.We are all thrilled for you. Can anyone tell me why so many Hunters left TN and went to AR? If we knew, would we find that many were related? God Bless, Beverly Smith > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 9:15 PM > Subject: [HUNTER-L] James S Hunter, TN/AR > > >Yea!! After months of searching, I finally have my great-grandfather. (I > cheated, I hired a research firm). Here is what I have: > > > >1880 Census Yell Co, Arkansas > > > >James S. Hunter age 25 born TN > >Malisie A. age 24 born TN > >Emma? A. age 6 born AR > >John W. age 4 born AR (my grandfather who died young leaving 4 orphaned > children) > >Madora age 1 born AR (great-uncle who raised my father and his siblings- he > died in 1937 and we did > > not know he was a twin) > >Senore age 1 born AR > >Francis Brasherse age 57 born TN (mother-in-law) > >Francis Freeman age 13 born TN (niece) > >Thomas Freeman age 11 born TN > >Sarah Freeman age 8 born AR (niece) > > > >Today, I am a very happy person. > > > >Things I already knew: > > > >John W (Wesley) Hunter grew up and married Laura Irene Williams. He and > this brother Dora (Madora) who married Ida Offil?, moved to TX. John W and > Laura died abt 1917 TX (possibly Morris Co) leaving my father and his > siblings to be raised by Dora and Ida. > > > >I would love to have additional information if anyone has further info. > Anyone from TN missing Hunters? > > > >Ginger > >[email protected] > > > > > >from some one who is very happy for you! > from shirley hunter from up in new england.... > > > >

Thank you all for your kind wishes. It is so great to share my excitement with people who share my passion (surely all of you have family and friends who think you are crazy?). My search continues....maybe I will find out that YOU are my elusive relative! "HUNTER"ing for my roots! Ginger -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 9:11 PM Subject: [HUNTER-L] James S Hunter, TN/AR >Yea!! After months of searching, I finally have my great-grandfather. (I cheated, I hired a research firm

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 9:15 PM Subject: [HUNTER-L] James S Hunter, TN/AR >Yea!! After months of searching, I finally have my great-grandfather. (I cheated, I hired a research firm). Here is what I have: > >1880 Census Yell Co, Arkansas > >James S. Hunter age 25 born TN >Malisie A. age 24 born TN >Emma? A. age 6 born AR >John W. age 4 born AR (my grandfather who died young leaving 4 orphaned children) >Madora age 1 born AR (great-uncle who raised my father and his siblings- he died in 1937 and we did > not know he was a twin) >Senore age 1 born AR >Francis Brasherse age 57 born TN (mother-in-law) >Francis Freeman age 13 born TN (niece) >Thomas Freeman age 11 born TN >Sarah Freeman age 8 born AR (niece) > >Today, I am a very happy person. > >Things I already knew: > >John W (Wesley) Hunter grew up and married Laura Irene Williams. He and this brother Dora (Madora) who married Ida Offil?, moved to TX. John W and Laura died abt 1917 TX (possibly Morris Co) leaving my father and his siblings to be raised by Dora and Ida. > >I would love to have additional information if anyone has further info. Anyone from TN missing Hunters? > >Ginger >[email protected] > > >from some one who is very happy for you! from shirley hunter from up in new england.... > >

Yea!! After months of searching, I finally have my great-grandfather. (I cheated, I hired a research firm). Here is what I have: 1880 Census Yell Co, Arkansas James S. Hunter age 25 born TN Malisie A. age 24 born TN Emma? A. age 6 born AR John W. age 4 born AR (my grandfather who died young leaving 4 orphaned children) Madora age 1 born AR (great-uncle who raised my father and his siblings- he died in 1937 and we did not know he was a twin) Senore age 1 born AR Francis Brasherse age 57 born TN (mother-in-law) Francis Freeman age 13 born TN (niece) Thomas Freeman age 11 born TN Sarah Freeman age 8 born AR (niece) Today, I am a very happy person. Things I already knew: John W (Wesley) Hunter grew up and married Laura Irene Williams. He and this brother Dora (Madora) who married Ida Offil?, moved to TX. John W and Laura died abt 1917 TX (possibly Morris Co) leaving my father and his siblings to be raised by Dora and Ida. I would love to have additional information if anyone has further info. Anyone from TN missing Hunters? Ginger [email protected]

Hello, I have a Robert G. Hunter., b. 1856, d. 1935., buried in Oakwood cemetery., Kosciusko Co., Warsaw, Indiana. Robert married Mary Lang. They had three children who where: (a.) William L. Hunter, b. 1884. d. 1955. (b.) Mary Hunter, b. June, 1889. d. 1981. (c.) Arthur Lee Hunter, b. May, 1899. d. 1952. The children named here are also buried in Oakwood Cemetery, Warsaw, Indiana. Have no proof on where this family lived, My Father state that thier from Michigan. Robert G. Hunter is my G.Grandfather, Family story says he's of Scottish descent? Don't know of his parents, or siblings. Really could use some Help. June 12, 1860 census, Wayne Co., is the closes i've seen sofar! But I see there a 2 year difference of the Robert in the census. Appreciate any info! Thank you, Cliff Hunter II -----Original Message----- From: jak6241 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, September 26, 1999 7:55 PM Subject: [HUNTER-L] John HUNTER Scotland>Canada>MI 1828-1870's >Still seeking decendants of John HUNTER: >JOHN HUNTER was born Abt. 1830 in Scotland, and died 1870-1880. He married >ISOBEL KING Abt. 1852, daughter of JOHN KING and MARTHA CRICHTON. >Notes for JOHN HUNTER: >1858 Dec 06 Land Deal in Sanilac Co. MI: Address listed as "Wayne Co." >1859 Oct 10 Land Deal in Sanilac Co. MI: Address listed as "Wayne Co." >1860 Jun 12 Census for Wayne Co; John Hunter/Isabella; Robt. 6; Wm 3 >1865 Mar 02 Land Deal in Sanilac Co. MI: Address listed as "Wayne Co." >1869 Nov 27 Land Deal in Sanilac Co. MI: Address listed as "Wayne Co." >1870 Jun 7 Census for Wayne Co; John Hunter/Isabella; Robert 16; Wm. 12 > >These PARISH RECORDS are possibly his parents and siblings? >1825 Anne, born to: Hunter, Robert & King, Isobell PR12 >1827 Robert, born to: Hunter, Robert & King, Isobell PR11 >1828 John, born to: Hunter, Robert & King, Isobell PR15 > >

Hunter-Kilarney, Ireland / Toronto, Canada / PA Patrick Hunter, b. Kilarney, Co. Kerry, Ireland, March 17, 1856, d. September 22, 1921, Olean, Cattaragus County, NY (south of Buffalo, NY). Parents were ISAAC SAMUEL HUNTER and Margaret DOYLE. Siblings were: William HUNTER, b. 1855; and Margaret HUNTER Jones. Patrick immigrated to Toronto between 1879-1882. Worked as a tailor and owned a shop on Queen St. West. Moved to Washington, PA (Pittsburgh) with his wife Mary KEATING (1861-1950) m. 1888, by 1892. Patrick's five children: Teresa HUNTER Donigan (1893-1978); John Joseph HUNTER (1894 or 1895-1932); William (Bill) HUNTER (1896-1943); Frances HUNTER ("Frank," female) (1897-1986); and Kathleen ("Tiny") HUNTER Eppler (1900-1954). Patrick and Mary Keating also lived in Titusville, Oil City and Tidoute, PA, before moving to Olean, NY. Looking for information on Patrick's parents, ISAAC SAMUEL HUNTER AND MARGARET DOYLE. Places and dates of birth, marriage and whether they immigrated. Also looking for any other information relating to the above information. Thank you! m.e.hunter

Hello to all from Oz. I am new to the Hunter list, and am just beginning my search for my Hunter ancestors but do not have any knowledge of the family history. My gmother, Elsie Alice Rae Hunter was born in 1883 in Victoria the youngest of 10. Her parents were James Hunter and Alenna Moore who were married in Moonee Ponds, Victoria in 1860. On their marriage certificate it states they were both born in County Antrim, Ireland. James occupation was listed as farmer, and Alenna as Lady. His parents were John Hunter (farmer) and .... Bay (this name is not particularly clear). Alenna's parents were Patrick Moore and Jane McMut.y (could be McMutry). The witnesses were Jane Moore, either her mother or sister and David Hunter (possibly a brother). Can anyone help me? Is it possible to use the IGI on the internet to research Irish counties, and if so, is there a batch number for County Antrim. I look forward to hearing from you. Regards Diane Researching: Pascoe / Wearne / Bowden / Perry / Bolitho / Evans / Phillips / Pellow / George / Combellack / Chegwidden / Glasson / Opie / Richards / Harris / Williams / Knuckey / Rule in Cornwall Mason / Lillycrapp in Devon Schuldt / Lemp / Jung / Seulberg / Emmel in Germany

Hunter-Kilarney, Ireland / Toronto, Canada / PA Patrick Hunter, b. Kilarney, Co. Kerry, Ireland, March 17, 1856, d. September 22, 1921, Olean, Cattaragus County, NY (south of Buffalo, NY). Parents were ISAAC SAMUEL HUNTER and Margaret DOYLE. Siblings were: William HUNTER, b. 1855; and Margaret HUNTER Jones. Patrick immigrated to Toronto between 1879-1882. Worked as a tailor and owned a shop on Queen St. West. Moved to Washington, PA (Pittsburgh) with his wife Mary KEATING (1861-1950) m. 1888, by 1892. Patrick's five children: Teresa HUNTER Donigan (1893-1978); John Joseph HUNTER (1894 or 1895-1932); William (Bill) HUNTER (1896-1943); Frances HUNTER ("Frank," female) (1897-1986); and Kathleen ("Tiny") HUNTER Eppler (1900-1954). Patrick and Mary Keating also lived in Titusville, Oil City and Tidoute, PA, before moving to Olean, NY. Looking for information on Patrick's parents, ISAAC SAMUEL HUNTER AND MARGARET DOYLE. Places and dates of birth, marriage and whether they immigrated. Also looking for any other information relating to the above information. Thank you! m.e.hunter

Tom, the Jesse (W) Hunter that Pam was speaking of was born 2 Apr 1840 in Rushville, Schuyler, Illinois. Six of his children were born in Missouri. Most of this information is available on the web off www.4udesigns.com (my main website). There is a link called the descendants of John Hunter. Most of that is there. Hope this helps. Let me know if you are related. I am working on next summer's Hunter Reunion. Jim Hunter, American Fork, Utah. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas J Bell <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [HUNTER-L] Re: Hunter/Jaeger > Do you have any information on place and date of birth of Jesse Hunter. My > Hunter family lived in NW Missouri settling there in the 1820's. Brothers > Henry and William first lived in Ray and Clay Counties. Eventually, they > moved into DeKalb and Harrison CO. Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 7:05 AM > Subject: Re: [HUNTER-L] Re: Hunter/Jaeger > > > > Hello...here's what I have: > > Jesse Hunter 1840, married to Susan Staggs > > Charles E Dalton, married to Maggie Lewis > > William Lee Hunter, 1876, Carollton, MO, died Santa Monica, CA 1959 > > married to Melinda Ethel Dalton, 1881, died 1919 in Glenwood, IA > > Floyd Watson Hunter, July 19, 1903, died Jan 14, 1991 in Illinois (my > > grandfather) (1 of 6 children, including George Hunter...don't have all > the > > names but I can get those) > > married to Pauline Florence Talley, 2-7-07 died 8-82 in Illinois (my > > grandmother, I believe 1 of 5 and she was a twin. Her twin (boy) died at > a > > young age.) > > Children of Floyd and Pauline: Barbara Nell (my mother) 10/4/30, Donna > Lee > > 6/24/39 - 1/72 and Karen Kay 2/18/40. > > Children of Barbara Nell: Pamela Katherine, Michael Paul and Robert Glenn > > Barbara married to Robert Weber, 11/25/50, div 1958 > > Barbara remarried to Charles Phillip Forrest and children: Charles Milton, > > Phillip Royster and Amanda Jo. > > Barbara also had a child between the marriages: Gregory Rini > > That brings me current to myself and siblings. > > > > Hope this helps and you can understand what I put together...it's a bit > early > > here and I'm not quite awake. > > Pam > > > > > >

Do you have any information on place and date of birth of Jesse Hunter. My Hunter family lived in NW Missouri settling there in the 1820's. Brothers Henry and William first lived in Ray and Clay Counties. Eventually, they moved into DeKalb and Harrison CO. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [HUNTER-L] Re: Hunter/Jaeger > Hello...here's what I have: > Jesse Hunter 1840, married to Susan Staggs > Charles E Dalton, married to Maggie Lewis > William Lee Hunter, 1876, Carollton, MO, died Santa Monica, CA 1959 > married to Melinda Ethel Dalton, 1881, died 1919 in Glenwood, IA > Floyd Watson Hunter, July 19, 1903, died Jan 14, 1991 in Illinois (my > grandfather) (1 of 6 children, including George Hunter...don't have all the > names but I can get those) > married to Pauline Florence Talley, 2-7-07 died 8-82 in Illinois (my > grandmother, I believe 1 of 5 and she was a twin. Her twin (boy) died at a > young age.) > Children of Floyd and Pauline: Barbara Nell (my mother) 10/4/30, Donna Lee > 6/24/39 - 1/72 and Karen Kay 2/18/40. > Children of Barbara Nell: Pamela Katherine, Michael Paul and Robert Glenn > Barbara married to Robert Weber, 11/25/50, div 1958 > Barbara remarried to Charles Phillip Forrest and children: Charles Milton, > Phillip Royster and Amanda Jo. > Barbara also had a child between the marriages: Gregory Rini > That brings me current to myself and siblings. > > Hope this helps and you can understand what I put together...it's a bit early > here and I'm not quite awake. > Pam > >

Hello...here's what I have: Jesse Hunter 1840, married to Susan Staggs Charles E Dalton, married to Maggie Lewis William Lee Hunter, 1876, Carollton, MO, died Santa Monica, CA 1959 married to Melinda Ethel Dalton, 1881, died 1919 in Glenwood, IA Floyd Watson Hunter, July 19, 1903, died Jan 14, 1991 in Illinois (my grandfather) (1 of 6 children, including George Hunter...don't have all the names but I can get those) married to Pauline Florence Talley, 2-7-07 died 8-82 in Illinois (my grandmother, I believe 1 of 5 and she was a twin. Her twin (boy) died at a young age.) Children of Floyd and Pauline: Barbara Nell (my mother) 10/4/30, Donna Lee 6/24/39 - 1/72 and Karen Kay 2/18/40. Children of Barbara Nell: Pamela Katherine, Michael Paul and Robert Glenn Barbara married to Robert Weber, 11/25/50, div 1958 Barbara remarried to Charles Phillip Forrest and children: Charles Milton, Phillip Royster and Amanda Jo. Barbara also had a child between the marriages: Gregory Rini That brings me current to myself and siblings. Hope this helps and you can understand what I put together...it's a bit early here and I'm not quite awake. Pam

Pamela, Give me some dates and possibly locations on these HUNTERS. I have two different Floyd HUNTERS in my data base. One of them died as a small child. The other has children who carry the Floyd name as a second name. Bobbie > > Excellent site...all of them. Tracy, we are cousins! I printed out the > primenet info and will be looking at it...hopefully my grandfather Floyd will > be on it. He's 6th generation Hunter (521i) and his father was William Lee > (399). Seems that all the sites I go to, the info stops at my grandfather. > I would love to complete the information with my grandmother's name and my > aunts, cousins, etc. Any suggestions as to how to update everyone? I feel > like the black sheep side of the family...LOL! (Just kidding, really) > Pamela