In a message dated 7/12/2005 11:23:58 PM US Eastern Standard Time, rregene@hotmail.com writes: >>>>b: 7/15/1885 (possibly 1884), Udvari, HU.<><<<< The church records for two different locations in Hungary named Udvari are available at any LDS local Family History Center. (and in the main library at Salt Lake City of course). You can rent these films, they are shipped to your local center and you use the microfilm equipment to view the films. To identify these films, the entire LDS Family History Library Catalogue is online. _http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp) Use the option that says Place Search -- type in Udvari only. Here is the brief description of the records available for each place. Reformed Church register of births, marriages and deaths for Udvari, later called Sárrétudvari - 1765-1885 Civil registrations after 1895 are also available on microfilm also Jewish records for 1877 to 1895 Evangelical Church registers and transcripts of baptisms, marriages and deaths for Varsád, Tolna, Hungary. Includes affiliated town of Udvari, Tolna, Hungary. 1722-1895 also Civil Regsitrations for Udvari only 1895 to 1903. If he was born in Udvari, Hungary, there is a good chance you'll find his family in one of these record sets. >>>After seeing that the WW1 Draft records were being made available for a short time (thanks for posting this tidbit) I tried, again, to find something that would give me a lead on my Paternal Grandfather.>>> Uhmm . . I think I didn't pay attention to the post about this . .so I don't know IF the entire set of records is actually online or not . .I know that the complete record set IS NOT available at ancestry.com, but many people use it as if it is because they don't read the description of the record set. Your gf would have been the correct age to register based on the birth date provided. Since it seems he may have moved around alot, the best suggestion I can come up with is that you visit a library that has the complete set of NARA WWI Draft Registration microfilms. There is one in Ft Wayne, IN genealogy library that I used for research. Found everyone in the family. An alternative is to rent films (could get VERY expensive) from the LDS which also has a complete set of the NARA films. It's interesting that you remark that no one in your family talked about your gf, but yet someone in your family had to have given the information that showed up on a Death Cert. you mention. Two additional ideas, look for probate records at the Court of Milwaukee county where he died. They have excellent records, but not online. Also, the Milwaukee Historical Society has historical city directories (as does the Ft. Wayne library). Look for an obituary for him, and for his wife. Also, have you inquired about his Social Security registration? The SS5 form will give the names of his parents, and where he was born. Because of his age, it is unlikely he will be in the online database -- BUT, you can do a FOI request ($27) to the Social Security admin. and if he had a social security number (likely unless he was a farmer or railroad worker), you'll get the information. Go to the SS Admin web site for instructions of how to request this. You may find other microfilm records that would contain information about him through using the LDS Family History Library Catalogue -- the thing that lists the 2 million books and microfilms of records held by the LDS in Salt Lake. Use the Place Search option for where he lived at various times, and find out what records might possibly contain information about him that have been microfilmed which you can then rent and view at a local Family History Center. Regards Linda