Amen, Joe! After reading the original message, I was simply at a loss for words. You put most eloquently the way I feel. At this time in history, we need someone at the helm who is willing to take the unpopular stance, have the courage of his convictions, and ensure our safety as a nation. Now let's get back to Hungarian genealogy. I am a first generation American with extensive family in Hungary and I am proud of my heritage. Diane Galante Crystal River, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Soos" <jnsbear@yahoo.com> To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] Bush's speech > Thanks for your point of view, Elaine, on a list dedicated to something > else. > > Think we've lost a bunch of freedoms? Take a look at how those laws are > helping to keep us safer came to be. They were passed by Congress and > many have already been tested in one court or the other. > > If you really want to see laws and powers that took away rights, try > looking at Mr. Lincoln in the US Civil War and those invoked by FDR in > World War II. > > The interesting thing about such critiques as yours is you have not > offered an alternative to keep us safe. If you want to see the US go > nuts, wait till you see a dirty bomb, bio or chemical attacks on a large > scale or a city or two get vaporized with a real nuclear weapon. Between > the President and bin Laden, I'll take the Prez. > > Stay safe, Sis. > > Joe > > JOSEPH N. SOOS, SR. > REMEMBER - September 11, 2001 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "polloe@earthlink.net" <polloe@earthlink.net> > To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:17:29 AM > Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] Bush's speech > > > Warning!!!! What follows is a comment about American's current political > condition from one Citizen's perspective, mine. IF you do not enjoy > Genealogy within a socioeconomic political perspective, you might prefer > to > not read this posting. :) > **************************************************************************** > **************************** > > Well I put a copy of Bush's speech in my Socioeconomic, political file for > future generations of family members to read. > > Of course, I feel obligated to also leave a note in this same file, that > at > the same time Pres. Bush is talking to the Hungarian people about Freedom, > and that the USA is proclaiming Freedom for the Iraqi people, this same > President, is also taking Freedoms AWAY FROM American Citizens. The > American government NOW feels they HAVE THE RIGHT to enter into Citizens > private affairs without a legal search warrant. They also believe they > have > the right to detain Citizens WITHOUT Due Process of the American Court > System. The LOSE of these Freedoms in the USA since the 911 Attacks has > been VERY FAR REACHING. As American Citizen we are told this IS for OUR > Safety. > > Those familiar with the psychology of Propaganda and it's insidious > "Double > Speak", will clearly see this for what it is. It is very possible that > those on this List from Central Europe will see this for what it is, far > more easily than those of us in the USA!! Why, because the taste of abuse > of Power is more familiar to those in Central & Eastern Europe. If someone > is over 30 years old in Central or Eastern Europe, they have lived a part > of their lives under a government that abused it's power. > > Since 2001, the Bush Administration has been systematically eroading the > foundation of basic rights guarenteed to American Citizens through our > Constitution and Bill of Rights. Citizens and political leaders that > question these tactics are called "Un-american"!!!! Actually, in the USA > we currently see little public discussion/ debate about these issues. WHY > are American Citizens sitting back and ALLOWING these Freedoms/ Rights to > be taken away by the Power of an Adminisrative "Classified" Memo????? > > In my opinion, it seems that many American Citizens are so "drunk" > (sedated) with our prosperity, that we don't even blink an eye when basic > Freedoms are taken away. Why, because economically we are Fat & Satisfied. > It runs across political parties. Think back to what former Pres. Clinton > said after the 911 Attacks. Loose translation, "Go about your normal > lives. > Don't change life because of what happen on 911". What did Clinton mean by > this? He meant, "Don't stop spending $$$$$. Keep spending $$$$ like you > did > before 911". Reason, otherwise, America would have an instant depression. > No one wants that, so do your "civic duty", and spend $$$$ > > At some point, American Citizens will wake-up and see what has happened to > our Basic Freedoms. Then America might need a "1956 revolt". Guess what, > the American Military WILL be mobilized to quelch such a "Revolt"!!!! > We'll see tanks in American streets too. You don't think it can happen > here > in America, watch!!! When the economy tanks ( goes down), and Americans > wake from their "stooper" , there will be mass unrest. The governmental > responce will be mass arrests. It's at this time, Americans will "wake-up" > from their "Fat Economic Stooper" to see the Basic Rights and Freedoms we > have let slip away!!!! At that point the Patriot Act passed by the > American Congress and Senate after the 911 attacks, will now be used on > American Citizens. By participating in mass "Protests", these Citizens > will be seen as "Subversive". Since they are seen as "Subversives", they > will soon find out that their Due Process to the American Court System was > elliminated under the Patriot Act!!!!! > > Our Legistlative branch of govenment is just beginning to question the > Bush > Administation. Slowly they are waking up and seeing that the Balance of > Power has dramatically shifted since 911. The Executive Branch of the Bush > Administation has become FAR TO POWERFULL since 911. The Legislative > Branch > has lost MUCH POWER since 911. Fortunitly, Legislators from the Presidents > own Party are beginning to question the lack of balance in power since > 911. > So as one Citizen in America, I have hope that our Balence of Power can be > restored without a "revolt". That's the "Grace" in a Free Governmental > Process. Free govenments have an ability to use non-violent political > discussion/ debate to arrive at a consensious of opinion. If the citizens > are not happy with the direction their elected representatives are going, > they can elect others to those offices. This process works best when > citizens are active participants in the process. When they vote. When they > share their thoughts and opinions with their Senators & Legislators at the > state and national level. When they contact the President. Unfortunitly > many of us in the USA take our freedom for granted. Few actively > participate in our own FREE political process. I bet if you surveyed > Hungarians who became American Citizens after the 1956 uprising in > Hungary, > you would find a higher % of those who voted than the general American > Citizen. Why, because Freedom is VERY valuable to them. They know first > hand what it means NOT to be Free. > > Hopefully, our governmental process WILL work. For it to work, there MUST > be public discussion. So to those who will say to an Email like this: > "Let's not talk Politics on a Genealogy List". I say in responce, the > world > is not one dimentional. Please allow those who see Genealogy as more > encompusing than, who was born when and when did they die, to share > thoughts, ideas & opinions about topics that relate to the world our > ancestors lived in or we currently live in. Above ALL else, let's NOT > discourage Freedom of Speech amongst those who research genealogy in a > part > of the world that has endured MUCH oppression in our own life time. > > Thanks for listening. > > I'm interested in hearing from others their perspectives on past & > current socioeconomic- political conditions. Personally, I would very > much > welcome hearing the thought and opinions of those who currently live in > Central Europe. > > Elaine > > PS: > To those of you who are Republicans, please do not label me as just > another > "Bush Basher". I have grave concerns about the direction this > administation > is taking OUR country.As a citizen, I have every right to express my > concerns and to have them taken seriously. We NEED discussion in this > country, not reteric from either political party. I hope those in the > broader Republican Party will look at what is REALLY happening here and > begin to ask questions in their party. Begin to seek fresh approaches. > Restore the Balance of Power between the Executive Branch and the > Legislative Branch. For the record, I'm not a Demicrate either. I'm an > Independent. Yes, a dreaded Independent. Yes, I Vote! I'm VERY displeased > with the shift of power in OUR country. I'm VERY concerned about this > current Adminisrations OBVIOUS actions that clearly deminsrate that they > see themselves ABOVE THE LAW of this country. Honestly, how could any > reasonable person not see this blatant disregard for the Balance of Power > built into OUR founding documents. Let's get real!!! This is serious > stuff!!! > > Elaine > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Janet Kozlay <kozlay@comcast.net> >> To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 6/23/2006 8:20:51 AM >> Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] Bush's speech >> >> You can read the text of Bush's speech in Budapest, as released by his >> Office of the Press Secretary, at >> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/06/20060622-6.html. I say >> "as >> released," because the written text is not quite accurate. >> >> I was appalled when I read that he and Laura had made a visit to "Hokok >> Square . . . Hokok Square is named for the father of Hungarian >> democracy." >> Hokok? Fortunately I was able to hear the actual speech on C-SPAN, and > Bush >> made proper reference to Kossuth. Someone in the Press Secretary's office >> needs to have his ears boxed, and perhaps taught a little about Hungary's >> history. >> >> Janet >> >> > > > > > > >