When my gr- grandparent's eldest son died , there was a funeral picture taken of the family standing around the coffin of the deceased 7 years old boy  and my gr-grandmother , Mary Nagy , is wearing the same headdress as well . This is in Toledo , Ohio ( Birmingham Hungarian neighborhood ) in 1911.  Perhaps the combination of that " pillbox " hat is an American addition to the traditional black  bubushka tied tightly around the chin ?  By the way , I was in microfilms of 1869  census and  some church records in Jablonca , Hungary ( now Silicka Jablonnica , Slovakia - about five miles from the border of Hungary ) and the name TIMKO stands out.  Also on the actual ship record with my aforementioned ancestor , Mary Stirminczky  is traveling with Janos Timko , age 25 , from Jablonca , who is meeting his brother , Josef Timko , in " Big Russ. " (?) , PA. This is in 1898 .   Is Borai the same name as Boras ?? I have 1900 Detroit , Wayne Co, MI . census ( the Hungarian Del Ray section ) with a male Boras in there .    Magda    [email protected]    researching : Nagy , Szabo /Sebo ,Stirminczky ,Lorincz , Ladikovsky, Mescz , Plachetka, Rakai, Haluska    --- On Tue, 10/28/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: HUNGARY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 335 To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 3:00 AM Today's Topics: 1. Re: genealogy workshop/ideas ([email protected]) 2. Hungarian clothing (marys1015) 3. Re: Hungarian clothing (Bette Butcher Topp) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:04:25 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HUNGARY] genealogy workshop/ideas To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" In a message dated 10/26/2008 10:03:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Dear listers, I am so greatful that you are all out there!!! My local Hungarian club invited me to come talk about heading up a committee to determine how such a workshop would be run. A few years ago a scottish society held a workshop and for the fee, everyone got a notebook full of information. They had maps of scotland with the origins of the clans and this map was dated. But with Hungary's borders changing (more than once, am I correct?) I thought it would be good to show the different maps for the different time periods, ending with a present day map that is printed on a clear plastic sheet that could be used as an overlay onto the othere maps...am I describing this clearly? picture a standard size 3 ring school binder, with one section just called maps maybe...I work in a school and I know teachers can run off these plastic sheets in the copy machine...does anyone have such maps that I could reproduce? I would gladly pay. or a suggestion of a book that has such a thing that I could reproduce? and, is there such a map that shows common name areas? did that occur in Hungary as with the clans in scotland? also, is there a knowledgeable genealogist out there who would be willing to come to connecticut and give a lecture about how to find your relatives? we are thing of late spring as it would take a long time to get this well developed. someone had mentioned having a large map posted on an easel. that would be good, but where would I get one? Also, I have seen maps of Hungary with crests around the country..what are the crests for? for names of families or counties or regions? also, are there maps of the different religions? any ideas would be greatful. I am very excited about this...please help me think of ideas, and reference groups, clubs, etc. that could be included in this book... thank you all so much! Jay Farrell Jay, some suggestions: (l.) Contact your State Government for a "free" genealogy speaker. Here is one site for contacts, but you will have to negotiate which are free _http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctpgc/guide.html#Speakers_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctpgc/guide.html#Speakers) Contact your local historical society for "free" genealogy speakers. (2.) I noticed on another site a Kim Formika specializes in Hungary. You'll have to do more research to find her. Click on Hungary - Ethnic Specialties _http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctpgc/guide.html_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctpgc/guide.html) (3.) Extrapolate some county town/city names _http://www.hungarianvillagefinder.com/_ (http://www.hungarianvillagefinder.com/) (4.) The most frequent Hungarian surnames _http://www.bogardi.com/gen/g065.htm_ (http://www.bogardi.com/gen/g065.htm) (5.) About Hungarian names, frequent names, etc. _http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1336/magyar16.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1336/magyar16.html) (6.) Map sites - couldn't get this to download - try your search engine _http://lazarus.elte.hu/gb/maps/movaros.htm_ (http://lazarus.elte.hu/gb/maps/movaros.htm) Home: _http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wghungar/maps/index.html_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wghungar/maps/index.html) This is a good map: _http://lazarus.elte.hu/gb/maps/mo-full.gif_ (http://lazarus.elte.hu/gb/maps/mo-full.gif) (7.) List of common surnames _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_family_names#Hungary_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_family_names#Hungary) Do your own sandwich board, sized for your map. Again, I would suggest using the push-pin method for attendees to identify their own towns. There is something about making direct contact with a map that gives one a sense of connection. Although, I think one poster advised another system that sounded like it might work well. Staples will size a map up to newspaper size (single side) for about $2.00. Keep your sheets of various spellings of Hungary's towns near the map for lookups. Good Luck! Marika **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics ? check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:30:05 -0400 From: "marys1015" <[email protected]> Subject: [HUNGARY] Hungarian clothing To: "Hungary" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Listers, I recently received a photograph of one of my Hungarian great-grandmothers. Anna (Sztolyar-Hvizsdtsak) TIMKO/BORAI, was born 1858 in Hardicsa, Zemplen Megye, Hungary (Zemplin Hardiste, Slovakia). The picture, taken in a studio about 1910, shows her with her daughter Maria TIMKO, age 17, and two BORAI step-daughters. The step-daughters appear to be about 7 and 10 years old. Her second husband, Andrew BORAI, is not in the picture. Great-grandmother is 52 years old. She is wearing a long black dress and what appears to be a pillbox hat covering the front of her hair under a headscarf. The headscarf is tied very neatly and frames her face. I've seen pictures of other Hungarian ladies with similar head coverings and dressed in black. I'm wondering if she is wearing a traditional morning outfit. I don't know when her second husband, Mr. Borai, died. Please tell me about the dress and head covering worn by women in this time period. Thank you very much. Best Regards, Mary Nagy Timko, Sztolyar, Hvizsdtsak, Stolyar, Hvizdak, Borai ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:57:04 -0700 From: "Bette Butcher Topp" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HUNGARY] Hungarian clothing To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have one of a cousin's grandmother dressed that way. Bette ----- Original Message ----- From: "marys1015" <[email protected]> To: "Hungary" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: [HUNGARY] Hungarian clothing > Hello Listers, > > I recently received a photograph of one of my Hungarian > great-grandmothers. Anna (Sztolyar-Hvizsdtsak) TIMKO/BORAI, was born 1858 > in Hardicsa, Zemplen Megye, Hungary (Zemplin Hardiste, Slovakia). The > picture, taken in a studio about 1910, shows her with her daughter Maria > TIMKO, age 17, and two BORAI step-daughters. The step-daughters appear to > be about 7 and 10 years old. Her second husband, Andrew BORAI, is not in > the picture. > > Great-grandmother is 52 years old. She is wearing a long black dress and > what appears to be a pillbox hat covering the front of her hair under a > headscarf. The headscarf is tied very neatly and frames her face. I've > seen pictures of other Hungarian ladies with similar head coverings and > dressed in black. > > I'm wondering if she is wearing a traditional morning outfit. I don't know > when her second husband, Mr. Borai, died. Please tell me about the dress > and head covering worn by women in this time period. > > Thank you very much. > > Best Regards, > Mary Nagy > > Timko, Sztolyar, Hvizsdtsak, Stolyar, Hvizdak, Borai > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the HUNGARY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the HUNGARY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of HUNGARY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 335 ***************************************