I am sorry; I should probably clarify what I am trying to find out. In my last post I referred to how the land and boundaries of Hungary appear so different on maps now vs. then, which complicates the tiny amount of information I have. The problem is that while I visited my grandmother in Budapest several times when I was young, and have had my father's brother visit us here several times in the states, I always felt it was not ok to ask; from my father it was clear it was a terrible time and no one wanted to speak about it. Unfortunately now that my father has passed away, I just want to find anything on a map that I can see as his hometown, the family's farm land....anything. I will be going through some old papers with my mother next week to try and find a birthplace or town or any other family names. I have my father's coat of arms on a ring he & my mother had made, but cannot find any reference to our family name, crest or coat of arms on any online directory. I believe that the uncle I have in Budapest had a son, who may have had 2 boys also, which could account for several of the Moczar's found. I guess what I wanted to know is where they came from (my grandfather, etc); I think I recall the area being near Sezged but past that I have nothing. Thank you...Andrea **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001)

Andrea, to be certain where the family came from and whether they had land or 'property', i.e. a larger estate (and/or arable land), try to find in your Dad's estate relevant documents, passports, birth- or marriage certificates, old letters, pictures - anything that will show or relate to his place of birth. Of course the easiest way would be to ask the uncle, or try to pick up contact with his children. People living in Budapest during the communist era usually did not have estates scattered about the country (except for a small place near spots where people spent on vacation maybe); but if you go back far enough of course you should find ancestors as land owners of smaller or larger sizes. The land offices of the county seats are open offices where anybody can look up ownership of parcels, provided they supply the necessary coordinate #'s, under which the office keeps those parcels listed. Which is a rather complicated system and only ownership documents will show those reference #'s. So it's a catch 22 situation. But just like the deeds show here, many (most) pieces of land changed owners throughout history. The communist system confiscated incredible amount of land, which was then distributed (usually) to the people who worked on them. Some of these confiscations were reversed after 1989; in other cases they 'compensated' the previous owners for them - usually for a pittance of the value of the land in question. But those 'correction' time frames have been closed and nobody can reclaim anything any more (this goes for most of the countries under communist rule also). Once you find his place of birth (and you know when he was born), you can request official birth certificate via the consulate assigned to your place of residence (Washington, D.C., New York or Los Angeles (http://www.traveldocs.com/hu/embassy.htm) which will show his parents' names ... or ask your uncle to secure one for you; in Hungary it will be less costly. And once you are beyond 1895, LDS (the Mormon church) will help you trace his (and your) ancestry here by you going to one of their Family History Centers (FHC) and looking for and studying the vast collection of church book microfilms they amassed in their genealogical library. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA [email protected] [email protected] wrote: > I am sorry; I should probably clarify what I am trying to find out. In > my last post I referred to how the land and boundaries of Hungary > appear so different on maps now vs. then, which complicates the tiny > amount of information I have. The problem is that while I visited my > grandmother in Budapest several times when I was young, and have had > my father's brother visit us here several times in the states, I > always felt it was not ok to ask; from my father it was clear it was a > terrible time and no one wanted to speak about it. > > Unfortunately now that my father has passed away, I just want to find > anything on a map that I can see as his hometown, the family's farm > land....anything. I will be going through some old papers with my > mother next week to try and find a birthplace or town or any other > family names. I have my father's coat of arms on a ring he & my mother > had made, but cannot find any reference to our family name, crest or > coat of arms on any online directory. > > I believe that the uncle I have in Budapest had a son, who may have > had 2 boys also, which could account for several of the Moczar's > found. I guess what I wanted to know is where they came from (my > grandfather, etc); I think I recall the area being near Sezged but > past that I have nothing. Thank you...Andrea