The Hammond Times Oct. 13, 1968 Indiana GOLDEN ANNIVERSARIES MARKED Mr. and Mrs. JOHN BALOG (wife Violet MALATINKA) Former East Chicago residents, Mr. and Mrs. John BALOG of Burnsville, Miss., returned to the Calumet region for a celebration of their 50th wedding anniversary. They were married Sept. 15, 1918 in Detroit, Michigan, and live in the area for 45 years. Two hundred relatives and friends attended a dinner-reception in their honor in the Whiting Elks Clubrooms. The celebration was given by their children, John A. BALOG of Griffith, Roy BALOG of Highland, Chester of South Bend, Clarence BALOG of Whiting and Mrs. Arthur (Dorothy) FORTENER of Whiting, David and Mrs. Vincent (Jane) ELIAS of East Chicago and Mrs. John (Mildred) CUMMINGS of Burnsville. They have 20 grandchildren. Out-of-town relatives among the guests included Mrs. BALOG'S brother-in-law and sisters, Mr. and Mrs. Adam DANGLER of Pasedena, Texas. Mr. and Mrs. Robert PARNELL of Youngstown Ohio, Mr. and Mrs. Paul STEURI of Chicago and Mr. and Mrs. Harold STAFF of Detroit. cheryl BALOG wenberg

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Re msg: <Here are two sites I can recommend. Romy www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm and www.bananatv.com/familytree> Appears to me this message is a promotion for a paid subscription web site. Is this Mailing List the proper place for this? Jerry

Roger, If your grandfather was suppose to be in the medical corp in WW1 perhaps you should look for men who were veterans. Perhaps you could find him thro those records. I believe the medical corp was part of the branches of service. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Regene" <rregene@hotmail.com> To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:23 AM Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Did My Grandfather exist at all? > Hello All, > > After seeing that the WW1 Draft records were being made available for a > short time (thanks for posting this tidbit) I tried, again, to find > something that would give me a lead on my Paternal Grandfather. I have > searched the Draft records and the Census using every name variation I > could think of; all to no avail. > > Sandor Regenyi / Alexander Regene > b: 7/15/1885 (possibly 1884), Udvari, HU. > d: 5/27/59, Milwaukie, WI. and is buried at the Wood National Cemetary. (I > have contacted the funeral homes in that area and there are no records). > The Death Certificate lists that, in WW1, he was a Private in the Medical > Corps. > > Arrived: Ellis Island, 3/21/09, onboard the Pannonia, that sailed from > Fiume'. > He was 5'5", black hair, brown eyes, dark complexion (I can't make out the > entry). > The manifest lists his age as 24 yrs. and that he had a wife, Raganyi > Sandorne', age 24 yrs. His destination is listed as a brother-in-law, > Janos Puskas, in Clarksburg, W.VA. > > He appears again, this time on the manifest of the SS Patricia, that > sailed from Bremen, DE, and arr.5/9/13. This time. his name is spelled > Sandor Regeniyi and he lists his age as 29. He listed a Lidine (sp?) > Regenyi in Udvari, HU. as his nearest relative. His destination is listed > as Scranton, PA., his trade as "Smith". It lists his previous stay in the > States as 1909 - 1912. > > He married Theresa Budroff/Rutroff, date/location unknown, from Rich > Fountain, MO. (she is verified on the 1920 census). > My father, Alexander Regene, Jr. (He later changed his name to Alex Henry > Regene), b: St.Louis, MO. d: 1994, Rockford, IL. > A younger brother, Albin, was b: Chicago, Il., in 1926. He also had an > older sister, "Marge" and another sister, "Annie". No details are known > about any of them. > > None in my family ever spoke of Sandor/Alexander. I have never seen a > photo of him, do not know his religion, etc. In fact, it was from my > father's death cerificate that I learned his name. My Grandmother, who > died when I was young, she never spoke of him either. > > This is all I have after five years and the frustration is almost > palpable. Can anyone help? > > Roger Regene > > >

Roger, I did a quick check on the Pannonia sailing for our Sandor Ragenyi and found that Sandor was born in Szatmarudvari. As a result, the records at the LDS will be of little help to you as the Udvari's mentioned in Linda's post are in Bihar and Tolna. Szatmarudvari was in Szatmar but now part of Romania and now known as Odoreu, Satu Mare, Romania. To my knowledge, there are no Parish records for Szatmarudvari (Odoreu) at the LDS. A year ago April I made a trip to Szatmarudvari (Odoreu) and researched my family. My father was born there. All the available Parish Records are in the National Archives in Satu Mare. It is my understanding that the Romanian Government has not given the LDS permission to film these records. I have found the only feasible ways to research the records in Satu Mare at the National Achieves are: 1) Through a Romanian citizen who is familiar with the records who should be able to easily gain access to the Archives. 2) Through a researcher that is pre registered with the Romanian Government for access to the Archives. The records are fairly complete and I have been able to trace several of family lines from Szatmarudvari and nearby villages back to the late 1700's using the available parish records. I will point out that a lot of time and effort can be saved in the search if you know the religion of the family you are researching. Each religion is in a different set of parish records, as would be expected. I started out with the Roman Catholic records as my family practiced this religion in the USA. I found that they practiced the Greco Catholic religion while in Hungary and until this was discovered, a lot of time was wasted searching the wrong parish books. One source that might be useful to you at the LDS is the film on the book of Szatmar Nobility. I mention this as your surname ends in "yi" which is a good indication that the family was of nobility. Before you get too excited, about ten percent of the families in Szatmar at the time were considered to be of nobility--a relatively common status. Please don't confuse nobility with royalty. Many families reached nobility status through military and other service. This status also did not at all indicate wealth, especially after the mid 1800's. My father's family were "of nobility" but dirt poor when they arrived in the USA. If I can be of any additional help in who you might research the records in Satu Mare, please feel free to email me directly. Jerry

In a message dated 7/12/2005 11:23:58 PM US Eastern Standard Time, rregene@hotmail.com writes: >>>>b: 7/15/1885 (possibly 1884), Udvari, HU.<><<<< The church records for two different locations in Hungary named Udvari are available at any LDS local Family History Center. (and in the main library at Salt Lake City of course). You can rent these films, they are shipped to your local center and you use the microfilm equipment to view the films. To identify these films, the entire LDS Family History Library Catalogue is online. _http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp) Use the option that says Place Search -- type in Udvari only. Here is the brief description of the records available for each place. Reformed Church register of births, marriages and deaths for Udvari, later called Sárrétudvari - 1765-1885 Civil registrations after 1895 are also available on microfilm also Jewish records for 1877 to 1895 Evangelical Church registers and transcripts of baptisms, marriages and deaths for Varsád, Tolna, Hungary. Includes affiliated town of Udvari, Tolna, Hungary. 1722-1895 also Civil Regsitrations for Udvari only 1895 to 1903. If he was born in Udvari, Hungary, there is a good chance you'll find his family in one of these record sets. >>>After seeing that the WW1 Draft records were being made available for a short time (thanks for posting this tidbit) I tried, again, to find something that would give me a lead on my Paternal Grandfather.>>> Uhmm . . I think I didn't pay attention to the post about this . .so I don't know IF the entire set of records is actually online or not . .I know that the complete record set IS NOT available at ancestry.com, but many people use it as if it is because they don't read the description of the record set. Your gf would have been the correct age to register based on the birth date provided. Since it seems he may have moved around alot, the best suggestion I can come up with is that you visit a library that has the complete set of NARA WWI Draft Registration microfilms. There is one in Ft Wayne, IN genealogy library that I used for research. Found everyone in the family. An alternative is to rent films (could get VERY expensive) from the LDS which also has a complete set of the NARA films. It's interesting that you remark that no one in your family talked about your gf, but yet someone in your family had to have given the information that showed up on a Death Cert. you mention. Two additional ideas, look for probate records at the Court of Milwaukee county where he died. They have excellent records, but not online. Also, the Milwaukee Historical Society has historical city directories (as does the Ft. Wayne library). Look for an obituary for him, and for his wife. Also, have you inquired about his Social Security registration? The SS5 form will give the names of his parents, and where he was born. Because of his age, it is unlikely he will be in the online database -- BUT, you can do a FOI request ($27) to the Social Security admin. and if he had a social security number (likely unless he was a farmer or railroad worker), you'll get the information. Go to the SS Admin web site for instructions of how to request this. You may find other microfilm records that would contain information about him through using the LDS Family History Library Catalogue -- the thing that lists the 2 million books and microfilms of records held by the LDS in Salt Lake. Use the Place Search option for where he lived at various times, and find out what records might possibly contain information about him that have been microfilmed which you can then rent and view at a local Family History Center. Regards Linda

Hello All, After seeing that the WW1 Draft records were being made available for a short time (thanks for posting this tidbit) I tried, again, to find something that would give me a lead on my Paternal Grandfather. I have searched the Draft records and the Census using every name variation I could think of; all to no avail. Sandor Regenyi / Alexander Regene b: 7/15/1885 (possibly 1884), Udvari, HU. d: 5/27/59, Milwaukie, WI. and is buried at the Wood National Cemetary. (I have contacted the funeral homes in that area and there are no records). The Death Certificate lists that, in WW1, he was a Private in the Medical Corps. Arrived: Ellis Island, 3/21/09, onboard the Pannonia, that sailed from Fiume'. He was 5'5", black hair, brown eyes, dark complexion (I can't make out the entry). The manifest lists his age as 24 yrs. and that he had a wife, Raganyi Sandorne', age 24 yrs. His destination is listed as a brother-in-law, Janos Puskas, in Clarksburg, W.VA. He appears again, this time on the manifest of the SS Patricia, that sailed from Bremen, DE, and arr.5/9/13. This time. his name is spelled Sandor Regeniyi and he lists his age as 29. He listed a Lidine (sp?) Regenyi in Udvari, HU. as his nearest relative. His destination is listed as Scranton, PA., his trade as "Smith". It lists his previous stay in the States as 1909 - 1912. He married Theresa Budroff/Rutroff, date/location unknown, from Rich Fountain, MO. (she is verified on the 1920 census). My father, Alexander Regene, Jr. (He later changed his name to Alex Henry Regene), b: St.Louis, MO. d: 1994, Rockford, IL. A younger brother, Albin, was b: Chicago, Il., in 1926. He also had an older sister, "Marge" and another sister, "Annie". No details are known about any of them. None in my family ever spoke of Sandor/Alexander. I have never seen a photo of him, do not know his religion, etc. In fact, it was from my father's death cerificate that I learned his name. My Grandmother, who died when I was young, she never spoke of him either. This is all I have after five years and the frustration is almost palpable. Can anyone help? Roger Regene

FYI -- I recently sent my G-639 Freedom of Information Act form in to my local office in Atlanta to get the naturalization records for some members of my family. The Atlanta office didn't forward it, they sent it back to me with a notice, I'm not sure if this applies to the whole country or just the Atlanta office, but the notice says: PUBLIC NOTICE TO ALL: Effective April 25, 2005, all FOIA/PA requests should be mailed directly to: National Records Center - FOIA Unit Post Office Box 648010 Lee's Summit, MO 64064-8010 For overnight express "only", use the following address: National Records Center - FOIA Unit ATTN: Suite 300 150 Space Center Loop Lee's Summit, MO 64064 The public number for NRC FOIA/PA requesters is (816)350-5570 to ask questions and obtain information. Since it would have cost the same in postage, I wondered why they didn't just forward it for me. Anyway, in about a week or 2 I received an acknowledgement letter from the Lee's Summit office that they received my request, and since it was brief, they would put it on the fast track. I called the phone number to ask a question, and the phone was answered by a friendly, helpful human almost immediately. - Elaine On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:32:02 -0400, "Scott & Tina Southwick" <southwick@voyager.net> said: > Immigration Records - Sorry all! I didn't use the NARA, I used the > Immigration and Naturalization Service > Sorry all I gave the wrong website all together. Here is the correct: > http://uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/index.htm > go to this page and on the list of forms click on form G-639 Freedom of > Information/Privacy. It is a .pdf file (adobe acrobat) to download. It > is four pages and has all of the instructions. Looking further into the > website will tell you where to send your request. I had sent some > directly to Washington D.C. and they sent me a letter stating they > forwarded it to Detroit - as my ancestors lived in Mich. > Upon downloading the form I saved a copy to my computer that is why I had > to rack my brain to remember where I did get the form from. I thought it > was the NARA, but thanks to Jim emailing me I went back to figure it out > because it did not sound right. If anyone has any problems getting the > form I have it and could email it to you. > Once again....Sorry! > Tina > >

oops forgot to mention it's free for download... ----- Original Message ----- From: Teressa Lenkey To: elaine bousquet ; musickfamily@yahoogroups.com ; HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: FYI http://www.genealogical.com/onlinebook.asp?afid= The Researcher's Guide to American Genealogy Arguably the best book ever written on American genealogy, it is the text of choice in colleges and universities or wherever courses in American genealogy are taught. Of the dozens of textbooks, manuals, and how-to books that have appeared over the past twenty-five years, it is the one book that is consistently praised for setting a standard of excellence. Teressa Lenkey

http://www.genealogical.com/onlinebook.asp?afid= The Researcher's Guide to American Genealogy Arguably the best book ever written on American genealogy, it is the text of choice in colleges and universities or wherever courses in American genealogy are taught. Of the dozens of textbooks, manuals, and how-to books that have appeared over the past twenty-five years, it is the one book that is consistently praised for setting a standard of excellence. Teressa Lenkey

Type it in the box in the upper left and hit OK. These databases are much more difficult to work with in some ways than the DVD. It is very easy to identify possible alternate spellings on the DVD, which you cannot do with the online version. It will only look up entries with exact spellings. My other frustration is that I cannot figure out how to get back to the listing after you have looked at an entry. I have only been able to repeat the search. Can anyone help with this? Janet -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth V Cardinal [mailto:evc1369@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:32 PM To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] Arcanum Now that I can get one where do I put the surname I am interested in? Of course I can't translate the data but I would recognize the surnames. I am interested in Veszprem Megye and the names Tegyi and Grund although I have already been told Tegyi doesn't come up as a surname. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

Now that I can get one where do I put the surname I am interested in? Of course I can't translate the data but I would recognize the surnames. I am interested in Veszprem Megye and the names Tegyi and Grund although I have already been told Tegyi doesn't come up as a surname. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

I was able to get on this afternoon to the http://online.arcanum.hu website with the username and password the gave me Laszlo (Les) Josa -----Original Message----- From: Les Josa [mailto:lesjosa@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:12 AM To: 'JJasper381@aol.com'; 'HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] Arcanum I too did the same thing but was not able to get on. When they emailed me with my username and password it says activation time is one day. I took that to mean I have one day to activate. But I guess they want me to wait till tomorrow to try again. Laszlo (Les) Josa

Les, snip- < I took that to mean I have one day to activate. But I guess they want me to wait till tomorrow to try again. > I believe you have "broken the code". I also took it to mean that it had to be done within a days time but it probably means it will take a day for THEM to activate the account. Thanks, Jerry

I am having the same problem. They did send me a user name and a password but when I enter them I get another page that also looks like they are asking for the same information and when I enter it nothing happens. I too would like to know what I am missing or doing incorrectly. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

Janet, snip-<To access the databases you must register first at arcadat@axelero.hu. Imerely asked them to register me, and they sent me back a User Name (Az Önfelhasználói neve) and Password (Jelszó). It seems kind of silly not to beable to register online, but that’s the way they want it. The databasesthemselves are located at http://online.arcanum.hu<http://online.arcanum.hu/> . I emailed for a User Name and Password and received such. I then went to http://online.arcanum.hu and entered them as you suggested. I do not get access, only a return to the original screen where you make the entries with the spaces for entry blank. The email transmitting my User Name and Password stated " The activation time is 1 day". Do I need to do something additional to activate my User Name and Password other than entering them into the spaces provided? Any help will be appreciated as it appears if I do not get this accomplished in the one day period, my User Name and Password will be voided. Jerry

I too did the same thing but was not able to get on. When they emailed me with my username and password it says activation time is one day. I took that to mean I have one day to activate. But I guess they want me to wait till tomorrow to try again. Laszlo (Les) Josa -----Original Message----- From: JJasper381@aol.com [mailto:JJasper381@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:47 AM To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Arcanum Janet, snip-<To access the databases you must register first at arcadat@axelero.hu. Imerely asked them to register me, and they sent me back a User Name (Az Önfelhasználói neve) and Password (Jelszó). It seems kind of silly not to beable to register online, but that’s the way they want it. The databasesthemselves are located at http://online.arcanum.hu<http://online.arcanum.hu/> . I emailed for a User Name and Password and received such. I then went to http://online.arcanum.hu and entered them as you suggested. I do not get access, only a return to the original screen where you make the entries with the spaces for entry blank. The email transmitting my User Name and Password stated " The activation time is 1 day". Do I need to do something additional to activate my User Name and Password other than entering them into the spaces provided? Any help will be appreciated as it appears if I do not get this accomplished in the one day period, my User Name and Password will be voided. Jerry

Thank you everyone for your responses and help. John and Les suggested the LDS wordlist and using this list I can read a little of the records. Thank you all for being so helpful. Suzie

Last week I sent the following snipurl but now we get this message. Scroll down to the end and follow instruction to get the word list INTERNET GENEALOGY SERVICE The page you requested (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/images/36335_WL_Hungarian.pdf) has moved or no longer exists. Select one of the following options to find what you are looking for. * <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/default.asp> FamilySearch Home Page * <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp> Search for Ancestors * <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/rg/frameset_rhelps.asp> Research Helps (Replaces SourceGuide) * <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/WebSites/frameset_websites.asp> Browse Family History Web Sites * <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp> Family History Library Catalog * <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp> Find a Family History Center * <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Share/Collaborate/frameset_share.asp> Collaboration E-Mail Lists * <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Share/Preserve/frameset_preserve.asp> Share (Preserve) My Genealogy Click on research helps above and then click on the H on the alpha list And then Hungarian word list on the bottom. Hope this helps, Laszlo (Les) Josa

My maternal grandparents were born in Pula and in Band which are very small villages in Veszprem Megye. Band is/was so small that when one studies the microfilmed church records you find many, many intermarriages. Because of that, I have started two lists at Yahoogroups.com in hopes of finding others who are researching those villages. To subscribe to either one, click on the following link: BandHungary-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Or MyPula-subscribe@yahoogroups.com All are welcome. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net