The Hammond Times August 19, 1935 Indiana Mrs. KIRALY, 74 dies on Sunday Mrs. Barbara KIRALY age 74 , a native of Hungary, died yesterday afternoon at her home, 4735 Melville Avenue. She had been a resident of this locality for 42 years. Survivors: Daughter: Mrs. William DUDASH Daughter: Mrs. Elizabeth FEYESH both of East Chicago, Indiana. Son: John KIRALY Son: Steve KIRALY also of this city.

1920 Census Akron Ohio Summit County District 210 YUHAS FAMILY 164 La Salle Street Akron, Ohio YUHAS, Mike head age 35 Born: Hungary both parents: same Imm: 1915 Truck Driver YUHAS, Rosie wife age 34 Born: Hungary both parents same YUHAS, Margaret daughter age 15 Born: " YUHAS, Steve son age 12 Born: Ohio YUHAS, Julius son age 10 Born: New Jersey YUHAS, Rosie daughter age 7 Born: New Jersey KIRALY, Steve brother-in-law age 20 Born: Hungary Imm: 1906 KIRALY, Julius brother-in-law age 27 " " " " Occ: Inspector Rubber Company KISH, Joseph head age 30 Hungary Both parents: Hungary Imm: 1913 Rubber company KISH, Mary wife age 30 Born Hungary both parents same Imm: 1913 KISH, Olga daughter age 6 months Born: Ohio

In a message dated 7/22/2005 8:37:25 PM US Eastern Standard Time, JANDA143@aol.com writes: <<,I am finding that many of the baptisms were performed for Lutherans. Is that common and why would they go to a Catholic church to baptize their children?>>> Greetings All Since you didn't indicate the time period for which you have noticed these baptisms in the records, I'm going to guess that they are either prior to ~1790, or they were for a very very remote village that wasn't regularly (or often) visited by a circuit rider Lutheran pastor. In the first example, prior to the Edict of Toleration by Austrian Emperor Joseph, all baptisms and marriages had to be performed by a Catholic priest -- that was the law -- and the recording of all events was to be by the Catholic church -- again, the law. When Germans from the Holy Roman Empire immigrated to repopulate Hungary beginning ~1715 (work for the landlords essentially), they had to be Catholic in order to be sponsored by the Austrian gov;t. Lutherans went to Hungary anyway because there were numerous *tolorent* landlords who allowed Lutherans to have a pastor (but not churches until late 1780s -- they had to "follow their religion" in private) -- so in those villages (and those nearby), you'll find records for Lutherans kept by the pastor (who was also many times also the schoolteacher). The same can be said for Calvinists, or the Reformed church. As I understand it, the real rub for Lutherans living in 'Catholic' villages in those early days was not the difference in the organized church, it was having to PAY the fees to the Catholic church that were charged -- alter fees, priest fees, use fees etc. in order to get married and have a child baptized. Essentially, there was not the freedom of religion as we know it today, although the culture was not completely intolerant either. Also, the role of the church was much different then in Europe, than we experience today. At that time, the church WAS the authority in the village along with the owner (landlord) of the village. People were no more or less pious then, than they are now. Some went to church regularly and celebrated the feast days (catholic) etc., and some didn't. All of which is meant to indicate that the fact one finds records in a particular set of books does not indicate an affiliation with that church or religion (people could not choose which 'church' to attend as was the case in USA) -- the recording of vital events was by law the responsibility of the Catholic church in Hungary (and elsewhere) until the late 1780s. The other reason you'll find Lutheran records in Catholic books even after ~1790, is that the village was in a location that did not have access to a Lutheran pastor -- either in a nearby village or in a village that was on the route of a traveling pastor. As with all things, as time went on, people reported events (this was the law) to whatever authority was available to report to, and as toleration grew, and a village with Lutherans or Calvinists could afford it, they would support a leader of their own faith and you'll find separate vital records for additional religions. One finds Lutheran, and Catholic people recorded in the Greek Orthodox records for some small villages in 'old Slavonia' (now Croatia) for example. Hope this provides a little insight Linda

Dear List, I am going through the whole microfilm for my ancestor's villages and putting them into a database. While doing so, I am finding that many of the baptisms were performed for Lutherans. Is that common and why would they go to a Catholic church to baptize their children? And....do you think that what is VISA is also VERSA? :) Should I be looking at other church records for my Catholic ancestors? Angela Grand Rapids, Mi

Thanks to all you "Rooters" answering my first query on the Hungary-L list regarding my grandparents, Alex and Rebecca KIRALY. The Ellis Island Wall of Honor lists my KIRALY family as follows: Name Origin Panel The Steve KIRALY Family Hungary 223 The KIRALY Family Hungary 223 Joseph KIRALY Hungary 223 Alexander and Rebecca KIRALY Hungary 223 William KIRALY Hungary 223 Other names on Panel 223: Mary Luksa KIRALY Esther Sarkady KIRALY I'm not sure that placement on Panel 223 indicates family relationship. Respectfully, Carol in Phoenix

Someone advised me of a good Hungarian Dictionary and I have lost the note. I'm sorry to ask again but could I have some advice on the best one to purchase. Amazon has quite a few and I thought I might remember the authors but cannot. I am using LDS word list but I think I need more extensive dictionary. I confess again I am totally uneducated in Hungarian ways and everything connected. I notice that some of you can type in Hungarian. How do I go about being able to do that as well? Thank you once again for your help. Suzanne

Suzanne wrote: Someone advised me of a good Hungarian Dictionary and I have lost the note. I'm sorry to ask again but could I have some advice on the best one to purchase. Amazon has quite a few and I thought I might remember the authors but cannot. I am using LDS word list but I think I need more extensive dictionary. I confess again I am totally uneducated in Hungarian ways and everything connected. I notice that some of you can type in Hungarian. How do I go about being able to do that as well? Thank you once again for your help. Suzanne Suzanne, here is a website to download a free Hungarian dictionary http://www.freelang.net/dictionary/hungarian.html also here is an old email I posted in 2000 about how to type with the accent marks To type special characters Many languages use special characters. This describes how to type some of the common characters on both Windows and the Macintosh. On the Macintosh, open the Key Caps program in the Apple menu. To type special characters on Windows: Turn on the Num Lock option on your keyboard. On most keyboards, you turn on Num Lock by holding down the Shift key and pressing the Num Lock key. There may be an indicator light on your keyboard that shows whether the Num Lock option is turned on. While holding down the Alt key, type the number of the character you wish to enter from the following table: example: to type in Németh type in the following: N key, next hold the alt key and type 130, m key, e key, t key, and the h key ¡ = 173 ¿ = 168 « = 174 » = 175 ß = 225 ã = 0227 â = 131 ä = 132 à = 133 å = 0229 á = 160 Ä = 142 Á= 0193 À= 0192 Ã= 0195 Å = 0197 Â =0194 ç = 135 Ç= 0199 é = 130 ê = 136 ë = 137 è = 138 ê =0234 É = 144 È = 0200 Ë = 0203 Ê = 0202 ï = 139 î = 140 ì = 141 í = 161 ï = 0239 î = 0238 Í = 0205 Ì = 0204 Ï = 0207 Î = 0206 ñ = 164 Ñ = 165 õ = 0245 ô = 147 ö = 148 ò = 149 ó = 162 ø = 0248 Ö = 153 Õ = 0213 Ô = 0212 Ø = 0216 Ò = 0210 Ó = 0211 ü = 129 û = 150 ù = 151 ú = 163 Ü = 154 Ú = 0218 Ù = 0217 Û = 0219 Ü = 0220 ÿ = 0255 Hope this helps, Laszlo Josa AOL AIM instant message name is lesjosa email lesjosa@bellsouth.net family tree website http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/s/Laszlo-K-Josa/ For more characters, do one of the following: On Windows, open the Character Map program in the Windows Start menu. (The default location of Character Map is: Start > Programs > Accessories > System Tools.) On the Macintosh, open the Key Caps program in the Apple menu.

Hi Carol in Phoenix, A quick Google search showed two Kiraly's in the phone directory in suburban Columbus, Ohio. I'll send you their names privately so they don't wind up on the Net. Or, you can contact the Columbus, Ohio historical society to see if they are willing to search for you. Our local historical society does accommodate queries for free, but of course a nominal donation is always appreciated. Good luck, it's important your children and gchildren know about their heritage. Marika

I'm looking for information regarding my grandparents, Alex KIRALY and wife Rebecca ///. At one point while still living my mother Lucile KIRALY she thought Grandma Kiraly's maiden name was, TOTH. However, up to this point in time I don't think this is correct. Their names are on the Wall of Honor at Ellis Island. Alex and Rebecca had three sons, I believe... William, Karl (Carl) and Steve. My grandparents lived on Market Street in Columbus, Ohio. I lived with them when I was a baby. My parents, Lucile Kershner and Karl/Carl KIRALY were divorced. I've lost track of my KIRALY family. My parents are both deceased and I'm trying to find my paternal lineage for the sake of my own children and grandchildren Respectfully, Carol in Phoenix

I must apologize for having given incomplete information. After going to hamburg.de, I clicked on English which brought me to a page where any language could be selected. I selected English again and on the bottom right hand side among the adds is a Link to Your Roots banner. Click on this to bring you there. This is the web address I was directed to when I did this. http://www.linktoyourroots.hamburg.de/index/1,2709,JGdlbz0zJG9rPTE5MTA1JHVrPSQ_,00.html I do not know what would happen if you just went to http://www.linktoyourroots.hamburg.de perhaps that would be easier? Good luck and sorry for the delay in answering. > ______________________________> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:00:31 -0400 > From: "Elizabeth V Cardinal" <evc1369@comcast.net> > To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] hamburg record of > departure/Talukecz > > http://www.hamburg.de/ > > > I clicked on the above website and did not find any > departure lists. What > am I doing wrong? > > > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > evc1369@comcast.net > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

http://www.hamburg.de/ I clicked on the above website and did not find any departure lists. What am I doing wrong? Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

http://www.legionmagazine.com/lastpost/ Since 1928, Legion Magazine has honoured those Canadians who have served their country by publishing in print short death notices for Royal Canadian Legion members with military backgrounds, Canadian war veterans and Legion members with police service. With the advent of the Internet, we have created as a historical archive for your free use a Last Post database that goes back to September 1992 ----- Original Message ----- From: Traci To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:32 PM Subject: Maybe this will help I stumbled across this website while searching for a Scottish ancestor who served in the RCA during WWII. Maybe it will help someone here...

I stumbled across this website while searching for a Scottish ancestor who served in the RCA during WWII. Maybe it will help someone here...

Hi there, I just wandered into finding my ggf Frank Szall's Hamburg departure record today. (I found it at the website: http://www.hamburg.de/ I found the link to this site from http://jewishwebindex.com/emigration.htm which despite the Jewish focus of the site is quite applicable to emigration from Hungary in general.) There is only one item that I am not clear about in Ferenz Szal's departure record. It is his place of residence, which is given as Talukecz. Can anyone identify this place for me? I believe that Frank was running away from his family who lived in Vas megye, so this place really could be anywhere in Hungary or Germany. Köszönöm! (Thank you in Hungarian.) Denise __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I did a little more looking at those railroad junctions, and I think I made a couple of errors. My revised list of the route from Hungary to Hamburg in 1849 is as follows: Pozsony - Bratislava SK Ganserndorf (not Gensendorf) - Ganserndorf, Austria Oderberg (not Oberberg) - Behumin CZ, "important RR station" on border with Poland Breslau - Wroclaw PO Berlin Hamburg Janet -----Original Message----- From: Janet Kozlay [mailto:kozlay@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:14 AM To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] rail lines The county maps at http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/turoc.jpg show the rail lines (alternate black and white lines--“Vaspálya“). Surely they would have used horse-drawn vehicles to get to the rail line. I can't be certain about 1900, but 50 years earlier my husband's great-grandfather, traveling from central Hungary, hired a carriage to Abony where he then took a train to Pest. From there he took a steamship on the Danube (Duna) to Pozsony (Bratislava), where he boarded a train which took him to Gensendorf, Oberberg, Breslau, Berlin, and finally to Hamburg. Some of these place names are now obsolete. The best that I have been able to determine is the following: Pozsony - Bratislava SK Gensendorf - Brno CZ Oberberg - Prague CZ Breslau - Wroclaw PO Since he was fleeing from the Austrians following Hungary's loss in the 1848-49 war, he would have avoided Austria at all costs. Otherwise he might have gone through Vienna. If anyone has a correction on these place names, I would very much appreciate hearing. Hope this helps. Janet -----Original Message----- From: Joyce & Bill [mailto:bhewlett@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:07 AM To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HUNGARY-L] rail lines Greetings, Would anyone know of a source, book, on line, etc. that may have maps of rail lines that existed in 1900? I am specifically interested in lines from northern Hungary going to Hamburg. Also, what would have been the most common mode of transportation to get to them back then? Thanks, Joyce

This was the topic of discussion a few weeks ago. I will be going to the FHL in Salt Lake in October so I thought that I would share the reponse I received from the FHL today. ----- Original Message ----- From: <help@productsupport.familysearch.org> To: <weberone@torchlake.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:08 PM Subject: Scanner/burner questions Hello Jackie, I will try to respond to all your questions. First, the Family History Library has four scanner/burners used to copy film to CD. There are two on the 2nd floor, one on B1 floor, and one on B2 floor. Each patron may sign up for one hour per day. If another patron does not sign up after your time slot you may stay on til someone else does sign up. If there is a free machine with no patron at it you may check at the Library Attendant Window and see how long it is free and you may sit down and use it. The film floors have CDs available for purchase ($1.50). I would check the Family History Library Catalog on our web site (www.familysearch.org) for film numbers that I am interested in. If the film has FHL in front of the number it is here at the library. If the word VAULT is in front of the number we can order films into the library for you. Please email us the numbers. We do not have the man power to copy films to Cds for you, but if you have a friend or family member in the area they could come and take care of doing the work for you. Julie Gail Newby Library Attendant ---------------------- <CaseID:131228> ---------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message may contain confidential information, and is intended only for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1910 Census Fairfield County Children's Home Norwalk Township Connecticut District 93 WARGO, Julia age 10 Born: Conn. Father: Hungary Mother: U.S. WARGO, Alexander age 12 Born: Conn. Father: ? Mother: U.S. SZACSURI, Daniel age 10 Born: Conn. Both parents: Hungary BALOG, Elizabeth age 7 Born: Austria cheryl BALOG wenberg

As an aside to all the "vaspálya" topic. The railroad was used to fastrack the silkworm trade that was happenning and they had a very efficient and fast service to accomplish this as otherwise they would die or be useless. József (Joseph) Serflek ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce & Bill To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 4:23 PM Subject: [HUNGARY-L] train lines The county maps at http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/turoc.jpg show the rail lines (alternate black and white lines--?Vasp?lya?). Thanks, Trying to figure out how my family got to Hamburg. Looking at Magyarorszag, also, I am beginning to think they had to go 90 miles south to Budapest and leave from there. Every other route I tried to follow from Jelsava the train tracks ended at some town and horse and buggy would have to be used to get to the next town and pick up the train. It would have taken forever to get to Hamburg that way. So far it looks like they could have stayed on the train from Jelsava to Budapest to Hamburg. Joyce

The county maps at http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/turoc.jpg show the rail lines (alternate black and white lines--?Vasp?lya?). Thanks, Trying to figure out how my family got to Hamburg. Looking at Magyarorszag, also, I am beginning to think they had to go 90 miles south to Budapest and leave from there. Every other route I tried to follow from Jelsava the train tracks ended at some town and horse and buggy would have to be used to get to the next town and pick up the train. It would have taken forever to get to Hamburg that way. So far it looks like they could have stayed on the train from Jelsava to Budapest to Hamburg. Joyce

<<my question is would there be a real value to readers of this board if an effort were undertaken to accumulate information on the graves???>> It would be an invaluable source of information not only for the members of this list but for of Hungarian descent. I hope you do it and commend you on offering. Thank You. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net