Funny that you mention that. My entire ancestry is from the Northern Hungarian region through the 1600s and many times I look at pictures hoping to see someone who looks sort of like me staring back. Haven't so far. Both grandmothers had the map of Hungary on their face; I see them alot. Guess I need to keep looking! Thanks for your post! Carol Thompson <clthompson@ualr.edu> wrote: This was a terrific posting. I read the articles and found a photograph included in the Folklore book of a woman in beautiful Hungarian attire standing on the right side of one of the photographs who looked exactly like me! My sister pointed her out. It is a pleasure to see photographs of a place where you can see people who look like you. It was eerie and wonderful! Carol T. ================================================== Researching: Pallai, Palinkas, Gaspar, Rubi, Adam, Vazsily, Kriztian, Firkala, Plucsinsky, Dzurnak, Kupcik, Hozza, Lauf, Almassy, Marhevka, Potanko and Dinda in Hungary Barber, Cummins, Pierce, Page, Van Alstine, Quackenbush, Stephens, Hargrave, Moffett, Sorrells, Cuthbertson, Lonon and Wilhoit from sea to shining sea __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Good afternoon Listers! Has anyone ever run across a town called Erdes or Erdos in what was Szepes Megye? Thanks ya'll! Sandi Barber ================================================== Researching: Pallai, Palinkas, Gaspar, Rubi, Adam, Vazsily, Kriztian, Firkala, Plucsinsky, Dzurnak, Kupcik, Hozza, Lauf, Almassy, Marhevka, Potanko and Dinda in Hungary Barber, Cummins, Pierce, Page, Van Alstine, Quackenbush, Stephens, Hargrave, Moffett, Sorrells, Cuthbertson, Lonon and Wilhoit from sea to shining sea __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Gerald Kisabeth wrote: > Hello my dear friends. Thanks much Judy for the GREAT book online. It > is a very nice read. > Also can someone help me with this: > Az egyik legujjabb Magyar vigjatek , szinte az osszes most ello nagy > Magyar szinesszel. A film attekintest nyer a magyar tortenelem > legfontosabb esemenyeirol , humoros formaba > > Thanks, > Gerald Kisabeth > Dobozy Hi Gerald, One of the newest Hungarian comedies, with almost all of presently living famous Hungarian actors. The movie gives coverage of the most important moments in Hungarian history - in humorous form. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@ezaccess.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by ezaccess.net]

Hello my dear friends. Thanks much Judy for the GREAT book online. It is a very nice read. Also can someone help me with this: Az egyik legujjabb Magyar vigjatek , szinte az osszes most ello nagy Magyar szinesszel. A film attekintest nyer a magyar tortenelem legfontosabb esemenyeirol , humoros formaba Thanks, Gerald Kisabeth Dobozy

This was a terrific posting. I read the articles and found a photograph included in the Folklore book of a woman in beautiful Hungarian attire standing on the right side of one of the photographs who looked exactly like me! My sister pointed her out. It is a pleasure to see photographs of a place where you can see people who look like you. It was eerie and wonderful! Carol T.

The spellings of these names might vary. Nestorowitsch was changed to Nestor in the U.S. The couple came to America about 1878 and had children Gisela, Osman, Helen and another daughter. They went back and were killed and buried at Kispet, Pest Co. Hungary. I think the family must have been from that area. Is there any place I can check to see if that is where they are from, and find out something about their titles? They died 12-29-1903 in Hungary. They had a daughter, Helen Nestorowitsch, b. 1837 Hungary. How can I find a record for her? She was 18 when she came to America. She married Edwin R. Hughes, a broker and they had a daughter born 1886 in New York, named Lillian. Edwin Huges died 1888 and Helen married Morris Barret(t) in the Trinity Episcopal Church, Washington D.C. They lived in Goochland Co., Virginia. Lillian Hughes was on the census with the Barrett family in 1900, but must have married before 1910. I wish I could find her descendants. Any help locating this family appreciated. It would see that the family would be easy to find since they had titles, apparently in Hungary. Pat Welch

Encyclopedia of Virginia Biography, Vol. IV Page 544 "Dr. Alexander E. TURMAN married, in Sept. 1900, Fannie NESTOROWITSCH, daughter of Prince Alexander NESTOROWITSCH, who died in 1902, leaving a daughter, Adele. cheryl BALOG wenberg

I frequently have recommended Fel and Hofer's "Proper Peasants" for those interested in learning how Hungarians lived in the late 19th and early 20th century. It is relatively inexpensive and not hard to find a copy of this in-depth study of a single Hungarian village, and many have found it very useful for understanding the everyday lives of their Hungarian ancestors. There is another book, however, which is much larger and covers the entire geographical area where Hungarian was spoken. "Hungarian Ethnography and Folklore" by Balassa and Ortutay is an enormous work (over 700 huge pages) and is much more scholarly in tone than "Proper Peasants." It is also filled with photos and illustrations. I have just discovered that it is now online at http://mek.oszk.hu/02700/02790/html/index.html. The book itself, when you can find it, is quite expensive (over $100). It looks like all of the black and white photos and illustrations are reproduced in the online version, though unfortunately none of its many beautiful color plates. Nevertheless, if you are interested in the history and the social and folk customs of Hungary, you may want to check it out. Janet

Dear Pat, Kempelen lists Konstantin Nestorovics married to Countess Adél Apor on April 14, 1822. Their children are not listed. Adél was the daughter of György Apor and Countess Teréz Haller. There is considerable information on the baronial Apor family from the Szekely region of Eastern Transylvania, including detailed genealogy, but not Nestorovics. Janet

Patricia Welch wrote: > The spellings of these names might vary. Nestorowitsch was changed to > Nestor in the U.S. > > The couple came to America about 1878 and had children Gisela, Osman, > Helen and another daughter. They went back and were killed and buried > at Kispet, Pest Co. Hungary. I think the family must have been from > that area. Is there any place I can check to see if that is where > they are from, and find out something about their titles? They died > 12-29-1903 in Hungary. > > They had a daughter, Helen Nestorowitsch, b. 1837 Hungary. How can I > find a record for her? > She was 18 when she came to America. She married Edwin R. Hughes, a > broker and they had a daughter born 1886 in New York, named Lillian. > Edwin Huges died 1888 and Helen married Morris Barret(t) in the > Trinity Episcopal Church, Washington D.C. They lived in Goochland > Co., Virginia. > > Lillian Hughes was on the census with the Barrett family in 1900, but > must have married before 1910. I wish I could find her descendants. > > Any help locating this family appreciated. It would see that the > family would be easy to find since they had titles, apparently in > Hungary. > > Pat Welch Hi Pat, do you know about him? Jack Walter Mills, Jr. Jack Walter Mills, Jr., age 50 of Mobile, Ala., died Friday, April 20, 2001. He was born July 30, 1950, in Savannah, Ga. Jack graduated from Choctaw High School, Fort Walton Beach, Fla.; DeBry Institute of Technology; and the University of Mobile Nursing School. Jack was also a member of the Harley Davidson Motorcycle Club in Mobile, Ala; and Aero Dynamics Club in Mobile. Jack was a friend to all mankind, and to all animals. He will be missed by everyone, including Haria, Puss and his ducks. Survivors include his wife, Peggy Bostick of Mobile, Ala.; parents Lt. Col. Jack and Fran Mills of Fort Walton Beach; brother Kenneth Mills of Fort Walton Beach; brother Kenneth Mills of Fort Walton Beach, Fla; nephew James Colbert of Fort Walton Beach; nieces Lori Nestor of Atlanta, Ga.; Jane Pruett of Birmingham, Ala.; and Christ Brown of Woodberry, Mich. Jack was preceded in death by his grandparents Walter and Dorothy Mills; Prince Osman Konstantine Nestorwitsch and Gladys Hughs Nestor; and great-grandparents Prine Alexis Konstantine Nestorowitsch and Countess Adele Apor Nestorowitsch. The family will receive friends Sunday, April 22, 2001, at McLaughlin Mortuary, 17 Chestnut Ave., Fort Walton Beach, Fla., from 1 to 2p.m. A graveside service will be conducted by Rev. Gene Townson at Beal Memorial Cemetery, Fort Walton Beach, Fla., at 2:30 p.m. McLaughlin Mortuary, 17 Chestnut Ave., Fort Walton Beach, Fla., entrusted with the arrangements. * This article can be found on page B2 of the April 22, 2001 Daily News of Northwest Florida. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@ezaccess.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by ezaccess.net]

The Hammond Times Indiana Feb. 10, 1943 Obituaries FRANK SIMKO Age 46, of 4836 Mellville Avenue, East Chicago, Indiana, a veteran of WWI died yesterday in a Michigan City Hospital after an illness of four years. SIMKO was single. He was the son of Barbara SIMKO of East Chicago. He was preceded in death by his father Joseph SIMKO. He leaves behind a sister Anna BALOG of East Chicago, Indiana. Huber's Funeral Chapel. cheryl BALOG wenberg

I have noticed someone on this list has the surname Szabo. I just want to let you know that I have found a family with this surname in Brantford Ontario Ca on page p14 District 57 Ward 2 sub-district 14. I cannot tell the husband's name but the wife is Kathleen 2 children son's name looks like same as father and daughter Eliza. Here is the http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/1911/006003-100.01-e.html Evelyn

Janet, Thank you so much. I believe they were Catholic (definitely not Jewish). I will check Erzsebet as well. On Ellis Island it says Elzsebet which she Americanized to Elizabeth. She also had a sister Veronica, which I read might be Erza? Oh well, since I have her exact date, I'm sure I'll be able to find her. Thank you for pointing me in this direction and to the person who gave me the information for contacting Hungary. I will try it after I check the films. Thanks!! -andrea On 8/20/05, Janet Kozlay <kozlay@comcast.net> wrote: > > You would be looking for the church record of her baptism (or if Jewish, > her > birth), not a "birth certificate." The churches maintained the official > records of births, marriages, and deaths until 1895. The records for > Szentendre are readily available through the Mormons at your local Family > History Center (see www.familysearch.org <http://www.familysearch.org>). > There are microfilms for Roman > Catholic, Reformed, Jewish, and Serbian Eastern Orthodox (three parishes). > Baptismal records (kereszteltek) for 1885 are on the following > films: > Roman Catholic - #613161 > Reformed - #622900 > Serbian Eastern Orthodox > Peter and Pal parish - #722575 > Izbeg parish - #722580 > Szekesegyhaz parish - #722579 > Jewish births - #642870 > > Since you are only looking for names and dates, you do not really need to > be > able to read Hungarian. Hopefully you know the religion so you won't have > to > look at all of them. Assuming you find Elzsebet (probably Erzsebet) on the > microfilm, you will be able to print a copy of the record at the Center. > > Once you have determined the parents' names, it should not be difficult to > find your great-grandmother in the same records. > > Good luck, Janet > > > -----Original Message----- > From: andrea batcho [mailto:final.offer@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:28 PM > To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HUNGARY-L] How to obtain a Birth Certificate from Szentendre, > Hungary 12/2/1885? > > Hi. I was wondering if someone could tell me how I could get a copy of the > birth certificate of my great grandmother's sister Elzsebet Bado born on 2 > Dec 1885 in Szentendre, Hungary. I don't know the date or where my great > grandmother was born in Hungary, but I hope that will help me find out the > names of their parents. I don't speak Hungarian at all, so I was hoping > someone could provide me directions to get it from Hungary. (perhaps a > website or if I have to write a letter somewhere, I could find a friend of > the family to write it in Hungarian) > Thank you so much, > -andrea > > > >

Dear Andrea: If you go to this url, http://www.huembwas.org/Consular/ConsularAffairs.htm, scroll down to 7. and click on Birth, marriage, death certificates from Hungary, you will find this information: Obtaining birth, marriage, divorce or death certificates from Hungary In order to obtain certificates or records from Hungary, you have to supply us the following data and send the application to the diplomatic or consular representation whose area of responsibility includes the state you live in (see the consular districts of Hungarian missions in the U.S). Certificates can be requested only if the birth, marriage, divorce or death occurred in the present-day territory of Hungary. Please note that state and municipal registration has been in place since 1895. Records before this time were kept by churches so if you are requesting a certificate dating from before 1895, always indicate the religious affiliation of the person(s) concerned . Please always state your relationship to the person whose certificate you request.  If not a relative, state the purpose of obtaining the certificate. The consular fee is $30 per document and it includes the fee and expenses levied by the Hungarian issuing authority. Please pay fee by sending a money order made out to the name of the competent foreign mission of Hungary in the United States, and include a self-addressed and stamped envelope for certified mail (or otherwise remit an additional $5 with your application) in your application. The Embassy or the Consulate General can arrange for the return of the the requested document(s) by express mail only if the necessary envelopes, fees, stamps, account numbers, etc. are included. Your request will be forwarded to the competent Hungarian authorities. Generally, it will take about 3-4 months for you to receive the requested document(s). Birth certificate Name (former or maiden name, if applicable): Place of birth (indicate district if Budapest*): Date of birth: Father's name: Mother's maiden name: Purpose of the request: Marriage certificate Name of the married couple (maiden name of the wife): Place of the marriage (indicate district if Budapest*): Date of the marriage: Purpose of the request: Divorce certificate The same data as for marriage record as well as the exact designation of the court proceedings on the divorce case and the number of the file. Death certificate Name (former or maiden name, if applicable): Place of death (indicate district if Budapest*): Date of death: Purpose of the request: * In the absence of this information the search in all the twenty-three districts of the capital will require 12 months at least. This may be the simplest way to get a bmd certifcate but maybe not the least expensive. I have not used it yet, but am trying to afford to. Jayne perllan987@aol.com

You would be looking for the church record of her baptism (or if Jewish, her birth), not a "birth certificate." The churches maintained the official records of births, marriages, and deaths until 1895. The records for Szentendre are readily available through the Mormons at your local Family History Center (see www.familysearch.org). There are microfilms for Roman Catholic, Reformed, Jewish, and Serbian Eastern Orthodox (three parishes). Baptismal records (kereszteltek) for 1885 are on the following films: Roman Catholic - #613161 Reformed - #622900 Serbian Eastern Orthodox Peter and Pal parish - #722575 Izbeg parish - #722580 Szekesegyhaz parish - #722579 Jewish births - #642870 Since you are only looking for names and dates, you do not really need to be able to read Hungarian. Hopefully you know the religion so you won't have to look at all of them. Assuming you find Elzsebet (probably Erzsebet) on the microfilm, you will be able to print a copy of the record at the Center. Once you have determined the parents' names, it should not be difficult to find your great-grandmother in the same records. Good luck, Janet -----Original Message----- From: andrea batcho [mailto:final.offer@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:28 PM To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HUNGARY-L] How to obtain a Birth Certificate from Szentendre, Hungary 12/2/1885? Hi. I was wondering if someone could tell me how I could get a copy of the birth certificate of my great grandmother's sister Elzsebet Bado born on 2 Dec 1885 in Szentendre, Hungary. I don't know the date or where my great grandmother was born in Hungary, but I hope that will help me find out the names of their parents. I don't speak Hungarian at all, so I was hoping someone could provide me directions to get it from Hungary. (perhaps a website or if I have to write a letter somewhere, I could find a friend of the family to write it in Hungarian) Thank you so much, -andrea

Just to let you know the Magyar Family website yearly dues is due in September. It may not be working because I am out of work right now. Soon as I can pay it, it will be back on line. Just bare with me. Laszlo (Les) Josa

Hi. I was wondering if someone could tell me how I could get a copy of the birth certificate of my great grandmother's sister Elzsebet Bado born on 2 Dec 1885 in Szentendre, Hungary. I don't know the date or where my great grandmother was born in Hungary, but I hope that will help me find out the names of their parents. I don't speak Hungarian at all, so I was hoping someone could provide me directions to get it from Hungary. (perhaps a website or if I have to write a letter somewhere, I could find a friend of the family to write it in Hungarian) Thank you so much, -andrea

Andrea wrote Subject: [HUNGARY-L] How to obtain a Birth Certificate from Szentendre, Hungary 12/2/1885? Hi. I was wondering if someone could tell me how I could get a copy of the birth certificate of my great grandmother's sister Elzsebet Bado born on 2 Dec 1885 in Szentendre, Hungary. I don't know the date or where my great grandmother was born in Hungary, but I hope that will help me find out the names of their parents. I don't speak Hungarian at all, so I was hoping someone could provide me directions to get it from Hungary. (perhaps a website or if I have to write a letter somewhere, I could find a friend of the family to write it in Hungarian) Thank you so much, -andrea Andrea, I went to the Mormon website http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp and then clicked on place search, then put in Szentendre in the first box and Hungary in the second box. Results are that church and Jewish records are available. You did not tell us what religion but if you click on church records you get Roman Catholic, Protestant and Greek Serb. Just click on the record you need and then you should get the film number or just go to the local Mormon library and order the film. Because you know when your grandmother sister was born find her record and just go back or forward depending if you grandmother was older or younger. Hope this helps, Laszlo (Les) Josa

The Charleroi Mail Pennsylvania Feb. 6, 1954 Obituaries John DEMETER, age 68, of House 562, Daisytown, died Thursday Feb. 4th., in Washington Hospital after a weeks illness. He was born June 15, 1886, in Hungary and had resided in Daisytown for the past 43 years. A retired miner, he was a member of UMW Local No. 2399, Richeyville; St. Nicholas Greek Catholic Church, Brownsville; Assumption Catholic Church, Daisytown; Hungarian Ben Church, Daisytown; Hungarian Beneficial Association, Walkertown; and Verhovay Branch No. 85, Daisytown. Survivors: Daughter: Mrs. Margaret SETTLE? SETTIE? Daisytown Daughter: Mrs. Helen KIRLOSKY Daisytown Daughter: Mrs. Irene DROTOS Belle Vernon Son: Steve DEMETER of Cleveland Sister: Mrs. Paul SAMPLACK of Warren, Ohio One sister in Europe.

Today your village is in Romania and is called Seica Mare. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JANDA143@aol.com> To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: [HUNGARY-L] town location > Dear List, > > I found a record on the LDS site for one of my ancestors and I can't find > the town on the jewishgen ShtetlSeeker site. I am hoping that someone on > this > list can help me. This is the information: > > IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 > Continental Europe > Search Results | Download | Pedigree > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > JOSEPH BAJUS > Male > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Event(s): > Birth: 10 JAN 1899 Nagy Selyk, Nagy-Kukullo Megye, Hungary > Christening: > Death: 29 NOV 1952 > Burial: > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Parents: > Father: JOZSEF BAJUSZ Family > Mother: EVA GONCLE > > Batch Number: 7609603 > Sheet: 37 > Source Call No.: 1058651 Type: Film > > Thank you for any assistance or advice! > > Angela > >