I wish to know if Roman Catholic Dioceses in Hungary have websites and email contact. I understand I can request vital records through the Hungarian Consul in NY (and have done so previously) and that I can search via the LDS microfilms. However I may have a contact in Hungary who could personally visit such offices and pay for documents in forints. Does anyone have emails for the diocese offices with jurisdiction over the following places: 1. Barsonyos 2.Kisberen 3.Tarkany 4. Tes? Do you think anyone at these offices would read English? What is the local forint cost for birth, marriage, and death records? Many thanks. Richard Spacer --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

Hi Hope someone can help me. I sent for my mother-in-law's birth certificate to Satoraljaujhely, Hungary where she told me she was born, through the Consulate General's office. It was returned "not found". On her Declaration of Intent, she gives Sernje, Hungary as where born...is this a different place from Satoraljaujhely? Thank you Marie

Do any of these Toth's fit in with yours? They all came from the area of PULA. TOTH, Anna 16 Sep 1882 S NO Marriage TOTH, Annamaria S PILLAR Stephanus TOTH, Catherina 24 Aug 1860 P TOTH Janos TOTH, Ferenc S THALIA Erzsebet TOTH, Helena 30 Sep 1860 P NO Marriage TOTH, Janos S JAGER Barbara (?) TOTH, Jozsef S TARTHAS Anna TOTH, Maria S TEGYI Matyas TOTH, Martha 23 Aug 1881 P TOTH Ferenc TOTH, Timea 30 Dec 1963 S NAGY Istvan Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

I'm looking for any information regarding the people below. I also need to find someone familiar with Hungarian genealogy so I can further my search into the town/city listed below in Hungary. I feel there should be very good records somewhere that documents these two people. Paul J Fabian, born 1883... came to US in 1901, stated he was from Somlo, Veszprem, Hungary.. settled in Columbus Ohio... Died 12/2/1953 Obit states he had a sister, Margaret Olah of Zanesville Ohio Julia Toth (married Paul between 1901-1905), born 8/16/1883... census shows she came to US in 1888 but cannot find her on Ellis Island records yet. Settled in Columbus Ohio. Died 6/19/1963 Obit states she had a sister, Mrs. Mary Turhont and brother, Joseph Toth I have Julia's Social Security number, but not Paul's (yet). Give me some ideas where I can go from here. I'm contacting the church they belonged to in Columbus (St. Ladislas) this week in hopes of finding more info. Oh, ONE MORE THING... they belonged to several different "lodges" which I can't find... Hungarian Reform Lodge, Columbus... Rockosy Lodge, Columbus... William Penn Lodge, Columbus. Anyone heard of any of these? CC loverulez@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,,1707579,00.html Vatican abortion treaty brings down government Nicholas Watt Saturday February 11, 2006 The Guardian The Vatican has inadvertently triggered the collapse of the government in Slovakia, one of the economic stars of the 10 entrants to the EU, in a row over abortion rights. The parliament in Bratislava voted on Thursday to hold elections early, on June 17, after Christian Democrats quit Mikulas Dzurinda's centre-right minority coalition government. The party is angry with the prime minister after he refused to endorse a draft treaty with the Vatican that would have allowed healthcare workers in hospitals founded by the Catholic church to refuse to carry out abortions on conscience grounds. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

I just heard from Maria Korasz about the problem subscribing to the Vasvary Newsletter. She indicated that they had been having some problems with their server over the last three weeks, which may have caused the difficulty. She suggests that you try again by writing to her at korasz@sk-szeged.hu. If you still have trouble, let me know and I'll see what I can do. Janet

Stockholm, Sweden Fr. 10/2 2006 Dear members of this mailing list! I am looking for any family related information of my family that lived in VÁC by the family name of SCHUCH. Living in Hungary in between 1237 - 1807. First in Pest, and then in Vác, and also perhaps in Gran. Latest noted family member is STEFAN SCHUCH who was a Coadjutor in GRAN, about 1711. Have also notes of: Franciszek Schuch (son of Stefan), married 1:o, Baroness FEYERVARY; 2:o LEITEZINN Children: 1:1 Franciszek 1:2 Josef 1:3 Josef 2:1 Teresa 2:2 Magdalena 2:3 Antonina 2:4 Adam (Med.Doc.) 2:5 Ignacy b. 29/7 1772 in Vác, Hungary dead 22/5 1864 in Sandomirez, near Warszawa, Poland. Anyone having any information or relation to any of these names, any knowledge of some kind?? Much obliged for any information of any kindon this subject to: batorsakpriv@netscape.net Best regards H. von Börtzell-Szuch Stockholm, Sweden.

Hi Anthony, My ggm Mary Szabo was born 1885 in Beregszasz/Beregovo. When she was born the city was Hungarian, but the Ukraine still has her records. I went through the rigamaroll of trying to get an official copy of her birth record (even though I have all of the information), as an experiment to see if I could get even that. Thus far I have heard nothing. If you wish to try to obtain your father's birth record, the official website of the Ukraine in Washington, DC is an easy find with a google search. The information to receive a birth certificate is there -- they don't make it at all easy. There is also this website: http://genealogy.iatp.org.ua/eng/ I haven't tried using their service yet. I would be interested in hearing your experiences with trying to obtain records from the Ukraine. > From: Anthony Finta <anthony@finta.com> > To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Beregovo/Beregszas birth certificate > > Hello everyone, > Well - we finally had a trip to Budapest (in > November) that was > aborted after only a couple of days due to my > father's health. I > didn't really get to find much out about the things > I wanted to. I am > left with trying to obtain his birth certificate now > from afar. Major > problem is that he was born in what was then and > what is now Ukraine > - but he insisted his whole life that he was > Hungarian. Ethnically, > he is - but legally - I am not sure, and he has no > idea either and > the memories are not coming back. If he was in fact > born in Beregovo > in 1929, do I need to be going to the Ukranians to > try to obtain his > birth certificate? > > Anthony __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

<<I believe what she meant by they were not citizens yet was that they >did not marry these men to become a citizen themselves because the men >were already citizens.>> I am sorry but the above sentence does not make sense at all to me. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

That is exactly what I meant. ;) Anne MKVIRG@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 2/9/2006 4:53:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, >asprentz@buckeye-express.com writes: > >Was it common to do this? The men they married were Hungarian >Immigrants, and had not become citizens yet. > > > >I believe what she meant by they were not citizens yet was that they did not >marry these men to become a citizen themselves because the men were already >citizens. > >Marge > > > > >__________________________________________________________ >Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com >9:35:28 AM ET - 2/10/2006 > > > >

In a message dated 2/9/2006 4:53:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, asprentz@buckeye-express.com writes: Was it common to do this? The men they married were Hungarian Immigrants, and had not become citizens yet. I believe what she meant by they were not citizens yet was that they did not marry these men to become a citizen themselves because the men were already citizens. Marge

Kedves Elizabeth, You are looking for an appropriate gift to send to Hungary for someone who has everything. I have had to make this choice with friends from Hungary, England, Holland, Spain and South Africa. The friend from Holland whose husband has a manufacturing business, did request velour towels. I had asked her her preference for a gift and sent sets of two. They visited us at Christmas and she still thanks me for them. I would use this method as a first option, ask him if there is something he would like you to send. I'm sure if he does express a desire to have a particular item, it will be within reason. A Hungarian native now living in England who has her doctorate and her husband is titled, appreciated the Lenox China centerpiece I sent them; the couple in South Africa were grateful for the Lenox China luminary. We just happen to live near a Lenox outlet store. I take notice that foreign guests visiting us or sending gifts through the mail generally give glass or pottery indigenous to their country. This makes a nice "family" gift. We have received Lladro from Spain, pottery from Hungary, Delft from Holland. If you and your cousin run out of ideas, send them something indigenous to Florida. A gift box of citrus candies/jellies and some pre-mix packages for making key lime scones would be appreciated. Keeping the gift small in size for mailing and just for the individual, a semiprecious gem stone (perhaps coral) money-clip should do the trick. Marika

I have an interesting story regarding marriages from some family history and I will copy it exactly as portrayed by my grandfather who was born in Ebergoc, Hungary in 1909 and emmigrated to "Delray" Detroit in 1912: "So here was Mari with five kids aged thirteen to newborn to take care of, taking in boarders - as many as eight boarders at the same time. With the move to Lyon Street and the new home, it was decided that Mari would no longer take in boarders. These boarders are mentioned both to show the industriousness of the couple and because one of them, Steve Hadju, was instrumental in bringing (the Fuzi's) Kalman, Mari, and family to live in the vicinity of Cadillac. Steve during the time he was a boarder with the Fuzi's, along with two other young gentleman (names lost) decided to respond to an ad which advertised "Hungarian women looking for Hungarian men interested in matrimony." The ad Steve responded to was written by a young lady named Anna Fulky who was living with her uncle outside of Boon. Anna's response to Steve's letter was to show up on the Fuzi doorstep asking to meet this man Steve Hadju. They were married soon after." This all took place in what was known as "Delray" in Detroit about 1919. This Steve and Anna kept in contact with my great-grandparents continually writing of the beautiful country surrounding their farm and the high price paid for potatoes and always included an invite for the Fuzi family to visit. Needless to say My great-grandparents visited and it just so happened a farm about a mile from Steve and Anna's was for sale. My family purchased the farm and now we, and descendants of Steve and Anna still live near eachother on the same lands...same homes...and still communicate. Hope this may help with your question....to me it made for some interesting reading! Tina Fuzi-Southwick southwick@voyager.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Sprentz To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:45 PM Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Marriages in the US I just noticed something today and thought it was odd. One of my ancestors got engaged within 3 weeks of arriving in the US, and married within 4 weeks of her arrival. Another ancestor on a different side ( both Hungarian) married within a month of her arrival in the US. Was it common to do this? The men they married were Hungarian immigrants, and had not become citizens yet. Anyone else have real quick marriages like these? Anne

One did not have to be a citizen to get married then and you don't need to be to get married now. My grandparents didn't know each other in Hungary but met here...how I do not know...one spoke Hungarian and one spoke German but they married within a year of coming here. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

Hello list, I am forwarding this letter regarding a law being presented in New Jersey that will greatly hinder research in New Jersey. Many of us have a family connection in New Jersey. This can happen as early as March 2nd , I feel we need to know. Please read the letter below. Julie B. in NC -----Original Message----- From: Joan M Lowry [mailto:jmlowry@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:29 PM To: NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GSNJ] NJ Vital Records Access Threatened Hello All In light of recent discussions on this list regarding NJ Vital Records access, I thought that you should have more information on the serious piece of pending legislation that would remove virtually all Vital Records from the realm of Public Records, Assembly Bill 1390. In addition to making the records non-public, the bill would further restrict who would be allowed to obtain copies and would allow only "viewing" of the records to others. The bill also would make it against the law to "transfer, sell, share, reproduce or otherwise disclose the information to another party." There would be penalties for disclosing the information that could be serious fines or even jail time. I don't know how anyone can write a history book, article, or anything else if you can't share the information, or provide a documented source for the information. The proposed bill, Assembly Bill 1390, is a product of the Homeland Security and State Preparedness Committee. You can see the proposed language at http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bills/A1500/1390_I1.PDF. You can also get there from the Genealogical Society of New Jersey's website www.gsnj.org by going to the page for Legislative Alerts (the direct page link is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/legislation.html.) This bill may be heard by the Assembly as early as March 2. I urge you to make contact with the sponsors of the bill via fax or email as soon as possible to ask them to amend the bill. There is a summary sheet on the GSNJ website that gives more information on the bill and proposed amended language. There are also sample letters for use by individuals and by societies and organizations. See the Legislative Alerts page on the GSNJ website I would welcome any comments or assistance that can be offered to help us get the bill changed before it is too late! My email address is: mailto:jml-gsnj@earthlink.net Thank you very much. Sincerely, Joan M. Lowry, President Genealogical Society of New Jersey www.gsnj.org ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== GSNJ Newsletter: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/newsletter.html ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/251 - Release Date: 2/4/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 2/8/2006

These were men they did not know from the 'old country'. I could see that happening if that were the case. marlo wrote: > Many times those men lift their women in the "old country" and came to > make a beginning for themselves and their intended and when they had > enough money they sent for the lady and married them as soon as they > arrived. Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Sprentz" > <asprentz@buckeye-express.com> > To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:45 PM > Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Marriages in the US > > >> I just noticed something today and thought it was odd. One of my >> ancestors got engaged within 3 weeks of arriving in the US, and >> married within 4 weeks of her arrival. >> Another ancestor on a different side ( both Hungarian) married >> within a month of her arrival in the US. >> >> Was it common to do this? The men they married were Hungarian >> immigrants, and had not become citizens yet. >> >> Anyone else have real quick marriages like these? >> >> Anne >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 2/9/2006 >> >> > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com > 5:34:16 PM ET - 2/9/2006 > >

Many times those men lift their women in the "old country" and came to make a beginning for themselves and their intended and when they had enough money they sent for the lady and married them as soon as they arrived. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Sprentz" <asprentz@buckeye-express.com> To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:45 PM Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Marriages in the US >I just noticed something today and thought it was odd. One of my ancestors >got engaged within 3 weeks of arriving in the US, and married within 4 >weeks of her arrival. > Another ancestor on a different side ( both Hungarian) married within a > month of her arrival in the US. > > Was it common to do this? The men they married were Hungarian immigrants, > and had not become citizens yet. > > Anyone else have real quick marriages like these? > > Anne > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 2/9/2006 > >

Anne, You wrote: < One of my ancestors got engaged within 3 weeks of arriving in the US, and married within 4 weeks of her arrival. Another ancestor on a different side ( both Hungarian) married within a month of her arrival in the US. Was it common to do this? The men they married were Hungarian immigrants, and had not become citizens yet.> Were these possibly situations where the male immigrants left Hungary alone and their "sweethearts" from home joined him in America? I don't believe becoming a US Citizen had anything to do with the ability to get married in the US. I know for a fact that my father legally married before he obtained his US Citizenship. Jerry

I just noticed something today and thought it was odd. One of my ancestors got engaged within 3 weeks of arriving in the US, and married within 4 weeks of her arrival. Another ancestor on a different side ( both Hungarian) married within a month of her arrival in the US. Was it common to do this? The men they married were Hungarian immigrants, and had not become citizens yet. Anyone else have real quick marriages like these? Anne

Does anyone have any idea what I can send to a cousin in Hungary who seems to have everything? Is there something uniquely American that would be appreciated? I remember a cousin of mine in Ireland asked for bath towels...she said the quality they had in the stores was awful and when I went to visit I had to agree. My cousins and myself want to send him or his family something very, very nice as he has been wonderful to us. Thanks Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net