Often wrote names in their language. We just had a confusing situation where we found Seller and Scheller and then Seller again in the church records. My cousin in Hungary explained that Hungarian speaking priests wrote Seller and the German speaking wrote Scheller. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

Agreed. There might be any number of a handful of reasons for variation in spelling of names. Sometimes the spelling of a name also had to do with where the borders were drawn in any particular year, in which case, the name might spelled in the primary language of the occupying country. ~Jodi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Kozlay" <kozlay@comcast.net> To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] writing > This was not just a matter of literacy. The exact spelling of a surname was > not standardized, as long as it approximated the pronunciation. An > individual, even an educated one, might spell his name more than one way. I > have several examples of this as late as the mid-19th century. That is why > it is futile for people to search for the "correct" spelling of their > surname. > > Janet

This was not just a matter of literacy. The exact spelling of a surname was not standardized, as long as it approximated the pronunciation. An individual, even an educated one, might spell his name more than one way. I have several examples of this as late as the mid-19th century. That is why it is futile for people to search for the "correct" spelling of their surname. Janet -----Original Message----- From: Joseph M. Nemeth [mailto:nimpex@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:18 PM To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] writing Margaret, In the old days they quite often interchanged the c and t, for instance in "Pauntz" and "Pauncz". A lot of the common people could not read or write, so the educated person (priest etc.) spelled the names the way they thought it should be spelled. JMN -----Original Message----- From: marlo [mailto:marlo50@nwonline.net] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:07 AM To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HUNGARY-L] writing We found an entry in a Greek Catholic church where it looks like the c is a t in the middle of the name. Is it possible that a priest who made the entries wrote so that we read it as a t instead of a c? This was in the early 1800 and went on for a few years. Margaret

Margaret, In the old days they quite often interchanged the c and t, for instance in "Pauntz" and "Pauncz". A lot of the common people could not read or write, so the educated person (priest etc.) spelled the names the way they thought it should be spelled. JMN -----Original Message----- From: marlo [mailto:marlo50@nwonline.net] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:07 AM To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HUNGARY-L] writing We found an entry in a Greek Catholic church where it looks like the c is a t in the middle of the name. Is it possible that a priest who made the entries wrote so that we read it as a t instead of a c? This was in the early 1800 and went on for a few years. Margaret

We found an entry in a Greek Catholic church where it looks like the c is a t in the middle of the name. Is it possible that a priest who made the entries wrote so that we read it as a t instead of a c? This was in the early 1800 and went on for a few years. Margaret

Anne, My gfather was from Yugoslavia, and came over first. My gmother was from Budapest - it was an arranged marriage, and their first meeting was when he picked her up in NY when she got "off the boat". They married soon after, then went to his farm in Ohio. Carla

<<only can add: if new clothing remove any stickers; they will then consider them used ones. But I think the duty starts to accrue over that amount anyway - though I don't exactly know how high.>> Yes, Joe, they are brand new NHL tee shirts my cousins teen age son requested. I will remove the labels and declare it as used clothing. Thanks for the tip. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

Elizabeth V Cardinal wrote: > I am going to send a package to Hungary containing approximately $50.00 > worth of clothing. > > How much is $50.00 in Hungarian and Euro monies. > > Thanks > > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > evc1369@comcast.net OK, Elizabeth, only can add: if new clothing remove any stickers; they will then consider them used ones. But I think the duty starts to accrue over that amount anyway - though I don't exactly know how high. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@ezaccess.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by ezaccess.net]

Elizabeth V Cardinal wrote: > I am going to send a package to Hungary containing approximately $50.00 > worth of clothing. > > How much is $50.00 in Hungarian and Euro monies. > > Thanks > > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > evc1369@comcast.net Hi Elizabeth, not going to feed you fish, but teach you how to fish! :-) http://www.xe.com/ucc/ Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@ezaccess.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by ezaccess.net]

I am going to send a package to Hungary containing approximately $50.00 worth of clothing. How much is $50.00 in Hungarian and Euro monies. Thanks Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

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I never came across this one before...perhaps you haven't either. http://countrystudies.us/hungary/ Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

http://www.katolikus.hu/index_ang.html Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/country/hu.html Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

Richard Spacer wrote: > I wish to know if Roman Catholic Dioceses in Hungary have websites and > email contact. > > I understand I can request vital records through the Hungarian Consul > in NY (and have done so previously) and that I can search via the LDS > microfilms. However I may have a contact in Hungary who could > personally visit such offices and pay for documents in forints. > > Does anyone have emails for the diocese offices with jurisdiction over > the following places: 1. Barsonyos 2.Kisberen 3.Tarkany 4. Tes? > > Do you think anyone at these offices would read English? > > What is the local forint cost for birth, marriage, and death records? > > Many thanks. > > Richard Spacer Hi Richard, the url is for the Catholic church in Hungary: http://www.katolikus.hu/dioc_mag.html As you can see it's all in Hungarian. You should be able to send it to your contact in Hungary to find the relevant dioceses for your places. Every diocese has an archive associated with it where copies of the parish books are located. They can not do research for you, and under normal circumstances won't issue certified copies of records for genealogical research. On the other hand the local town hall can issue (for civil records after October 1, 1895) for certain requests (mostly for direct relatives and descendants), and the Embassy of Hungary (or Consulates) can obtain certified copies of church records prior to 1895 (which were then the official civil records as well). Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@ezaccess.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by ezaccess.net]

Dr. Everythin'llballright wrote: > I'm looking for any information regarding the people below. I also > need to find someone familiar with Hungarian genealogy so I can > further my search into the town/city listed below in Hungary. I feel > there should be very good records somewhere that documents these two > people. > > Paul J Fabian, born 1883... came to US in 1901, stated he was from > Somlo, Veszprem, Hungary.. settled in Columbus Ohio... Died 12/2/1953 > Obit states he had a sister, Margaret Olah of Zanesville Ohio > > Julia Toth (married Paul between 1901-1905), born 8/16/1883... census > shows she came to US in 1888 but cannot find her on Ellis Island > records yet. Settled in Columbus Ohio. Died 6/19/1963 > Obit states she had a sister, Mrs. Mary Turhont and brother, Joseph Toth > > I have Julia's Social Security number, but not Paul's (yet). Give me > some ideas where I can go from here. I'm contacting the church they > belonged to in Columbus (St. Ladislas) this week in hopes of finding > more info. Oh, ONE MORE THING... they belonged to several different > "lodges" which I can't find... Hungarian Reform Lodge, Columbus... > Rockosy Lodge, Columbus... William Penn Lodge, Columbus. Anyone heard > of any of these? > > CC > loverulez@yahoo.com Hi CC, LDS (Mormons) have copies of the Catholic church records from Somlóvásárhely, which should be the same as Somló. Film # 699668 should contain Paul's birth record. And if his family resided in the same place for a few generations other films ( 699667 & 699669) you can search for his ancestors. You won't find Julia's ship manifest at EI, because processing started there in 1892. A good research guide can be found here: http://home.att.net/~arnielang/ship05.html The different lodges and associations were 'self' help organizations for health and burial insurance, saving associations, etc. You can find some information on them with any search engine. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@ezaccess.net

Elizabeth Cardianal and Joseph Jarfas wrote: http://www.katolikus.hu/dioc_ang.html You may want to start with the above website. My experience has been that they ask you to use the FHC films. Hope this helps. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net Hi Richard, the url is for the Catholic church in Hungary: http://www.katolikus.hu/dioc_mag.html As you can see it's all in Hungarian. You should be able to send it to your contact in Hungary to find the relevant dioceses for your places. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@ezaccess.net Elizabeth and Joseph, I tried the link which Elizabeth sent and it does not work and what Joseph sent was in Hungarian. I did a search on google and came up with the same url that Elizabeth sent and I tried to send that same url and it did not work. So if you do a google search on "roman catholic diocese in hungary" and you will come up with several thousand results. If you click on the second one which has the word DIOCESES in bold lettering and click on it you should be able to get the English version. Don't ask me why but this worked for me. Hope this helps, Laszlo (Les) Josa

BSKTBTQUE@aol.com wrote: > Hi > > Hope someone can help me. > > I sent for my mother-in-law's birth certificate to Satoraljaujhely, > Hungary > where she told me she was born, through the Consulate General's > office. It was > returned "not found". > > On her Declaration of Intent, she gives Sernje, Hungary as where > born...is > this a different place from Satoraljaujhely? > > Thank you > Marie Hi Marie, hope they did not charge you for the search! :-) As to your place: the closest I can find would be Szernye, in old county Bereg, district Mezőkaszony, which is located in Ukraine presently as Szernye (Barkaszovo). There were also others: Alsószernye, in old county Trencsén, district Trencsén - in Slovakia now as Dolné Srnie, and Felsőszernye, also Trencsén, district Puhó. Slovak name Horné Srnie. The closest place to Sátoraljaújhely would be the one in Ukraine today. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@ezaccess.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by ezaccess.net]

http://www.katolikus.hu/dioc_ang.html You may want to start with the above website. My experience has been that they ask you to use the FHC films. However; it will most likely be different if someone goes in person. The records in the Vezsprem Diocese are kept in the parish where the event took place. Hope this helps. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net