OH bye the bye Happy Joseph's name day to all on Sunday. Sándor, József, Benedek, hozzátok a jó meleget. József (Joseph) Serflek ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheryl BALOG wenberg" <cherlock@cheqnet.net> To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] Bush on the Revolution No one could ever forget 9-11. However, this is a genealogy site. Lets keep it there. cheryl BALOG wenberg ----- Original Message ----- From: J Soos To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] Bush on the Revolution I agree with Ms. Cardinal. And on common ground, I think we can all agree we'd rather see dead al Qaeda than dead innocent fellow humans in New York, Pennslyvania and Virginia regardless of where we went to school and how well we speak English or, for that matter, Hungarian. Y'all stay safe. They'll be back. Joe JOSEPH N. SOOS, SR. REMEMBER - September 11, 2001 ----- Original Message ---- From: Elizabeth V Cardinal <evc1369@comcast.net> To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:51:17 PM Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] Bush on the Revolution Listers you are correct, I should not have posted what has turned into a political discussion. Those who admire Bush can see no wrong ..no mistakes in the man. Those who don't like him will find fault all the time. I doubt too many people can deny his use of the English language is very poor. One reason I posted the message was to show how some people in Hungary view our president. I have heard from others off list who live in Hungary and who feel he is an embarrassment. The Statement I forwarded was an official one from the White House. How do you question that source. As someone just said lets leave American politics alone...which includes how people around the world view Mr. Bush and get back to Hungarian History and genealogy. Is it offensive to discuss Hungarian politics then and now? Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

I have uploaded some records for Zemplen Megye on a website. I uploaded them in hopes that they would be useful to others. I have only copied and uploaded those pages in which my ancestors appear, so these are not complete records by any means. You will have to be able to read the records yourself, because I can't help with translations. I have lost my Handy Guide To Hungarian Genealogy, so I'm not even sure of the record titles. With that said, here is the link. http://www.geocities.com/offdahook4now/records If alot of people click on it, the site will go down for an hour, but keep trying. Anne

Listers you are correct, I should not have posted what has turned into a political discussion. Those who admire Bush can see no wrong ..no mistakes in the man. Those who don't like him will find fault all the time. I doubt too many people can deny his use of the English language is very poor. One reason I posted the message was to show how some people in Hungary view our president. I have heard from others off list who live in Hungary and who feel he is an embarrassment. The Statement I forwarded was an official one from the White House. How do you question that source. As someone just said lets leave American politics alone...which includes how people around the world view Mr. Bush and get back to Hungarian History and genealogy. Is it offensive to discuss Hungarian politics then and now? Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

No one could ever forget 9-11. However, this is a genealogy site. Lets keep it there. cheryl BALOG wenberg ----- Original Message ----- From: J Soos To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] Bush on the Revolution I agree with Ms. Cardinal. And on common ground, I think we can all agree we'd rather see dead al Qaeda than dead innocent fellow humans in New York, Pennslyvania and Virginia regardless of where we went to school and how well we speak English or, for that matter, Hungarian. Y'all stay safe. They'll be back. Joe JOSEPH N. SOOS, SR. REMEMBER - September 11, 2001 ----- Original Message ---- From: Elizabeth V Cardinal <evc1369@comcast.net> To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:51:17 PM Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] Bush on the Revolution Listers you are correct, I should not have posted what has turned into a political discussion. Those who admire Bush can see no wrong ..no mistakes in the man. Those who don't like him will find fault all the time. I doubt too many people can deny his use of the English language is very poor. One reason I posted the message was to show how some people in Hungary view our president. I have heard from others off list who live in Hungary and who feel he is an embarrassment. The Statement I forwarded was an official one from the White House. How do you question that source. As someone just said lets leave American politics alone...which includes how people around the world view Mr. Bush and get back to Hungarian History and genealogy. Is it offensive to discuss Hungarian politics then and now? Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

Here is a release from the Hungarian News Agency translated into English: QUOTE President Bush marks Hungary's national day Washington, March 16 (MTI) - United States President George Bush attended a celebration of Hungary's national day, the 158th anniversary of the 1848 revolution, at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, saying Hungary's example demonstrated the universality of man's desire for freedom. The president said he attended the celebration to pay his respects to a strong ally and a good friend. "The Hungarian example is an example of patience. And an example of the fact that freedom exists in everybody's soul. It is an example that tyranny can never stamp out the desire to be free," the president said in a brief speech. The commemoration was organised by the Congress and the Hungarian Embassy to pay tribute to Hungary's contribution to the causes of freedom and democracy both in 1848/49 and during the 1956 uprising against Soviet dominance and communist rule. UNQUOTE NOTE THE COMMENORATION WAS ORGANIZED ... TO PAY TRIBUTE ...BOTH IN 1848/1849 AND DURING THE 1956 UPRISING Check it out at _http://english.mti.hu/default.asp?menu=1&theme=2&cat=25&newsid=216821_ (http://english.mti.hu/default.asp?menu=1&theme=2&cat=25&newsid=216821) It appears the Hungarian press has no problem with his statement. Look before you leap may be a good suggestion here! Jerry

Nice if we could keep politics off this list.....starting now.

In reply to; I am embarrassed. And Bush graduated from Yale!!?? jnsbear@yahoo.com writes : From the text of the President's speech, a few other people attended this ceremony and it was him responding to an invitation to the event. The question is where did the rest of these folks go to school, especially the Hungarian Ambassador and Congressman Lantos? When invited was the Prez supposed to tell them, sorry, boys, y'all have the wrong date? Joe, You must remember, no matter what happens it's Bush's fault---unless something good happens!!! At least, that's what those who sit back and just wait for the opportunity to take a pot shot must think!! Jerry

I agree with Ms. Cardinal. And on common ground, I think we can all agree we'd rather see dead al Qaeda than dead innocent fellow humans in New York, Pennslyvania and Virginia regardless of where we went to school and how well we speak English or, for that matter, Hungarian. Y'all stay safe. They'll be back. Joe JOSEPH N. SOOS, SR. REMEMBER - September 11, 2001 ----- Original Message ---- From: Elizabeth V Cardinal <evc1369@comcast.net> To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:51:17 PM Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] Bush on the Revolution Listers you are correct, I should not have posted what has turned into a political discussion. Those who admire Bush can see no wrong ..no mistakes in the man. Those who don't like him will find fault all the time. I doubt too many people can deny his use of the English language is very poor. One reason I posted the message was to show how some people in Hungary view our president. I have heard from others off list who live in Hungary and who feel he is an embarrassment. The Statement I forwarded was an official one from the White House. How do you question that source. As someone just said lets leave American politics alone...which includes how people around the world view Mr. Bush and get back to Hungarian History and genealogy. Is it offensive to discuss Hungarian politics then and now? Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

Being a very old, retired homicide copper, I tend to go to the source, so I spoke with a cultural attache at the Hungarian Embassy in Washington, DC. I specifically noted the Prez's remarks to him and asked for comment. Reply was that the occasion was to celebrate Hungarian National Day as noted by Jerry and reaching all the way back to 1858, generally noted as a "bloodless revolution" - it was not), incorporating 1956 (a stunning near-achievement of courage and determination) and 1989. The cultural attache of Hungary to the US advised he loved the remarks of the Prez of the US and let us not forget, he actually visited our land of origin. Aside to Jerry - I frequently look before I leap, the men and women of '56 didn't and damned if you can't admire them. Long and short - The US Prez has a couple of things on his plate ranging from space exploration to illegal immigration to Katrina to gas prices to employment figures to debt to a couple of wars. And, of course, being invited to Hungarian National Day celebs at the US Capitol. I suspect if he were in office when Eisenhower was, he would have dropped the 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions into Hungary when they tossed the Soviets out in '56 for a week. As a boy, I remember listening to the radio broadcasts of a Hungarian patriot begging over the radio, "Please send help." as tank shells crashed around him. Just a guess, but the Prez does love democracy. But then, don't we all. The Bear, aka Joe Charlottesville, VA - USA JOSEPH N. SOOS, SR. REMEMBER - September 11, 2001 ----- Original Message ---- From: JJasper381@aol.com To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:39:48 PM Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Bush on the Revolution Here is a release from the Hungarian News Agency translated into English: QUOTE President Bush marks Hungary's national day Washington, March 16 (MTI) - United States President George Bush attended a celebration of Hungary's national day, the 158th anniversary of the 1848 revolution, at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, saying Hungary's example demonstrated the universality of man's desire for freedom. The president said he attended the celebration to pay his respects to a strong ally and a good friend. "The Hungarian example is an example of patience. And an example of the fact that freedom exists in everybody's soul. It is an example that tyranny can never stamp out the desire to be free," the president said in a brief speech. The commemoration was organised by the Congress and the Hungarian Embassy to pay tribute to Hungary's contribution to the causes of freedom and democracy both in 1848/49 and during the 1956 uprising against Soviet dominance and communist rule. UNQUOTE NOTE THE COMMENORATION WAS ORGANIZED ... TO PAY TRIBUTE ...BOTH IN 1848/1849 AND DURING THE 1956 UPRISING Check it out at _http://english.mti.hu/default.asp?menu=1&theme=2&cat=25&newsid=216821_ (http://english.mti.hu/default.asp?menu=1&theme=2&cat=25&newsid=216821) It appears the Hungarian press has no problem with his statement. Look before you leap may be a good suggestion here! Jerry

Thanks Joe. I am marking my calendar as you can't sign up until the 20th. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

My cousin in Hungary sent this to me a few minutes ago. I am embarrassed. And Bush graduated from Yale!!?? A slip from your President: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060315-4.html Marc.15 is holiday of 1848-49 revolution and Hungarian War of Independence against Habsburgs.(158th anniversary) The 50th anniversary of the Hungarian uprising, the first significant move against Soviet dominance in central Europe will in Okt.23.2006.

From the text of the President's speech, a few other people attended this ceremony and it was him responding to an invitation to the event. The question is where did the rest of these folks go to school, especially the Hungarian Ambassador and Congressman Lantos? When invited was the Prez supposed to tell them, sorry, boys, y'all have the wrong date? "I appreciate being here with the Mayor of our city, Mayor Williams. Good to see you, Mr. Mayor. I appreciate Chairman Hyde. Mr. Chairman, it's good to see you. I thank the members of the diplomatic corps, most particularly, Ambassador Walker. I've heard of him before. (Laughter.) Ambassador Simonyi -- thank you all. Members of Congress, most particularly a beacon for -- a steadfast beacon for liberty is how I'd like to define my friend, Tom Lantos." Joe JOSEPH N. SOOS, SR. REMEMBER - September 11, 2001 ----- Original Message ---- From: Elizabeth V Cardinal <evc1369@comcast.net> To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:38:01 PM Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Bush on the Revolution My cousin in Hungary sent this to me a few minutes ago. I am embarrassed. And Bush graduated from Yale!!?? A slip from your President: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060315-4.html Marc.15 is holiday of 1848-49 revolution and Hungarian War of Independence against Habsburgs.(158th anniversary) The 50th anniversary of the Hungarian uprising, the first significant move against Soviet dominance in central Europe will in Okt.23.2006.

Hi all, just received word about this: "As a way to introduce potential members to the wealth of information available to members, NEHGS is pleased to offer free access to one of the thousands of databases on NewEnglandAncestors.org, The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Normally available only to NEHGS members, the Register database will be accessible to all from Monday, March 20 through Wednesday, March 22, 2006. "Published quarterly since 1847, the Register is the flagship journal of American genealogy and the oldest journal in the field. The database includes issues from 1847 to 1994. For more information visit www.newenglandancestors.org/research/Database/register/reg_info.asp. Non-members will be asked to provide contact information, which will not be shared, but will be used to send information about membership to visitors. Visitors will be taken automatically to the Register database after submitting their information. "PLEASE NOTE: Only the extensive Register database will be open for public use. The remainder of the databases continue to be accessible to members only." Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@ezaccess.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by ezaccess.net]

HI I am new to this list and I don't have very much information, but I am looking for Steve Szabo that married Clara Jerry... The Szabo family is from Rockakazend (not sure of the spelling) Hungary....They had three daughters, Julianna, Elizabeth and Marie....Steve and Clara came to the United States in the early 1900's... Hope someone can help me with this... Thanks Cindy Cindy

Cindy wrote: > HI > > I am new to this list and I don't have very much information, but I am > looking for Steve Szabo that married Clara Jerry... > The Szabo family is from Rockakazend (not sure of the spelling) > Hungary....They had three daughters, Julianna, Elizabeth and > Marie....Steve and Clara came to the United States in the early 1900's... > > Hope someone can help me with this... > > Thanks > Cindy Hi Cindy, you indeed don't have much to go on! :-) But let's see if we can 'cajole' more relevant information out of you so we can help you. As an introduction, but maybe you know it already, just about every place in Hungary had a few Szabó families. It's a very common name, therefore determining the exact place of origin is paramount. Your place "Rockakazend" is clearly a mis-spelling, but still would like to know where it comes from? Ship manifest, naturalization papers, birth, marriage or death records, or somewhere else? You told us (implied) Steve and Clara (which would be István and Klára in Hungarian) were married in Hungary. Were the kids all born here? Do you have any census records for them? Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@ezaccess.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by ezaccess.net]

Hi Everyone I wonder if I could again ask for someone's help to translate a letter from Hungarian to English - from another 'possible' relative. I can send scanned copy if anyone is able to help me out. With thanks Maria Mikolics mikolicsm@westnet.com.au RESEARCHING: Germany - Zemke, Borck, Stremel, Müller Hungary - Mikolics, Nyúl Tóth, Kárner, Major, Nagy, Borbely, Csonka, Kozcek, Nyere, Marsa/Maksa

Hi all, somebody just found this web site - Greek Catholic villages, priests and references: http://www.cisarik.com/ Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@ezaccess.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by ezaccess.net]

Methinks it is Szerednye not Szerenye which is now in Ukraine but in 1921 it would have been in Czechoslovakia and before 1919 in Ung county, Hungary. On the road East from Ungvar/Uzhorod... Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: <BSKTBTQUE@aol.com> To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Szerenye in 1921 > Hi > > I am very confused even with all the wonderful assistance from this > group....:) > > I found a distant relative arriving in 1921. He gave Szerenye as place of > birth but now (1921) it is in Czechoslovia instead of Hungary. > > How can I find where this town/village is now? Is it Hungary, Czech., > Ukraine or ?? > > Hope someone can help me further. I have already ordered a birth record > which cost me quite a bit from the Hungarian Embassy with no luck and > don't want > to go this route again until I am sure I have the right country...but I > cannot > figure it out..:( > > Thank you and thanks to those who have offered help already...:) > Marie > >

BSKTBTQUE@aol.com wrote: > Hi > > I am very confused even with all the wonderful assistance from this > group....:) > > I found a distant relative arriving in 1921. He gave Szerenye as place of > birth but now (1921) it is in Czechoslovia instead of Hungary. > > How can I find where this town/village is now? Is it Hungary, Czech., > Ukraine or ?? > > Hope someone can help me further. I have already ordered a birth record > which cost me quite a bit from the Hungarian Embassy with no luck and > don't want > to go this route again until I am sure I have the right country...but > I cannot > figure it out..:( > > Thank you and thanks to those who have offered help already...:) > Marie Not an easy task, Marie, what you are trying to do! :-( From your first query I assumed you are looking for a surname in present day Hungary. Be very careful with the spelling: one or two letters make a big difference. Now to your ship manifest: true, the place of birth is given as Szerenye. But when you look at last residence it's written Szernye. So let's assume we are dealing here with Szernye (Szerenye did not exist). The problem is back in 1921 there were three Szernye's in Czechoslovakia: Alsószernye, Felsőszernye and Szernye. The last one, plain Szernye, belongs today to Ukraine. Knowing that your relative was a Jew it would be safe to assume he came from Szernye - and not the others. But before you go and spend money on trying to obtain birth certificates, do you research here and ascertain that he indeed comes from there. Find his Social Security sign up sheet, marriage record (if any) and the Census of 1930 can also corroborate his place of birth. Maybe a death certificate can help as well. Do you know of any descendants? They might have old letters, pictures or other documents giving hints about him, his parents and whereabouts. Sorry for the misleading information I provided you earlier. The way you phrased your question - and the word itself - led me to search for present day Szernai/y's in Hungary. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@ezaccess.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by ezaccess.net]

Hi I am very confused even with all the wonderful assistance from this group....:) I found a distant relative arriving in 1921. He gave Szerenye as place of birth but now (1921) it is in Czechoslovia instead of Hungary. How can I find where this town/village is now? Is it Hungary, Czech., Ukraine or ?? Hope someone can help me further. I have already ordered a birth record which cost me quite a bit from the Hungarian Embassy with no luck and don't want to go this route again until I am sure I have the right country...but I cannot figure it out..:( Thank you and thanks to those who have offered help already...:) Marie