Sometimes when I request a message board at the Ancestry site it is denied. So.....anyone looking for the BELANYI name....here is an article that I found. The Daily Courier Connellsville, Pa. Aug. 29, 1961 Sydney, Australia Hungarian Refugee Commits Suicide A Hungarian Refugee, holding a photograph of his wife and two children behind the Iron Curtain, shot and killed himself on his 40th Birthday today. For Janos BELANYI, it was the end of a fruitless five year fight to rescue his family from the communist world. "He just could not take it anymore," said BELANYI'S brother Victor. cheryl BALOG wenberg

Hi Everyone I have been looking for these two ships for some years now and still haven't been able to find a full passenger list for them. The "Oxford" left London January 1883, was towed into Cardiff after a mishap, then April 1883 left Plymouth and arrived Wellington NZ July 1883. The "Fritz Reuter" left Hamburg November 1874, was assisted to Cuxhaven after damage, then December 1874 left Cuxhaven and arrived Napier NZ March 1875. If anyone has come across these ships lately or know of any new passenger lists that have come available I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance Roslyn.

Hi there, I put vicov into jewishgen's shtetlseeker. Possible matches include: Vukova, Croatia Bacov, Czech Republic Becov, Czech Republic Bukova, Czech Republic Bacova, Romania Beèov, Slovakia Bukovo, Slovenia Basov, Ukraine Bokov, Ukraine These are a sampling of a vastly more extensive listing. In my sampling of close finds I tried to include most of the countries that were once part of Greater Hungary. There is an exact match for Vicov in the Czech Republic: Vícov 49°29' 16°58' 118.9 miles ESE of Praha This exact match may not be the right one for you. The search engine I used can be found at www.jewishgen.org Hope this helps. ...... Good Evening! Do any of you know of a good site for a map that shows N.Vadas, Hungary? My grandfather is shown as immigrating from there in 1909 but I cannot find this location on any of the map sites I know of. I always thought he came from a place named VICOV. Thank you in advance. researching these surnames BUGAN-ANDRSIK SMEHIL HOLES ZAJAC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Rosyln, Type in Vivisimo.com as a search engine. Then type in SS Fritz Reuter Ship There is a small bit of information there. cheryl BALOG wenberg ----- Original Message ----- From: mapa To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Shipping Oxford & Fritz Reuter Hi Everyone I have been looking for these two ships for some years now and still haven't been able to find a full passenger list for them. The "Oxford" left London January 1883, was towed into Cardiff after a mishap, then April 1883 left Plymouth and arrived Wellington NZ July 1883. The "Fritz Reuter" left Hamburg November 1874, was assisted to Cuxhaven after damage, then December 1874 left Cuxhaven and arrived Napier NZ March 1875. If anyone has come across these ships lately or know of any new passenger lists that have come available I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance Roslyn.

From the 1913 Radix Gazetteer, the following villages were found with the name Vadas : Place Status County (1913) District (1913) Current country Alsóvadas kisközség Trencsén Kiszuczaújhelyi Slovakia Felsõvadas kisközség Trencsén Kiszuczaújhelyi Slovakia Alsóvadász nagyközség Abauj-Torna Szikszói Hungary Felsõvadász kisközség Abauj-Torna Szikszói Hungary Kisvadas kisközség Bereg Szolyvai Ukraine Vadászfalva kisközség Ung Szobránczi Slovakia Vadász nagyközség Arad Kisjenõi Romania Vadasd kisközség Maros-Torda Marosi alsó Romania No Vicov is found in the 1913 Radix Gazetteer. Hope this helps! Jerry

Good Evening! Do any of you know of a good site for a map that shows N.Vadas, Hungary? My grandfather is shown as immigrating from there in 1909 but I cannot find this location on any of the map sites I know of. I always thought he came from a place named VICOV. Thank you in advance. researching these surnames BUGAN-ANDRSIK SMEHIL HOLES ZAJAC

Kathy, Is your mother planning on selling copies of any of these books? Thank you, cheryl BALOG wenberg ----- Original Message ----- From: kdobronyi@intergate.com To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:26 AM Subject: [HUNGARY-L] 1828 Hungarian Census My mother, Martha Remer CONNOR, has 20 books about the 1828 land census according to the various Hungarian counties. They are listed in the WorldCat List of Records. 1. Germans & Hungarians: 1828 Land Census BARANYA COUNTY, Hungary 2. ibid BACS BODROG 3. ibid TORONTAL 4. ibid MARAMAROS & UGOCSA 5. ibid TOLNA 6. ibid. ESZTERGOM & HONT 7. ibid BERG & UNG 8. ibid SZATMAR 9. ibid ARAD 10. ibid FEJER 11. ibid VESZPREM 12. ibid KRASSO 13. ibid TEMES County, Hungary, now in Romania 14. ibid MOSON 15. ibid GYOR 16. ibid ZEMPLEN 17. ibid BEKES, CSANAD & CSONGRAD 18. ibid POSZONY 19. Germans & Hungarians: 1828 Hungarian land census: book of cities: a complete list of cities and associated counties, with LDS microfilm files (1998) 20. ibid (2000) She is now working on her last book on SOPRON megye. Kathy Dobronyi ----------------------------------------------------------------

My mother, Martha Remer CONNOR, has 20 books about the 1828 land census according to the various Hungarian counties. They are listed in the WorldCat List of Records. 1. Germans & Hungarians: 1828 Land Census BARANYA COUNTY, Hungary 2. ibid BACS BODROG 3. ibid TORONTAL 4. ibid MARAMAROS & UGOCSA 5. ibid TOLNA 6. ibid. ESZTERGOM & HONT 7. ibid BERG & UNG 8. ibid SZATMAR 9. ibid ARAD 10. ibid FEJER 11. ibid VESZPREM 12. ibid KRASSO 13. ibid TEMES County, Hungary, now in Romania 14. ibid MOSON 15. ibid GYOR 16. ibid ZEMPLEN 17. ibid BEKES, CSANAD & CSONGRAD 18. ibid POSZONY 19. Germans & Hungarians: 1828 Hungarian land census: book of cities: a complete list of cities and associated counties, with LDS microfilm files (1998) 20. ibid (2000) She is now working on her last book on SOPRON megye. Kathy Dobronyi ----------------------------------------------------------------

This raises an interesting question. I was not aware of books that contain Hungarian County Census. Is there a list of Hungarian County Books viz Mrs. Conner's? If there is, I'd like to know specifically about Abauj Torna circa 1850's. Thanks, Tim Kotsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Kisabeth" <gkisabeth241950MI@comcast.net> To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 3:46 AM Subject: 1828 Census Book > Hello all readers, does anyone have the 1828 Szabolcs County Census Book > by Mrs. Conner? > I need a couple of look ups. > Thanks, > Gerald Kisabeth >

Hello all readers, does anyone have the 1828 Szabolcs County Census Book by Mrs. Conner? I need a couple of look ups. Thanks, Gerald Kisabeth

Philadelphia Pax List SS Illinois Departed Antwerp June 16, 1896 Arrived Philadelphia ?? FUZI, (LOOKS like Samual crossed out and Alexander written over it) age 26 dob around 1870 Coming from Goncruszka to Woodbridge, New Jersey In possession of $1.25 Going to Brother-in-law Janos BOLDIZSAR cheryl BALOG wenberg Please contact me if connected to the above.

Congratulations. Thanks for sharing your success with us--it gives us good reason not to give up. Janet -----Original Message----- From: DCBUGAN@aol.com [mailto:DCBUGAN@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:57 PM To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HUNGARY-L] new lister...ANDRSIK BUGAN ZAJAC Hello listers. I just had a breakthrough! After searching for my grandfather, who is Slovak, for many years, as Martin Edward BUGAN, I just found his name with a different spelling. Searching for info. on the name ZARTON BUGAN ANDRSIK from N. Vadas, Hungary. He immigrated in 1909, through Bremen. Born possibly 1890. I know his mothers name is Anna ZAJAC and his fathers first name is Stefanus. I have no other information to go on at this point. Thanks for any help. Darlene Bugan

Hello listers. I just had a breakthrough! After searching for my grandfather, who is Slovak, for many years, as Martin Edward BUGAN, I just found his name with a different spelling. Searching for info. on the name ZARTON BUGAN ANDRSIK from N. Vadas, Hungary. He immigrated in 1909, through Bremen. Born possibly 1890. I know his mothers name is Anna ZAJAC and his fathers first name is Stefanus. I have no other information to go on at this point. Thanks for any help. Darlene Bugan

There does not seem to be one set rule or pattern for people seeking naturalization. The documents of those applying in the 1860's for example (I have my great grandfathers) tell you nothing but that he gave up allegiance to the British thrown. My grandfathers, filed in two different states however, are a treasure trove of information as are those of several other family members who filed in the early to mid 1900's. My advice to anyone seriously searching...do just that ...seriously search all avenues. Do not overlook the county in which they resided at the time you think they were naturalized. While I have not found family members who started but didn't complete the process, I imagine there are many who did just that. Good Luck hunting Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

The following information was sent to NYERIE-L over the last several years by members of that List. I tend to cut out useful information from the List and I store it in text files, adding to them when ever new or more detailed information is provided. It is a bit like a scrap book, but I have hundreds of bits of good information at my fingertips. Herewith an example for Naturalization which someone was asking about this week.. Sorry, I cannot provide who submitted the items. If you recognize a bit as yours, please take appropriate credit! Joe Felt ====================================================== As you can see there is helpful information, although not all declarations are so detailed as parish of birth and way of reaching the US. You do get age, approximate date of entry into the US and port of entry. With the port of entry, you can check for ships. In my case unfortunately, I'm not aware of any records for port of entry thru Buffalo NY. However, if they came thru New York City(Ellis Island) you could check those records ,which are microfilmed, for ships from England around that time, and then check passenger lists. If you live in the US, records can be checked at a Federal Regional Depository(you can check the federal National Archives and Records Administration(NARA) website for regional centers), or sometimes a big regional library will have the microfilms. Also the Family History Centers can order microfilms. I believe they can also be ordered thru commercial services like AGLL(American Genealogical Lending Library). Please remember that even though a date is given for port of entry, that the ship may have come before or after that date; a search of at least 30 days( or even two months) on either side of the date is a good idea. You can also double check this time of arrival by the date under 2) No. of yrs in US. If 3) Naturalization has been checked or there is a NA(naturalized) then there is an additional request, and oath taken, and naturalization declared and naturalization papers issued. Often there was an additional two years between the declaration of intention, and naturalization. Naturalization did not have to take place in the same county or district court as the declaration of intent. Depending upon when your ancestor arrived in 1880, he may be in the 1880 census. Many censuses were done in June, but took several days to several weeks depending on where in the country people were. Remember, almost all the 1890 census burned, so there won't be one. A terrific primer on naturalization is available at http://infoukes.com/culture/lemkos/genealogy/naturalization.html ******************************** For those of you interested in obtaining the alien applications and final Naturalization papers for your immigrants in Erie County, you can order them through your local Family History Library. There are quite a number of microfilm rolls, so you might want to order the index rolls first. The index to alien applications 1835-1891 is: 979358 The index to alien applications 1892-1906 is: 979359 The index to final papers 1840-1894, 1895-1906 is: 979256 ************************************** Declaration of Intention to become a citizen and this is the info I got from it: His name, physical description, date and place of birth(city also) race and nationality wifes name, date and place of marriage, her birth date and place childrens names, birthdates, and places--where they all live at present date and port of arrival and departure, ships name spelling of his name when he arrived ================================== I had my fathers naturalization certificate. Found out from that that he became naturalized in Chicago. I called the district court that issued it, and they gave me the phone number of the National Archives, Great Lakes Region. Called them and asked for a copy of my fathers C-files. This includes the Declaration of Intention: Certificate of Arrival; Petition for Citizenship and Oath of Allegiance. Sometimes the information filled out by the applicant on the Declaration of Intention can be wrong, as it was with the case with my dad. He thought he came over on a different ship, at a slightly different time. After 1906 the courts had to verify the exact date of arrival and ship other wise the person could not become naturalized. So, on the Certificate of Arrival, I found out the exact date and correct ship. You want the entire set of files. By the way, they didn't charge me any fee, and I had them in about 2 weeks. I was really impressed. ================================== There are usually two documents, the declaration of intent and the actual naturalization certificate. Both contain minimal information, just date and signature and the name of the foreign state or sovereign to which allegiance is renounced and the names of a couple of witnesses. If you are trying to build as complete a picture of an immigrant's life as possible, these documents are important and should not be ignored. However, if you are just tree-climbing they will not be of much use. =================================

In a message dated 5/14/2006 9:52:03 AM US Eastern Standard Time, grami948@toledosuper.net writes: I'm not clear of the reasoning behind filing only the Intent papers over finishing the entire process. Hi Sheila Personal choice most likely; no need or advantage to pursue citizenship in his particular case perhaps. My great-grandfather did the same thing. In his case, it was obvious from the film records (in this case, from the Court where filed) that a bunch of men, all from the same place of employment, went to the courthouse on the same day to file Decl. of Intent. I've read that some employers did this, ie. had a group file all at the same time -- whether it was to aid the immigrants, or whether from some personal patriotic drive, I have no idea. Either way, there has never been a law that requires a foreign national to become a citizen. There are of course professions and other personal choices that require citizenship, but it's still personal choice. If you haven't done it yet, you may want to check the 1930 census and see what it says. A person filing their first papers could then file their petition in any other court authorized to do so. If you got the documentation from the INS, then his file is likely complete, -- assuming that the court where he may have filed his Petition sent the paperwork to the Feds as they were supposed to do after 1906. Best regards Linda

The Pottstown Mercury Pennsylvania Sept. 9, 1947 OBITS BERTALAN TUROCZI, 253 Queen Street, husband of Rose (SZABO) TUROCZI, died in Memorial Hospital yesterday morning. He was 62. Mr. TUROCZI had been in the hospital for three weeks, following a week's stay at his home that came after another three weeks in the hospital. He had been ill since February. Born in Hungary, he came to this country in 1902 and has lived in Pottstown since then. He worked at the Eastern Steel Company here for 24 years, working up to the position of foreman. In 1931 Mr. TUROCZI went to work at the Doehler-Jarvis Corp and worked there as a drill press operator until his recent illness. He was a member of the Hungarian Reformed Church congregation that met at St. Paul's Reformed Church, Stowe, of the Doehler-Jarvis Die Casters Club, and of the Hungarian Club of Douglassville. In addition to his wife, he is survived by: Sons: Lester of Jersey City Alexander of Phoenixville Joseph, at home Harry of Oklahoma City Daughter: Mrs. Ida BARTOTI of South Pottstown Internment in the Edgewood Cemetery. cheryl BALOG wenberg

I just received the Declaration of Intent papers for my husband's maternal grandfather. It states that the papers were done in 1913 in Athens Co., Ohio which was 2 years after arriving in the United States. I found the family in the 1920 census (again in Athens Co., Ohio) & under citizenship, it says PA which from myunderstaning means filed the initial papers. I'm wondering if it was a fairly common practice to not go further than Declaration of Intent in naturalization process. I'm not clear of the reasoning behind filing only the Intent papers over finishing the entire process. Admit that I'm totally in the dark about all this & would appreciate any information/help someone could lend. Many thanks & blessed Mother's Day to everyone! Sheila

How does one put the accent marks over the letters in messages? That's something I never learned how to do. Thanks for everyone's help. Lynn Davis researching: Palenik, Kristyak, Forstner _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

Lynn wrote: How does one put the accent marks over the letters in messages? That's something I never learned how to do. Thanks for everyone's help. Lynn Davis researching: Palenik, Kristyak, Forstner Lynn, to type special characters Many languages use special characters. This section describes how to type some of the common characters on both Windows and the Macintosh. For more characters, do one of the following: On Windows, open the Character Map program in the Windows Start menu. (The default location of Character Map is: Start > Programs > Accessories > System Tools.) On the Macintosh, open the Key Caps program in the Apple menu. To type special characters on Windows: Turn on the Num Lock option on your keyboard. On most keyboards, you turn on Num Lock by holding down the Shift key and pressing the Num Lock key. There may be an indicator light on your keyboard that shows whether the Num Lock option is turned on. While holding down the Alt key, type the number of the character you wish to enter from the following table: ¡ = 173 ¿ = 168 « = 174 » = 175 ã = 0227 â = 131 ä = 132 à = 133 Ä = 142 á = 160 ç = 135 é = 130 ê = 136 ë = 137 è = 138 É = 144 ï = 139 î = 140 ì = 141 í = 161 ñ = 164 Ñ = 165 õ = 0245 ô = 147 ö = 148 ò = 149 Ö = 153 ó = 162 ß = 225 ü = 129 û = 150 ù = 151 Ü = 154 ú = 163 0193 Á 020 É 0205 Í 0211 Ó 0218 Ú 0225 á 0233 é 0237 í 0243 ó 0250 ú 0192 À 0200 È 0204 Ì 0210 Ò 0217 Ù 0224 à 0232 è 0236 ì 0242 ò 0249 ù 0191 ¿ 0209 Ñ 0241 ñ 0223 ß 0199 Ç 0231 ç 0255 ÿ 0196 Ä 0228 ä 0194 Â 0226 â 0195 Ã 0227 ã 0197 Å 0229 å 0203 Ë 0235 ë 0202 Ê 0234 ê 0207 Ï 0239 ï 0206 Î 0238 î 0214 Ö 0246 ö 0212 Ô 0244 ô 0213 Õ 0245 õ 0216 Ø 0248 ø 0220 Ü 0252 ü 0219 Û 0251 û Hope this helps, Laszlo Josa