That webpage has been available for quite a while. I've been aware of these companies were all under one umbrella for some time, at least since GenForum message boards were taken over by Geneology.com a few years ago. To add to it, MyFamily.com is the latest of several recent owners of the Family Tree Maker software. (see "About Us" from the website given by Elizabeth) What I'm curious about: I don't want to spread rumors, but get to the bottom of some speculation. The owners of a well known genealogy shop and large world wide mail order business told me recently that Ancestry.com is owned by LDS church in Salt Lake City. I said nothing, only raised an eyebrow and the response I got was, "oh come on, WHERE have you been?" which made me feel as if I was the last on the block to find out. One of the volunteers at my local LDS Family History Centre has also claimed this for some time. I know both are in Utah, and a good chance that Ancestry.com was founded and owned by Mormons, however is there truth to Ancestry.com actually being owned by the church? Can anyone shed some truth to this please? (no more speculation please) Elizabeth V Cardinal <evc1369@comcast.net> wrote: Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:25 PM To: NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Bklyn] MyFamily.com A little research has turned up some interesting connections about the various genealogy sites recently discussed. Direct copy from the site: http://www.myfamilyinc.com/default.aspx?html=copyright MyFamily.com, Inc. Internet Services Copyright Policy MyFamily.com, Inc. (we, us or our) owns and operates the World Wide websites MyFamily.com, Ancestry.com, Ancestry.co.uk, Genealogy.com, RootsWeb.com and Ancestry.ca. The design, content and graphics of those sites and all other elements created by us, or by third parties as work for hire, or where the copyright has been assigned to us or one of our subsidiaries, is subject to copyright protection with all rights reserved. Looks like they all come under the same heading... Pat --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine

Ayne wrote: >... > > What I'm curious about: > I don't want to spread rumors, but get to the bottom of some speculation. The owners of a well known genealogy shop and large world wide mail order business told me recently that Ancestry.com is owned by LDS church in Salt Lake City. I said nothing, only raised an eyebrow and the response I got was, "oh come on, WHERE have you been?" which made me feel as if I was the last on the block to find out. One of the volunteers at my local LDS Family History Centre has also claimed this for some time. I know both are in Utah, and a good chance that Ancestry.com was founded and owned by Mormons, however is there truth to Ancestry.com actually being owned by the church? > > Can anyone shed some truth to this please? (no more speculation please) > >... > >Pat > Hi Pat, this is what I found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyFamily.com,_Inc. Because the company is based in Utah, there are many people who believe it is run by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (or "Mormons"). This is an incorrect assumption, however, according to their Public Relations Senior Manager, Peggy Hayes (as of January 2006). The company is privately held and the LDS Church has no stake in it. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@ezaccess.net

Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:25 PM To: NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Bklyn] MyFamily.com A little research has turned up some interesting connections about the various genealogy sites recently discussed. Direct copy from the site: http://www.myfamilyinc.com/default.aspx?html=copyright MyFamily.com, Inc. Internet Services Copyright Policy MyFamily.com, Inc. (we, us or our) owns and operates the World Wide websites MyFamily.com, Ancestry.com, Ancestry.co.uk, Genealogy.com, RootsWeb.com and Ancestry.ca. The design, content and graphics of those sites and all other elements created by us, or by third parties as work for hire, or where the copyright has been assigned to us or one of our subsidiaries, is subject to copyright protection with all rights reserved. Looks like they all come under the same heading... Pat --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ==== NYBROOKLYN Mailing List ==== Search the List Archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

To the list, Marika perfectly emphasizes my basic point, which is, simply, do not allow yourself to become "hung up" on spelling. Never assume that somebody's not yours if the name isn't spelled the way you expect. My surname is only five letters long, and I've seen it spelled at least a dozen different ways on various records. Jim Quoting MLPecsi@aol.com: > Dear List, > > What came to mind with our discussion of the various usage of P and B > interchanging in the spelling of surnames, was the name Habsburg. A visiting > friend > from Hungary who now has her doctorate in International History, many years > ago > bristled at the spelling Hapsburg. > > I wasn't sure how this example lent it's self towards our List's conversation > > and what could be learned from it, so I decided to look it up. One reason > for the exchange of letters is what was in vogue and more interestingly, why > it > was in vogue: > > http://www.hapsburg.com/about.htm > > HAPSBURG NOMENCLATURE > > Then name Hapsburg has many variations: Hapsburgh, Habsburg, Habisburch etc.  > > Since the family has been in existence for half a millenium such variations > in spelling are expected (as language evolves and changes through time and > geography).  Origination from a castle named 'Habichtsburg' built by Bishop > Wener > of Strasbourg (which is located on the Aar river in present day Switzerland), > > in 1020 C.E., the name translated from medieval German literally means > 'Hawk's > Castle.' > > Today, the Austrian descendants, and most of the academic community,  use the > > 'Habsburg' spelling.  I've opted for the 'Hapsburg' variation, one that was > in vogue pre-1980 when much of the focus was on the Spanish branch of the > family, for practical  reasons, namely that the domain hapsburg was available > and > habsburg was not.  For the purposes of this project the actual spelling of > the > name is secondary in importance and should not hinder the reader's > understanding of the facts or arguments. > ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > > Marika > > >

Dear List, What came to mind with our discussion of the various usage of P and B interchanging in the spelling of surnames, was the name Habsburg. A visiting friend from Hungary who now has her doctorate in International History, many years ago bristled at the spelling Hapsburg. I wasn't sure how this example lent it's self towards our List's conversation and what could be learned from it, so I decided to look it up. One reason for the exchange of letters is what was in vogue and more interestingly, why it was in vogue: http://www.hapsburg.com/about.htm HAPSBURG NOMENCLATURE Then name Hapsburg has many variations: Hapsburgh, Habsburg, Habisburch etc.  Since the family has been in existence for half a millenium such variations in spelling are expected (as language evolves and changes through time and geography).  Origination from a castle named 'Habichtsburg' built by Bishop Wener of Strasbourg (which is located on the Aar river in present day Switzerland), in 1020 C.E., the name translated from medieval German literally means 'Hawk's Castle.' Today, the Austrian descendants, and most of the academic community,  use the 'Habsburg' spelling.  I've opted for the 'Hapsburg' variation, one that was in vogue pre-1980 when much of the focus was on the Spanish branch of the family, for practical  reasons, namely that the domain hapsburg was available and habsburg was not.  For the purposes of this project the actual spelling of the name is secondary in importance and should not hinder the reader's understanding of the facts or arguments. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Marika

Shirley, The name PIGLER (also seen as PICKLER, PIKLER) definitely appears among the German-Hungarians. I personally connect to that surname in the Veszprém county villages of Bakonypéterd, Románd, and Gicz. The variant beginning with "B" instead of "P" was true for many German surnames, although in my research, I've found that, generally, "B" evolved to become more common farther west (Austria) and the "P" farther east (Hungary). Jim

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Malori wrote: Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Help with the Fuchs family from Germany/Hungary Hello everyone! I am new to this group and I thought I would present my search as soon as possible. I love family history and I am trying to figure out exactly where my dad's side of the family is from. My great-grandparents, John Fuchs (born Sept. 29, 1877) and Theresa Shoppr (born July 15, 1881), came to the United States around 1914. The information that they told our family is that they were from Austria-Hungary, and they told us the cities they were born in (Slotanik and Katschmier). However, those spellings are probably not accurate because they are spelled how they sound. On their immigration papers it said that their race was German but their nationality was Hungarian. (They spoke both German and Hungarian.) Recently, someone told me that they might have been Donau Schwabens. I'm not sure how long they would've been in Hungary...obviously long enough to become Hungarian citizens. John and Theresa moved to Ohio when they came here and they continued to speak German in their home with their children. (My grandfather, the first to be born in the US, didn't speak English until he went to school.) The only thing I know about my great-grandparents' parents is that Theresa's mom's maiden name was Meier. Anyhow, that is what I know so far. I have no idea of their exact travel dates, ship name, towns they lived in, church(es) they belonged to, etc. ~Malori Fuchs Malori, I looked on the Ellis Island website www.ellisisland.org and found lots of Janos (Hungarian for John) Fuchs and there is one that came over in 1914 and he was 38 and looks like his wife was Theresia. If you need help just ask. I have a google email (lesjosa@bellsouth.net) and google talk name is (lesjosa). Hope this helps, Laszlo (Les) Josa

Hello everyone! I am new to this group and I thought I would present my search as soon as possible. I love family history and I am trying to figure out exactly where my dad's side of the family is from. My great-grandparents, John Fuchs (born Sept. 29, 1877) and Theresa Shoppr (born July 15, 1881), came to the United States around 1914. The information that they told our family is that they were from Austria-Hungary, and they told us the cities they were born in (Slotanik and Katschmier). However, those spellings are probably not accurate because they are spelled how they sound. On their immigration papers it said that their race was German but their nationality was Hungarian. (They spoke both German and Hungarian.) Recently, someone told me that they might have been Donau Schwabens. I'm not sure how long they would've been in Hungary...obviously long enough to become Hungarian citizens. John and Theresa moved to Ohio when they came here and they continued to speak German in their home with their children. (My grandfather, the first to be born in the US, didn't speak English until he went to school.) The only thing I know about my great-grandparents' parents is that Theresa's mom's maiden name was Meier. Anyhow, that is what I know so far. I have no idea of their exact travel dates, ship name, towns they lived in, church(es) they belonged to, etc. ~Malori Fuchs

Dear Sheila, This issue has come up before and I remember searching it out. As I recall, the LC means only that it (Magyar) was the common language of the country (Hungary). The initials might have stood for Language [of] Country, but I'm not certain. The other possible notation, OL, meant that a different language (Other Language) from the common one of the country of origin was spoken, e.g., Slovak, German. Janet

Am recording info from a 1920 census & came across something I've not encountered before. Both husband (Alex) & wife (Julia) immigrated from Hungary with Mother tongue listed as Magyar. However the wife's parents' Mother tongue is listed as Hungarian with LC (caps included) noted above it. Then with Alex & Julia's children, his just says Hungarian for Mother tongue however Julia's carries the same LC notation as her parents had for her. I can't figure out exactly what the "LC" is & would appreciate some help. Hope I'm not confusing on what I'm trying to explain... am still trying to wrap my brain around the notation. Many thanks! Sheila

Bigler is a far more common name than Pigler among immigrants who went through Ellis Island. Most of them appear to be German or Swiss. I, too, think that Pigler probably is German in origin and likely the same name as Bigler. I have noted a number of instances where B and P are used interchangeably in Hungarian names. The one I am most familiar with is Jozsef Brick/Prick, one of the émigrés from the 1848-49 war. Although he is almost always referred to as Prick, we have several letters from him where he clearly signed his name Brick. Janet

Shirley wrote Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] Pigler May I take advantage of those who have lists of Hungarian names and ask if Pigler is Hungarian? And if so, what it might derive from? Many thanks, Shirley Shirley, found some information about your name at this website: http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/pigler-family-crest.htm Just love the internet. Hope this helps, Les

Mimtu@aol.com wrote: >May I take advantage of those who have lists of Hungarian names and ask if >Pigler is Hungarian? And if so, what it might derive from? Many thanks, > Shirley > Hi Shirley, the name is not Hungarian, but 'sounds' rather Germanic. Venture to guess it derives from pigment, which was used to color fabric - therefore it could have been given to the people who were active in that profession - and later became a surname. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@ezaccess.net

Dear Shirley, Pigler seems to be a fairly rare name, certainly not one that would appear on a list of common Hungarian surnames. Only four appear on the Ellis Island manifests from Hungary, and only a few more from any other country. There are 82 Piglers listed today in the Hungary telephone directory--not a large number. Janet

May I take advantage of those who have lists of Hungarian names and ask if Pigler is Hungarian? And if so, what it might derive from? Many thanks, Shirley

In a message dated 6/12/06 2:22:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ozma_mama@yahoo.co.uk writes: > At 18:09 2006.06.12.ÿ Monday, Elizabeth V Cardinal wrote: > >I think the influence of the Roman Catholic Church was so great at one time > >in Hungary that they demanded the use of Saints names. > > As my name, Géza, is not a saint's name, I hardly > believe this supposition (not because it's mine > but because it's highly improbable that it has ever been banned by the > church). > Hi Géza and Elizabeth, I was fortunate to acquire the library of a prominent Hungarian Knights of Malta member. These Knights are associated with the Catholic church. A long time ago it was a military and hospital group and currently still known for their hospitalaire (sp?) activities. This Knight of Malta, a scholar from Visegrad, has his nameplate pasted in the books; all in Latin with his given name of Geysae and then his surname. Also stamped into the books is a seal with his surname and given name of Géza and the word Konyveibol, a Hungarian word derivative of book. My Hungarian dictionary doesn't give the exact meaning, nor does an online search. My knowledge of Latin is mostly reduced to Church Latin. Would I be wrong with the assumption that since Géza is of Latin origin, that in fact, it is an acceptable baptismal name? I remember my grandfather's baptismal certificate for Ludovicus/Lajos/Louis. Also, my 88 year old brother-in-law was baptized as Mike, not Michael. Marika

At 22:33 2006.06.12.ÿ Monday, Janet Kozlay wrote: >There are several references on the Internet to this so-called official list >of names, but I have not seen any sources given. It may be a myth that it >was a legal requirement. Just looked up the relevant legislation (1982/17 tvr.). Not a myth -- and it is still a requirement. There is a register maintained by the Academy (apparently not available on the internet). The rule is that you need to choose a name from that register, or if not, the Academy must approve it. There are also registers for the ethnic minorities. Geza -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 2006.06.11.

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At 18:09 2006.06.12.ÿ Monday, Elizabeth V Cardinal wrote: >I think the influence of the Roman Catholic Church was so great at one time >in Hungary that they demanded the use of Saints names. As my name, Géza, is not a saint's name, I hardly believe this supposition (not because it's mine but because it's highly improbable that it has ever been banned by the church). >At one time, and perhaps even now, you could not have a child baptized >without one of his/her names being the name of a saint. This one is correct, my parents needed to choose a saint's name (in my case, János) alongside Géza. This does not appear, however, elsewhere than in church records. I think this is still the rule (but do not forget that many people don't have church baptisms at all today). As to other messages in this thread, thank you very much for the info that my name is the 7th most common. I never knew this :-) The name giving customs that Marika describes might have been valid well before 16th century. According to one source, names of non-Christian origin gradually gave place to Christian names from 11th until 14th century; from that time on, these latter were predominant. As regards the name Árpád, the explanation given by Marika is the one generally accepted, but of course the name goes well back to the times of the ancient Hungarians and so explains the name carried by the chief conqueror. Best wishes Geza -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 2006.06.11.