Your advertisment of photographing Hungarian villages for subscribers to the list seems OK. However, your advertising of the Hungarian DVD's, in my opinion, borders on SPAM. Ken Curtis KERTESZ, ASZMONGYA, TOTH, PENTEK, LOTZ, BARRICK

This mail list is not a soap box. I, too, have very strong opinions regarding this issue, but you will not hear them here. There are many other more appropriate forums. While I appreciate being directed to information that will help me learn more about Hungary, even if it is not directly related to genealogy and may be slightly off topic, I am not interested in reading your political opinions here. Please refrain. Thank you, Janet

Richard, I have an Anna Tamas married to Janos Gaspar in Apa, Szatmar in the early 1820's. Anna was my 2nd great grandmother. Where do your Tamas' come from? Jerry

I second the motion below with a loud "Amen." It is hard enough to watch television or read printed news with its slanting, ranting and raving. This is not the venue for it, no matter what your political or religious beliefs are. Just for the record, I don't agree with much of anything in any American political party these days. As Shakespeare was want to say, in his way, "All is smoke and mirrors." Joe Felt Captain, US Navy (Retired) and 100% Hungarian by birth. - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:42:09 -0400 From: "Elizabeth V Cardinal" <evc1369@comcast.net> To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001d01c69783$3a3e4ff0$640fa8c0@evc> Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] Bush's speech Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You made some valid points but they lost their impact because you did not state them, instead you ranted. You also should have used spell check. "Stooper" is spelled Stupor. It is an excellent idea to leave commentaries for those who will come after you, but they do not belong on a genealogy list. Politics and religion are two subjects best discussed privately. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net sub

Amen, Joe! After reading the original message, I was simply at a loss for words. You put most eloquently the way I feel. At this time in history, we need someone at the helm who is willing to take the unpopular stance, have the courage of his convictions, and ensure our safety as a nation. Now let's get back to Hungarian genealogy. I am a first generation American with extensive family in Hungary and I am proud of my heritage. Diane Galante Crystal River, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Soos" <jnsbear@yahoo.com> To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] Bush's speech > Thanks for your point of view, Elaine, on a list dedicated to something > else. > > Think we've lost a bunch of freedoms? Take a look at how those laws are > helping to keep us safer came to be. They were passed by Congress and > many have already been tested in one court or the other. > > If you really want to see laws and powers that took away rights, try > looking at Mr. Lincoln in the US Civil War and those invoked by FDR in > World War II. > > The interesting thing about such critiques as yours is you have not > offered an alternative to keep us safe. If you want to see the US go > nuts, wait till you see a dirty bomb, bio or chemical attacks on a large > scale or a city or two get vaporized with a real nuclear weapon. Between > the President and bin Laden, I'll take the Prez. > > Stay safe, Sis. > > Joe > > JOSEPH N. SOOS, SR. > REMEMBER - September 11, 2001 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "polloe@earthlink.net" <polloe@earthlink.net> > To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:17:29 AM > Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] Bush's speech > > > Warning!!!! What follows is a comment about American's current political > condition from one Citizen's perspective, mine. IF you do not enjoy > Genealogy within a socioeconomic political perspective, you might prefer > to > not read this posting. :) > **************************************************************************** > **************************** > > Well I put a copy of Bush's speech in my Socioeconomic, political file for > future generations of family members to read. > > Of course, I feel obligated to also leave a note in this same file, that > at > the same time Pres. Bush is talking to the Hungarian people about Freedom, > and that the USA is proclaiming Freedom for the Iraqi people, this same > President, is also taking Freedoms AWAY FROM American Citizens. The > American government NOW feels they HAVE THE RIGHT to enter into Citizens > private affairs without a legal search warrant. They also believe they > have > the right to detain Citizens WITHOUT Due Process of the American Court > System. The LOSE of these Freedoms in the USA since the 911 Attacks has > been VERY FAR REACHING. As American Citizen we are told this IS for OUR > Safety. > > Those familiar with the psychology of Propaganda and it's insidious > "Double > Speak", will clearly see this for what it is. It is very possible that > those on this List from Central Europe will see this for what it is, far > more easily than those of us in the USA!! Why, because the taste of abuse > of Power is more familiar to those in Central & Eastern Europe. If someone > is over 30 years old in Central or Eastern Europe, they have lived a part > of their lives under a government that abused it's power. > > Since 2001, the Bush Administration has been systematically eroading the > foundation of basic rights guarenteed to American Citizens through our > Constitution and Bill of Rights. Citizens and political leaders that > question these tactics are called "Un-american"!!!! Actually, in the USA > we currently see little public discussion/ debate about these issues. WHY > are American Citizens sitting back and ALLOWING these Freedoms/ Rights to > be taken away by the Power of an Adminisrative "Classified" Memo????? > > In my opinion, it seems that many American Citizens are so "drunk" > (sedated) with our prosperity, that we don't even blink an eye when basic > Freedoms are taken away. Why, because economically we are Fat & Satisfied. > It runs across political parties. Think back to what former Pres. Clinton > said after the 911 Attacks. Loose translation, "Go about your normal > lives. > Don't change life because of what happen on 911". What did Clinton mean by > this? He meant, "Don't stop spending $$$$$. Keep spending $$$$ like you > did > before 911". Reason, otherwise, America would have an instant depression. > No one wants that, so do your "civic duty", and spend $$$$ > > At some point, American Citizens will wake-up and see what has happened to > our Basic Freedoms. Then America might need a "1956 revolt". Guess what, > the American Military WILL be mobilized to quelch such a "Revolt"!!!! > We'll see tanks in American streets too. You don't think it can happen > here > in America, watch!!! When the economy tanks ( goes down), and Americans > wake from their "stooper" , there will be mass unrest. The governmental > responce will be mass arrests. It's at this time, Americans will "wake-up" > from their "Fat Economic Stooper" to see the Basic Rights and Freedoms we > have let slip away!!!! At that point the Patriot Act passed by the > American Congress and Senate after the 911 attacks, will now be used on > American Citizens. By participating in mass "Protests", these Citizens > will be seen as "Subversive". Since they are seen as "Subversives", they > will soon find out that their Due Process to the American Court System was > elliminated under the Patriot Act!!!!! > > Our Legistlative branch of govenment is just beginning to question the > Bush > Administation. Slowly they are waking up and seeing that the Balance of > Power has dramatically shifted since 911. The Executive Branch of the Bush > Administation has become FAR TO POWERFULL since 911. The Legislative > Branch > has lost MUCH POWER since 911. Fortunitly, Legislators from the Presidents > own Party are beginning to question the lack of balance in power since > 911. > So as one Citizen in America, I have hope that our Balence of Power can be > restored without a "revolt". That's the "Grace" in a Free Governmental > Process. Free govenments have an ability to use non-violent political > discussion/ debate to arrive at a consensious of opinion. If the citizens > are not happy with the direction their elected representatives are going, > they can elect others to those offices. This process works best when > citizens are active participants in the process. When they vote. When they > share their thoughts and opinions with their Senators & Legislators at the > state and national level. When they contact the President. Unfortunitly > many of us in the USA take our freedom for granted. Few actively > participate in our own FREE political process. I bet if you surveyed > Hungarians who became American Citizens after the 1956 uprising in > Hungary, > you would find a higher % of those who voted than the general American > Citizen. Why, because Freedom is VERY valuable to them. They know first > hand what it means NOT to be Free. > > Hopefully, our governmental process WILL work. For it to work, there MUST > be public discussion. So to those who will say to an Email like this: > "Let's not talk Politics on a Genealogy List". I say in responce, the > world > is not one dimentional. Please allow those who see Genealogy as more > encompusing than, who was born when and when did they die, to share > thoughts, ideas & opinions about topics that relate to the world our > ancestors lived in or we currently live in. Above ALL else, let's NOT > discourage Freedom of Speech amongst those who research genealogy in a > part > of the world that has endured MUCH oppression in our own life time. > > Thanks for listening. > > I'm interested in hearing from others their perspectives on past & > current socioeconomic- political conditions. Personally, I would very > much > welcome hearing the thought and opinions of those who currently live in > Central Europe. > > Elaine > > PS: > To those of you who are Republicans, please do not label me as just > another > "Bush Basher". I have grave concerns about the direction this > administation > is taking OUR country.As a citizen, I have every right to express my > concerns and to have them taken seriously. We NEED discussion in this > country, not reteric from either political party. I hope those in the > broader Republican Party will look at what is REALLY happening here and > begin to ask questions in their party. Begin to seek fresh approaches. > Restore the Balance of Power between the Executive Branch and the > Legislative Branch. For the record, I'm not a Demicrate either. I'm an > Independent. Yes, a dreaded Independent. Yes, I Vote! I'm VERY displeased > with the shift of power in OUR country. I'm VERY concerned about this > current Adminisrations OBVIOUS actions that clearly deminsrate that they > see themselves ABOVE THE LAW of this country. Honestly, how could any > reasonable person not see this blatant disregard for the Balance of Power > built into OUR founding documents. Let's get real!!! This is serious > stuff!!! > > Elaine > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Janet Kozlay <kozlay@comcast.net> >> To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 6/23/2006 8:20:51 AM >> Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] Bush's speech >> >> You can read the text of Bush's speech in Budapest, as released by his >> Office of the Press Secretary, at >> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/06/20060622-6.html. I say >> "as >> released," because the written text is not quite accurate. >> >> I was appalled when I read that he and Laura had made a visit to "Hokok >> Square . . . Hokok Square is named for the father of Hungarian >> democracy." >> Hokok? Fortunately I was able to hear the actual speech on C-SPAN, and > Bush >> made proper reference to Kossuth. Someone in the Press Secretary's office >> needs to have his ears boxed, and perhaps taught a little about Hungary's >> history. >> >> Janet >> >> > > > > > > >

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You made some valid points but they lost their impact because you did not state them, instead you ranted. You also should have used spell check. "Stooper" is spelled Stupor. It is an excellent idea to leave commentaries for those who will come after you, but they do not belong on a genealogy list. Politics and religion are two subjects best discussed privately. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

Thanks for your point of view, Elaine, on a list dedicated to something else. Think we've lost a bunch of freedoms? Take a look at how those laws are helping to keep us safer came to be. They were passed by Congress and many have already been tested in one court or the other. If you really want to see laws and powers that took away rights, try looking at Mr. Lincoln in the US Civil War and those invoked by FDR in World War II. The interesting thing about such critiques as yours is you have not offered an alternative to keep us safe. If you want to see the US go nuts, wait till you see a dirty bomb, bio or chemical attacks on a large scale or a city or two get vaporized with a real nuclear weapon. Between the President and bin Laden, I'll take the Prez. Stay safe, Sis. Joe JOSEPH N. SOOS, SR. REMEMBER - September 11, 2001 ----- Original Message ---- From: "polloe@earthlink.net" <polloe@earthlink.net> To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:17:29 AM Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] Bush's speech Warning!!!! What follows is a comment about American's current political condition from one Citizen's perspective, mine. IF you do not enjoy Genealogy within a socioeconomic political perspective, you might prefer to not read this posting. :) **************************************************************************** **************************** Well I put a copy of Bush's speech in my Socioeconomic, political file for future generations of family members to read. Of course, I feel obligated to also leave a note in this same file, that at the same time Pres. Bush is talking to the Hungarian people about Freedom, and that the USA is proclaiming Freedom for the Iraqi people, this same President, is also taking Freedoms AWAY FROM American Citizens. The American government NOW feels they HAVE THE RIGHT to enter into Citizens private affairs without a legal search warrant. They also believe they have the right to detain Citizens WITHOUT Due Process of the American Court System. The LOSE of these Freedoms in the USA since the 911 Attacks has been VERY FAR REACHING. As American Citizen we are told this IS for OUR Safety. Those familiar with the psychology of Propaganda and it's insidious "Double Speak", will clearly see this for what it is. It is very possible that those on this List from Central Europe will see this for what it is, far more easily than those of us in the USA!! Why, because the taste of abuse of Power is more familiar to those in Central & Eastern Europe. If someone is over 30 years old in Central or Eastern Europe, they have lived a part of their lives under a government that abused it's power. Since 2001, the Bush Administration has been systematically eroading the foundation of basic rights guarenteed to American Citizens through our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Citizens and political leaders that question these tactics are called "Un-american"!!!! Actually, in the USA we currently see little public discussion/ debate about these issues. WHY are American Citizens sitting back and ALLOWING these Freedoms/ Rights to be taken away by the Power of an Adminisrative "Classified" Memo????? In my opinion, it seems that many American Citizens are so "drunk" (sedated) with our prosperity, that we don't even blink an eye when basic Freedoms are taken away. Why, because economically we are Fat & Satisfied. It runs across political parties. Think back to what former Pres. Clinton said after the 911 Attacks. Loose translation, "Go about your normal lives. Don't change life because of what happen on 911". What did Clinton mean by this? He meant, "Don't stop spending $$$$$. Keep spending $$$$ like you did before 911". Reason, otherwise, America would have an instant depression. No one wants that, so do your "civic duty", and spend $$$$ At some point, American Citizens will wake-up and see what has happened to our Basic Freedoms. Then America might need a "1956 revolt". Guess what, the American Military WILL be mobilized to quelch such a "Revolt"!!!! We'll see tanks in American streets too. You don't think it can happen here in America, watch!!! When the economy tanks ( goes down), and Americans wake from their "stooper" , there will be mass unrest. The governmental responce will be mass arrests. It's at this time, Americans will "wake-up" from their "Fat Economic Stooper" to see the Basic Rights and Freedoms we have let slip away!!!! At that point the Patriot Act passed by the American Congress and Senate after the 911 attacks, will now be used on American Citizens. By participating in mass "Protests", these Citizens will be seen as "Subversive". Since they are seen as "Subversives", they will soon find out that their Due Process to the American Court System was elliminated under the Patriot Act!!!!! Our Legistlative branch of govenment is just beginning to question the Bush Administation. Slowly they are waking up and seeing that the Balance of Power has dramatically shifted since 911. The Executive Branch of the Bush Administation has become FAR TO POWERFULL since 911. The Legislative Branch has lost MUCH POWER since 911. Fortunitly, Legislators from the Presidents own Party are beginning to question the lack of balance in power since 911. So as one Citizen in America, I have hope that our Balence of Power can be restored without a "revolt". That's the "Grace" in a Free Governmental Process. Free govenments have an ability to use non-violent political discussion/ debate to arrive at a consensious of opinion. If the citizens are not happy with the direction their elected representatives are going, they can elect others to those offices. This process works best when citizens are active participants in the process. When they vote. When they share their thoughts and opinions with their Senators & Legislators at the state and national level. When they contact the President. Unfortunitly many of us in the USA take our freedom for granted. Few actively participate in our own FREE political process. I bet if you surveyed Hungarians who became American Citizens after the 1956 uprising in Hungary, you would find a higher % of those who voted than the general American Citizen. Why, because Freedom is VERY valuable to them. They know first hand what it means NOT to be Free. Hopefully, our governmental process WILL work. For it to work, there MUST be public discussion. So to those who will say to an Email like this: "Let's not talk Politics on a Genealogy List". I say in responce, the world is not one dimentional. Please allow those who see Genealogy as more encompusing than, who was born when and when did they die, to share thoughts, ideas & opinions about topics that relate to the world our ancestors lived in or we currently live in. Above ALL else, let's NOT discourage Freedom of Speech amongst those who research genealogy in a part of the world that has endured MUCH oppression in our own life time. Thanks for listening. I'm interested in hearing from others their perspectives on past & current socioeconomic- political conditions. Personally, I would very much welcome hearing the thought and opinions of those who currently live in Central Europe. Elaine PS: To those of you who are Republicans, please do not label me as just another "Bush Basher". I have grave concerns about the direction this administation is taking OUR country.As a citizen, I have every right to express my concerns and to have them taken seriously. We NEED discussion in this country, not reteric from either political party. I hope those in the broader Republican Party will look at what is REALLY happening here and begin to ask questions in their party. Begin to seek fresh approaches. Restore the Balance of Power between the Executive Branch and the Legislative Branch. For the record, I'm not a Demicrate either. I'm an Independent. Yes, a dreaded Independent. Yes, I Vote! I'm VERY displeased with the shift of power in OUR country. I'm VERY concerned about this current Adminisrations OBVIOUS actions that clearly deminsrate that they see themselves ABOVE THE LAW of this country. Honestly, how could any reasonable person not see this blatant disregard for the Balance of Power built into OUR founding documents. Let's get real!!! This is serious stuff!!! Elaine > [Original Message] > From: Janet Kozlay <kozlay@comcast.net> > To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 6/23/2006 8:20:51 AM > Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] Bush's speech > > You can read the text of Bush's speech in Budapest, as released by his > Office of the Press Secretary, at > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/06/20060622-6.html. I say "as > released," because the written text is not quite accurate. > > I was appalled when I read that he and Laura had made a visit to "Hokok > Square . . . Hokok Square is named for the father of Hungarian democracy." > Hokok? Fortunately I was able to hear the actual speech on C-SPAN, and Bush > made proper reference to Kossuth. Someone in the Press Secretary's office > needs to have his ears boxed, and perhaps taught a little about Hungary's > history. > > Janet > >

Warning!!!! What follows is a comment about American's current political condition from one Citizen's perspective, mine. IF you do not enjoy Genealogy within a socioeconomic political perspective, you might prefer to not read this posting. :) **************************************************************************** **************************** Well I put a copy of Bush's speech in my Socioeconomic, political file for future generations of family members to read. Of course, I feel obligated to also leave a note in this same file, that at the same time Pres. Bush is talking to the Hungarian people about Freedom, and that the USA is proclaiming Freedom for the Iraqi people, this same President, is also taking Freedoms AWAY FROM American Citizens. The American government NOW feels they HAVE THE RIGHT to enter into Citizens private affairs without a legal search warrant. They also believe they have the right to detain Citizens WITHOUT Due Process of the American Court System. The LOSE of these Freedoms in the USA since the 911 Attacks has been VERY FAR REACHING. As American Citizen we are told this IS for OUR Safety. Those familiar with the psychology of Propaganda and it's insidious "Double Speak", will clearly see this for what it is. It is very possible that those on this List from Central Europe will see this for what it is, far more easily than those of us in the USA!! Why, because the taste of abuse of Power is more familiar to those in Central & Eastern Europe. If someone is over 30 years old in Central or Eastern Europe, they have lived a part of their lives under a government that abused it's power. Since 2001, the Bush Administration has been systematically eroading the foundation of basic rights guarenteed to American Citizens through our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Citizens and political leaders that question these tactics are called "Un-american"!!!! Actually, in the USA we currently see little public discussion/ debate about these issues. WHY are American Citizens sitting back and ALLOWING these Freedoms/ Rights to be taken away by the Power of an Adminisrative "Classified" Memo????? In my opinion, it seems that many American Citizens are so "drunk" (sedated) with our prosperity, that we don't even blink an eye when basic Freedoms are taken away. Why, because economically we are Fat & Satisfied. It runs across political parties. Think back to what former Pres. Clinton said after the 911 Attacks. Loose translation, "Go about your normal lives. Don't change life because of what happen on 911". What did Clinton mean by this? He meant, "Don't stop spending $$$$$. Keep spending $$$$ like you did before 911". Reason, otherwise, America would have an instant depression. No one wants that, so do your "civic duty", and spend $$$$ At some point, American Citizens will wake-up and see what has happened to our Basic Freedoms. Then America might need a "1956 revolt". Guess what, the American Military WILL be mobilized to quelch such a "Revolt"!!!! We'll see tanks in American streets too. You don't think it can happen here in America, watch!!! When the economy tanks ( goes down), and Americans wake from their "stooper" , there will be mass unrest. The governmental responce will be mass arrests. It's at this time, Americans will "wake-up" from their "Fat Economic Stooper" to see the Basic Rights and Freedoms we have let slip away!!!! At that point the Patriot Act passed by the American Congress and Senate after the 911 attacks, will now be used on American Citizens. By participating in mass "Protests", these Citizens will be seen as "Subversive". Since they are seen as "Subversives", they will soon find out that their Due Process to the American Court System was elliminated under the Patriot Act!!!!! Our Legistlative branch of govenment is just beginning to question the Bush Administation. Slowly they are waking up and seeing that the Balance of Power has dramatically shifted since 911. The Executive Branch of the Bush Administation has become FAR TO POWERFULL since 911. The Legislative Branch has lost MUCH POWER since 911. Fortunitly, Legislators from the Presidents own Party are beginning to question the lack of balance in power since 911. So as one Citizen in America, I have hope that our Balence of Power can be restored without a "revolt". That's the "Grace" in a Free Governmental Process. Free govenments have an ability to use non-violent political discussion/ debate to arrive at a consensious of opinion. If the citizens are not happy with the direction their elected representatives are going, they can elect others to those offices. This process works best when citizens are active participants in the process. When they vote. When they share their thoughts and opinions with their Senators & Legislators at the state and national level. When they contact the President. Unfortunitly many of us in the USA take our freedom for granted. Few actively participate in our own FREE political process. I bet if you surveyed Hungarians who became American Citizens after the 1956 uprising in Hungary, you would find a higher % of those who voted than the general American Citizen. Why, because Freedom is VERY valuable to them. They know first hand what it means NOT to be Free. Hopefully, our governmental process WILL work. For it to work, there MUST be public discussion. So to those who will say to an Email like this: "Let's not talk Politics on a Genealogy List". I say in responce, the world is not one dimentional. Please allow those who see Genealogy as more encompusing than, who was born when and when did they die, to share thoughts, ideas & opinions about topics that relate to the world our ancestors lived in or we currently live in. Above ALL else, let's NOT discourage Freedom of Speech amongst those who research genealogy in a part of the world that has endured MUCH oppression in our own life time. Thanks for listening. I'm interested in hearing from others their perspectives on past & current socioeconomic- political conditions. Personally, I would very much welcome hearing the thought and opinions of those who currently live in Central Europe. Elaine PS: To those of you who are Republicans, please do not label me as just another "Bush Basher". I have grave concerns about the direction this administation is taking OUR country.As a citizen, I have every right to express my concerns and to have them taken seriously. We NEED discussion in this country, not reteric from either political party. I hope those in the broader Republican Party will look at what is REALLY happening here and begin to ask questions in their party. Begin to seek fresh approaches. Restore the Balance of Power between the Executive Branch and the Legislative Branch. For the record, I'm not a Demicrate either. I'm an Independent. Yes, a dreaded Independent. Yes, I Vote! I'm VERY displeased with the shift of power in OUR country. I'm VERY concerned about this current Adminisrations OBVIOUS actions that clearly deminsrate that they see themselves ABOVE THE LAW of this country. Honestly, how could any reasonable person not see this blatant disregard for the Balance of Power built into OUR founding documents. Let's get real!!! This is serious stuff!!! Elaine > [Original Message] > From: Janet Kozlay <kozlay@comcast.net> > To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 6/23/2006 8:20:51 AM > Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] Bush's speech > > You can read the text of Bush's speech in Budapest, as released by his > Office of the Press Secretary, at > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/06/20060622-6.html. I say "as > released," because the written text is not quite accurate. > > I was appalled when I read that he and Laura had made a visit to "Hokok > Square . . . Hokok Square is named for the father of Hungarian democracy." > Hokok? Fortunately I was able to hear the actual speech on C-SPAN, and Bush > made proper reference to Kossuth. Someone in the Press Secretary's office > needs to have his ears boxed, and perhaps taught a little about Hungary's > history. > > Janet > >

Here is an email I got from the Hungarian Consulate office in New Orleans. http://www.hungarla.com/ Laszlo (Les) Josa -----Original Message----- From: HUNGARLA [mailto:bikajuli@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:11 PM To: hungarla Subject: Bush visits Budapest Bush speech on Hungary uprising US President George Bush has given a speech acknowledging the high cost Hungary paid in its struggle for independence. http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/nolavconsole/ifs_news/hi?redirect=s t.stm&news=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nbram=1&nbwm=1&nol_storyid=5106734 Other sites you can read about Bush's visit in Hungary http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/22/AR2006062200 169.html?referrer=emailarticle Bush gets look at Hungarian treasure - Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060622/ap_on_re_eu/bush_royal_crown_1 http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/globaldiplomacy/ Enjoy them Julianna Gergatz

Hello again, here is the website for the Bush speech in Budapest video. http://budapest.usembassy.gov/ Laszlo (Les) Josa

Mr Bush's visit and speech was a very nice, touching gesture for Hungary in the year of the 50th anniversary of 1956. (Although the life was not easy in the last 2 days, because half of Budapest was closed to traffic.) Béla Mihalik, Budapest, Hungary ________________________________________________________________________________ Ön lemondana havi 6000Ft, évi 72 000 Ft állami támogatásról? http://lakaskassza.origo.hu/index.html

You can read the text of Bush's speech in Budapest, as released by his Office of the Press Secretary, at http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/06/20060622-6.html. I say "as released," because the written text is not quite accurate. I was appalled when I read that he and Laura had made a visit to "Hokok Square . . . Hokok Square is named for the father of Hungarian democracy." Hokok? Fortunately I was able to hear the actual speech on C-SPAN, and Bush made proper reference to Kossuth. Someone in the Press Secretary's office needs to have his ears boxed, and perhaps taught a little about Hungary's history. Janet

Thanks once more Les for this site. Guess I should get in the habit of reading my unopened emails from top to bottom instead of last one in. Marika

Nice story Les. Thanks for sharing it. I do hope our government uses some of Corp. Tibor Rubin's insight for prison survival as training for our military. Marika

Bela, Thanks for giving us your opinion regarding President Bush's speech. Flipped the channels on TV yesterday trying to get some coverage, but missed it. If anyone has a website or his speech contents, please let me know. I did come across a site for a new book coming out in October: Failed Illusions - Moscow, Washington, Budapest and the 1956 Hungarian Revolt by Charles Gati The promo says this book is based on extensive archival research, including the CIA's operation files, and hundreds of interviews with participants in Budapest, Moscow, and Washington. Personal observations by the author, a young reporter in Budapest in 1956, bring the tragic story vividly to life. Source...Stanford University Press website For those researching World War I history, this book is surprisingly co-published with the Woodrow Wilson Center Press, Washington, D.C. Marika

Elizabeth, of course I don't mind. More people know the better. Laszlo (Les) Josa -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth V Cardinal [mailto:evc1369@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:01 PM To: 'Laszlo Josa'; HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] ancestry census records http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Ancestrycom.html Wonderful news. Thank you for telling us. I hope you do not mind but I have passed it on to several other lists several of which I moderate. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

Wonderful news. Thank you for telling us. I hope you do not mind but I have passed it on to several other lists several of which I moderate. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

Here is an article about Ancestry.com and census records in the Seattle Post Intelligencer. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Ancestrycom.html Laszlo (Les) Josa

No go Joe, I can't open up any of the lines you sent except the speech from our esteemed president. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laszlo Josa" <lesjosa@bellsouth.net> To: <HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Brave Hungarian and a Great American > Hello fellow Hungarians, came across this video today while searching for > a > video file of President Bush's speech in Budapest. It happened back in > September of 2005. > > > > http://rncnyc2004.blogspot.com/2005/09/president-presents-medal-of-honor-to. > html > > > > It should make us all proud, > > > > Laszlo (Les) Josa > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006 > >