Hello Lou, Is this what you are after??? from the 1930 census Pa , Allegheny , Mc Keesport ward 1; Page 8-B ; ED 2-666 ; April 9,1930 Barsi, Joseph age 42 , married @ 23 ; from Hungary ; came 1911; laborer , rolling mill " Esther ..........40, " ' 21; " " " " Maid house work " Louis ......... 17 single born Ohio ............................................................................ ....... " Joseph ......... 13 " " PA ............................................................................ ............ " Rose .............12 " " PA.......................................................................... ....... There were 4 Julia Barsi none matched in any way Julie B in NC -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dr.barsi Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 3:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [HUNGARY] REMAK FAMILY OF NEW JERSEY Good Afternoon, Listers, I'm looking for any information regarding the REMAK families of Middlesex County, New Jersey. 1.) JOHN and BERTHA REMAK and their children and parents. 2.) JOHN and LIZZIE REMAK and their parents. 3.) JULIA REMAK, born about 1895/1896 in Woodbridge, NJ. Thank you. Lou Barsi ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Elaine! In the period 1526-1918 Hungary was under Habsburg reign. Habsburgs are also ruled Austria, Bohemia and the throne of the Holy Roman Empire. During the Napoleon wars Francis I. was King of Hungary and Bohemia and Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire (until 1806, when the Empire was dissolved by Napoleon), and the Francis was the first Emperor of Austria. So in that wars against Napoleon the Hungarian Parlaiment (called Diet) was voted help for his king, Francis I. From the 1790's many Hungarians drafted into the armies. (Example one of my ancestor was in the war from 1804-1815) Later Napoleon reached Vienna and then attacked Hungary. In the next year will be the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Györ, where Napoleon won over the hungarian armies. Best regards, Bela Vilmos Mihalik, Budapest, Hungary ______________________________________________________________________ Vegye kézbe pénzügyeit! Az [origo] klikkbank havi 490 Ft-ért mikrovállalati számlacsomagban forint pénzforgalmi bankszámlát, bankkártyát, netbank és telebank szolgáltatást is kínál. http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,6022,292286,356590/click.prm

Later this afternoon I will have information about the people you are interested in. One of the persons I found was a John Remak, born in 1852, immigrated 1891, was single and lived in the city where I was born, Perth Amboy, N. J. which is very close to Woodbridge and my town of Metuchen. This was from the 1900 Census. There was a George Hudak on it also, age 45 and that happens to be my maiden name. It is no relation. There are some forms that I can email from Ancestry.com if you like. Margaret Paull, Metuchen, NJ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of dr.barsi Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 7:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HUNGARY] REMAK FAMILY OF NEW JERSEY Margaret & Michael Paull writes: > My residence is about one town away from Woodbridge, N. J. Is there any > other background information that might be helpful? It is easier to help > when one knows as much as possible. > > Margaret Paull, Metuchen, N. J., very close to Woodbridge, N. J. Good, Evening, Margaret, I've been to Metuchen a number of times although, not recently. The Remak family were very good people but extremely recretive.I'm attempting to determine if either JULIA or ETHEL REMAK was my Mmgrandmother. Any information about either would be appreciated. These two individuals were children of John and Lizzie. I would like to know if John and Bertha had daughters named Ethel or Julia. I would also like to know in what way these two families were related--if at all. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you. Lou Barsi > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of dr.barsi > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 3:19 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [HUNGARY] REMAK FAMILY OF NEW JERSEY > > > Good Afternoon, Listers, > > I'm looking for any information regarding the REMAK families of Middlesex > County, New Jersey. > > 1.) JOHN and BERTHA REMAK and their children and parents. > > 2.) JOHN and LIZZIE REMAK and their parents. > > 3.) JULIA REMAK, born about 1895/1896 in Woodbridge, NJ. > > Thank you. > > Lou Barsi > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret & Michael Paull writes: > My residence is about one town away from Woodbridge, N. J. Is there any > other background information that might be helpful? It is easier to help > when one knows as much as possible. > > Margaret Paull, Metuchen, N. J., very close to Woodbridge, N. J. Good, Evening, Margaret, I've been to Metuchen a number of times although, not recently. The Remak family were very good people but extremely recretive.I'm attempting to determine if either JULIA or ETHEL REMAK was my Mmgrandmother. Any information about either would be appreciated. These two individuals were children of John and Lizzie. I would like to know if John and Bertha had daughters named Ethel or Julia. I would also like to know in what way these two families were related--if at all. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you. Lou Barsi > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of dr.barsi > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 3:19 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [HUNGARY] REMAK FAMILY OF NEW JERSEY > > > Good Afternoon, Listers, > > I'm looking for any information regarding the REMAK families of Middlesex > County, New Jersey. > > 1.) JOHN and BERTHA REMAK and their children and parents. > > 2.) JOHN and LIZZIE REMAK and their parents. > > 3.) JULIA REMAK, born about 1895/1896 in Woodbridge, NJ. > > Thank you. > > Lou Barsi > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wikipedia has some information about Anton, presumably the same Archduke referred to in the entry that was posted. There isn't a whole lot of information but judging by the dates, it may be the same person. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archduke_Anton_Victor_of_Austria Best, William. > From: Grayce Ezarik <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HUNGARY] 1797: Hungarian soldiers dying in > Italy > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > You are noble indeed for posting this. Please send > more...........maybe our scholars on the list can tell us > who Anton > the Archduke is. I love this. > > I ran into records of Napoleon in the records from > Winnweiler, > Rhinland Pfalz about 1813 - + when searching for GGG. > > Grayce in PA > On Oct 17, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Elaine Evans wrote: > > > > > > "1797, Nov. 9: Adamo Pruchma, ungarese, e > soldato del Regimento > > Arciduca > > Antonio ... fu sepolto nel Cimitero dell' > insigne Collegiata > > d'Arco". He > > was 22 years old, and no cause of death was listed. I > skipped > > (with ...) > > the section where it lists all the sacraments he > received. Running > > this > > thru freetranslation.com , I think this translates to > something like: > > "Nov 9, 1797: Adam Pruchma, Hungarian, and > soldier of the Regiment of > > Archduke Anton ... was buried in the Cemetery of the > famous > > Collegiata of > > Arco." > > > > The Collegiata is, I think, the largest church in the > area. > > > > Does someone have a better understanding of the > history of those > > times than > > I do? Did Hungary provide troups to help protect the > Austrian > > lands? And > > they were sent all the way to to the south Tyrol? > (Can I possibly > > be part > > Hungarian on my Italian side?) > > > > - Elaine > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Good Afternoon, Listers, I'm looking for any information regarding the REMAK families of Middlesex County, New Jersey. 1.) JOHN and BERTHA REMAK and their children and parents. 2.) JOHN and LIZZIE REMAK and their parents. 3.) JULIA REMAK, born about 1895/1896 in Woodbridge, NJ. Thank you. Lou Barsi

Hello , Remak , John born Feb 1871 married 1889 in Hungary came to USA 1890 Lizzie Feb 1873 " " " " " " " 1891 Ethel Apr 1891 born in Hungary arrived USA 1895 Julia July 1895 ' ' New Jersey John July 1898 ' ' New Jersey after June 12 ,1898 From the 1900 New Jersey census sheet 3-A ;ED 71 ; NJ , Middlesex, Woodbury , Carteret Township taken June 12, 1900 Lines 33-37 From 1910 census add Paul born 1901 New Jersey Joseph 1903 " " Pauline Mar 1910 N .J. From 1910 census sheet 210-A ; ED 53 ; April 27,1910 NJ , Middlesex, Woodbury Remak John age 33, 1st marriage 12yrs ; (1898) arrived 1869 in USA hotel proprietor Bertha 31 " " " " " " 1897 " " John 11 born N J Stephen 9 " " Lena 7 " " ******* NOTE below Margaret 3 " ' Emma 6/12 born Nov 1909 in NJ From 1930 census Sheet 13-B , ED 12-145 ; April 28-29 , 1930 ;NJ Middlesex, Woodbury Remak, John owns home value $20000 age 52 ; m 20 ; arrived in USA 1896 Proprietor Restaurant Bertha ................................ 51 m 19; " " " 1892 John jr .................................. 31 single born N J painter in furniture factory Stephen .................................... 29 " ( born Mar 3, 1901 Died Apr 1976) works in lumber Edward J ....................................... 18 " " 1912 Painter apprentice Furniture factory Mary ......................................... 15 " Born NJ Elizabeth ........................................... 12 " ' " Irene ................................................... 10 " " " Found in Ancestry under name "Renick" ******* NOTE Lena was Helen Bertha Born Jan 23 , 1903 died July 2, 1994 as Helen Bertha (Remak) Farr in Defiance Ohio From 1900 census sheet 28-B , ED 52 ; NJ Middlesex , Perth Amboy ; June 15 1900 Remak , John Born May 1852 ; age 48 single ; from Hungary arrived 1891 here 9 yrs an alien ; a border From 1930 census sheet 4-B ; ED 12-6 ; April 4 , 1930 ; NJ , Middlesex , Carteret Borough NOTE : this one is hard to understand ....... an Ethel Remak living with a brothers & sisters & Mom in Carteret , Middlesex New Jersey . Here we go Donavan , John head ; age 34, ( 1896) ,single; born NJ Anna Mother " 46 wd from Czech Magyar arrived 1901 there are 3 more brothers & 1 sister all named Donovan then Ethel Remak ,age 38 single; sister to this family born in Czech ... Magyar arrived in USA 1896 na ; a merchant in ?? shop Military registrations ; John Remak born Jan 8 1877 in Hungary ; Saloon keeper Looks like Bertha Turk Remak wife . Med height ; stout build ; eyes dark ; hair black lives @ 12 New street Woodbridge , Middlesex NJ signed Sept 12, 1918 John Joseph Remak 12 New St , Woodbridge , Middlesex NJ ; born Dec 17, 1898 ; in NJ ; Grainer Steel Equipment for Hormel co; One person who will know where you are ; John Remak ( father) 12 New St , Height short; build med ; eyes brown ck . signed Sept ?? 1918 That is about it . Julie B in NC -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dr.barsi Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 7:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HUNGARY] REMAK FAMILY OF NEW JERSEY Margaret & Michael Paull writes: > My residence is about one town away from Woodbridge, N. J. Is there > any other background information that might be helpful? It is easier > to help when one knows as much as possible. > > Margaret Paull, Metuchen, N. J., very close to Woodbridge, N. J. Good, Evening, Margaret, I've been to Metuchen a number of times although, not recently. The Remak family were very good people but extremely recretive.I'm attempting to determine if either JULIA or ETHEL REMAK was my Mmgrandmother. Any information about either would be appreciated. These two individuals were children of John and Lizzie. I would like to know if John and Bertha had daughters named Ethel or Julia. I would also like to know in what way these two families were related--if at all. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you. Lou Barsi > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of dr.barsi > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 3:19 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [HUNGARY] REMAK FAMILY OF NEW JERSEY > > > Good Afternoon, Listers, > > I'm looking for any information regarding the REMAK families of > Middlesex County, New Jersey. > > 1.) JOHN and BERTHA REMAK and their children and parents. > > 2.) JOHN and LIZZIE REMAK and their parents. > > 3.) JULIA REMAK, born about 1895/1896 in Woodbridge, NJ. > > Thank you. > > Lou Barsi > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My residence is about one town away from Woodbridge, N. J. Is there any other background information that might be helpful? It is easier to help when one knows as much as possible. Margaret Paull, Metuchen, N. J., very close to Woodbridge, N. J. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of dr.barsi Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 3:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [HUNGARY] REMAK FAMILY OF NEW JERSEY Good Afternoon, Listers, I'm looking for any information regarding the REMAK families of Middlesex County, New Jersey. 1.) JOHN and BERTHA REMAK and their children and parents. 2.) JOHN and LIZZIE REMAK and their parents. 3.) JULIA REMAK, born about 1895/1896 in Woodbridge, NJ. Thank you. Lou Barsi ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are noble indeed for posting this. Please send more...........maybe our scholars on the list can tell us who Anton the Archduke is. I love this. I ran into records of Napoleon in the records from Winnweiler, Rhinland Pfalz about 1813 - + when searching for GGG. Grayce in PA On Oct 17, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Elaine Evans wrote: > > > "1797, Nov. 9: Adamo Pruchma, ungarese, e soldato del Regimento > Arciduca > Antonio ... fu sepolto nel Cimitero dell' insigne Collegiata > d'Arco". He > was 22 years old, and no cause of death was listed. I skipped > (with ...) > the section where it lists all the sacraments he received. Running > this > thru freetranslation.com , I think this translates to something like: > "Nov 9, 1797: Adam Pruchma, Hungarian, and soldier of the Regiment of > Archduke Anton ... was buried in the Cemetery of the famous > Collegiata of > Arco." > > The Collegiata is, I think, the largest church in the area. > > Does someone have a better understanding of the history of those > times than > I do? Did Hungary provide troups to help protect the Austrian > lands? And > they were sent all the way to to the south Tyrol? (Can I possibly > be part > Hungarian on my Italian side?) > > - Elaine > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNGARY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I was researching the OTHER side of my family the other day. They are from, well, now it's in northern Italy, but it used to be a part of Austria. I was looking at the death records from around 1800 for Arco, in Trento, Italy. It is at the northern end of Lake Garda, at the southern edge of the Alps. I was surprised to find about 5 or so deaths of Hungarian soldiers around that time there in the south Tyrol. Also 1 soldier from Moravia and one from I believe it said Bosnia. Googling around and checking Wikipedia, I see that Napoleon was invading Italy and Austria around that time. The handwriting from that time is very hard to read. I selected one of the more legible entries for a Hungarian soldier and I will post it here. Unfortunately, there was no information as far as where he was born or where he lived. I have no idea how researchers today would find these death records of their soldier ancestors so far from home: "1797, Nov. 9: Adamo Pruchma, ungarese, e soldato del Regimento Arciduca Antonio ... fu sepolto nel Cimitero dell' insigne Collegiata d'Arco". He was 22 years old, and no cause of death was listed. I skipped (with ...) the section where it lists all the sacraments he received. Running this thru freetranslation.com , I think this translates to something like: "Nov 9, 1797: Adam Pruchma, Hungarian, and soldier of the Regiment of Archduke Anton ... was buried in the Cemetery of the famous Collegiata of Arco." The Collegiata is, I think, the largest church in the area. Does someone have a better understanding of the history of those times than I do? Did Hungary provide troups to help protect the Austrian lands? And they were sent all the way to to the south Tyrol? (Can I possibly be part Hungarian on my Italian side?) - Elaine

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I am not a member and would like to know how to join. Thank you. Jay Farrell --- On Wed, 10/15/08, laszlo josa <[email protected]> wrote: From: laszlo josa <[email protected]> Subject: [HUNGARY] FW: MAGYAR FAMILY has been renewed To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:22 PM Hello to all Hungarian Listers, I want to publicly thank Rudy for paying the yearly fee to renew the MAGYAR FAMILY WEBSITE. We had no electricity here in Houston for 13 days and then I went on vacation to Buffalo, so I was late in renewing. Long as I am talking about this website, if you are not a member just email me and I will send you an invitation. Laszlo (Les) Josa -----Original Message----- From: MyFamily.com [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: MAGYAR FAMILY has been renewed Dear LES, Rudy Czeizinger has just renewed your MyFamily.com site, MAGYAR FAMILY. Visit your site now at: http://www.myfamily.com/isapi.dll?c=site&htx=main&siteid=gPwHAM&_ref=SiteUpg rade%5CSponsorEmail&_lin=139 Thanks again for choosing MyFamily.com as the place to stay connected with family and friends. Sincerely, MyFamily.com Member Services No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 10/4/2008 11:35 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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This is very possible speculation, keeping an open mind. I have several old maps..... one is 1680-1918. I have a map that shows county of Belovár-Kórös. Good idea to continue to search older maps, even at the good old Library. Thank You so much. grayce in PA On Oct 13, 2008, at 9:17 AM, [email protected] wrote: > When you see this confusing mix of "from Hungary", but "Russian" > surnames or > place names, also throwing in Czechoslovakia (or Czech or Slovak), > look into > Carpatho-Rusyn ethnicity, and see if that fits. Rusyns are East > Slavs, as > are Russians and Ukrainians, who lived in historical Hungary and > nearby > areas. > > I suspect Balovaretz might actually be spelled starting with > Belo- , Belo > means "white" in Russian and other Slavic languages. Altho just > Googling > I'm not finding any hits. I suggest looking at a map, starting > maybe in NE > Slovakia and moving outward from there, for a village that may > sound like > Balovaretz. It may even be 2 words, Belo Varets, something like that. > Also, some village names have changed. Does anyone have a link to > that > wonderful 1910 map of Hungary? That might be a good place to look > for a > name like Balovaretz. > > Actually, the -etz or -ets ending sounds like a Russian ending to > me, and > not a Rusyn ending, but I don't know if there is any overlap. I > also don't > know what it means. And I would guess Djerdj would be a Slavic > "George"? > > All this is speculation on my part. > > - Elaine E. > > > > >> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:21:01 -0400 >> From: Grayce Ezarik <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [HUNGARY] Balovaretz >> To: [email protected] >> >> MLP, >> >> You are absolutely right. His race was Russian and his birthplace >> (1910) Hungary. BTW, his uncle or Father was born (1886) in Czech as >> were his parents, w/Slovak ethnicity, with the etz ending in his >> name. The family recalls being at their (Uncle) farm in Ohio, so it >> is not a mythical person. Of course any scenario is a possibility, as >> an adoptee etc. >> >> Uncle's Naturalization index ( #253, 39210 PET 1-30-29, 11 5 1886 >> BD ), >> >> with distinct, clear and perfect spelling, listed this as description >> of record: >> >> D-250 Duchene, Frank Nil-D-263 Djerdj, Djokic >> >> The last two words sound like a port or harbor, but according to >> Google, it is a man/woman's name. Same applies to Duchene, Frank. >> >> Hey, The name is Duchene is similar to the Russian male, whose >> surname is Dochenetz. I just now realized that, so the mailing list >> is very helpful. >> >> I will check other nat index cards and see if there is a relationship >> to the wording. >> >> Thanks all. >> >> grayce in PA >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNGARY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

When you see this confusing mix of "from Hungary", but "Russian" surnames or place names, also throwing in Czechoslovakia (or Czech or Slovak), look into Carpatho-Rusyn ethnicity, and see if that fits. Rusyns are East Slavs, as are Russians and Ukrainians, who lived in historical Hungary and nearby areas. I suspect Balovaretz might actually be spelled starting with Belo- , Belo means "white" in Russian and other Slavic languages. Altho just Googling I'm not finding any hits. I suggest looking at a map, starting maybe in NE Slovakia and moving outward from there, for a village that may sound like Balovaretz. It may even be 2 words, Belo Varets, something like that. Also, some village names have changed. Does anyone have a link to that wonderful 1910 map of Hungary? That might be a good place to look for a name like Balovaretz. Actually, the -etz or -ets ending sounds like a Russian ending to me, and not a Rusyn ending, but I don't know if there is any overlap. I also don't know what it means. And I would guess Djerdj would be a Slavic "George"? All this is speculation on my part. - Elaine E. > Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:21:01 -0400 > From: Grayce Ezarik <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HUNGARY] Balovaretz > To: [email protected] > > MLP, > > You are absolutely right. His race was Russian and his birthplace > (1910) Hungary. BTW, his uncle or Father was born (1886) in Czech as > were his parents, w/Slovak ethnicity, with the etz ending in his > name. The family recalls being at their (Uncle) farm in Ohio, so it > is not a mythical person. Of course any scenario is a possibility, as > an adoptee etc. > > Uncle's Naturalization index ( #253, 39210 PET 1-30-29, 11 5 1886 BD ), > > with distinct, clear and perfect spelling, listed this as description > of record: > > D-250 Duchene, Frank Nil-D-263 Djerdj, Djokic > > The last two words sound like a port or harbor, but according to > Google, it is a man/woman's name. Same applies to Duchene, Frank. > > Hey, The name is Duchene is similar to the Russian male, whose > surname is Dochenetz. I just now realized that, so the mailing list > is very helpful. > > I will check other nat index cards and see if there is a relationship > to the wording. > > Thanks all. > > grayce in PA > >

MLP, You are absolutely right. His race was Russian and his birthplace (1910) Hungary. BTW, his uncle or Father was born (1886) in Czech as were his parents, w/Slovak ethnicity, with the etz ending in his name. The family recalls being at their (Uncle) farm in Ohio, so it is not a mythical person. Of course any scenario is a possibility, as an adoptee etc. Uncle's Naturalization index ( #253, 39210 PET 1-30-29, 11 5 1886 BD ), with distinct, clear and perfect spelling, listed this as description of record: D-250 Duchene, Frank Nil-D-263 Djerdj, Djokic The last two words sound like a port or harbor, but according to Google, it is a man/woman's name. Same applies to Duchene, Frank. Hey, The name is Duchene is similar to the Russian male, whose surname is Dochenetz. I just now realized that, so the mailing list is very helpful. I will check other nat index cards and see if there is a relationship to the wording. Thanks all. grayce in PA > > Hi list, I am back after a few years....I wonder if anyone has a clue > where I could find where male born in Balovaretz, Hungary, he > speaks English and is Russian (race) as listed on manifest put out by > the U. S. Department of Immigration and Naturalization Services. > > The etz does not sound Hungarian or Russian to me, and btw, the males > name ends with etz. > > I did some searches of villages on Wikipedia, but not to be found in > Hungary. Any hints appreciated. > > Grayce in PA > > > > Hi Grayce, > > A Google search didn't find the Balovaretz spelling; however, > searching a > suffix for etz brought up this: > > According to JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker, Dworetz was situated 16.3 > miles north of Berdichev, and 8.2 miles south of Zhitomer. Thus, > the name Dwor may have resulted by dropping the suffix "-etz." > > > Berdichev was near Kiev - 100 miles southwest. > ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > also a web site re Yiddish asked the question, but no one answered: > > Subject: etymology of "etz" and "enk" > > "Does anyone know where the use of "etz" and "enk" for ihr and > eich comes > from?" > > ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > It's a good guess your query person is Russian. > > Marika > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNGARY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 10/10/2008 9:38:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi list, I am back after a few years....I wonder if anyone has a clue where I could find where male born in Balovaretz, Hungary, he speaks English and is Russian (race) as listed on manifest put out by the U. S. Department of Immigration and Naturalization Services. The etz does not sound Hungarian or Russian to me, and btw, the males name ends with etz. I did some searches of villages on Wikipedia, but not to be found in Hungary. Any hints appreciated. Grayce in PA Hi Grayce, A Google search didn't find the Balovaretz spelling; however, searching a suffix for etz brought up this: According to JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker, Dworetz was situated 16.3 miles north of Berdichev, and 8.2 miles south of Zhitomer. Thus, the name Dwor may have resulted by dropping the suffix "-etz." Berdichev was near Kiev - 100 miles southwest. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, also a web site re Yiddish asked the question, but no one answered: Subject: etymology of "etz" and "enk" "Does anyone know where the use of "etz" and "enk" for ihr and eich comes from?" ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, It's a good guess your query person is Russian. Marika **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

It's almost certain, Grayce, that place name was mis-spelled, for whatever reason. I would tend to concentrate on Bélavézse, county Sáros, district Bártfa, which was populated by Ukrainians in 1910, and had names like Belovezsa, Beloweza, and today is named Beloveza in Slovakia. You can use http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellisgold.html to just crank in the town's name in different spellings to see what you get. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA [email protected] Grayce Ezarik wrote: >Hi list, I am back after a few years....I wonder if anyone has a clue >where I could find where male born in Balovaretz, Hungary, he >speaks English and is Russian (race) as listed on manifest put out by >the U. S. Department of Immigration and Naturalization Services. > >The etz does not sound Hungarian or Russian to me, and btw, the males >name ends with etz. > >I did some searches of villages on Wikipedia, but not to be found in >Hungary. Any hints appreciated. > >Grayce in PA >

There is no "Balovaretz" in the "Hungarian Village Finder" CD, nor in Expedia, nor in Google. ...Steve in IN Grayce Ezarik wrote: > Hi list, I am back after a few years....I wonder if anyone has a clue > where I could find where male born in Balovaretz, Hungary, he > speaks English and is Russian (race) as listed on manifest put out by > the U. S. Department of Immigration and Naturalization Services. > > The etz does not sound Hungarian or Russian to me, and btw, the males > name ends with etz. > > I did some searches of villages on Wikipedia, but not to be found in > Hungary. Any hints appreciated. > > Grayce in PA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi list, I am back after a few years....I wonder if anyone has a clue where I could find where male born in Balovaretz, Hungary, he speaks English and is Russian (race) as listed on manifest put out by the U. S. Department of Immigration and Naturalization Services. The etz does not sound Hungarian or Russian to me, and btw, the males name ends with etz. I did some searches of villages on Wikipedia, but not to be found in Hungary. Any hints appreciated. Grayce in PA