I have one of a cousin's grandmother dressed that way. Bette ----- Original Message ----- From: "marys1015" <[email protected]> To: "Hungary" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: [HUNGARY] Hungarian clothing > Hello Listers, > > I recently received a photograph of one of my Hungarian > great-grandmothers. Anna (Sztolyar-Hvizsdtsak) TIMKO/BORAI, was born 1858 > in Hardicsa, Zemplen Megye, Hungary (Zemplin Hardiste, Slovakia). The > picture, taken in a studio about 1910, shows her with her daughter Maria > TIMKO, age 17, and two BORAI step-daughters. The step-daughters appear to > be about 7 and 10 years old. Her second husband, Andrew BORAI, is not in > the picture. > > Great-grandmother is 52 years old. She is wearing a long black dress and > what appears to be a pillbox hat covering the front of her hair under a > headscarf. The headscarf is tied very neatly and frames her face. I've > seen pictures of other Hungarian ladies with similar head coverings and > dressed in black. > > I'm wondering if she is wearing a traditional morning outfit. I don't know > when her second husband, Mr. Borai, died. Please tell me about the dress > and head covering worn by women in this time period. > > Thank you very much. > > Best Regards, > Mary Nagy > > Timko, Sztolyar, Hvizsdtsak, Stolyar, Hvizdak, Borai > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 10/26/2008 10:03:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Dear listers, I am so greatful that you are all out there!!! My local Hungarian club invited me to come talk about heading up a committee to determine how such a workshop would be run. A few years ago a scottish society held a workshop and for the fee, everyone got a notebook full of information. They had maps of scotland with the origins of the clans and this map was dated. But with Hungary's borders changing (more than once, am I correct?) I thought it would be good to show the different maps for the different time periods, ending with a present day map that is printed on a clear plastic sheet that could be used as an overlay onto the othere maps...am I describing this clearly? picture a standard size 3 ring school binder, with one section just called maps maybe...I work in a school and I know teachers can run off these plastic sheets in the copy machine...does anyone have such maps that I could reproduce? I would gladly pay. or a suggestion of a book that has such a thing that I could reproduce? and, is there such a map that shows common name areas? did that occur in Hungary as with the clans in scotland? also, is there a knowledgeable genealogist out there who would be willing to come to connecticut and give a lecture about how to find your relatives? we are thing of late spring as it would take a long time to get this well developed. someone had mentioned having a large map posted on an easel. that would be good, but where would I get one? Also, I have seen maps of Hungary with crests around the country..what are the crests for? for names of families or counties or regions? also, are there maps of the different religions? any ideas would be greatful. I am very excited about this...please help me think of ideas, and reference groups, clubs, etc. that could be included in this book... thank you all so much! Jay Farrell Jay, some suggestions: (l.) Contact your State Government for a "free" genealogy speaker. Here is one site for contacts, but you will have to negotiate which are free _http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctpgc/guide.html#Speakers_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctpgc/guide.html#Speakers) Contact your local historical society for "free" genealogy speakers. (2.) I noticed on another site a Kim Formika specializes in Hungary. You'll have to do more research to find her. Click on Hungary - Ethnic Specialties _http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctpgc/guide.html_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctpgc/guide.html) (3.) Extrapolate some county town/city names _http://www.hungarianvillagefinder.com/_ (http://www.hungarianvillagefinder.com/) (4.) The most frequent Hungarian surnames _http://www.bogardi.com/gen/g065.htm_ (http://www.bogardi.com/gen/g065.htm) (5.) About Hungarian names, frequent names, etc. _http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1336/magyar16.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1336/magyar16.html) (6.) Map sites - couldn't get this to download - try your search engine _http://lazarus.elte.hu/gb/maps/movaros.htm_ (http://lazarus.elte.hu/gb/maps/movaros.htm) Home: _http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wghungar/maps/index.html_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wghungar/maps/index.html) This is a good map: _http://lazarus.elte.hu/gb/maps/mo-full.gif_ (http://lazarus.elte.hu/gb/maps/mo-full.gif) (7.) List of common surnames _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_family_names#Hungary_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_family_names#Hungary) Do your own sandwich board, sized for your map. Again, I would suggest using the push-pin method for attendees to identify their own towns. There is something about making direct contact with a map that gives one a sense of connection. Although, I think one poster advised another system that sounded like it might work well. Staples will size a map up to newspaper size (single side) for about $2.00. Keep your sheets of various spellings of Hungary's towns near the map for lookups. Good Luck! Marika **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)

Jamene, Your ideas sound very interesting. The previous HungaryGenWeb had maps of Hungary with the different borders going back many years. That was part of it's website. Also the subject of crests is very, very interesting to me. Not just seeing pictures of the crests maybe of the different Megyes of Hungary but there are a few web sites that explain the meaning of certain things that are on the crests. For example, the rivers, the mountains are all explained in a website about the crests. It is all very interesting. There is a website that will give the crest for all the megyes of Hungary. Margaret Paull, Metuchen, New Jersey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jamene Farrell Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:03 AM To: Hungary Subject: [HUNGARY] genealogy workshop Dear listers,   I am so greatful that you are all out there!!! My local Hungarian club invited me to come talk about heading up a committee to determine how such a workshop would be run. A few years ago a scottish society held a workshop and for the fee, everyone got a notebook full of information. They had maps of scotland with the origins of the clans and this map was dated. But with Hungary's borders changing (more than once, am I correct?) I thought it would be good to show the different maps for the different time periods, ending with a present day map that is printed on a clear plastic sheet that could be used as an overlay onto the othere maps...am I describing this clearly? picture a standard size 3 ring school binder, with one section just called maps maybe...I work in a school and I know teachers can run off these plastic sheets in the copy machine...does anyone have such maps that I could reproduce? I would gladly pay. or a suggestion of a book that has such a thing that I could reproduce? and, is there such a map that shows common name areas? did that occur in Hungary as with the clans in scotland? also, is there a knowledgeable genealogist out there who would be willing to come to connecticut and give a lecture about how to find your relatives? we are thing of late spring as it would take a long time to get this well developed. someone had mentioned having a large map posted on an easel. that would be good, but where would I get one? Also, I have seen maps of Hungary with crests around the country..what are the crests for? for names of families or counties or regions? also, are there maps of the different religions? any ideas would be greatful. I am very excited about this...please help me think of ideas, and reference groups, clubs, etc. that could be included in this book... thank you all so much! Jay Farrell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear listers,   I am so greatful that you are all out there!!! My local Hungarian club invited me to come talk about heading up a committee to determine how such a workshop would be run. A few years ago a scottish society held a workshop and for the fee, everyone got a notebook full of information. They had maps of scotland with the origins of the clans and this map was dated. But with Hungary's borders changing (more than once, am I correct?) I thought it would be good to show the different maps for the different time periods, ending with a present day map that is printed on a clear plastic sheet that could be used as an overlay onto the othere maps...am I describing this clearly? picture a standard size 3 ring school binder, with one section just called maps maybe...I work in a school and I know teachers can run off these plastic sheets in the copy machine...does anyone have such maps that I could reproduce? I would gladly pay. or a suggestion of a book that has such a thing that I could reproduce? and, is there such a map that shows common name areas? did that occur in Hungary as with the clans in scotland? also, is there a knowledgeable genealogist out there who would be willing to come to connecticut and give a lecture about how to find your relatives? we are thing of late spring as it would take a long time to get this well developed. someone had mentioned having a large map posted on an easel. that would be good, but where would I get one? Also, I have seen maps of Hungary with crests around the country..what are the crests for? for names of families or counties or regions? also, are there maps of the different religions? any ideas would be greatful. I am very excited about this...please help me think of ideas, and reference groups, clubs, etc. that could be included in this book... thank you all so much! Jay Farrell

Hi all, I'm having problem reaching Lorna at her mailbox - she is the one looking for Futó in Pányok. If you get this please get back to me. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA [email protected]

My best wishes to you and your Hungarian Club for their remarkable revitalization. I also took a look at the wonderful web site. Wish all of you much continued success and I know that the love of our Hungarian Heritage is almost deeper than words can express. Margaret Paull, Metuchen, New Jersey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jamene Farrell Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:18 AM To: Hungary; Liz Jupin; Zsuzsa Lengyl; Erika Papp; Oliver Valu Subject: [HUNGARY] Hungarian Revollution celebration to everyone on the list,   If you live in Connecticut, or near Walllingford, CT, there will be a celebration this Sunday at 4 PM at the Hungarian Club of Wallingford for the national holiday commemorating the 1956 Revolution. There will be much music; professional piano and violinist, and a professional soloist. There will be speakers, and then a showing of the much acclaimed recent movie, "Torn from the Flag". This event is FREE. Please come and be proud of what your relatives did on those remarkable days to help ensure Hungary's freedom.   Also, look at the newly designed website of the club at: http://hccwallingford.org. There are many new exciting events unfolding, not the least which will be a marvelous pig roast on November 22nd. This club was almost disbanded recently, and there has been a surge of new life in the club. so as to keep our culture and heritage alive! Come and be a part of YOUR heritage!   Jay Medvey Farrell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nic, according to this web site, DVD release comes later: http://www.hacusa.org/press/tornflag_111607.html Joe Equinunk, PA - USA [email protected] Nic Szasz wrote: >Dear List: > >Does anybody know, how I could order a copy of the much acclaimed recent movie, "Torn from the Flag" ? > >I couldn´t find it in an obvious place like amazon.com . > >Thanks for any tips, Nic > >

In a message dated 10/23/2008 8:18:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: to everyone on the list, If you live in Connecticut, or near Walllingford, CT, there will be a celebration this Sunday at 4 PM at the Hungarian Club of Wallingford for the national holiday commemorating the 1956 Revolution. There will be much music; professional piano and violinist, and a professional soloist. There will be speakers, and then a showing of the much acclaimed recent movie, "Torn from the Flag". This event is FREE. Please come and be proud of what your relatives did on those remarkable days to help ensure Hungary's freedom. Also, look at the newly designed website of the club at: http://hccwallingford.org. There are many new exciting events unfolding, not the least which will be a marvelous pig roast on November 22nd. This club was almost disbanded recently, and there has been a surge of new life in the club. so as to keep our culture and heritage alive! Come and be a part of YOUR heritage! Jay Medvey Farrell Congratulations Jay in having a hand in revitalizing your Hungarian Club. Your website tells the story effectively and the pictures show true enjoyment on their faces. Wishing you much success. Marika **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)

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to everyone on the list,   If you live in Connecticut, or near Walllingford, CT, there will be a celebration this Sunday at 4 PM at the Hungarian Club of Wallingford for the national holiday commemorating the 1956 Revolution. There will be much music; professional piano and violinist, and a professional soloist. There will be speakers, and then a showing of the much acclaimed recent movie, "Torn from the Flag". This event is FREE. Please come and be proud of what your relatives did on those remarkable days to help ensure Hungary's freedom.   Also, look at the newly designed website of the club at: http://hccwallingford.org. There are many new exciting events unfolding, not the least which will be a marvelous pig roast on November 22nd. This club was almost disbanded recently, and there has been a surge of new life in the club. so as to keep our culture and heritage alive! Come and be a part of YOUR heritage!   Jay Medvey Farrell

Hi Lorna, to start with Pányok was in county Abaúj-Torna, district Füzér. A tiny village of around 420 inhabitants in 1910. So far I could not find any parish records for it, but if your Stefan was of the Reformed faith records might be located in Abaújvár nearby (LDS has copies). To break the brick wall see if you can find any marriage records for him here in the States. That should list his parents' names - including his mom's. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA [email protected] [email protected] wrote: >I am looking for a birth record of Stefan FUTO. I believe he was born in >Panyok village Kozseg county Borsod- Abauj Zemplen. Born 6 Nov 1884. His fathers >name was also Stefan or Istavan he had one sister that I remember and we >called her Rose. I have death records but they all show mother unknown. > >He arrived in the USA July 6 1899 at Ellis Island. He went to live with >his Aunt in Pennsylvania. > >Please help I am at a brick wall with this one. > >Thank you , > >Lorna >

Lorna: I was finally able to find such information by receiving a copy of my grandmother's social security application. If your person received social security benefits it is likely that you can obtain a copy of his application. You can normally find the SS# by going to the Social Security Death Index online. Here is the address to obtain a copy of the application: Send (1) the person's name, (2) the person's Social Security Number (if known), and (3) either evidence of death or a release-of-information statement signed by the person about whom the information is sought, to: Social Security Administration OEO FOIA Workgroup 300 N. Greene Street P.O. Box 33022 Baltimore, Maryland 21290-3022 Good Luck! Rita ----------------------------------------- In a message dated 10/21/2008 10:50:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I am looking for a birth record of Stefan FUTO. I believe he was born in Panyok village Kozseg county Borsod- Abauj Zemplen. Born 6 Nov 1884. His fathers name was also Stefan or Istavan he had one sister that I remember and we called her Rose. I have death records but they all show mother unknown. He arrived in the USA July 6 1899 at Ellis Island. He went to live with his Aunt in Pennsylvania. Please help I am at a brick wall with this one. Thank you , Lorna **************BUY Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull on DVD today! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1209326865x1200539441/aol?redir=http: //www.indianajones.com/site/index.html) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************BUY Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull on DVD today! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1209326865x1200539441/aol?redir=http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html)

I am looking for a birth record of Stefan FUTO. I believe he was born in Panyok village Kozseg county Borsod- Abauj Zemplen. Born 6 Nov 1884. His fathers name was also Stefan or Istavan he had one sister that I remember and we called her Rose. I have death records but they all show mother unknown. He arrived in the USA July 6 1899 at Ellis Island. He went to live with his Aunt in Pennsylvania. Please help I am at a brick wall with this one. Thank you , Lorna **************BUY Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull on DVD today! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1209326865x1200539441/aol?redir=http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html)

You are so great to take time to transcribe these records and we and all, I hope will pass these along every chance we can, to get the names out there. We help each other. Reading foreign records, well, we learn as we go and we do learn the language somewhat. Thanks, Grayce in Pa On Oct 19, 2008, at 1:39 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Thank you Grayce, William, Bela and Joe for filling me in on this > period of > European history. I never would have thought that doing research > on my > Italian farmer ancestors would lead me to Napolean and Hungarian > soldiers! > > I speculate whether some of these soldiers fell in love with local > girls and > stayed. I have seen surnames in these records that didn't strike > me as > Italian or Austrian/German. For example, I keep seeing the surname > Galas > over many years, and I thought that sounded like it could be a > Hungarian > surname. Altho this web page: > http://genealogy.familyeducation.com/surname-origin/galas tells me > the > surname can also be Polish, Dutch or Spanish. I see also the surname > Marosi; when I Google for that surname, I find mostly Hungarian > references. > > > I went back yesterday and found 3 other soldiers listed as Hungarian. > Please bear with me, the handwriting was very bad, and one page of the > microfilm was very dark and hard to read, and sometimes they use > abbreviations which I do not understand. I do not know Italian or > Hungarian, so I'm not even sure that what I've written down are > real words, > and I'm sure I'm making a mess of the personal names. I'm also not > putting > the diacritical marks over the final A in words like citta (city) and > eternita (eternity) : > > > 1) 1797 Aug 23, age 36: > > "Joannes Frund soldatto del Regimento Arciduca Antonio d'ungaria > assalito da > un straordinario sputo di sangue passo in brevissimo tempo > all'eternita, e > fu sepolto nel cimitero di questa citta" > > Using freetranslation.com and my own imagination: > "Joannes Frund, sodier of the Regiment of Archduke Anton of > Hungary was > afflicted with an extraordinary spitting up of blood and in a very > short > time passed into eternity, and was buried in the cemetery of this > city" > > > 2) 1797 Nov 29, age 24, cause of death = fever (febbre): > > "Bavo Kniafief ungarese soldato del Regimento Arciduca Antonio di > Sabate > [?Labate?] S. nella notte antecedente nell' ospitale oltre il donte > [?ponte?] passo all eternita, e fu sepolto nel luogo solito." > > Translation?: > "Bavo Kniafief, Hungarian soldier of the Regiment of Archduke Anton of > Saturdays [?] S. died during the preceding night in the hospital > beyond the > bridge?, passed into eternity, and was buried in the usual place." > > > 3) 1797 Dec. 8, age 24, cause of death = fever (especially hard to > read): > > "Larunz Pimon loon Prighndin di ungaria soldato del Regimento Arciduca > Antonio mori improvisamente nell' ospitale il ponta in questo mane, > ed oggi > fu sepolto." > > Translation?: > "Larunz Pimon loon Prighndin of Hungary, soldier of the Regiment of > Archduke > Anton died suddenly in the hospital beyond the bridge in this > morning, and > today was buried." > > > All of these were in the records for Arco, Trento, (currently in) > Italy. > > - Elaine > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNGARY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Don't know, Elaine, how much time you want to spend on these Hungarians there, but if you can make copies of the pages with their records and also record the relevant page # and entry # for their entry in the books, I can send the copies along to the Austrian Military archives to see if they can find additional information about them. Also, if you just check marriage records for the previous 10-20 years, you can determine how many fell in love with the local gals! :-) There might be additional information about them there as well. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA [email protected] [email protected] wrote: >... >I speculate whether some of these soldiers fell in love with local girls and >stayed. I have seen surnames in these records that didn't strike me as >Italian or Austrian/German. For example, I keep seeing the surname Galas >over many years, and I thought that sounded like it could be a Hungarian >surname. Altho this web page: >http://genealogy.familyeducation.com/surname-origin/galas tells me the >surname can also be Polish, Dutch or Spanish. I see also the surname >Marosi; when I Google for that surname, I find mostly Hungarian references. > >I went back yesterday and found 3 other soldiers listed as Hungarian. >Please bear with me, the handwriting was very bad, and one page of the >microfilm was very dark and hard to read, and sometimes they use >abbreviations which I do not understand. I do not know Italian or >Hungarian, so I'm not even sure that what I've written down are real words, >and I'm sure I'm making a mess of the personal names. I'm also not putting >the diacritical marks over the final A in words like citta (city) and >eternita (eternity) : > > >1) 1797 Aug 23, age 36: > >"Joannes Frund soldatto del Regimento Arciduca Antonio d'ungaria assalito da >un straordinario sputo di sangue passo in brevissimo tempo all'eternita, e >fu sepolto nel cimitero di questa citta" > >Using freetranslation.com and my own imagination: >"Joannes Frund, sodier of the Regiment of Archduke Anton of Hungary was >afflicted with an extraordinary spitting up of blood and in a very short >time passed into eternity, and was buried in the cemetery of this city" > > >2) 1797 Nov 29, age 24, cause of death = fever (febbre): > >"Bavo Kniafief ungarese soldato del Regimento Arciduca Antonio di Sabate >[?Labate?] S. nella notte antecedente nell' ospitale oltre il donte >[?ponte?] passo all eternita, e fu sepolto nel luogo solito." > >Translation?: >"Bavo Kniafief, Hungarian soldier of the Regiment of Archduke Anton of >Saturdays [?] S. died during the preceding night in the hospital beyond the >bridge?, passed into eternity, and was buried in the usual place." > > >3) 1797 Dec. 8, age 24, cause of death = fever (especially hard to read): > >"Larunz Pimon loon Prighndin di ungaria soldato del Regimento Arciduca >Antonio mori improvisamente nell' ospitale il ponta in questo mane, ed oggi >fu sepolto." > >Translation?: >"Larunz Pimon loon Prighndin of Hungary, soldier of the Regiment of Archduke >Anton died suddenly in the hospital beyond the bridge in this morning, and >today was buried." > > >All of these were in the records for Arco, Trento, (currently in) Italy. > >- Elaine >

Thank you Grayce, William, Bela and Joe for filling me in on this period of European history. I never would have thought that doing research on my Italian farmer ancestors would lead me to Napolean and Hungarian soldiers! I speculate whether some of these soldiers fell in love with local girls and stayed. I have seen surnames in these records that didn't strike me as Italian or Austrian/German. For example, I keep seeing the surname Galas over many years, and I thought that sounded like it could be a Hungarian surname. Altho this web page: http://genealogy.familyeducation.com/surname-origin/galas tells me the surname can also be Polish, Dutch or Spanish. I see also the surname Marosi; when I Google for that surname, I find mostly Hungarian references. I went back yesterday and found 3 other soldiers listed as Hungarian. Please bear with me, the handwriting was very bad, and one page of the microfilm was very dark and hard to read, and sometimes they use abbreviations which I do not understand. I do not know Italian or Hungarian, so I'm not even sure that what I've written down are real words, and I'm sure I'm making a mess of the personal names. I'm also not putting the diacritical marks over the final A in words like citta (city) and eternita (eternity) : 1) 1797 Aug 23, age 36: "Joannes Frund soldatto del Regimento Arciduca Antonio d'ungaria assalito da un straordinario sputo di sangue passo in brevissimo tempo all'eternita, e fu sepolto nel cimitero di questa citta" Using freetranslation.com and my own imagination: "Joannes Frund, sodier of the Regiment of Archduke Anton of Hungary was afflicted with an extraordinary spitting up of blood and in a very short time passed into eternity, and was buried in the cemetery of this city" 2) 1797 Nov 29, age 24, cause of death = fever (febbre): "Bavo Kniafief ungarese soldato del Regimento Arciduca Antonio di Sabate [?Labate?] S. nella notte antecedente nell' ospitale oltre il donte [?ponte?] passo all eternita, e fu sepolto nel luogo solito." Translation?: "Bavo Kniafief, Hungarian soldier of the Regiment of Archduke Anton of Saturdays [?] S. died during the preceding night in the hospital beyond the bridge?, passed into eternity, and was buried in the usual place." 3) 1797 Dec. 8, age 24, cause of death = fever (especially hard to read): "Larunz Pimon loon Prighndin di ungaria soldato del Regimento Arciduca Antonio mori improvisamente nell' ospitale il ponta in questo mane, ed oggi fu sepolto." Translation?: "Larunz Pimon loon Prighndin of Hungary, soldier of the Regiment of Archduke Anton died suddenly in the hospital beyond the bridge in this morning, and today was buried." All of these were in the records for Arco, Trento, (currently in) Italy. - Elaine

JULIE, YOU CERTAINLY HIT THE JACKPOT FOR ME. NEW STREET WAS ABOUT 2 STREETS OVER FROM WHERE I LIVED AS A KID! I CAN'T BEGIN TO TELL YOU HOW MANY BLANKS YOU HAVE FILLED IN!!!! I KNOW WHERE THE SALOON WAS. I'M A BIT CONFUSED, ALSO, ABOUT THE DONOVAN/ETHEL REMAK NOTATIONS. ETHEL WAS A BIT OF A 'PIONEER" FOR THOSE DAYS AND A VERY SUCCESSFUL MERCHANT. IN MANY WAYS, SHE WAS "AUNTIE MAME". I'LL LET YOU KNOW. MANY THANKS. LOU Julie & Kevin writes: > > Hello , > Remak , John born Feb 1871 married 1889 in Hungary came to USA 1890 > Lizzie Feb 1873 " " " " > " " " 1891 > Ethel Apr 1891 born in Hungary > arrived USA 1895 > Julia July 1895 ' ' New Jersey > John July 1898 ' ' New Jersey after > June 12 ,1898 From the 1900 New Jersey census sheet 3-A ;ED 71 ; NJ , > Middlesex, Woodbury , Carteret Township taken June 12, 1900 Lines 33-37 > > From 1910 census add Paul born 1901 New Jersey > Joseph 1903 " " > Pauline Mar 1910 N .J. > > From 1910 census sheet 210-A ; ED 53 ; April 27,1910 NJ , Middlesex, > Woodbury > Remak John age 33, 1st marriage 12yrs ; (1898) arrived 1869 in USA > hotel proprietor > Bertha 31 " " " " " > " 1897 " " > John 11 born N J > Stephen 9 " " > Lena 7 " " ******* NOTE below > Margaret 3 " ' > Emma 6/12 born Nov 1909 in NJ > > From 1930 census Sheet 13-B , ED 12-145 ; April 28-29 , 1930 ;NJ > Middlesex, Woodbury > Remak, John owns home value $20000 age 52 ; m 20 ; arrived in USA > 1896 Proprietor Restaurant > Bertha ................................ 51 > m 19; " " " 1892 > John jr .................................. 31 > single born N J painter in furniture factory > Stephen .................................... 29 > " ( born Mar 3, 1901 Died Apr 1976) works in lumber > Edward J ....................................... 18 > " " 1912 Painter apprentice Furniture factory > Mary ......................................... 15 > " Born NJ > Elizabeth ........................................... 12 > " ' " > Irene ................................................... 10 > " " " > Found in Ancestry under name "Renick" > ******* NOTE Lena was Helen Bertha Born Jan 23 , 1903 died July 2, > 1994 as Helen Bertha (Remak) Farr in Defiance Ohio > > From 1900 census sheet 28-B , ED 52 ; NJ Middlesex , Perth Amboy ; > June 15 1900 > Remak , John Born May 1852 ; age 48 single ; from Hungary arrived > 1891 here 9 yrs an alien ; a border > > > From 1930 census sheet 4-B ; ED 12-6 ; April 4 , 1930 ; NJ , Middlesex , > Carteret Borough > NOTE : this one is hard to understand ....... > an Ethel Remak living with a brothers & sisters & Mom in Carteret , > Middlesex New Jersey . Here we go > Donavan , John head ; age 34, ( 1896) ,single; born NJ > Anna Mother " 46 wd from Czech Magyar arrived 1901 > there are 3 more brothers & 1 sister all named Donovan then > Ethel Remak ,age 38 single; sister to this family born in Czech ... > Magyar arrived in USA 1896 na ; a merchant in ?? > shop > > Military registrations ; > John Remak born Jan 8 1877 in Hungary ; Saloon keeper Looks like Bertha > Turk Remak wife . Med height ; stout build ; eyes dark ; hair black lives @ > 12 New street Woodbridge , Middlesex NJ signed Sept 12, 1918 > > John Joseph Remak 12 New St , Woodbridge , Middlesex NJ ; born Dec 17, > 1898 ; in NJ ; Grainer Steel Equipment for Hormel co; One person who will > know where you are ; John Remak ( father) 12 New St , > Height short; build med ; eyes brown ck . signed Sept ?? 1918 > > That is about it . > Julie B in NC > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of dr.barsi > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 7:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HUNGARY] REMAK FAMILY OF NEW JERSEY > > > Margaret & Michael Paull writes: > >> My residence is about one town away from Woodbridge, N. J. Is there >> any other background information that might be helpful? It is easier >> to help when one knows as much as possible. >> >> Margaret Paull, Metuchen, N. J., very close to Woodbridge, N. J. > > Good, Evening, Margaret, > > I've been to Metuchen a number of times although, not recently. > > The Remak family were very good people but extremely recretive.I'm > attempting to determine if either JULIA or ETHEL REMAK was my Mmgrandmother. > > Any information about either would be appreciated. These two individuals > were children of John and Lizzie. I would like to know if John and Bertha > had daughters named Ethel or Julia. > > I would also like to know in what way these two families were related--if at > > all. > > Any information would be appreciated. Thank you. Lou Barsi >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of dr.barsi >> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 3:19 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [HUNGARY] REMAK FAMILY OF NEW JERSEY >> >> >> Good Afternoon, Listers, >> >> I'm looking for any information regarding the REMAK families of >> Middlesex County, New Jersey. >> >> 1.) JOHN and BERTHA REMAK and their children and parents. >> >> 2.) JOHN and LIZZIE REMAK and their parents. >> >> 3.) JULIA REMAK, born about 1895/1896 in Woodbridge, NJ. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Lou Barsi >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

DEAR MARGARET, YES, PLEASE! I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THIS JOHN REMAK IN PERTH AMBOY IS, BUT YOU MAY HAVE DISCOVERED A NEW RELATIVE. IF HE WAS MARRIED, I WOULD THINK A GGRANDFATHER! THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LOU Margaret & Michael Paull writes: > Later this afternoon I will have information about the people you are > interested in. One of the persons I found was a John Remak, born in 1852, > immigrated 1891, was single and lived in the city where I was born, Perth > Amboy, N. J. which is very close to Woodbridge and my town of Metuchen. This > was from the 1900 Census. There was a George Hudak on it also, age 45 and > that happens to be my maiden name. It is no relation. There are some forms > that I can email from Ancestry.com if you like. > > Margaret Paull, Metuchen, NJ > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of dr.barsi > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 7:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HUNGARY] REMAK FAMILY OF NEW JERSEY > > > Margaret & Michael Paull writes: > >> My residence is about one town away from Woodbridge, N. J. Is there any >> other background information that might be helpful? It is easier to help >> when one knows as much as possible. >> >> Margaret Paull, Metuchen, N. J., very close to Woodbridge, N. J. > > Good, Evening, Margaret, > > I've been to Metuchen a number of times although, not recently. > > The Remak family were very good people but extremely recretive.I'm > attempting to determine if either JULIA or ETHEL REMAK was my Mmgrandmother. > Any information about either would be appreciated. These two individuals > were children of John and Lizzie. I would like to know if John and Bertha > had daughters named Ethel or Julia. > > I would also like to know in what way these two families were related--if at > all. > > Any information would be appreciated. Thank you. Lou Barsi >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of dr.barsi >> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 3:19 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [HUNGARY] REMAK FAMILY OF NEW JERSEY >> >> >> Good Afternoon, Listers, >> >> I'm looking for any information regarding the REMAK families of Middlesex >> County, New Jersey. >> >> 1.) JOHN and BERTHA REMAK and their children and parents. >> >> 2.) JOHN and LIZZIE REMAK and their parents. >> >> 3.) JULIA REMAK, born about 1895/1896 in Woodbridge, NJ. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Lou Barsi >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI, JULIE AND KEVIN, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO STUDY THESE, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE DISCOVERED A MISSING PART OF MY FAMILY! THANK YOU. LOU Julie & Kevin writes: > > Hello Lou, > Is this what you are after??? > from the 1930 census Pa , Allegheny , Mc Keesport ward 1; Page 8-B ; > ED 2-666 ; April 9,1930 > Barsi, Joseph age 42 , married @ 23 ; from Hungary ; came 1911; laborer > , rolling mill > " Esther ..........40, " ' 21; " " > " " Maid house work > " Louis ......... 17 single born Ohio > ............................................................................ > ....... > " Joseph ......... 13 " " PA > ............................................................................ > ............ > " Rose .............12 " " > PA.......................................................................... > ....... > > There were 4 Julia Barsi none matched in any way > Julie B in NC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of dr.barsi > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 3:19 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [HUNGARY] REMAK FAMILY OF NEW JERSEY > > > Good Afternoon, Listers, > > I'm looking for any information regarding the REMAK families of Middlesex > County, New Jersey. > > 1.) JOHN and BERTHA REMAK and their children and parents. > > 2.) JOHN and LIZZIE REMAK and their parents. > > 3.) JULIA REMAK, born about 1895/1896 in Woodbridge, NJ. > > Thank you. > > Lou Barsi > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No question about it, Elaine, those Hungarian soldiers were part of the troops of the Austrian Empire serving in this region. I have spent last night reading upon the 'Napoleonic Wars' and 'Italian campaign' to find relevant information on the unit mentioned and the people involved in the Trentino region. One resource would be this site: http://www.napoleon-series.org/ Found also plenty of Hungarian references which even mention how some citizens in Trento (when met by the French troops) who happened to be of Hungarian origin, promised security and safe living ... alas it was all in Hungarian. Since the specific date you mention for those soldiers' death (1797) I could not find relevant data showing which units were doing what around there; and visited so many web sites I lost some of them! :-( Since none of us are scholars of any 'renown', we have to rely on the Internet to dig up some of this history also. Well, not too likely any of those soldiers had families of their own if they were as young as you indicated, but I'm sure researchers of collateral lines will have a hard time locating those death records! :-) And yes, you could have some Hungarian blood running in your veins even from that part of the world! :-) Joe Equinunk, PA - USA [email protected] Elaine Evans wrote: >I was researching the OTHER side of my family the other day. They are from, >well, now it's in northern Italy, but it used to be a part of Austria. I >was looking at the death records from around 1800 for Arco, in Trento, >Italy. It is at the northern end of Lake Garda, at the southern edge of the >Alps. > >I was surprised to find about 5 or so deaths of Hungarian soldiers around >that time there in the south Tyrol. Also 1 soldier from Moravia and one >from I believe it said Bosnia. Googling around and checking Wikipedia, I see >that Napoleon was invading Italy and Austria around that time. > >The handwriting from that time is very hard to read. I selected one of the >more legible entries for a Hungarian soldier and I will post it here. >Unfortunately, there was no information as far as where he was born or where >he lived. I have no idea how researchers today would find these death >records of their soldier ancestors so far from home: > >"1797, Nov. 9: Adamo Pruchma, ungarese, e soldato del Regimento Arciduca >Antonio ... fu sepolto nel Cimitero dell' insigne Collegiata d'Arco". He >was 22 years old, and no cause of death was listed. I skipped (with ...) >the section where it lists all the sacraments he received. Running this >thru freetranslation.com , I think this translates to something like: >"Nov 9, 1797: Adam Pruchma, Hungarian, and soldier of the Regiment of >Archduke Anton ... was buried in the Cemetery of the famous Collegiata of >Arco." > >The Collegiata is, I think, the largest church in the area. > >Does someone have a better understanding of the history of those times than >I do? Did Hungary provide troups to help protect the Austrian lands? And >they were sent all the way to to the south Tyrol? (Can I possibly be part >Hungarian on my Italian side?) > >- Elaine >