In a message dated 8/1/2010 3:24:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tiszadada@comcast.net writes: Sorry to be Johnny come lately on this, but I want to thank you Marika for the Military information! Sharon Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:21:58 EDT From: MLPecsi@aol.com Subject: [HUNGARY] Hungarian Military history, documents, etc. To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <b0fc4.2ac87769.39817ae6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Someone just sent me this Slovakia research site with Hungarian contents relative to the Military. _http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ahm.html_ ,,,,,(_http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ahm.html_ (http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ahm.html) ) You are welcome Sharon. I decided to look into the site once more and was diverted to another page called The Occurrence of Magyar Surnames in Stropkov. This is a wonderful site including (towards the bottom) lists of names/name variances/church info alongside the name. Also, a section gives Hungarian books for surname research (maybe some are on Google?). Stropkov is Upper Zemplin. Marika

The San Francisco Sunday Call 1907 What Are Our Immigrants Worth In Dollars And Cents By: Robert WATCHORN Commissioner Of Immigration Public opinion is all wrong, or nearly so, upon many phases of the immigration question. With more than a million immigrants a year we cannot supply the urgent demands for labor. The menace of pauper immigrants is a myth. This army of workers adds enormously to the wealth and prosperity of the country. It is not the scum of Europe we are getting, but the pick of the most earnest and hardworking of its population. As to the morality of the immigrants of today, it seems to me that it compares favorably with that of our native born population. This is not a matter of mere opinion or sentiment. It is borne out by the actual statistics. Mr. Reeves' figures, it seems to me, in some respects understate the facts. He mentions $300 a year as the earning power of these immigrants. As a matter of fact these men will earn more, on the average, than a dollar a day. I think the figure may safely be increased by at least 50 per cent. Within a few days Charles W. LORHN, the New York state commissioner of labor, came to me in search of men I could not supply. He estimated that New York state alone needed 100,000 men, to whom he would pay $25 a month and board on the farms alone. Now, that does not look much like overcrowding or the impossibility of assimilating we hear so much about. Of the million, or, to be exact, the 1,004,756, immigrants last year more than 10 per cent were under 14 years, 4 per cent were over the age limit and a great proportion brought their wives. About 50 per cent may be classed as workers. But in another sense they were all workers. There were no idlers, scarcely one who would shirk his duty. And as to their morality, the average is certainly good. These immigrants are placed upon a probation for three years. Should they get into trouble in this time they are liable to be deported. Last year there were for all causes less than 1,200 deported. I question if our native born population can show a better record. The modern immigrant of today, it seems to me, is greatly misunderstood. We hear a great deal of talk about the menace of the immigrant from the south of Europe. A few decades ago most of the immigrants came from Ireland, while Germany ranked second and Great Britain third. Italy and Russia sent comparatively few. Today the situation is practically reversed. Last year we received 267,000 from Italy, 192,000 from Russia and but 24,000 from Ireland and 30,000 from Germany. From Austria and Hungary some 292,000 reached our shores. It is unfair to say that the north of Europe is no longer represented. But are the immigrants from the southern countries dangerous or undesirable? The statistics of crime do not prove it. The Italian is a hard worker. We should remember that the Latin people were highly civilized when the north of Europe was peopled with savages. The southern countries may not have progressed of late, but the impulse is still there, and with unlimited opportunities of America before them who can tell what they may not accomplish in the future? A great deal of the misunderstanding is due to the use of that term pauper labor. I have estimated that every immigrant in coming to America spends on an average from $80 to $100 for transportation. This includes his fare from his home to the point of departure, the crossing of the Atlantic and the railroad fare to his destination. In other words, they spend upward of $100,000,000 a year in search of work. Let us suppose for the sake of argument that Russia suddenly held out great opportunities for money making so that Americans by the millions were attracted there. It seems to me that 1,000,000 native born citizens might have some difficulty in raising $100,000,000 for transportation. And in addition, this army of incomers carried with them more than $20,000,000 in cash. There is of course urgent need of the restriction of immigration, but such restriction is already in force. The laws governing the situation are very rigid; they have been devised by intelligent men, familiar with the situation, working in sympathy with these people as well as in the best interests of the country. And the laws are being enforced. As the need for further restriction occurs it will receive due attention. Meanwhile the demand for laborers throughout the country is very urgent. The immigrants are adding hundreds of millions of dollars to the wealth of America, while they help themselves to a broader and more prosperous life.

The San Francisco Sunday Call 1907 What Are Our Immigrants Worth In Dollars And Cents Nativity Of Immigrants 1906 1850 Austria-Hungary 292,000 --------------- Italy 267,000 500 Russia and Poland 192,000 1,300 Great Britain 80,000 10,000 Scandinavia 35,000 5,000 Germany 31,000 20,000 Ireland 24,000 34,000 Tales of murder, arson, blackmail and more horrifying crimes are clogging the newspapers nowadays. And with them comes again the ever new and ever old question, "Are the immigrant hordes that pour into America to blame?" Police Commissioner BINGHAM of New York outspokenly lays at the door of the immigrant the responsibility for the late outbreak of unspeakable crimes against little girls, and for this he has been harshly criticised in some quarters. In other circles there is in progress again a serious discussion as to the advisability of curbing the immigration flood. All of this leads up to the question of the immigrant, his value or his menace and his position in the social machine. The Sunday Call herewith presents a new light on the problem, "What are the immigrants worth in dollars and cents?" By Sidney A. REEVES Former Professor of Steam and Hydraulic Engineering at Worcester Polytechnic Institute and Lecturer at Harvard Current conversation and the periodical press are full of condemnation of our lax restriction of immigration. All the evils to which our country is heir are explained by the "undesirable horde" of aliens which is pressing into the land with ever increasing volume. The steady increase in criminality which has now become unquestioned is attributed to this "overflow" of the undesirable from the older countries, and these countries are accused of collusion with the steamship companies toward a promotion of the volume of migration. That portion of our citizens which is interested in the labor market is in chronic rebellion against this influx of cheap labor, destined to compete upon an un-American basis with American labor. Those of us who are interested in purity of politics see in the inflowing torrent a current supply of corruptibles upon whose votes, political machines may be reared and supported. Upon every side arises this denunciation of immigration. Nor is it a recent phenomenon. Look up the literature of immigration and you will find the decade of 1840-1850 supplying its fair quota of "kicks" in goodly proportion to what our increased population puts forth today. For 60 years we, as a nation, regardless of whether our continent yet contained undeveloped territory, as in 1847, or undeveloped possibilities, as in 1907, have been objecting strenuously to immigration. Meanwhile the immigration has been steadily increasing, except during the period of the civil war, and at the end of the 60 years we enjoy phenomenal prosperity. There is an inconsistency here somewhere between the theories of the pessimists and the facts, and a big one, too. What are the facts? As to criminality, we can find none supporting the theory that in general immigration is of a criminal sort. Here and there may be found minor facts and figures on that side, it is true. The southern Italians, without question, are unusually illiterate and addicted to the settlement of differences by stiletto. So, too, are the mountaineers of American Tennesee. We even identify the Italians roughly with the Black Hand system of blackmail. The southern Italians are but a small fraction of all immigration; the class of crimes to which they are prone is a minor one in our criminal records; the blackmail extorted by the Black Hand is but a drop in the bucket compared with the volume of extortion currently practiced by American businessmen, within and without the law, against American born victims. Viewing the situation broadly, there is no decisive evidence pointing to the criminality of the average immigrant. There is much pointing to his superiority over the average native American in industry, sobriety and the patient toleration of adverse conditions without a break. Indeed, the most decided evidence on this point comes from Great Britain, which country complains that all of her immigrants the Americans are the most criminal, being three or four times as bad as the average of the rest and 10 times as bad as the Poles and Hungarians! We do not conclude from this too hastily that America is ultra criminal. But we quote it to signify that he who seeks statistical support for anti-immigration views, doing it in sincerity and breadth, is apt to meet with sour comfort. Our own conclusions are that the vast majority of immigrants are slightly above our American standards in industry, sobriety and patient self-restraint, though they are undoubtedly below us in initiative. They come from countries where unceasing toil is the price of life and where the get rich quick microbe is virtually unknown. In their fatherlands, drunkenneess is a minor crime, whereas in Great Britain and America it is a major one. And as to patience under conditions inviting to revolt, America is proud of standing first among all the non-Lation peoples of the temperate zones in her promptness to resent publicly, by the passive rebellion of the strike, if not by actual violence, the presence of conditions unnecessarily hard. Our complaint against the immigrants must be that they are too patient and submissive for American standards, rather than that they are too violent and resentful. As to illiteracy, it is true that the immigrants are below our standard. What of it? Education is a thing of itself, neither conducive to nor antagonistic to morality and happiness. It may be a powerful tool to both. But it is often used as an equally powerful tool against both. Our educated classes are not always the happiest ones. Our worst and biggest crooks are the educated ones. In short, a man is of value to a country solely according to whether he produces more, of material or of morality, than he consumes. He may produce very little, yet if his wants are less than that little he is still a profitable investment for the nation. He may, on the other hand, apparently produce millions; yet if he consumes more than that, or if he undermines our standards of morality, or if he is found to produce actually much less than he apparently produces, he may be a great source of loss, in spite of his prominence and power. The people understand this well. It is their habitual application of this new economic trysquare to men in the public eye which is now making millionaireism so uncomfortable. To which class, then, belongs the average immigrant? Is he a producer or a dissipator of net wealth and morality? If the former, what is our immigration worth, net, to the nation? Our answer, it must be explained, is based upon economic principles which are laid down in the writer's "Cost of Competition." The distinction between the net productive and the net dissipative classes is there portrayed with accuracy. It is too bulky to be more than suggested here. But once in mind it makes it obvious that the vast majority of immigrants belongs to the net productive class. Indeed, they belong to the most productive class. They not only confine their efforts to purely productive lines, wasting very little time in bargaining over prices or ownership of property, but they do not discount their worth, as do many American born producers, by indulgences in labor tyranny. The walking delegate is essentially an Americanism. What, collectively, are these immigrants worth to us as a nation? The law says that a dead male adult constitutes a loss of $5,000 to his family. In this it strikes a rough average and draws no distinction of any sort between individuals. So it is hard to get at it in that way. The average adult male immigrant (and half of our immigrants are of this sort) earns at least $300 per annum soon after his arrival. Rather, that is what he is paid. My estimates had led me to state, elsewhere, that his actual productivity is from three to four times that amount, the balance going to pay the cost of doing "business" with what he produces and consumes. But the benefit of this doubt will be left, for the present, to the opposition. We shall base our estimates upon the $300 figure. The right will be reserved, however, to class all immigrants under this figure, for the majority of them have been here long enough to expand their income beyond $300. That is to say, most of those who were classed as children at the time of entry are now adults. Of the women, some are offset in their unproductivity by the men who earn more than $300; the rest are producing more than that value in the form of children. During the last 20 years some sixteen or seventeen million immigrants have arrived. The exact figure does not matter, for all we wish is an estimate of the number now alive and working, and many who came before 1887 are that. If these people are producing an average of $300 worth of goods and children apiece their current productivity is now five billion dollars per annum. This is two hundred times as much as our new automobiles cost us last year. This enormous fund of current income we should have lost had we rigidly excluded immigration in 1887. It is some such sum as this which we are losing each year that we continue our exclusion of the oriental races. How much capital do these immigrants embody, not in their pockets or bank accounts, but in their strength of body and character? Assume that out of the 17,000,000 aliens arrived since 1887, 10,000,000 are now adult males. For each one of these that you kill his family can collect from you, by law, $5,000. He must be worth at least half that. That is to say, we have got from Europe during the last two decades, for nothing, a working machine which capitalizes at from twenty-five to fifty billion! This figure agrees fairly well with our estimates of the annual productivity of this great human machine. But this exactness of the figures does not matter. It is plain that, however they may be modified in detail, they will still remain enormous. Our crops have certainly been enormous of recent years, but it has already become plain that they cannot stand alone as an explanation of our remarkable prosperity. We not only grow hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of corn, wheat and cotton; at the cost of much labor, each year, but we also imbibe with another continent, without a cent of cost to ourselves, upward of a billion dollars' worth of human livestock per annum. This last statement is based upon the supposition that the average value of an immigrant, including the minority of females and boys, is only $1,000 at the time of entry. And certainly, when we recall the average price of a sound negro slave in the days before the war, in such a condition would pass our immigration inspectors, and allow for the greater efficiency of the modern industrial organization over the plantation gang of negroes fresh from mid Africa, this figure of $1,000 apiece is moderate. We do not hesitate to assign a solid value to every other form of livestock which the land needs for its working. Why should not our immigrants be figured as a similar asset? The immigration officials lost a fine chance to be human when they failed to christen "Welcome!" the ferry boat which plies between Ellis Island and the Battery, and which waves the American flag for the first time above most of these homeless ones. The name should have been emblazoned on the boat in every language known to Europe. It would have taken considerable altruism, considerable height and breadth of thought, considerable courageous disregard of prevailing phariseeism, to have done this. It was hardly to be expected that mere men should have risen to such a height. And yet, had it been done, should we not have had it to look upon the deed a little shamefacedly? More than a billion of good exploitable capital, capable of producing a current income of a fifth of that sum each year, coning into the country each year for nothing, and we have the courage to stand up and say "Welcome!" openly? Indeed not! We know our own dignity too well for that! Let us continue to insist that it is as a favor that we condescend to accept it.

Here is the Hungarian Military Records site you requested: _http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ahm.html_ (http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ahm.html)

To all: I missed the address for Austria-Hungary military records.please help Thank you Andy Zaleczky...

hi sue, You hit the nail on the head.. my family moved to the east side, I went to IU and live in Michigan.... your description was very accurate (I am just cleaning up old emails and yours was one I decided to keep. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: <kahluasue@aol.com> To: <hungary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 6:57 PM Subject: [HUNGARY] Familiar Hungarian surnames > > > "I look at some of these Hungarian surnames and they are so familiar to > me. " > > > I feel the same way reading this board. I grew up in South Bend, IN, > where the large Polish community was the dominant ethnic group. I was > also raised Protestant (my parents had a "mixed" marriage) rather than > Catholic like many of my classmates. It wasn't until I began my genealogy > research that I realized how many Hungarians there actually were in South > Bend as I began seeing so many familiar surnames. > > > Someone asked a few weeks ago what had happened to the Hungarian community > in South Bend. The original immigrants mostly lived on the west or > southwest side of town near St. Stephen's Catholic Church and the Oliver > Company plant. The Oliver Company actively recruited workers in western > Hungary in the 1890s and early 1900s. After World War II, many of the > returning soldiers went to work for the Studebaker plant in town, bought > cars and moved their families to newer neighborhoods elsewhere in town. > When the Studebaker plant closed in the mid-60's, some men were able to > find jobs elsewhere in town, but others were forced to relocate to places > like Flint, MI, where they could find manufacturing jobs. They also > recognized the value of a college education, so they sent their children > to college when they could manage. Many of those children didn't return > to South Bend after college. They went to Indiana U. or Purdue and then > found jobs in Indianapolis after graduation. The! > Polish community dispersed in the same way. There are still many > Hungarian and Polish families in the South Bend area, but the old > tight-knit ethnic communities are gone. > > > Sue Straw > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > HUNGARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

In a message dated 7/29/2010 1:56:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mtkotsay@comcast.net writes: Marika, I can't thank you enough for sharing the website that has Austria-Hungary military records. It gives me a fresh start for locating my GGGF, circa 1840's. I hope this lead pays off. One never knows where it will lead. Sharing information is such a treasure trove. And this is why I love this list! Best regards, Timothy Kotsay You are quite welcome Timothy. Now, if only someone could find the old military site that was available in the early years of our List. The site gave military names by village, including parent names. For some reason the site was taken down. Marika

Without, Nick, beeing able to see the full article (and list of abbreviations) it makes only 'partial' sense. 'Language Arts and Literatrure Publications' - looks like - is/was produced by the Romanian Academy of Sciences, specifcally to analyze and interpret the (old) Hungarian language and literature. From the snipet google books released about this 1986 publication, they list a bunch of names for certain places: Nyiros is a place, Orbik árka seem to be also ('árka' meaning ditch), heading toward Zsákod, an other place. Ódal means page the way it was written back in 1755 I guess; nowadays it is spelled as oldal. What specific expression was your cousin looking for? Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@verizon.net Nick M. Gombash wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >I have a tough one here. A Polish cousin of mine emailed me for help with something he found in a book on Google Books.. it's in Hungarian and I can't understand what it means. Specifically the word "árka". > >The book is "Nyelv-és Irodalomtudományi Közlemények". Any idea what the title means? Here is the excerpt that he is interested in: > >"1755: A Nyirosba (sz). 247. Orbik árka (á, p, Zsákod felé). 248. ódal (ritk., sz)." > >Any ideas to what any of it means would be great. Thanks for the help! > >Nick Gombash >

Thank you Les! -----Original Message----- From: hungary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hungary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Laszlo (Les) Josa Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:33 PM To: hungary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HUNGARY] Hungarian Military history, documents, etc. Judy, here is that post. http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ahm.html Laszlo (Les) Josa -----Original Message----- From: hungary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hungary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MLPecsi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:22 AM To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HUNGARY] Hungarian Military history, documents, etc. Someone just sent me this Slovakia research site with Hungarian contents relative to the Military. _http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ahm.html _ (http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ahm.html ) Marika ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNGARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNGARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nick, do not have the time right now but I do have the translation for the title from google translate "Language and Literature Announcements" Laszlo (Les) Josa -----Original Message----- From: hungary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hungary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick M. GombashSent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:25 PM To: hungary@rootsweb.com Subject: [HUNGARY] Translation Help from Book Hi Everyone, I have a tough one here. A Polish cousin of mine emailed me for help with something he found in a book on Google Books.. it's in Hungarian and I can't understand what it means. Specifically the word "árka". The book is "Nyelv-és Irodalomtudományi Közlemények". Any idea what the title means? Here is the excerpt that he is interested in: "1755: A Nyirosba (sz). 247. Orbik árka (á, p, Zsákod felé). 248. ódal (ritk., sz)." Any ideas to what any of it means would be great. Thanks for the help! Nick Gombash ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNGARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy, here is that post. http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ahm.html Laszlo (Les) Josa -----Original Message----- From: hungary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hungary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MLPecsi@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:22 AM To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HUNGARY] Hungarian Military history, documents, etc. Someone just sent me this Slovakia research site with Hungarian contents relative to the Military. _http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ahm.html _ (http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ahm.html ) Marika ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNGARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I must have missed that posting. Would you be kind enough to send me that address for the website. Thanks! Judy -----Original Message----- From: hungary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hungary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Kotsay Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:56 PM To: HUNGARY-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Timothy Kotsay Subject: [HUNGARY] Hungarian Military Records Marika, I can't thank you enough for sharing the website that has Austria-Hungary military records. It gives me a fresh start for locating my GGGF, circa 1840's. I hope this lead pays off. One never knows where it will lead. Sharing information is such a treasure trove. And this is why I love this list! Best regards, Timothy Kotsay ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNGARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Everyone, I have a tough one here. A Polish cousin of mine emailed me for help with something he found in a book on Google Books.. it's in Hungarian and I can't understand what it means. Specifically the word "árka". The book is "Nyelv-és Irodalomtudományi Közlemények". Any idea what the title means? Here is the excerpt that he is interested in: "1755: A Nyirosba (sz). 247. Orbik árka (á, p, Zsákod felé). 248. ódal (ritk., sz)." Any ideas to what any of it means would be great. Thanks for the help! Nick Gombash

Marika, I can't thank you enough for sharing the website that has Austria-Hungary military records. It gives me a fresh start for locating my GGGF, circa 1840's. I hope this lead pays off. One never knows where it will lead. Sharing information is such a treasure trove. And this is why I love this list! Best regards, Timothy Kotsay

Cheryl, thank you for the great pictorial history. Laszlo (Les) Josa -----Original Message----- From: hungary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:hungary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Wenberg Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:45 AM To: hungary@rootsweb.com Cc: inlake@rootsweb.com Subject: [HUNGARY] America in color 1939-1943 Must See Got this great email from one of my "email pals" America in color 1939-1943 Must See These are wonderful. When you finish go to the bottom and click on Russia Photos Pre-Revolution and then go to U.S. Cities before 1950. I have been to Pie Town New Mex. I can not imagine how anyone could eak out a living there at anytime. Think America hasn't seen destruction. Look at the civil war city photos. Check out the electric trolley in 1899. Notice no overhead wires or 3RD rail electrical source. These were self contained battery powered and were only economically feasible for about 2 or 3 years. I just did some research on this. This came from 2 brothers after they saw electric cabs starting in about 1894. Very quickly "Big Money" picked up on this and put in "fixed" electric sources which also gets into the "Politics" of granting routes, city hall co-operation etc. and drives the "Little Guy" I.E. competition out of business. When I got into this I was much impressed with how good the battery technology was and how powerful the systems were. They had "NICKEL HYDR! IDE" batteries for much more money. A guy named Woodson also built a "HYBRID" gas-electric for 2 years in about 1904. Notice the latter photo I think was 1900 or 04 showing trolley with 3RD rail electric source as became the norm through out the land. Point of all this: shows the quality and efficacy of electric propulsion over 100 years ago but, in the end it can not survive the "Economic Efficiency" of carbon propulsion. When it comes to cars both Then and Now the cost differrential remains about equal. Initial purchase for everyday people is about a 3 to 1 ratio and for luxury 4-5 to one more expensive for the electric variant. Moving along Al Capone may have been a "Bad Guy" but, I admire him for feeding the poor during the depression...a touching photo. The Indian dwelling in the middle of Albuqurque in 1912 is a staement unto itself. The color photo of the gas station in Louisiana is an "Exact" may indeed be the same station in the little strip of land in front of Loon Lake Mississippi. This is actually a part of Lulu-Moon area and was formerly a play ground on clubs built over the water of nearby Loon Lake in the early part of the last century for people out of New Orleans who would go there to beat the summer heat before the advent of air conditioning. I have beebn to this place and I have seen this photo on the net before and I could swear it is the same gas station that exists today. if you think the out side is "Cool" you should see the inside. This is about 5 miles down the road from the famous "Robert Johnson Pact With The Devil Intersection." Anyway these ar both beautiful and educational. My what we can learn if we just "Slow Down" and breath...... Subject: America in color 1939-1943 You are going to love this: http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2010/07/26/captured-america-in-color-fr om-1939-1943/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNGARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Got this great email from one of my "email pals" America in color 1939-1943 Must See These are wonderful. When you finish go to the bottom and click on Russia Photos Pre-Revolution and then go to U.S. Cities before 1950. I have been to Pie Town New Mex. I can not imagine how anyone could eak out a living there at anytime. Think America hasn't seen destruction. Look at the civil war city photos. Check out the electric trolley in 1899. Notice no overhead wires or 3RD rail electrical source. These were self contained battery powered and were only economically feasible for about 2 or 3 years. I just did some research on this. This came from 2 brothers after they saw electric cabs starting in about 1894. Very quickly "Big Money" picked up on this and put in "fixed" electric sources which also gets into the "Politics" of granting routes, city hall co-operation etc. and drives the "Little Guy" I.E. competition out of business. When I got into this I was much impressed with how good the battery technology was and how powerful the systems were. They had "NICKEL HYDRIDE" batteries for much more money. A guy named Woodson also built a "HYBRID" gas-electric for 2 years in about 1904. Notice the latter photo I think was 1900 or 04 showing trolley with 3RD rail electric source as became the norm through out the land. Point of all this: shows the quality and efficacy of electric propulsion over 100 years ago but, in the end it can not survive the "Economic Efficiency" of carbon propulsion. When it comes to cars both Then and Now the cost differrential remains about equal. Initial purchase for everyday people is about a 3 to 1 ratio and for luxury 4-5 to one more expensive for the electric variant. Moving along Al Capone may have been a "Bad Guy" but, I admire him for feeding the poor during the depression...a touching photo. The Indian dwelling in the middle of Albuqurque in 1912 is a staement unto itself. The color photo of the gas station in Louisiana is an "Exact" may indeed be the same station in the little strip of land in front of Loon Lake Mississippi. This is actually a part of Lulu-Moon area and was formerly a play ground on clubs built over the water of nearby Loon Lake in the early part of the last century for people out of New Orleans who would go there to beat the summer heat before the advent of air conditioning. I have beebn to this place and I have seen this photo on the net before and I could swear it is the same gas station that exists today. if you think the out side is "Cool" you should see the inside. This is about 5 miles down the road from the famous "Robert Johnson Pact With The Devil Intersection." Anyway these ar both beautiful and educational. My what we can learn if we just "Slow Down" and breath...... Subject: America in color 1939-1943 You are going to love this: http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2010/07/26/captured-america-in-color-from-1939-1943/

It might be worth your while, Sharon, to poke around for such things; but don't keep your hopes high. The trade education system really started to bloom after the 1867 agreement with Austria. That's when the guilds were also better organized, to gain recognition for their members. Prior records of craftsmanship will be hard to find. Your second document is a 'Character voucher', to this day issued by the government for people who need them. Joe Equinunk, PA - USA jjarfas@verizon.net tiszadada@comcast.net wrote: >I'm wondering if they had trade certificates in the middle 1800's. My grandfather, Geza Bako had several and one for example was 16 Oct 1902 from Tiszalok stating that he was a black smith and allowed to work in the town of Tiszadada and he had documentation proving he was eligible to be engaged in his trade. Another was the next year that stated that he was recommended as a clean living, sober, diligent and good worker. I'm looking for something for his father, Daniel Bako who was a tailor in the town of Nagyhalasz. Would I most likely find this for Daniel (if one is available) in the Szabolcs Archives in Nyiregyhaza? >Sharon Dickson-Engelman >

Kedves Ilona, Edesanyam neve is Ilona. Koszonom a meghivast, szeretnek, de nem tudok eljonni, mert Europaban elek. Nagyapam, Somogyi Andras ket batyja, Somogyi Ferenc es Sandor meg 1909 es 1911-ben Cincinnatiba vandoroltak ki. En mar ca. 10 eve keresem Ferencet, de nincs szerencsem megtalalni oket. Van egy par kepem es reszletem es datumom eletukrol es el fogom kuldeni valakinek ezen a listan, aki igerte hogy gondolja hogy majd segiteni tud. I wish you a most beautiful 74th Hungarian Day and don't forget to let us know how everyone fared. Thank God for this very nice mailing list with its very kind and helpful members. Istennek Hala Svojanovsky Aliz --- On Tue, 27/7/10, Ilona <Ilona2@centurytel.net> wrote: From: Ilona <Ilona2@centurytel.net> Subject: [HUNGARY] 74th HUNGARIAN DAY IN LORAIN,OHIO To: "Hungary Rootsweb.Com" <hungary-l@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, 27 July, 2010, 5:37                ISTEN HOZOTT For everyone from Toledo to Hiram and anyone passing through. The 74th Hungarian Day  will take place Sunday August 1st at the St. Lad's Picnic Grounds on Clinton Ave., Lorain. Gates open at noon. The menu consists of chicken paprikas, schnitzel with dumplings,stuffed cabbage, cabbage/noodles, kolbasz,gulyas,langos. We also have a short program at 3p.m. We also have a great dance band from Akron, "The Hungarians". If you  want more info. feel free to contact me. Ilona2@centurytel.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUNGARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Cheryl, it certainly is an interesting site! Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:38:10 -0500 From: "Cheryl Wenberg" <cherlock@cheqnet.net> Subject: [HUNGARY] Interesting site To: <hungary@rootsweb.com> Cc: inlake@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <C52F8A69689340339583BA80F86940F5@CherylPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Found an interesting site! http://www.gjenvick.com/ "The future of our Past" cheryl

Someone just sent me this Slovakia research site with Hungarian contents relative to the Military. _http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ahm.html_ (http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/ahm.html) Marika