Hello all, bonjour, je vis en Belgique et suis à la recherche (en FRANCE) d'ancêtres HUGUENOTS du nom de : PERÉ, PERE, PEREE, PERREE, PERRÉE Who can help me ? Thanks to all of you Blanca Peré ----Original Message Follows---- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [HWE] Gaspard DE COLIGNY Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:22:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc1-f24.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.31]) by mc1-s20.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:26:12 -0800 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.39]) by mc1-f24.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:26:12 -0800 Received: (from [email protected])by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id hADMM9Ud006551;Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:22:09 -0700 X-Message-Info: 0jbW5ANosZIyVCuX/g6PBvj31Cns7uCk Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:22:09 -0700 X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Thu Nov 13 15:22:09 2003 X-Sent: 13 Nov 2003 22:22:17 GMT Old-To: [email protected] X-Sent-From: [email protected] X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <[email protected]> Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/5879 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Return-Path: [email protected] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2003 22:26:12.0355 (UTC) FILETIME=[24C78530:01C3AA35] Hello All, Now isn't this just what we all wonder at times ? When is a person a relative ? I shall attempt to shorten the situation for those of you who just came in to this discussion. Gaspard DE COLIGNY, the son of Gaspard DE COLGINY marries Charlotte DE LAVAL-MONTFORT and they have a tribe of children. These children would then be recorded as an anscestor if you happen to be related. But what is a relationship ? In most situations if your name is say DE COLGINY then your mother is very much a relative, well she is your mother. Now that is simple enough. And so we extend this line way back to Gaspard DE COLIGNY and so he is your umpteenth Grandfather. Again very simplistic genealogy. In some cases there is a second marriage and so what is the relationship between you and the second wife ? By blood, nil. By marrage, she is the wife of your Grandfather so many times removed. Now lets make this even more complicated. The second wife already has children. So what is the relationship between you and these children ? Some genealogy programs allow for the term "Step-Child" and so therefore they are step cousins or are they step something else to you ? And so listers we come to the topic of this subject. Gaspard DE COLIGNY dies 24th August, 1572. His wife passes away prior to him on 3rd of March, 1567. He "supposedly" marries a second time and so his natural children by Charlotte DE LAVAL now have a "Step-Mother", simply put, she is no relative to Gaspard descendents other than that, the second wife. And now folks for the really really biggie. Gaspard DE COLIGNY is recorded by some as having a second wife and no natural children with that union, or is there ? (Add information if you have documentation that indicates that there was a child of this union) And so Gaspard dies, this second wife reportedly "Adopts" a child after he, Gaspard, is long dead. What relation to you is this adopted child as he is, technically (ie by blood), not related to Gaspard DE COLIGNY at all ? Well how could he/she possibly be related to the DE COLIGNY family as the child does or at least did have a natural mother and father prior to being adopted by the second wife. So if the second wife is not related to you then surely the adopted child of the second wife is not even nearly related to you. Especially when the adopted child was adopted "after" the death of Gaspard DE COLIGNY. And so how can it be that a familly can claim the DE COLIGNY family as anscestors by way of the adopted child when there is no relationship between the adopted child and the DE COLIGNY line ? All clear as mud now ? I suppose one could place a note in the file that says that "I am related to the child who was adopted by the second wife of Gaspard DE COLIGNY after his death", which makes for some nice reading, but like many other historical points in all our genealogical research, that is all that it would be, a 'Remark' for future family members to delight in. Maybe I have a different understanding and some of you have another perspective on this topic, please go ahead and present your scenario for open discussion without any fear of ridicule or abuse from any listers. Discussion not damnation, please. Kind Regards, Peter Leroy ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== When posting to the HWE list: SURNAMES written in capitals, s'il vous plaît. Also, please specify dates and location, including country. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: votre e-mail gratuit ! http://www.fr.msn.be/hotmail