Hello list - I am posting the following summary of the status of my search for the origins of Jean SALE (m. 1719 in Wilhelmsdorf, Bayern; d. 1744 in WIlhelmsdorf). As you will see there are several possible trails, but nothing conclusive on any of them. If anyone has any suggestions for further inquiries, please let me know. Craig Sale Schaumburg, IL USA This is a summary of ongoing research into the ancestry of the SALE family as documented in the French-Reformed church books of Wilhelmsdorf and Erlangen in the former German state of Bayreuth and now in Mittelfranken, Bayern (Bavaria). The early history of this family is found in Section X. Additional proven variations of this name include Salé, Sales and LaSale. However the group of variants with which these names are associated is more extensive and diverse. The nine other sections present a chronological listing of families and individuals with such surnames, who have been found in the area of Mittelfranken. I. SALEN family from Balbouté in Pragela to Angermünde 1686-1710 1686 in OCT, List of people presently in Erlangen includes: “Jean SALEN, laboureur”1 Estat des personnes et families qui sont presentement dans la ville d’ Erlang. Oct. 1686. Source: Zur Geschichte der Colonisation und Industrie in Franken by Georg Schanz (1884) Item 8, page 18. Reference: Berzeichniß der Franzosen, welche im Oktober 1686 in Bayreuth, Bayersdorf, Erlang und Münchaurach untergebracht waren. Part III. * 1686 in the second half of October, Jean SALEN of Balbouté is in Münchaurach. Source: Photocopy from Stadtarchiv Erlangen Reference: Pragelaner in Erlangen 1686-1688 by Theo Kiefner * 1686 in October - Refugees sent by the Markgraf to Münchaurach Estat des refugiés envoyés par S. A. S. a Municaura (Münchaurach) “Laboureurs et peigneurs de chanvre Samuel PELLEIN et Jean SALE.”1 Source: Zur Geschichte der Colonisation und Industrie in Franken by Georg Schanz (1884) Item 8, page 20. Reference: Brezeichniß der Franzosen, welche im Oktober 1686 in Bayreuth, Bayersdorf, Erlang und Münchaurach untergebracht waren. Part IV (This is equivalent to the prior citation.) * 1686 on 22 NOV, Jean SALEN of Balbouté is in Frauenaurach. Source: Photocopy from Stadtarchiv Erlangen Reference: Pragelaner in Erlangen 1686-1688 by Theo Kiefner * 1691 SALEN from Balbouté is one family listed as settling a new community in Angermünde in Brandenburg, later part of Prussia. Source: LDS Film # 824133 Item 1 Reference: Geschichte der Franzosischen Kolonie in Brandenburg-Preußen, unter besonderer Berücksichtigung der Berliner Gemeinde by Ed. Muret (1885) * Entries for family of Jean SALEN and Madeline BUFFE in the Leiden collection. Births: Jaques (11 JAN 1695), Etienne (14 OCT 1697), David (24 JUN 1700), Armand and Pierre ( both 02 JUN 1703). Deaths: Jean (25 APR 1704, age 40), Armand (01 MAY 1704), Pierre (27 MAR 1710). Source: LDS Film # 199925 (Fiches Rusy-Salomé) Reference: Fiches op de Waalse registers,1500-1828 (Leiden) * Church records from Angermünde confirm all births beginning in 1695 (when the church records begin). Also includes death records for Jean SALEN “lecteur” , age 48 from “Balbouté/Pragela” on 25 APR 1704 and for Madelaine BUFFE “aus Angrogne Vallee Piemont”, age 40 on 10 APR 1708. Source: H. Hurtienne “retired Fr. pastor on duty” Schwedt/Oder Reference: Auzug aus dem Taufregister (or Sterberegister) der Evangelischen Kirchengemeinde Franz.-ref. in Angermünde * 1710 SALEN family entry in list of members of French-Reformed community in Angermünde. Cites Jean and Madeline as deceased. List of sons includes a Jean, age 17 (born 1693 – prior to extant church records), Jaques, Etienne, David and Pierre Source: LDS Film #1949481 Reference: Quelques Listes de Colonies 1709-1710 * Additional information: Aid disburserment records in Frankfurt include several entries for the same families from the Pragela with several variant spellings – SALE, SALEN, SALEIN, SALLEN. Source: LDS Films #341885, 341887, 341888 Reference: Unterstützungen an die Réfugien aus Frankreich, aus den Waldenser Gemeinden in Piemont, aus der Pfalz 1685-1855 * No records for SALEN continue in Angermünde after 1710. II. SALES – List of persons promising to settle in Bayreuth: Winter 1686 1686 “Jacques SALES d’Ales, ouvrier de rubans”1 Source: Zur Geschichte der Colonisation und Industrie in Franken by Georg Schanz (1884) Item 16, page 32. Reference: Eine Liste von Franzosen, die vermuthlich Cordier und du Roy im Winter 1686 engagirten. III. SALEIS – List of persons promising to settle in Bayreuth: Winter 1686 1686 “Sieur Henry SALEIS, moulinier en soye et ouvrier de rubans et taffetas. ”1 Source: Zur Geschichte der Colonisation und Industrie in Franken by Georg Schanz (1884) Item 16, page 33. Reference: Eine Liste von Franzosen, die vermuthlich Cordier und du Roy im Winter 1686 engagirten. IV. SALES – List of persons promising to settle in Bayreuth: Winter 1686, in Erlangen in 1697 and 1698. 1686 “Le Sieur SALES, facturier en layne du Vigan et maistre foulonneur”1 Source: Zur Geschichte der Colonisation und Industrie in Franken by Georg Schanz (1884) Item 16, page 32. Reference: Eine Liste von Franzosen, die vermuthlich Cordier und du Roy im Winter 1686 engagirten. * A listing of the manufacturing and business community in Erlangen circa 1697 “Allerley Wollen und Haarhüte….SALES qui a Soin du Foulon”1 Translation: Assorted Woolen and Hair (i.e. felt) Hats SALES who takes care of or “operates” the foulon, the term for an apparatus used in the manufacture of felt. Source: 300 Jahre Hugenottenstadt Erlangen: Vom Nutzen der Toleranz; Herausgegeben von Christopher Freiderich, page 172 (photograph). Reference: LISTA Der Erlangischen Manufacturen und Kauffmannschafften from the Staatsarchiv Bamberg. A certified photocopy has also been provided by the Staatsarchiv Bamberg. This document is also transcribed in Schanz as Item 32, page 82. * 1698 on 23 JUL, Residents of Neu-Erlangen Residence #14: “Dans la meson du sr. Joseph Munier,…David SALLE, facturier et foulonner, sa femme, un enfan, une servante et un peigneur;…”1 Source: Zur Geschichte der Colonisation und Industrie in Franken by Georg Schanz (1884) Item 39, page 89. Reference: Die auf Grund des vorstehenden Befehls gemachte Zusammenstellung der in Neu-Erlang befindlichen Häuser und der französischen deutschen Bewohner. (It seems probable that the 1698 and 1697 citations refer to the same person. The 1686 citation is also presumed to be relevant. Felt making was a somewhat less prevalent occupation.) * 1690-1700 This was a period of economic difficulty in Eralngen. Sixty entrepreneurs and craftsmen relocated to Wilhelmsdorf, among them very outstanding people like GELY and MEYRADIER. “Man weiß, daß Erlangen zwischen 1690 und 1700 eine wirtschaftlich schwierige Phase durchtmachte (Kredit- und Kapitalmangel). 60 Handwerker und Unternehmer verheißen die Stadt und gingen nach Wilhelmsdorf, unter ihnen sehr angesehene Leute wie Gely und Meyradier.” Source: Die Hugenotten 1685-1985; Herausgegeben von Rudolph von Thadden und Michelle Magdalene. Reference: “Refuge und Integration: Der Fall Erlangen” by Myriam Yardeni, page 152. V. SALENC – List of persons leaving Erlangen 1687/88 (Dated 05 JAN 1688) “2. Jean SALENC de St. Ipolite”1 Source: Zur Geschichte der Colonisation und Industrie in Franken by Georg Schanz (1884) Item 25, page 60 Reference: Berzeichniß der Personen, welche Erlangen 1687/88 verließen VI. SALÉNE – List of persons leaving Erlangen 1687/88 (Dated 05 JAN 1688) “22. SALÉNE d’Anduze”1 Source: Zur Geschichte der Colonisation und Industrie in Franken by Georg Schanz (1884) Item 25, page 60 Reference: Berzeichniß der Personen, welche Erlangen 1687/88 verließen VII. SALIE – List of persons leaving Erlangen 1687/88 (Dated 05 JAN 1688) “83. SALIE de Generalles”1 Source: Zur Geschichte der Colonisation und Industrie in Franken by Georg Schanz (1884) Item 25, page 61. Reference: Berzeichniß der Personen, welche Erlangen 1687/88 verließen. 5. Januar 1688. VIII. SALES in Schwabach 1700-1717 1700 on 20 NOV David SALES married Susanne VILLARET in Schwabach. Occupation: Tanner. Parents: Jean SALES and Isabeau DARNIEU. Origin: Sauve, Languedoc. Source: Deutsche Hugenotten-Gesellschaft e.V. Reference: Die Hugenotten-Kolonien in Franken and Kolonielisten by Wilhelm Beuleke * 1716 on 03 MAR an enumeration in Schwabach “David SALES, maître tanneur, sa femme, deux compagnons et un apprentif.” Source: Correspondence from Stadtarchiv Schwabach Reference: An unspecified transcription of the original census of the colony by Secretary Pommier And Source: Zur Geschichte der Colonisation und Industrie in Franken by Georg Schanz (1884) Item 137, page 298. Reference: Estat des families qui composent la colonie Françoise de Schwobach. Praes. 3. März 1716. * 1717 on 19 APR David SALES died in Schwabach. Source: Deutsche Hugenotten-Gesellschaft e.V. Reference: Die Hugenotten-Kolonien in Franken and Kolonielisten by Wilhelm Beuleke * Additional information: 1698 in September David SAL, a "taneur" from Sauve in Cevennes, is recorded in Morges, Switzerland. Source: LDS Film # 840625 Item 3 Reference: Les dénombrements généraux de réfugiés Huguenots au pays de Vaud et à Berne à la fin du XVII siècle by Emile Piquet IX. SALLE (SALLES) in Schwabach and Erlangen 1707-1712 1707 on 23 JUN Antoine SALLE (SALLES) married Margueite ANDRÉ. Occupation: Silkworker. Parents: Jean SALLE and Marguerite BLIS. Origin: Le Collet-de-Dèze, Gévaudan. 1707-1709 He lived in Schwabach. 1710-1712 He lived in Erlangen. Source: Deutsche Hugenotten-Gesellschaft e.V. Reference: Die Hugenotten-Kolonien in Franken and Kolonielisten by Wilhelm Beuleke X. SALES in Wilhelmsdorf 1719-1750, then to Erlangen Documented variations of this name in the Wilhelmsdorf church records include Sale, Sales and LaSale 1719 on 05 OCT Jean SALE married Marie Antoinette AVIENY in Wilhenmsdorf, Bayern After an unexplained gap of more than eight years, their known children are: 1728 on 15 FEB Jean Antoine LaSALE was born in Wilhelmsdorf 1730 on 13 JUL Marie SALE was born in Wilhelmsdorf 1735 on 21 MAR Jaques SALES was born in Wilhelmsdorf 1737 on 14 SEP Pierre SALES was born in Wilhelmsdorf * 1744 on 01 JAN Jean SALE died in Wilhelmsdorf Source: Research by Kurt Modschiedler at the Stadtarchiv Erlangen Reference: The church records of the French-Reformed community in Wilhelmsdorf * Further information on descendants from the line of Jaques Sale can be found in the Family Trees on RootsWeb in the data base: sale_tree Notes: 1. Capitalization has been added to the surnames within these quotations. The discovery of the origins of Jean SALE of Wilhelmsdorf continues to be the primary objective of this investigation. Any contribution related to the research of these surnames or others that are similar in the area of Mittelfranken will be helpful. Any information regarding the birth and parents of Jean SALE of Wilhelmsdorf would be greatly appreciated.