However, there does seem to be a great deal of knowledge here about the impossibility of tracing Catheres... and just to leave the subject behind, could someone provide the source(s) of their information? It is possible to trace Cathares. Toulouse, a center of Cathares, is rich with records. I will not say more here as it is apparent that there are those who rightly do not want to hear about the subject of Cathares on the HWE site. Just let it be known that there is as much justification for a Cathares site as for any other. If you doubt this, visit the Cathares site when it is up. Giselle EMBRY