Hi Elizabeth Need to sort out the Promulgation (by Henri IV, 13 Avril 1598) and the Revocation (by Louis XIV, 16 April 1685) or will cause untold confusion to our research chums. I just can't see the need or the reasons for restricting a definition of Huguenot to specific years and only French - as you rightly say, it excludes all those refugees pre 1685, the Walloons, the Cammisards and the other heretics - so a club can be more exclusive? To me - simple East London lad that I am - Huguenots is Huguenots. Regards Tony Fuller

Hi Luther was a roman cahtolic monk, who lived in a monastery and who reformed the relion to a certain point, wich was just acurately acceptable to kings and other non-clergical leaders. He was "only in opposition to the pope and roman catholics", but that could be dangerous enogh at his time. He married a non, who had left her comvent with other nuns. So both Lutherans and French Reformed Ministers did marry. The difference between Lutherans and French Reformed are not so big in our time, as it has been before. Calvin and Zwingly reformed the christian religion to a more advanced level. All are christians: roman catholics, french reformed (Jean Calvin/ Huldrich Zwingly/Martin Bucer). The Waloons were Bucero-Calvinistic reformed, why their influence came from Strassbourg. Some of us have ancestors, who were clearly Huguenots and other ancestors, who were strictly Bucero-Calvinistic reforemed Walloons. F.ex. my ancestor Isabeau MARTIN-TURBIÈRE, who was livning in Abriès, Queyras, Dauphine, and died in Germany was Huguenot. She was married 1660-1668 in Abriès to Blaise BEC, born in Abriès, who probably died there between 1679-1688. Eugen Bellon: "Scattered to all the Winds (1685-1720)", page 107: "Isabeau Bec, born Martin-Tubière" passing through Langenzell. Eugen Bellon: "Scattered to all the Winds (1685-1720)", page 162: "Isabeau Bec, born Martin-Tubière, widow of Blaise Bec from Abriès. On May 23, 1687, she passes through Frankfort with her children Pierre and Geoffry and the daughters Marie, who married one Jean Pez, and Catharine, as well as the relatives Jean Bec and Marguerite Bec (all from Abriès). These Bec families came via Hofgeismar to Schwabendort and all settled in Schwabendorf " (210 & 241). Another ancestor Anthoine LEFEVRE, was born abt. 1647 in Fleurbaix, Pays d'Alleu, now France, died 31.05.1717 in Walmow, Battin, Brandenburg. He married (I: um 1672 in Mutterstadt, Pfalz) Jagueline GOFFEAU (Daughter of Guillaume GOFFAU and Jeanne DESPARON), born 1640, died 1675-1679 in Germany and (II: um 1679 in Germany) Marie Noë (Daughter of Jean NOÉ, born Rongy, Tournai, Hainaut, died bef. 1684 in Oppau, Pfalz and Peironne STECLORON, born 1645 in Jans Cappel, died 30.12.1700 in Walmow, Battin Brandenburg, born um 1659 in Oppau, Pfalz, died 08.09.1719 in Walmow. These people were Walloons and can be found in "Fiches Wallones". But can we be sure, that only Wallones were mentioned in "Fiches Wallones", or could Hugenots, who passed through Netherlands and stayed long enough to be a member of a church also be mentioned in "Fiches Wallones" de Leide. For some ancestors, we do not know for sure, if they were Huguenots or Walloons. If we are going to say "Christians, who were not Roman Catholic, Greek Catholic, Jews or Lutherans, but eighter Huguenots or Walloons" the daily life language becomes complicated. Or can we make a new world and simple called the unsure persons "Walnuts", wich would be better than "Hugueloons". This can't of course be done. The German Huguenot Society and The Danish Huguenot Society has used the world Huguenot for all - but of course we know the difference between Huguenots, who left after the revocation of the Nantes Edict, and the Walloons, who left the Spanish Netherlands. It is only the research of the ancestors, who can eventually show if they were the one or the other. We have to search for their "place of origin" over the countryborders, wich makes everything difficult. But were are lucky to have the internet, wich makes our dreams come through by working together in genealogy. Greetings Hanne Thorup Koudal

Sorry about that...there was a parrot chewing on my computer cables (Really) and in my haste to loosen his grip, I wrote promulgation (by the former Navarre) instead of revocation... I do know the difference but perhaps the bird was in the mental grip of that Medici woman ... However, there does seem to be a great deal of knowledge here about the impossibility of tracing Catheres... and just to leave the subject behind, could someone provide the source(s) of their information? On a different thought...does anyone have any knowledge of the Trezevant family in and before Chanseuille en Baise? Elizabeth "fuller.tony" <fuller.tony@wanadoo.fr> wrote: Hi Elizabeth Need to sort out the Promulgation (by Henri IV, 13 Avril 1598) and the Revocation (by Louis XIV, 16 April 1685) or will cause untold confusion to our research chums. I just can't see the need or the reasons for restricting a definition of Huguenot to specific years and only French - as you rightly say, it excludes all those refugees pre 1685, the Walloons, the Cammisards and the other heretics - so a club can be more exclusive? To me - simple East London lad that I am - Huguenots is Huguenots. Regards Tony Fuller ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message