Hi all, At 05:14 PM 8/1/00 -0700, Andrea Vogel <andreav@island.net> wrote: > Listers -- > Here follows some info found through a Place Search for Lille, Nord, >France on the LDS web site (www.familysearch.org). Note that it also >includes info for other places in France, such as Béthune and Aire (both >Pas-de-Calais). As well, there is also some information for locations in >Belgium, ie. Mons (Liège) and Meenen (aka Menin) in West Flanders. These are >all in the border area between France and Belgium. > >Found under sub-heading Church Records (Lille) -- >1) Registres paroissiaux, 1708-1735, Eglise réformée de Lille, Nord, FRA. snip >2) Found under sub-heading History (Lille) -- >Kerkelijke geschiedenis,1706-1713, Waals Hervormde Kerk, Meenen, West >Vlaanderen, BEL & Lille, FRA. snip > Is anyone researching in these areas? Andrea I did a little bit of research in Armentières, following up on what Gwenn Epperson had done in tracing Mathieu Blanchan and Magdalena Joire. She had found their marriage and the baptism of a hitherto unknown child in the Roman Catholic Chruch there. see: "Magdalena Joire: A 'Mademoiselle from Armentières'," New York Genealogical and Biographical Record; vol. 122, no. 2 (April 1991) However, she didn't mention the baptism of dau. Catherine which I was interested in. I estimate she was born between 1634 and 1637. So, I got LDS film # 1,133,312 which has Baptêmes for 1612-1640 for the Eglise Catholique Paroisse d'Armentières. You may wonder why we were looking for people who were Huguenots (at least later) in the Catholic Church. Here is what Ms. Epperson says in her book New Netherland Roots, p. 95, speaking of France: "Protestant records also begin in the sixteenth century, but are very rare, since the records were illegal until 1789. Therefore, many Protestants are recorded in Catholic registers, as marriage by a Catholic priest was required to inherit property. The marriage of the couple will usually be found in the bride's home parish. Also, children were occasionally baptized in the Catholic Church to allay suspicion the parents were 'heretics.'" The records were in Latin in several different handwritings -- some were not very neat. But thanks to the example in Ms. Epperson's book, which had a transcription and a translation, I was a able to scan thru looking for a "Catherina filia Mattheus." The key for me was the Latin word "fuit" which preceded the child's name and then the filia or filius that separated the child's name from the father's. The f's tended to stand out on those words. I did find a Catherina filia Mathius, but the surname and the mother's name didn't look like what I needed. So, I came up empty; but it could have been there and I missed it. (I searched from a few months's after her parent's marriage thru 1639.) Also, At 11:03 AM 8/2/00 -0700, Andrea Vogel wrote: > Hi, everyone -- > This is a follow-up to my post yesterday (1 Aug) with subject line -- >Records: Nord, FRA & Flanders, BEL, about the records of Lille, Nord FRA and >other places in that area. snip >In Belgium: Tournai (Hainaut), Ieper (West Vlaanderen), Namur (Namur) >In France: Armentières (Nord) > I wanted to include the URL for an online map site which would show this >border area but couldn't find a good one. Anyone know of one? Andrea Sure. Try this: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/reference/maps/freeimages.asp?ImageID=242 Note: you may have to copy and paste to get the whole URL. Don't worry that the title is The Netherlands -- it goes all the way down to Artois and Hainaut. For your time period, you might also like this one: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/reference/maps/freeimages.asp?ImageID=276 Here is the main map page that has an assortment of maps available: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/reference/maps/ Scroll down to the "European Maps" selector box. The maps of the Low Countries are indexed under T for The Netherlands. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com