There is also a Geoffrey de Saye ( 1155-1230) who is one of the 25 Magna Charta Surety Barons who was at Runnymede in 1215....(and one of the 17 known to have left descendants). There are several URLs that list these folks < http://www.magnacharta.org > < http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/rfc/magnacharta.htm > Most of the Magna Charta Barons were related to each other (I have a descent from 9 of them through one ancestor alone).....so you might have a very interesting adventure ahead of you. You might also want to search the List Archives of GEN-MEDIEVAL-L at rootsweb.com and a search at < http://www.alltheweb.com > might be productive for you. Happy hunting...........malinda jones "Carol J. Markillie" wrote: > Hello Hugh: > > I've seen the SIX and SAYs for so many years, I'll have to think where I > saw them. First of all, yes, my name comes from MARQUILLIES - I visited the > village > in the 80s and then went to Guisnes behind Calais and tracked the Walloons > who were in that area and who ended up in the fen drainage projects in > England, up through Bruges, Cadzand, Walcheren, Amsterdam, Leiden, etc.I > think either my LE PLA family or the MARQUILLIERs were married to a SAY and > maybe a SIX but I'll have to look that up also. Of course, this is from > 1568 when the MARQUILLIERs I'm descended from (I think) were sentenced to > permanent exile by the Spanish Inquisition a week or two after Calais was > won back from the English in October 1568 and the Spanish Inquisition was > invited into northern France by the Guise brothers. I don't have the > Netherlands material in my database because it is a far leap from my > 2xgrgrandfather Thomas MARKILLIE (1774-1871) back to Middelburg Walcheren > or to Haarlem or Amsterdam or Leiden but I have that material in my files - > unfortunately it may be in storage at the moment as I've moved and > everything except a few boxes are waiting in storage until I get another > place to live. > I'll go through the material I have here in the next few days and see if I > can dig anything out for you - in the meantime, I know there is a lot of > material in the registers published by the Huguenot Society in their Quarto > series - available through large university or public libraries that have > series collections or through the Huguenot Society itself. > > Have you written to the Archives in Lille? They may be able to supply a > good deal of information but you should be a bit careful on how you phrase > your question - I wrote 20 years ago and got a very negative answer and > then visited the archives myself and was supplied with a lot of material - > we only had one day there, unfortunately, but they said there was a great > deal of things downstairs, old maps, etc. but they didn't have time to pull > everything out that day.[Let me know if you want the address.] I don't know > if Mr. Guy is still there but you might address a letter to him and hope > for the best. Also, the village of MARQUILLIES had a village historian who > gave a speech about MARQUILLIER knights every May 14 on the anniversary of > the death of Eustache de MARQUILLIES in the Battle of Bouvines. You might > write to the mayor of Wicres and see if he can direct you to a similar > person in WICRES. > > Have you read A Family From Flanders by John Peters (I think it was John) - > it is very interesting and about that area. > > I found MARQUILLIES by looking on an old Bleu Guide printed before World > War I - no one in our family knew anything about the French origins of our > family prior to that although some said "They were Huguenots". > Coincidentally, my sister and I attended Notre Dame des Victoires in San > Francisco where nuns taught, coming from the Cathedral of Notre Dame des > Victoires built by Philippe Augustus to honor his victory at the Battle of > Bouvines. The nuns had escaped during or just after the Battle of > Armentieres in WWI and fled France - the Pope (or someone high up in the > Catholic Church) told them to go to San Francisco and open a school. Our > teachers weren't the original nuns but they were all from the same area - > some of the old ones still paddled around upstairs in their carpet slippers > but we weren't allowed up there in the private quarters. Unfortunately at > that time, no one picked up on our name although the nuns were from around > that area, or at least they didn't mention it to us - too bad as they > probably could have told us lots of stories about the area. They knew we > weren't Roman Catholics but if they'd known we had descended from > Calvinists the doors might have been closed more firmly yet. > > Regards - > Carol > > > >Carol, we are searching for an Abraham SEAY, formerly SIX or SAYE, who is > >reported to have come from a village in French Flanders called Wicres, which > >is just up the road a piece from Marquillies (Is this the place from which > >your surname was derived?) So, knowing that Wicres is an area where many SIX > >families have lived, we are interested in any SIX from that area who might > >have taken refuge in England before embarking for Virginia. One big problem > >is that all of the official records of Wicres burned in 1915. So notaries' > >records there and church registers in England are our only hope. > > > >We would not normally think that SIX and SAYE are related (one being Walloon > >and the other Flemish) except that both are names that sound something like > >SEAY, which can be pronounced [say] or [seh] in the UK and Down Under and > >[see] in America. The French Languedoc name SAY and the variants of the > >Flemish name SOYEZ, SOY, SAYE, SAEY (which also incliudes SAY) cannot be > >dismissed, but for now, we think SIX is our best bet. > > > >There is an Adam VIGNES listed at the Huguenot settlement in Manakin, VA but > >so far he cannot be connected to my ancestor Naomi LAVIGNE, LOVIGNE, LOVINE, > >or LOVING. But your having seen LAVIGNE in the Huguenot Society Quarto > >series bears investigation as does Marty's August 11 posting about the will > >of an Adam VIGNE on the VA-Roots List. > > > >Hope the GGRN may prove useful to you. > > > >Thanks again and > > > >Best regards, > > > >Hugh Seay > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe (if you are in digest mode), > type and send only the word unsubscribe to: > HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/