Listers -- here is some information re: Abraham LEGRAND and related families of Herne, Kent, ENG. It's from the same book of MI's by Edward Dwelly that I cited in my post on 22 Aug re: SIX & SEA. As I mentioned then, Herne is only a few miles from Canterbury. These MI's -- on stone slabs set into the floor -- are all in the nave of St. Martin's Church at Herne. On pg. 46, #11 -- Description: slab with shield but no crest. There is a drawing of the shield on this page. "Here lieth ye body of Wm. KNOWLER, Woolen/ Draper, late of Canterbury, son of Stephen/ KNOWLER of the same, Chirurgion & of Mary/ his Wife. He died Mar: 2d 1714, Aged 29 Years/ By this Pew lieth his Grand Father Stephen KNOWLER of Hearn. Also a Brother & 2 Sisters/ Adjoyning to the head of this stone/ Also here lieth Elizabeth, wife of Abra: LEGRAND/ Daughter of Stephen KNOWLER & of Mary his/ Wife. She died Octor. ye 11th 1721 Aged 29 Years/ And her 2 Daughters, Mary KNOWLER Aged/ 8 Days & Elizabeth Aged 11 Days were/ buried with her./ She left surviving one Son, Stepn. LEGRAND./ Also here lieth ye body of the above sd. Abraham LEGRAND who died Ianuary/ 19, 1742, Aged 60. The said Stephen LEGRAND, M.B.,/ ob: 26 Nov 1759, aet. 39 & lieth in/ this Church." Also on pg. 46, #12 -- Similar slab to above and to E. of it, close to Chancel. Has shield but no crest. There is a drawing of the shield on this page. "Helen LEGRAND/ widow of Abraham LEGRAND, gent.:/ Daughter of John PLUMMER, gent: and Mary his wife, ob. 27 June 1758 aet. 59/ and lieth here with seven infant children/ Helen,/ Plummer, Samuel, Abraham, John, Samuel Plummer, William./ Three daughters survived their Parents./ Mary Married to Edward Lord CHICK, Esq:/ of West Ham, Essex: afterwards of Kingston/ in this County, ob: 27 Jan: 1774./ Elizabeth wife of Sir William FAGG,/ Bart. of Mystole in the Parish of Chartham, ob. 27 Feb: 1785./ Frances married to John HITCHCOCK,/ gent. of London/ after his Decease to ----------/ NICHALL, gent. of Hendon, Midx/ ob. 7 Oct 1780." The following description of the church nave is under the heading: "The Nave: Points of Interest" on pg. 44. It's described as "very wide, and with the N. & S. Aisles forms an exact square. Four pointed arches on the N. side and give on the S., the moulding on former differing from that on latter. The octagonal pillars of Bethersden marble. The peculiar arch above the present arch of the baptistry, which of itself proves the existence of a former church, probably Norman. A very large Perpendicular (third pointed) window with 5 lights at W. end. Handsome Chancel screen at E. end, boldly carved. Opening in wall at S.E. corner, which formerly led to the rood-loft. The impress of those who passed through it more than 300 years ago still remains shoulder-high on the plaster work. Three oak steps yet remaining in passage, form a part of the old approach from below." I can send the drawings of the shields if anyone is interested. This is all the info there is in this source re: LE GRAND but there is quite a bit of further info about the KNOWLER surname which I can also send to anyone interested. KNOWLER is a fairly common surname in East Kent, particularly in the Herne and Whitstable area. They seem to have been a prominent family at Herne -- for example, the South Chantry Chapel in the church is apparently also known as the KNOWLER Chapel. Hope this helps someone out there. Andrea