Many thanks to Luc Chaput and his Belgian genealogist friend, for the vital statistics information re Sayes is new to me, and most welcome. The only name I know is that of Jehenne Saye, who of course, cannot be the Jean Saye who was executed in 1567. Primary sources were not and probably still are not available to me, so I have used the works of various Belgian authors/editors, including de Coussemaker, Hocquet, Moreau, Verheyden for the information I have. I have also a copy of a "Carte du Tournaisis au XVI-siecle", but I am still not sure as to what exactly is included - unfortunately, geography is not one of my strong points. The names I found, (with various spellings) all date from the time of the"troubles" that beset the area from 1567-1573. They are:Jean SAIS/SAYS (also Jehan SEIS/SAYS) and associated with him in Tournai, Loys SAIS/SAYS (Louis SAIS). Others also on the List of the Condemned are Antoine & Jacquot SEIS (brothers)/ Antoine & Jacques SAYE (La Gorgue); Pierre SAY, (Furnes); Adrienne SAYE, Tournai; Ghyleyn SEYE, Bailleul; Christoffee SEYS, Gant; Josse SEYS, Nevele; Jehan DE SEY, Dalhem. These may well include names that actually are not variants of SAYE,etc., and they may well be inaccurate, both because they are secondary sources, and also through human error on my part. Thus, they need to be checked with primary sources. Many of these names, as well as others on the list, appear in England. Wordy though this is, it is a brief summary of my information concerning the Calvinist uprising in 16th century Flanders. But do they lead to anything fruitful??? Joanne Deane Sieger