Hello dear Listers, I'm reading for a while in this list en now I will try to ask something about mu ancestors. Hope anyone can help me because I've looked en search for a very long time. The nam I.m searching is URY/URI/URIE. They were weaver-family and Hugenots, and went from Lyon to Switscherland in 1776. In France there name was PORTILLE, (I can't find anything about that name) they changed there name (in Bern) into URY. Via Germany (Hanau) they went to the Netherlands. Two Brothers URY studiet Theologie in Genf circa 1780. The given names I know are: Isaak,Samuel, Pierre, Jean, Louis, Frederic. There was a Isaac who married in Hanau withe Marie Judith le PLAT in 1734. And a Samuel who married Jeanne Marie le ROI(le ROY) in 1736, also in Hanau Germany. I can't get the right link to my family, does someone knows more data about this names? I hope so, because I can't go on with my tree. Whishing evryone understand my English :-) Much Greetings from Marianne Uri The Netherlands.

"Is anyone aware of restrictions being placed on strangers in London" Hi there, In the late 1720s The great and the good of Edinburgh invited a group of Picardy Huguenots to come to Edinburgh from a desire to encourage the weaving industry in Scotland. The huguenots were described as poor and illiterate but Scotland needed their skills. However only Edinburgh Burghers were allowed to ply trade within the city boundaries. The incomers were offered a piece of land outside the city boundary which they completely rejected. The only alternative open to the "Board" was to make each family head a Burgher of Edinburgh. I think some researchers have assumed that these men from Picardy had "risen" in society to have become Burgesses; this was not the case. It was a bribe to come to Edinburgh. I am sure tit would be the case all over the country; Hughuenots could live "outwith" the city boundaries.Otherwise they would have to buy earn or....somehow obtain the status to trade "within". In fact I have seen an advert in the Times for a property in Spital Square where one of the selling points was that the shop was outside the city boundary and so trade would be easy for prospective buyers Penny Cazaly

I have a (probable) ancestor who evidently emigrated to Virginia in the mid 1600s. His name was John KEETON, and he shows up in some of the Manakin Town and other Huguenot info (I am not positive he was a Huguenot, but he was supposedly known as the "Dutchman" and was naturalized along with a lot of other (possibly) Dutch Huguenots (i.e. Doodes Minor, etc. were naturalized previously). My main point is that they were naturalized in the colony of Virginia in 1679 "to enjoy all of the same rights as natural born Englishman" and members of the colony. I believe prior to about 1671, non-English émigrés were not allowed to own property or, at least, to pass it on to their heirs. I know that you were asking about London, but I have a feeling it would be pretty similar. Here is a link to some of those naturalization records (from Henings' Statutes): http://vagenweb.org/hening/ http://vagenweb.org/hening/vol02-21.htm LAWS OF VIRGINIA, APRIL, 1679−−−31st CHARLES II ACT X. An act for the naturalization of Abraham Vincler, John Michaell, Jacob Johnson, John Pimmitt (a) and John Keeton WHEREAS at a grand assembly holden at James Cittie the twentieth day of September, in the twenty third yeare of the reigne of our soveraigne lord king that now is, and in the yeare of our Lord God 1671, It was enacted and ordained that any stranger desireing to make this country the place of their constant residence might upon their petition to the grand assembly, and takeing the oathes of allegiance and supremacy be admitted to a naturalization, whereupon Abraham Vincler, John Michaell, Jacob Johnson, John Pimmitt and John Keeton, aliens makeing humble suite as afforesaid; It is therefore enacted by the governour, councell and burgesses of this present grand assembly, and the authority thereof, that the said Abraham Vincler, John Michaell, Jacob Johnson, John Pimmitt and John Keaton, and every of them be and are by vertue hereof, and the afore recited law whereon this is grounded capeable of free traffique and tradeing of takeing up, purchaseing, conveying, deviseing and inheritting of lands and tenements, and from henceforth be, and are declared, deemed and holden, and in all constructions of law, stated, vested and indulged with all priviledges, liberties and immunities whatsoever relateing to this collony that any naturall borne Englishman is capeable of according to the true intent and meaning of the said act. Tim Keeton -----Original Message----- From: smdtarry@bellsouth.net [mailto:smdtarry@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:16 AM To: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWE] Restrictions on Huguenots Hey Folks, Is anyone aware of restrictions being placed on strangers in London that prevented them from owning businesses? I'm not aware of such a thing but thought I would ask around. I have an ancestor who in the late 1600s owned an inn outside of London and he might have been a Huguenot or the descendent of one. Thanks, Shane ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== Have you submitted your surnames for our list web site? To do so will make your names accessible to others on the Web. For more info, contact Andrea (list admin)at andreav@island.net. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hey Folks, Is anyone aware of restrictions being placed on strangers in London that prevented them from owning businesses? I'm not aware of such a thing but thought I would ask around. I have an ancestor who in the late 1600s owned an inn outside of London and he might have been a Huguenot or the descendent of one. Thanks, Shane

If you have a chance to read The Genealogist - magazine of the Society Genealogists London there is an excellent article on just that subject in the latest issue. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Subject: [HWE] Huguenots in the British Military (LARGE) > Apart from Portarlington (Ireland) records and Glozier's The Huguenot > Soldiers of Wm of Orange, are there other good resources for researching > French Huguenots who entered into the British military? >

Mainly for Julie Hornung. I did some quick research on the name which figures in your ancestry and found the following: [Mormon Church site] There were a number of entries from the Huguenot Church, Threadneedle Street, London. The name was mostly spelled, "Lehue", with a couple where the final "e" was dropped. If you think that your ancestors were part of the Huguenot diaspora, then this might be of interest to you, especially as these people were presumably still French speaking and close enough to their point of origin to be able to spell their names with reasonable accuracy. [GeneaNet] There were 197 Lehues listed, most of those with the earliest dates attached to them were from two towns in the Nord Department [59]. The towns were, "Haspres" and "Saulzoir". There were also a few early ones from the Meurthe-et-Moselle region. Those from later dates were more widely dispersed. I suppose that if I were you [and I hope that I'm not being too presumptuous, as you may already know all this !]I would, at least as a starting point, concentrate on these two towns as the most likely places to find traces of my ancestors and I would also presume that "Lehue" is the most likely original spelling of the name. As for me, I already know that my ancestors came from a very small village called, Monthelon, in the Marne Department. They were listed in the records of the protestant temple which existed in the nearby hamlet of Chaltrait. The later history of the family, outside France is well documented and clear. The Chaltrait records are preserved in the Departmental archives in Chalons-en-Champagne. I have seen them and I was surprised by their excellent state of preservation and legibility. The surname, "Blignaut" is spelt the same as it is today. However, to go further back is the problem as there does not seem to be much in the way of research on Protestantism in the region, which is not surprising as it was not exactly a hotbed of Reform! What does seem clear, however, is that the name belonged originally to a very small family and that it was not perpetuated in France. -- Martin moslins1@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web

Apart from Portarlington (Ireland) records and Glozier's The Huguenot Soldiers of Wm of Orange, are there other good resources for researching French Huguenots who entered into the British military? Does anyone know if there was any connection between Portarlington and the barracks/soldiers in Co. Kilkenny Ireland? Have twin family tales of Huguenots and British military in my LARGE ancestral line, and cannot seem to connect on either story. Thanks! Deborah Large Fox

Thank you Gieselle ! This is an excellent resource. Marcia On Feb 21, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Embry, Giselle@EDD wrote: > > Perhaps y'all have already used this site before, if not it may > help in some > circumstances: > > http://www.vieuxmetiers.org/ >

Hello to you all -- Here is another message which has been posted on the HWE Message Board. The author of this post is not a subcriber to this list. Therefore, as always, the way to reply to it is to do so *on the Board*, not on this list. See further instructions on how to do this at the very end of this message. If you do go to the Board, notice that there have already been several replies posted there in response to this original query. I have capitalized all the surnames below to make them more noticeable and also to comply with one of our list guidelines. Regards, Andrea (list concierge) Message Board Post as follows: I have been researching and trying to prove or disprove that Thomas DELANEY b. 1662, Ireland is son of Gideon DE LAUNCE. Our line goes from Thomas to his son Joseph b. 1682, Ireland haven't seen the name Gideon show up elsewhere in our direct line. I have put a time line together of my notes and would appreciate any information on this family or advice. It is said Joseph, son of Thomas, was born in Kilkenny, which makes the William that enter Kilkenny College 1704 a possibilty as a brother or cousin. Thank you, Glennda William DE LAUNE 1530 - born France - researchers say he was born 1539 but his declaration makes it 1530 1565- Gideon born this year is what I have found other researchers claiming but if he lived till age 97 he would of been born 1557 or age 94 is 1560 1574 - started practicing medicine 1582 - left France for England 1582 - censorial hearing -not allowed to practice medincine till licensed 1582 - censorial hearing 2 - William claimed age 52, clergyman, physician, refugee, petition saying he had a large family and was not able to support them unless he was able to practice medicine, had studied medicine 8 years at Paris and Montpelliar under DURET and RONDELET, as a priest had practicied medicine 25 years and presented letter of recommendation from Consistory. 1582 -Licensed to practice upon payment of £3 p.a 1582-1611 - Physician, Medical Physician, Professor of Theology, Clergyman, Author ca 1583 - Montpellier degree? 1583 -college censorial hearing -was asked for 20s 1584 - Paul DELAUNE born, son of William born at Blackfriar 1585 - Living Blackfriar 1585 - appeared again- It was again claimed that he should pay £3 p.a 1589 - appeared again and was told to pay his arrears 1592 - William petitioned -petitioned for a relaxation of his annual payments College insisted William should pay his arrears, but would consider his case 1594 - annual fee was reduced to 36s. 8d. p.a. 1610 - living at Blackfriar 1611 - dies There is also a John and William living at Blackfrair before this William that may be his two other sons born in France that went to England before him, or maybe his brothers. 1542-43 - John DE LAUNCE went to England 1567-1568 - John lived Bridge without Ward 1574 - A William DE LAUNCE lived at Rye Below are other Williams that are in the family line. 1648 - William - reward and declaration promised by Charles (executed 1648) 1662 - William, 30, widower, Kent 1704 - William enrolled at Kilkenny College 1711 - Col. William, grandson of Gideon, transformed Sharsted 1733 - William, son of Gideon, was bound apprentice to Arthur WELDON Gideon DE LAUNCE 1565 - born France, son of William, this year is what I have found other researchers claiming but if he lived till age 97 he would of been born 1557 or age 94 is 1560 1582 - went to England with William 1593 - Gideon and wife at Blackfriar 1612 - granted arms 1614 - led struggle for Aportecaries Society to get their own Charter - they were given first charter in 1540 but it was with the Grocers 1618 - On list of Protestants and Aliens in England 1618 - Minister of the Wallon Church ?? bef 1619- Apothecay of Queen Anne 1625 - either Gideon bought for Abraham or Abraham bought Sharsted Court 1626 - elected Alderman for Dowgate Ward 1635 - A Gideon on list of Return Aliens in the Metropolis 1637 - Master of Aportecaries 1654 - will proved Other Gideons in line; aft 1667 - Gideon marries widow 1673 - Gideon, age 35, Kent Pierre DE LAUNCE 1588 - Peterhouse, London 1616 - printing of his translation of Book of Common Prayer Paul DELAUNE 1584 - born at Blackfriar 1604 - MD 1608 - BA 1611 - MA 1614 - practing medicine 1621 -1626- In Ireland Peter DE LAUNE (this could be Pierre?) 1618 - Norwich list of French Ministers below a younger one? 1681 - obtained letter of denization, appointed tutor to the children of the Duke of York, afterwards James II Richard DE LAUNCE 1666 - obtained Freedom of Cork Henry DE LAUNCE bef 1648 - obtained denization Thomas DE LAUNE , author of Plea for the Non-Conformists that died in prison with wife and three children. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you want to reply to the above query, go to the HWE Message Board by clicking on this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fq.2ADEAE/352 and then click on Post Reply. END

race Lawless Lee mentions on page 184 of "The Huguenot Settlements in Ireland" that a John De Blaquiere from Limousin who became associated with Crommelin in the founding of a linen industry in the north of Ireland, fled to England in 1685 and married Mary De Varennes, daughter of a refugee. One of their sons became a merchant in London, another settled in Lisburn and married a Crommelin. A fifth son, John became Secretary to the Legation in Paris and later Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. Lee wrote that Smiles stated he was made a Baron in 1784 and in 1800 raised to the peerage as Lord de Blaquiere of Ardkill. She adds "but he must have achieved a very great age before receiving these dignities." No other references to the name De Varennes in Lee's book but much more about the Crommelins and other families they married into. Barbara Holt in New Zealand

Perhaps y'all have already used this site before, if not it may help in some circumstances: http://www.vieuxmetiers.org/ Regards, Giselle Embry (seeking all EMBURY,AMBRY,EMBRIE)

Hi Lois I think your family may have been descendants of some of the large number of Irish soldiers who went to live in France after the defeat of the Catholic Irish forces by the Protestant Irish and Huguenot forces in the 1690's in the Siege of Limerick and other places. Some of these families returned to live in Ireland in the 1700's. They are called The Wild Geese of Irish history and there are books about them. An odd thing is however that I thought a large number of O'Briens of County Clare if not all of them became Protestants in the time of Queen Elizabeth and have remained so up to this day. You should be able to read something about them too. Some of my ancestors were Huguenots of Co. Clare so I have read quite a bit on that subject and I don't think yours fit that description as most did not speak fluent French by the 1800's. Barbara Holt in NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Friss" <lfriss@usc.edu> To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:24 AM Subject: French in Ireland

Hi Lois I think your family may have been descendants of some of the large number of Irish soldiers who went to live in France after the defeat of the Catholic Irish forces by the Protestant Irish and Huguenot forces in the 1690's in the Siege of Limerick and other places. Some of these families returned to live in Ireland in the 1700's. They are called The Wild Geese of Irish history and there are books about them. An odd thing is however that I thought a large number of O'Briens of County Clare if not all of them became Protestants in the time of Queen Elizabeth and have remained so up to this day. You should be able to read something about them too. Some of my ancestors were Huguenots of Co. Clare so I have read quite a bit on that subject and I don't think yours fit that description as most did not speak fluent French by the 1800's. Barbara Holt in NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Friss" <lfriss@usc.edu> To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:24 AM Subject: French in Ireland

Hi, I'm new to Huguenot research and hoping that someone onlist may share my interest in the VARENNE family of London. So far my early info on the family is from PCC probate listings (documents online) and the IGI. Earliest reference is baptism of Ezechiel VARENNE on 30 Dec 1688 at Threadneedle St French Huguenot, London, son of Ezechiel and Jeanne. A successive line of Ezechiels were apothecaries; later VARENNEs were Church of England clergymen. They married women with surnames of BRUGNIER, du CONTE, FULTON, PILLISSIER, all in London My point of entry is a Cof E Reverend of Leckhampstead, Bucks named John Theodore Archibald REED, a scholar of St Paul's School, born 1759. He was orphaned by the age of 6 and looked after by family friends who put him through school. I believe the friends were VARENNEs, as one of JTA's sons was named George Varenne REED and a George VARENNE was at St Paul's school at the same time as JTA - both were exhibitioners to university in 1779 (George went to Cambridge, JTA to Oxford). George VARENNE and his namesake George Varenne REED were both acquainted with Charles Darwin. Rev JTA REED is a distant relative but very interesting, with a past cloaked in mystery. I would love to know more about the VARENNEs, with whom he was clearly closely linked and hope the list may be able to help. In hope Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield UK

-----Original Message----- From: Marcia Bignall [mailto:mbignall@mac.com] > Very interesting map--for both the distribution of Protestants (who went to Britain) and > the geography (I can see where Dauphiné was situated from this map and how the present > departments correspond to the former Dauphiné). MD: I want to make sure we're clear about what the chart shows. It attempts to count (necessarily averaged numbers of) Calvinists *in situ* in various parts of France during the period. It does not count all Protestants, nor suggest how many emigrated to Britain. It does not show geography, or provincial boundaries. > We frequently see a change of boundaries when researching in the U.S. > as counties were formed which can affect where official records are housed today. Are > there any guidelines to follow when looking for documents if Dauphiné is an area of > interest? MD: Generally, you have to undo your notions of boundaries, first of all. The dashed lines on the map, for example, are not geographical boundaries at all -- they are the lines of control of the provincial Calvinist synods (as I think the legend says). The names of traditional regions -- Picardy, the Pays D'Oc, Bearn, Brittany -- are also on the map, but I don't believe there was ever a provincial synod for Picardy. The map is trying to relate traditional regions to provincial synodal boundaries. I find the following are always useful guidelines: 1. focus on towns and geographical loci, not the names of (ill-defined) broader areas. Looking for a "Beauchamps" in "the valley of the Bresle" is tractable. Looking for a "Beachamps" in Picardy is less so, in part because there is more than one, and in part because the boundaries of Picardy did indeed change, as far as cartographers were concerned, during the period. If you don't have town-level or geographical clues, you're reduced to surmises based on period maps (see below). Think "transportation" -- where people traveled was a function of what transportation systems they had ready access to. For example, the reason why so many protestants of various stripes living in the Palatinate left for the new world via Amsterdam was, first and foremost, the Rhine as a transportation system... 2. Get a Michelin driving map-book of modern France. The maps are detailed and close to ground level. Barnes and Noble will sell you one in the states. 3. Get several maps of the area in which you are interested in for the period -- or as close as you can get -- from a good map dealer. The Map House in Kensington (google them) usually has what I am looking for, will give you JPGs of the map before you purchase one, and will even tell you whether the places you are looking for are on the map (if they have time) before you buy. Good people. Keep in mind that all maps are political documents -- the cartographer is trying to prove something, flatter someone, or otherwise adopt a rhetorical stance. What is chosen matters; what is left out, matters more. 4. Keep orthography in mind. The 'home town' of my (incorrectly identified) Crusader-noblemen ancestors was spelled, variously, Marets, Maraye, Maray, and Marest on maps made less than two decades apart in the 1600s. We had a recent post on this list where someone was failing to find a town because the sixteenth century spelling (present on period maps) was different substantially from the twentieth century spelling (present in the Michelin maps). 5. Find (and it's hard sometimes) a history of the region in which you are interested in. That may entail going to the Library of Congress catalog or the National Union Catalog or the French national library catalogs to see if such books exist, and then hunting down copies either in research libraries or on abebooks or alibris. 6. Find a read Edward Whiting Fox's *History in Geographic Perspective: The Other France.* In the case of Dauphine, one needs to keep in mind that the principality of Orange (as in William of Orange, stadholder and mortal enemy of the Bourbons) is implicated. William was, technically speaking, a vassal of the Kind of France. I have put some useful baseline maps up for people who don't have a sense of the lay of the land, including maps showing the area under discussion in the late 1400s, at 1515, and in the 1550s, as well as a nice map of the distribution of Calvinist churchs. http://www.demarests.com/documents/huguenot_maps.pdf A large file (1.4 MB) For people researching Picardy, Flanders and Artois, and looking for maps of the period, contact me -- I have probably already bought and digitized what you're looking for.

I'm right there with you Martin! My family (LeHew or LaHue or LaHugh, etc) came to the States in the late 1600s and family lore has them as Huguenots but I can't find out where they were from originally. There are so many names that they could have come from! And that's only if they kept it close ot LeHew! Granted I've just been looking on-line but it's pretty daunting. Julie This e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient or an authorized representative of an intended recipient, you are prohibited from using, copying or distributing the information in this e-mail or its attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies of this message and any attachments. Thank you.

Marc, Very interesting map--for both the distribution of Protestants (who went to Britain) and the geography (I can see where Dauphiné was situated from this map and how the present departments correspond to the former Dauphiné). We frequently see a change of boundaries when researching in the U.S. as counties were formed which can affect where official records are housed today. Are there any guidelines to follow when looking for documents if Dauphiné is an area of interest? Thanks, On Feb 20, 2006, at 1:17 AM, Marc Demarest wrote: > > While digging out the answer to the "When were royal offices first > denied to > Huguenots?" question, I found a lovely map showing the probable > population > of Calvinists in various parts of the royal demense for the period > 1630-1670. The numbers are definitely more....circumspect?...than > those of > the Victorian-era chroniclers (who relied on people's reportage in a > pre-statistics era). > > http://www.demarests.com/documents/huguenot_population_map.pdf

Marc, Thank you for locating that reference & posting it. Very helpful, and your summary comments make it clear that all was not as it seems on paper. Marcia On Feb 20, 2006, at 1:04 AM, Marc Demarest wrote: > > In answer to the question "When were Huguenots prohibited from > acting as > royal officials?" this, from Roger Mettam's excellent "Louis XIV > and the > Persection of the Huguenots" (which can be found in Irene > Scouloudi, ed. > Huguenots in Britain and their French Background, 1550-1800. > Published by > the Huguenot Society of Great Britain and Ireland). >

Thanks Carol, yes this has been my thought for some time now, intrestingly the only record with that spelling that I have come across was in Brittainy but much later (1700's) my other thought was may be Ireland, her trade with Chester, Cheshire (Home of the OLLIER's as we know them) was significant in those days, I would agree that it is a question of phonetics for sure, a lot of the early Cheshire registers were filled in by lay clergy (farmers, yeomen etc & not Doctors of Law!) Many thanks for your suggestion. Best regards from Lawrence Researching OLLIER's at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ollier/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol J. Markillie" <markilli@inreach.com> To: "Lawrence Ollier" <lorenzo.9@talk21.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [HWE] ALLOHIERE > Hi Lawrence: > > It looks like someone was trying to spell it phonetically. It may be just a > one time thing with the local vicar or someone in the parish. > > Carol > >

Hi I take your point about the evolution of surnames. However, there are also numerous cases of families which were very small to begin with and in which the surname disappeared from its point of origin due to a number of factors, including natural disasters, the propensity towards producing female offspring, and, in our case, emigration en masse for religious reasons. I believe there is even a French historical work on the surnames which have disappeared, but I imagine it is far from comprehensive. _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com