I remember visiting Kew Gardens in 1985 when the Huguenot Heritage Year was on. There was a display with information about the Huguenots introducing hops to England and also a lot of vegetables that had only been grown in France. also read that the Sally Lunn bun in Bath was invented (?) by a Huguenot. Shirley Subject: [HWE] Hugenotten > > Thanks to Hanne Thorup Koudal for explaining the Huguenot contribution > to the Danish diet. The Huguenots were more vegetarian than their hosts? > The refugees who went to the Cape of Good Hope seem to have been happy > with the local meat diet and I read somewhere that in England they had a > liking for oxtail soup - did they, perhaps, use more vegetables because > of their reduced circumstances?

Greetings Thanks to Wolfgang Trogus. I will certainly write to the Deutsche Hugenotten-Gesellschaft. It is interesting that the two works which you mention were both published in the late 19th Century. Is there much current academic interest in Germany in Huguenot history? Thanks to Hanne Thorup Koudal for explaining the Huguenot contribution to the Danish diet. The Huguenots were more vegetarian than their hosts? The refugees who went to the Cape of Good Hope seem to have been happy with the local meat diet and I read somewhere that in England they had a liking for oxtail soup - did they, perhaps, use more vegetables because of their reduced circumstances? Best wishes Martin Blignaut. -- Martin moslins1@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service

Dear Martin Clean water could be arranged by boiling the water for 20 minuts, then the bacteria would die. Some people have boiled their water for some minuts and taken away worms and rats and other things. The beer was not always strong beer, but low-alcohol beer, wich was used at lot. Often people hat a dram (schnapps), wich was not expensive at that time. Perhaps the brewers also boiled the water before use. Some poor people have eaten cold food, because they did not have a place to cook hot meals. Ordinary people did not have much vegetables and fruits, but the huguenots got more vegetables f.ex. potatoes, asparagus, garlic, parsley. In Denmark the huguenots, who arrived at Fredericia in Jutland 1719-1721, brought the potatoes, wich the Danish people did not know at that time. The area, where they lived, was called "the parsley quarter", because of their strage food! - Perhaps partly because of their food they often got very old, much older than the rest of the Danish population. One mann died 106 years old (Abraham Clause Maire 1683-1789), but that was unusual even for huguenots. Often they were very well at the age of 80-90 years old. Hanne Thorup Koudal

Hallo, there is a list of the members of the French colony in Berlin-Buchholz, as of 31. December 1699: in a book by Richard Béringuier:"Die Colonieliste von 1699". Berlin 1888, to be found via your library. In another book by the same author: "Die Stammbäume der Mitglieder der Französischen Colonie in Berlin", Berlin 1887 [which covers Berlin proper, and has been reprinted years ago] I do not find a BLIGNAULT. There is no list of all huguenot names in Germany; but, the "Deutsche Hugenotten-Gesellschaft", Hafenplatz 9a, D-34385 Bad Karlshafen, Tel. 05672-1433, e-mail: dhgev@t-online.de has a research center. You could write to them. Best regards Wolfgang Trogus _________________________________________________ Eine e-mail von/ an e-mail of Wolfgang Trogus wolf.trogus@t-online.de ; Tel. 07545-592 Kapellenweg 21a, D-88090 Immenstaad am Bodensee Homepage: http://home.genealogy.net/wolftrogus.html

Dear Martin Blignaut I looked for your surname BLIGNAUT at www.FamilySearch.org Here the name is common in Netherlands, England and South Africa (some of the wellknown places for huguenots). Some Hugenotten were brewers. Beer was used a lot for drinking, because the water was of a very bad quality and unhealthy to drink. Bischoff, Johannes E.: Lexikon deutscher Hugenottn-Orte. Geschichtsblätter des Deutschen Hugenotten-Vereins e.v. Band XXII, page 108-109 about Französisch Buchholtz. 19 lines of text about the parish and the litterature and sources. Do you read German? I shall make a scan of these pages and send you if you like. Greetings Hanne Thorup Koudal Graesager 412 2980 Kokkedal Denmark

Thanks to Hanne Thorup Koudal for his efforts on my behalf. I know that my surname is reasonably common in South Africa but, although my ancestors passed through Holland, I don't think the name still survives there. Two brothers came to England, however, only the birth of a daughter is recorded and so the name did not become established in the UK. Of course, it is possible that I have distant cousins on the distaff side in a number of places en route. My German is more than a little rusty, but I would be interested in seeing the relevant pages of Johannes Bischoff's book. By-the way, and excuse my ignorance,but how did the brewers manage to purify the water? Thanks again Martin Blignaut. -- Martin moslins1@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web

Greetings I would like to thank Wolfgang Trogus and Hanne Thorup Koudal for the information which they have provided. I think that the Bucholz referred to must indeed be in Berlin, not Saxony. The name I am looking for is Blignaut and it is said that he became a brewer in Germany - did Huguenots become brewers? Martin Berdau asked if there is a list of names of Huguenots who went to Germany and Wolfgang Trogus mentioned a Lexikon Deutscher Huguenotten-Orte - could this book help us both? Thanks again Martin Blignaut. -- Martin moslins1@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - And now for something completely different…

Dear Martin Blignaut 04.05.2006 I am not an expert in Hugenotten in Saxony, but I have found a web page about Annaberg-Buchholz: http://www.annaberg-buchholz.de/ This web page says that the town has a library. Stadtbibliothek Annaberg-Buchholz Klosterstraße 5 09456 Annaberg-Buchholz Tel.: 03733 / 22030 Also you could try: Deutsche Hugenotten-Gesellschaft e.V. (Tel. 05672 1433, Fax 05672 925072) Hafenplatz 9a, 34385 Bad Karlshafen info@hugenotten.de You could write a letter to the library in Annaberg-Buchholz or DHG to ask about hugenots in Annaberg-Buchholz. The town is in Erzgebirge, and silver is found in the mountains by the miners. About huguenots in Sachsen: http://www.hugenotten.de/htm_ger/geschi.html but your town is not mentioned by Jochen Desel und others. What family name are you looking for? Good luck. Friendly greetings Hanne Thorup Koudal, Denmark

Does anyone have any information about Paul and Mary Micou who came to Virginia in the 1700's? Perhaps Paul's wife had died or even refused to come with him and his daughter. I don't know her name. I also have no idea of Mary's age, but she must have been young when she arrived here. She was the widow of the wealthy Leonard Hill when she married Colonel Joshua Fry in, I believe, 1730. I would appreciate any help with this. Colleen

Mainly for Hanne Thorup Koudal What is the best way of tracing one of my ancestors who is said to have migrated from Monthelon, Department Marne to Bucholz [now, Annaberg-Bucholz] in Saxony - 1689ish ? Regards Martin Blignaut -- Martin moslins1@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html

Did your LA ROSE pass through Mannheim. I have some ROSE in Mannheim and the area Uckermark, Brandenburg (north of Berlin) in the small town Bergholz. I also have some from Frankenthal, Palatinate, who went to Prenzlau, Brandenburg. Hanne Thorup Koudal

Hallo, I´m researching the family LA ROSE- de la Rose-the first la Rose are born in France- from there they came to Magdeburg and Hannover. I´m interested in everybody with this name. Almut Völker

Hallo! Gibt es eine Liste der Mitglieder des Deutschen Hugenottenvereins und deren Vorfahren? Wer hat diese Liste? Is there a list of members of the German Hugenottenverein together with their ancestors available? How has such a list? Viele Grüße Martin

Greetings I have several families in the South West of England whom I believe to be of Huguenot/Walloon origin. The lack of Huguenot records in this part of the world make it all but impossible to prove any connections. I had not realised that Nicholas was also a possible Huguenot family. My Nicholas ancestors are around Penryn and Falmouth in Cornwall which would make sense as a port of entry. It would also explain why I have not found any early C16 records. Thank you for this enlightenment. John Ritchings

Thanks so much, Andrea, for your detailed reply to my request for information about the Nicholas family mentioned by John Peters. I have been blessed with seven replies to date, all illustrating what a very good list this is to be on. One gave me the specific information I asked for from the book but not the background Andrea gave. Two others promised to send it soon and one other was from a NZ librarian who felt I had maligned library staff ( which I apologise for doing), saying her University library's copy had been stolen. Another told me about two websites where I could buy the book secondhand and another about a book called "French Huguenots" by Dr Lavender, an American, which has a map of France in 1598 showing where places Hugs. could worship were then. It appears from Peters' book that a Nicholas family probably did live in Flanders for some time. Samuel Smiles ( considered by some unreliable) wrote that there was an ancient family of the name in Brittany, one of whom settled in Cornwall and started a line there. Grace Lawless Lee wrote that one well-known Nicholas soldier in Ireland who fought in Flanders came from the Saintonge area in south-west France. It seems likely therefore that Nicolas is a French surname found in different parts of France which seems to apply to several other of my Huguenot or Walloon names found in Ireland ie. Clements, De la Hay, Nelis, and Cottin. Thanks to every one on the list who responded so quickly and especially Andrea, Regards Barbara.

Dear Barbara, I work in a library and we wouldn't throw out or sell a book such as this because it needs mending!! Someone has nicked our copy of "A Family from Flanders" unfortunately, or I could check it for you. Maybe that's what has happened at your public library too. Jeanette > Is there someone reading this who is lucky enough to own a copy of John > Peter's 1985 book "A Family from Flanders"? If so, would you mind looking > up the reference to a NICHOLAS (surname) family on page 108, and letting > me know what it says about them? > > I read this book a few years ago when there were lots of copies in our NZ > suburban libraries ( and copied then the list of names at the back with > page references ) . Now I can't find a copy in my area, presumably > because libraries throw out or sell books where the binding is coming > loose. > >WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > Have you submitted your surnames for our list web site? > To do so will make your names accessible to others on the Web. > For more info, contact Andrea (list admin)at andreav@island.net. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Hi, everyone -- This is in reply to Barbara who asked about the reference to NICOLAS on pg. 108 of John Peter's book, A Family from Flanders. Barbara, I'm happy to help you out with this. To provide some context, I've included most of the preceeding paragraph on pg. 107 as well the paragraph following the one with the NICOLAS reference on pg. 108. For those who are unfamiliar with Peters' book, the location he speaks of is Kent, England. Many Walloons and/or Huguenots settled in that area beginning in the mid 1500s. The Walloon or Strangers' Church was given space in the crypt of Canterbury Cathedral where services continue to the present day. (from pg 107) "It is a noticeable feature of Belgian life to this day that within a certain circle, everyone knows a great deal about everyone else. When I came to construct a web of related Walloon families living in Canterbury in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, I got the impression that it was a small world in more ways than one....I found...from the registers of the Walloon congregation that there was a nexus of some thirty or forty families which seemed to take the lead. They provided most of the elders and deacons; they married off their sons and daughters within the circle, and witnessed each other's contracts and baptisms. The names of certain individuals from these families cropped up with great frequency over periods of time. ......some of these were families which could be traced moving from particular towns in Flanders to end up in Canterbury or in London, some of them stopping on the way for half or the whole of a generation in other Walloon communities which also sprang up in France and in the northern provinces of the Netherlands. (from pg 108) The network of related families is illustrated in the appendix. Among those families of special interest to me are the CARON, CAULLET, DE LA FORTERIE, DE LILLERS, DE VILLERS, DE NEW, DE SANTHUNS, DE WINDE, DES BOUVERIES, DES MARETS, DORNION, DU BOIS, DE QUESNE, FREMAUT, GALMAR, GUESQUIER, LOMBART, MAUROIS, NICOLAS, OGIER, RICARD, ROUSSEL, SIX. Anyone who is used to surnames from the north of France will notice at once that most of the names in this list are very common: how then is it possible to identify individuals? Often it is possible with the aid of an overall web or matrix of the sort I have described; and if people connected in the 1590s or early 1600s in Canterbury can be related to a previous generation in Flanders, then the odds in favour of establishing a genuine link, and against mere coincidence, are high." For anyone researching in Kent or even elsewhere in England, I recommend this book highly. It's readable and provides very good historical context. Unfortunately, though, it was originally published in 1985 and is now out of print. However, you may be able to find used copies on websites such as http://www.abebooks.com/ or http://www.bookfinder.com/. The Peters' book has been discussed on this list before. For example, with the permission of Mr. Peters' widow, I posted the entire surname index in several posts in January 2000. These and other references to the book can be found by using our searchable archives. If you don't know how to access our list archives, info is here on our website: http://www.island.net/~andreav/archives.htm. Barbara, I hope the above quote gives you some useful info. It's too bad that Peters provided no further reference to NICOLAS even though, as he said, the name was of special interest to him. Regards, Andrea

Is there someone reading this who is lucky enough to own a copy of John Peter's 1985 book "A Family from Flanders"? If so, would you mind looking up the reference to a NICHOLAS (surname) family on page 108, and letting me know what it says about them? I read this book a few years ago when there were lots of copies in our NZ suburban libraries ( and copied then the list of names at the back with page references ) . Now I can't find a copy in my area, presumably because libraries throw out or sell books where the binding is coming loose. I am planning to go to Flanders soon and would like to know about any places where my NICHOLAS family (in Northern Ireland) may have come from. Barbara Holt in New Zealand

Hi Martin, Thanks for your response and the interesting note on the possible origin of the name Delaune. I find it interesting that I can find quite a bit of information on Gideon and Guillaume Delaune in England but nothing in France where they were born. They were supposedly born in Reims (Rheims) and fled in 1572 because of the St. Bartholomew massacre (my opinion since the year was the same). I have seen references to their being a "noble family from Normandy" but if that were the case I suspect they would be easier to trace in France. Guillaume was a Walloon minister and physician and Gideon became an apothecary to Queen Anne. I also have one blank spot in Ireland that is so far unprovable (except for all of the "it is saids..") I've been away from the research for awhile for personal reasons but am ready to attack the mystery again now. I thought the French connection would not be so difficult to find with all of the published details but so far....I was hoping for a connection to the artist Etienne as he too fled France in 1572 (to Strasborg) in response to his Protestant beliefs (or so I've read) but no luck there either. I do have one interesting connection. Gideon married Judith Chamberlain (layne. len. etc.) (many different spellings are found as are Delaune, Delawne etc.) whose brother was the well known physician Peter Chamberlain. I have been wondering lately if the two families fled together as the dates of leaving are the same but Gideon and Judith would have been children - but I guess the families could have been life-long friends... It's all very interesting and one of the Gideon descendants (there are at least four named Gideons and I'm trying to lock down the one who went to Ireland and fathered Thomas Delany but it has been unprovable so far - except oral family histories etc. So the mystery persists and I'm ready to fight the battle again but it may be a lifelong futile effort. More than one book has been written stating this as fact in the Dulaney family line but have not offered any documentation that I know of and without that it remains in the realm of a "story". Thank you again for your input. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin" <moslins1@fastmail.fm> To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:36 AM Subject: Delaune > Hi Barbara > > > There are some Delaune[s] from the 1500s on GeneaNet, but the Christian > names you are interested in are not evident. You might be interested in > the following information from a Fench site on the origin of surnames > [poorly translated from the French by me]: > > The Delaune[s] are numerous in Normandy [76] and in the Centre[36] > The name designates someone who lives in a place called "The Aulne" > [l'Aulne] or who comes from there. There is also a rare variant, > "Delaulne," which is found mostly in the Marne and in the West[53,36] > > Best wishes > Martin. > -- > Martin > moslins1@fastmail.fm > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web >

Hi Barbara There are some Delaune[s] from the 1500s on GeneaNet, but the Christian names you are interested in are not evident. You might be interested in the following information from a Fench site on the origin of surnames [poorly translated from the French by me]: The Delaune[s] are numerous in Normandy [76] and in the Centre[36] The name designates someone who lives in a place called "The Aulne" [l'Aulne] or who comes from there. There is also a rare variant, "Delaulne," which is found mostly in the Marne and in the West[53,36] Best wishes Martin. -- Martin moslins1@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web