Hi Jean Tosti's views on the origin of the surname TOUCHARD may be roughly translated as follows: TOUCHARD - name that is found in the Sarthe [also in 86,37] TOUCHART [60,61] is a variation There are two possible origins: either...[someone who guides draught oxen] or a toponym derived from "touche" [hedge/copse,bush] Morlet suggests that it is a nickname for an aggressive and/or violent man. 86=Vienne 37=Indre et Loire 60=Oise 16=Charente I hope that I haven't missed any subtleties! Martin Blignaut -- Martin moslins1@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different…

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Hi Mainly for Suzie Morley You are fortunate in having so much information available about the possible origins of TOUCHARD. I won't attempt to translate from the French as I'm sure you will soon have no shortage of English versions available to you. However, I did look up the name on: http://www.geneanet.org There are 50 pages of Touchard entries - a brief look seemed to indicate that many of the early ones were indeed from Sarthe and Mayenne. Apparently, Sarthe and Mayenne were formed, after the French Revolution, from part of the Province of Maine: so you at least have a geographical locus for your research. There is also a TOUCHARD forum on Geneanet. There are about 5 messages - all in French. However, they may not be of interest to you as they seem mostly to concern a TOUCHARD conection with the French island of Reunion. Best wishes Martin Blignaut ps. I hope this pleases you as I wouldn't care to awaken any violent and aggressive genes! -- Martin moslins1@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin

Hallo Listers, I have managed to collect all the information published in the HugSoc volumes on the Touchards and am now stuck trying to find out where in France they originated from. Martins email prompted me to have a look for my Touchards in here http://jeantosti.com/noms/a.htm and this is the result. "Touchard - Nom porté dans la Sarthe (également 86, 37). Variante : Touchart (60, 16). Deux possibilités : soit un toucheur de boeufs (celui qui conduit les boeufs de labour), soit un toponyme dérivé de touche (= bosquet, buisson). M.T. Morlet propose aussi un surnom pour un homme agressif, violent." I understand some of the words, but the subtleties escape me and I wonder if some kind person could translate for me, and tell me if there is any indication of place of origin? Many Thanks, Suzie Morley -----Original Message----- There is another: http://jeantosti.com/noms/a.htm It's in French, but if you click on the initial [in the long rectangular box] of the surname in which you are interested, you might find the results useful.

Hi Fellow Researchers, I am researching the name CUPPLES which family legend says is from French Huguenot, out of Ireland. I've been unable to trace anything positive so now I'm guessing. On searching H-W-E archives I find that in the year 2004 on the 27th June, Tony Fuller posted a list of names taken from the Wandsworth Burial Ground - Mount Nod which included the name CUPIL. I think this is our name but I'm wondering if anybody else has any information about the name or the burial ground or where else I'm likely to find more. Regards, Coral (CUPPLES in NZ)

Hi, This has probably been mentioned before but I've just found out that there is a museum of immigration in London at 19 Princelet Street off Brick Lane in Spitalfields. It is situated in the 1719 house of Huguenot master silk weaver and merchant Peter Ogier. It has a synagogue built over the backyard from the next wave of immigrants but apparently the attics are untouched with long windows to let in the light for the weavers. As it's short of money, it needs to be viewed by appointment usually. I imagine descendants of the Ogier family in particular would be very interested. Sue

Hello Petrus, I apologise for not making myself clear, I was offering to let Marc have an original copy of the aforesaid book for him to copy and put on the internet. As you can see for the messages whizzing about the ether he will obtain his own copy and presumably make that available to all. Regards Simon Le Maréchal -----Original Message----- From: huguenots-walloons-europe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:huguenots-walloons-europe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Petrus Fourie Sent: 28 October 2006 10:31 To: huguenots-walloons-europe@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HWE] Photofacsimile of De Felice's History of TheProtestantsOfFrance Good day Simon, Can you please send me a copy please. Thanks in advance. Kind regards Petrus Fourie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Le Marechal" <slem@mailbox.co.uk> To: <marc@noumenal.com>; <huguenots-walloons-europe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [HWE] Photofacsimile of De Felice's History of The ProtestantsOfFrance Hello, I have a copy of "Otto Zoff's" The Huguenots " Fighters for God and Human Freedom" published in 1943 but written much earlier. I would be willing to send this copy to you should you wish to copy and publish on the web for all to read. Let me know if you are interested. Regards Simon Le Maréchal -----Original Message----- From: huguenots-walloons-europe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:huguenots-walloons-europe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marc Demarest Sent: 26 October 2006 15:02 To: huguenots-walloons-europe@rootsweb.com; Huguenot-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWE] Photofacsimile of De Felice's History of The Protestants OfFrance ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey Tony, I have several records of TARRYs involved in the Vintners Company in the mid 1600s. As an aside, I also have an ancestor who was a doctor in Aleepo, Syria in the early 1700s. He worked for a trading company referred to as the "English Factory" that was involved in the silk trade. But I don't recall the exact name of the company. Just more of my circumstantial evidence. regards, Shane > From: "fuller.tony" <fuller.tony@wanadoo.fr> > Date: 2006/10/28 Sat PM 12:14:24 EDT > To: <huguenots-walloons-europe@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [HWE] Occupations > > Hi Shane > > Lots of Huguenots went into the wine trade and many had links with the East > India Company, the French and Irish brandy firms etc, as well as working as > wine merchants in the major cities. A good example of this sort of family > is the Delamain family, who had links with Hine and Martell in Ireland and > France (all intermarried) and for what it's worth, Delamain brandy is still > one of the finest made - it ain't cheap but like many of the Delamains, it > is very fine. > > Many would have been members of the Vintners Company but may have had links > with the inn keepers through familial ties or trade ties as the Companies > became more a social thing than a trade thing as there were several > Inn/Victuallers Associations around. > > Regards > > Tony Fuller > Huguenot Trails > 24220 Berbiguieres > France > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Shane Lots of Huguenots went into the wine trade and many had links with the East India Company, the French and Irish brandy firms etc, as well as working as wine merchants in the major cities. A good example of this sort of family is the Delamain family, who had links with Hine and Martell in Ireland and France (all intermarried) and for what it's worth, Delamain brandy is still one of the finest made - it ain't cheap but like many of the Delamains, it is very fine. Many would have been members of the Vintners Company but may have had links with the inn keepers through familial ties or trade ties as the Companies became more a social thing than a trade thing as there were several Inn/Victuallers Associations around. Regards Tony Fuller Huguenot Trails 24220 Berbiguieres France

Hi Val There was a large and diverse Huguenot community in Woolwich and they had their own church. Although the information about the church is recorded, as far as I know the church records have been missing for many years. Many members of the community were involved in ship and boat building but it seems you'll need more information to prove the link. Regards Tony Fuller

Good day Simon, Can you please send me a copy please. Thanks in advance. Kind regards Petrus Fourie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Le Marechal" <slem@mailbox.co.uk> To: <marc@noumenal.com>; <huguenots-walloons-europe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [HWE] Photofacsimile of De Felice's History of The ProtestantsOfFrance Hello, I have a copy of "Otto Zoff's" The Huguenots " Fighters for God and Human Freedom" published in 1943 but written much earlier. I would be willing to send this copy to you should you wish to copy and publish on the web for all to read. Let me know if you are interested. Regards Simon Le Maréchal -----Original Message----- From: huguenots-walloons-europe-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:huguenots-walloons-europe-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marc Demarest Sent: 26 October 2006 15:02 To: huguenots-walloons-europe@rootsweb.com; Huguenot-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HWE] Photofacsimile of De Felice's History of The Protestants OfFrance

Tony, Interesting that you include wine merchants in Huguenot occupations. Were these people part of the Vintners Company? I have found that the VC had some control over innkeeping. And have found some references to non-English innkeepers in London. FWIW. regards, Shane > From: "fuller.tony" <fuller.tony@wanadoo.fr> > Date: 2006/10/27 Fri AM 11:40:57 EDT > To: <huguenots-walloons-europe@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [HWE] Occupations > > Hi Chloe > > Don't get too hung up about what Huguenots did for a living. When you look > through the analysis of the Quarto series volumes by place and occupations > there are dozens - my ancestors were wig makers, wine merchants, > haberdashers all sorts of things. And as with French names, the Huguenots > came from all walks of life so being a cooper, especially so long after the > Refuge, isn't at all odd. > > Regards > > Tony Fuller > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Val How many do you want? Common French name so in the Huguenot resources I have scanned, 153 hits in 34 different publications - allowing for repeats in index, over 100. And there are many many more in the French and Belgian Bulletin/Genealogie sources. Can you narrow the search a little, location etc? Regards Tony Fuller

Hi Shirley Can't see anything leaping out but there are so many illustrations in the 560 pages, the lack of index is making searching a pain. Anybody have ancestors from French speaking Switzerland? Another article is on Le Brevine and Chene Paquier, described as model Protestant church buildings. Returning to Shirley's query, I'm off to UK Monday so will go through the Bulletin whilst en route to mark up the pics, then I'll post a list when I get back in 2 weeks - food and wine parcels time to family! Regards Tony Fuller

Hi Tony Many thanks for this. Rgds Kevin fuller.tony wrote: >Hi Kevin > >Chaplin is one of those names of French origin - probably - that keeps >coming up in Huguenot research. There are only 13 references to the name in >any of the Hug Soc of GB's Quarto Series publications or other material that >I have and very few in the French records. > >I would have expected more, though there may be derivations and I'm sure >I've seen an article about Charlie Chaplin's supposed Huguenot ancestors. > >Regards > >Tony Fuller > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Thank you Tony. I am very vague on this. Have got the family back to a William Champion, a blacksmith, in Woolwich whose son John was baptised in the normal parish church in 1799. There are lots of other Champions around there at the time but have made no links. Researching in Woolwich I found that many families there were of Huguenot origin. My father once told me the family had come from France originally but knew no details. It sounds as if I am not going to get any further without more information. Thanks again. Val

I would be grateful if anyone can tell me if they have come across any CHAMPION references. Val

Hi Kevin Chaplin is one of those names of French origin - probably - that keeps coming up in Huguenot research. There are only 13 references to the name in any of the Hug Soc of GB's Quarto Series publications or other material that I have and very few in the French records. I would have expected more, though there may be derivations and I'm sure I've seen an article about Charlie Chaplin's supposed Huguenot ancestors. Regards Tony Fuller

Hi Janet Just a small correction first if I may - Cromwell died in 1658. His major offensive was against James Butler, 1st Duke of Ormond in 1649 when the Battle of Drogheda took place. So if your family were with Cromwell you're a hundred years back - if they went in the 1700s it wasn't with Cromwell though it may have been to fight for William III. There's very little in the majority of the Hug Soc of GB and Ireland's publications on the name CAMBIE though the name does appear quite extensively in the Society's records of the Norwich Walloon/Huguenot church (along with CAMBIER and CAMBIEU and others) some of which appear on familysearch.com. I've also checked through everything else from the Hug Soc and other sources that I have and there is little else on CAMBIE per se, even in the French sources. However, there is also the well known French/Huguenot name of CAMBIER and I would have thought that this is likely to be the origin of the name - CAMBIERs are well known in the Huguenot world and have been well researched, there are still Cambiers active in the Society today. Regards Tony Fuller