Hi Listers, Just wondered if the name "Pemmant" was familiar to anyone on this list. My 2nd Great Grandfather, William Pemmant was born in King's Lynn, England in 1831. It was suggested by someone on the Norfolk Mailing List that the name "Pemmant" might be French, thus making it a possibility that the Pemmants originally came from France during the war. Please let me know if the name is familiar to you. check out my homepage: http://kendallgenealogy.homepage.com Thanks, Mary (Kendall) Clouse ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Another great site is http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ This gives maps for around 1870-1890 and shows properties no longer on modern maps. I find it works better with Internet Explorer rather than Navigator. Only part of the map comes up on the screen, so you have to scroll around your screen. My trick, to see the whole map, is to "right click" on the map and choose "copy", then paste it into Publisher. You can also go North, South, East & West for the next map and then try joining them up in Publisher - clever stuff!! Cheers Brenda Adelaide South Australia

Hi, everyone -- For those of you researching in Ireland, the following website may be of interest. The Fianna Study Group for Irish Genealogy has a homepage which is: Fianna Guide to Irish Genealogy at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/index.html. I have included below a list of specific URLs for various sections on this site. One section lists Huguenot names in Ireland. These are the same surnames posted on this list a few months ago -- taken from the books by O'Hart and Smiles. So, they can be accessed either in our list archives or on the Fianna website. The rest of the Fianna site is not about Huguenots but it does contain a lot of useful information about researching in Ireland. From personal experience, I know that Irish research is not easy going -- it's completely different from UK research, for example, and then there is the matter of all those records destroyed by fire......where to turn for alternative info? Anyway, maybe this site will be of help. There is also interesting stuff re: Irish history as well as useful tips/links for research in Scotland, Wales, England, Canada, the US, etc. My thanks to Patrick Traynor of California (not a subscriber to this list) who sent me info about the Fianna site as well as the surnames from the O'Hart and Smiles books. Andrea Huguenot Surnames in Ireland: http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/surname/hug1.html Irish History and Timeline: http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/history/index.html or http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/irish/irhist.html Irish Counties and Helpful Addresses: http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/index.html Administrative Land Divisions of Ireland: http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/guide/land-div.html Irish Townland Maps at FHC's: http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/guide/towns.html The Revolution of 1798: http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/history/1798a.html Aftermath of the 1798 Revolution: http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/history/1798z.html "An Gorta Mor", The Great Hunger (Famine): http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/history/famine.html The Easter Rising of 1916: http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/history/east1916.html Tips for Research in Canada (includes links): http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/oc/canada/index.html Tips for Research in USA (includes links): http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/oc/usa/index.html Tips for Research in Australia and New Zealand (includes links): http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/oc/oznz/index.html"> Tips for Research in Wales (includes links): http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/oc/wales.html Tips for Research in England and UK (includes links): http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/oc/brit.html Tips for Research in Scotland (includes links): http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/oc/scot.html Tips for Ulster Scots, "Scotch-Irish", etc. Research (includes links): http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/oc/s-i.html END

Ooops -- there was a slight mistake in the URL I gave for the "parish locator" site on GENUKI in my previous post on UK map sites. The correct URL is: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/parloc/search.html. In other words, there should be a slash, not a dot, after "parloc". Andrea

Hello to the list -- for those of you who are interested in maps of specific areas in the UK, including London street maps, I hope the following will be of use. I am not advocating/recommending any of the following sites but merely letting you know they are out there. Most are free but where there is a cost involved, I have said so. If anyone knows of similar sites which provide good maps for European countries, I hope they will post to the list. Enjoy! Andrea 1) UK Street Map Page at http://www.streetmap.co.uk This is a site which will supply you with a map for any UK place, London Street, or UK English postal code (free). It has street maps for greater London and road atlas maps for all of "mainland Britain". Shows aerial photos of some locations. 2) Multimap.com Page is at http://uk8.multimap.com/map/places.cgi . This is described as an "interactive atlas" (which I think means you can zoom in closer on areas of interest) for British towns, cities, villages, also for London streets and UK post codes. Free. 3) The Society of Genealogists in London has a web site where you can order (ie. purchase) UK parish maps online (note: these are for parishes). The URL there is: http://www.sog.org.uk/acatalog/SoG_Bookshop_Online_Parish_Maps_235.html. The Society of Genealogists also has an online Bookshop which is at: http://www.sog.org.uk/bookshop/ but, the last time I looked, I was disappointed to find just one book listed on Huguenots. 4) UK Ordnance Survey Maps are available for purchase online at three different URLs: http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk or http://www.rallymap.demon.co.uk or http://www.ordsvy.gov.uk/home/index.html . The first URL above has a good explanation of what Ordnance Survey maps are. The third URL above is a UK government site and it does have some "free downloadable mapping of Great Britain" as well as "free historical maps". 5) Here is a another (free) site which may be useful if you want to find out what UK parishes are nearby to one(s) you are interested in. It's called the "parish locator" site and it's for help in locating parishes which are adjacent, contiguous, or outward in concentric circles to a particular parish of interest. This can be helpful if ancestors suddenly disappeared from a particular parish and you want to know where to look next -- it's reasonable, in this case, to start with the parishes which are nearby. This is part of the GENUKI (Genealogy in the UK and Ireland) site and the URL there is: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/parloc.search.html. END

Listers, On 10 July, Dave Seaney < DL7715@aol.com > said -- < I'm new to this list and would like to ask you all what research book would be best to purchase.> This is a really good question yet, at the same time, it's a difficult one to answer. The "best book" for one person may not be for another person. For one thing, geographical interests may be different. Or the levels of expertise may not be the same -- ie. what is useful for the "newbie" may not be for someone who has spent years with their genealogical research. There is certainly a wide variety of books available. For example, if you go to the URL for the Genealogy Forum Huguenot Resources Center at: http://www.genealogyforum.com/gfaol/resource/Huguenot/index.htm, you will find a list of dozens and dozens of book titles. There is a specific page there which includes a Huguenot Reading List at: http://www.genealogyforum.com/gfaol/resource/Huguenot/hug0008.htm. There are some other interesting features on this website so it is well worth checking out. If a particular book looks like it might be want you want but you're not sure whether you should buy it -- and it's often hard to tell just from the titles, without having a browse through the book itself -- your local library may have a copy or be able to get one for you through inter-library loan. Andrea

I think the Walloon Church of Canterbury IGI listing has been updated recently as I have traced my Walloon abcestors back two more generations today: Next time I am back in teh UK I will try to look up the books recommened before: THE WALLOON COMMUNITY IN CANTERBURY IN THE LATE 16TH AND EARLY 17TH CENTURIES by Margaret D. Fisher 1913 THE FLEMISH AND WALLOON COMMUNITIES AT SANDWICH DURING THE REIGN OF ELIZABETH I 1561-1603 by Marcel F. Backhouse Can anyone suggest any sources that would be useful or does anyone know anything about the Danbrine or D'Anbrinne surname and/or the Le Clers and how they got to Canterbury or for that matter England? Many Thanks Chris Cork Antoine LE GRAND = Marie LE CLER | Abraham LE GRAND = Elizabeth DANBRINE c. 23 June 1650 Walloon Church, Canterbury | Abraham LE GRAND = Elizabeth KNOWLER c. 29 Jun 1692 Walloon Church Canterbury m 26 Nov 1719 St Alphage, Canterbury, Kent d 19 Jan 1742 b Herne Kent | (1) Dr. Stephen LE GRAND = Martha ALTREE c. 1720 St Alphage, Canterbury M.B. Pemroke College, Cambridge 1744, son of Abraham LE GRAND (Gent.) m 4 May 1747 St Clement Danes, Westminster d 26 Nov 1759 (2) Elizabeth LE GRAND = William FORGE c. 1721 St Alphage, Canterbury (3) Mary LE GRAND = Captain Edward Lord CHICK c. 12 Oct 1723 St Alphage, Canterbury m. 14 Aug 1752 Old Charlton, St Luke, Kent

The Huguenot Society has published transcripts of the registers of the main Dublin Church which was a chapel within St Patrick's Cathedral.and at Goldblac Street. (One of my relations has been reported as married in the Cathedral, which sounds far Grander than in a chapel - and not incorrect as it happens) Ron Dobrée dobree@one-name.org

>From time to time people request information about the Huguenots who settled in Ireland. Recently received a catalog from Genealogical Publishing Co. 1001 N. Calvert St. Baltimore, Maryland 21202-3897 U.S.A. ph toll free from within U.S. 1-800-296-6687 or l-410-837-8271 I buy books from this company from time to time and they have a good collection of Irish books. The book is: The Trail of the Huguenots - in Europe, U.S., South Africa and Canada by George Elmore Reaman It tells of the great exodus of Huguenots from France at the end of the 17th century and of their subsequent dispersal to places as widespread as the U.S. Canada, South Africa and Europe. It is supposedly the first coherent account of the Huguenot Dispersal. The largest section, comprising over half of the book is devoted to the Huguenots and their direct descendants in the U.S. and Canada, and an Appendix contains the names of 100s of Huguenot immigrants with the dates and places of their arrival. The book also contains a list of English surnames of French derivation, additions and corrections by Milton Rubincam, and an index of names and places other than those mentioned in the genealogies and appendices. Hope this will help some on the list. I do not have the book because I don't have an Huguenot ancestors but it sounded like an interesting book for those of you who do. I am not endorsing the book since I am not familiar with it, but thought some of you might find it interesting. Donna

Following the thread on churches... I was wondering if anyone would have ancestors or relatives being Huguenots but were baptised, married, etc at St Mary, Marylebone which is apparently not a huguenot church? Can anyone tell me more about this church as my ancestors have been married and baptised there. PALLIER/DePALLIER - Jean Joseph and John Joseph (his son) and John's four kids. One being married to a WATSON and other to a WILLOCKS. Any tiny info or connection, please contact me, I'm getting desperate now! Nothing for so long and am tryin to work out what I should be going next, smiles. Thanks, Darlene.

Hi, fellow listers, For those of you who are fluent in French, the following information may be of interest. All of it is specifically for research in France. Bear in mind, however, that these resources are not centred on Huguenot or Walloon research. But this should, hopefully, not prevent you from trying to find clues about Huguenot or Walloon ancestors via this route. First, the Association Française de Généalogie (AFG) has a web site at: http://www.afg-2000.org. The site is written in French -- there are no other language choices. The AFG also sponsors a total of 96 mailing lists for many different regions of France. The language of these lists is French. Details and descriptions of these lists can be found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_country-fra.html . This location is on one page of John Fuller's site, Genealogy Resources on the Internet, at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/internet.html . Also included there are 15 other mailing lists not sponsored by AFG in which there is some choice of language in which messages are written (eg. French, English and Spanish). Go to the first URL above for full descriptions/details of these 15 lists. Good luck. Andrea

Seeking any information on Huguenots "escaping" to Germany, esp. named EUDES or similar George Ude geoude@usit.net.

Hi, Marilyn I know that some French Huguenots went to Ireland. When I visited Eire a few years ago, I saw the remains of Huguenot churches in more than one city/town, and occasionally there would be a street called "Huguenot" street/road/alley, etc. In my own family (my maternal grandfather's ancestors) there was a Huguenot ancestor called Charles DeAzeley who migrated from France to Co. Fermanagh in Northern Ireland. I have no confirmation of this except for family oral tradition, and no dates - unfortunately. Good luck with your search. Cheers! Betty Marilyn wrote: > and also if any French Protestant Exiles went to > Ireland. > Any help would be appreciated. > Many thanks, Marilyn, Ontario > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > Be a participating subscriber! Post your surname interests often. > Once a month is about right, or more often if you have new details. > Address your post to HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Hi Andrea and Listers: Thank you for your warm welcome to the List. I hope I am in the right place, but will let you decide after you have seen my information. My earliest ancestor HENRI DE RAMPLIN had a son who married a Sarah Field from Dublin, Ireland. From then downwards De Ramplin has been the family name, often the second name of the eldest son. One of my cousins has a letter stating that De Ramplin was anglicized from DE RAMBOUILLET. In some information on French Protestant Exiles we have found an ANTHONY GIDEON DE RAMBOUILLLET and his brother CHARLES WILLIAM (married to ANNE DE PRATT DU CLAREAU.There was also a MARIE HENRIETTE DE RAMBOUILLET who was the second wife of LOUIS CHEVALLEAU, SEIGNEUR DE BOISRAGON. As I have no dates to back up HENRI DE RAMPLIN, I was wondering if anyone is familiar with these names, and also if any French Protestant Exiles went to Ireland. Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks, Marilyn, Ontario

I am not familiar with the areas of London that you have been talking about, but my Gt grandfather Galley was born in what is referred to as Blackwall(on his marriage cert) and his brother is listed as being born in Poplar, and therefore it is said that they are Cockneys. Born within the sound of the Bow Bells church. Are the churches that you have been talking about in this area? I am still tracing my Galley name in Kent and can't really enter the discussions until I can go back in time a bit further,but it would be interesting to know about the area. Regards Jim

Listers -- here's something interesting I have discovered to add to info already known about the Threadneedle Street Church in London. On the LDS web site (www.familysearch.org), listings for records of the Threadneedle Street Church are cross-referenced with another London church, called St. Bartholomew by the (Royal) Exchange which also seems to have been known as St. Bartholomew the Less Church. There is no explanation given for this cross-referencing but I can only guess that members of the Threadneedle St. congregation also, at times, attended St. Bartholomew's (which was Church of England, ie. Anglican), especially once assimilation had begun. So, anyone knowing of ancestors who attended Threadneedle might want to also check the records of St. Bartholomew's. Here are the records listed for St. Bartholomew's on the LDS site -- 1) St. Batholomew's Parish registers 1558-1840. Original manuscripts are in the Guildhall Library, London. Has also been filmed by LDS, as follows -- Film # 374423 -- Baptisms, marriages, burials 1558-1737 Film # 374424 -- Baptisms 1723-1810, 1813-1840 Marriages 1723-1840 Burials 1723-1838 Banns 1754-1840 Film # 568047 -- Baptisms, marriages, burials 1814-1831 Notes with this listing seem to indicate that St. Batholomew's has, at some point, been "united" with the Church of St. Margaret Lothbury. No further info known about this but perhaps this is another church to also check. 2) St. Bartholomew's Bishop's Transcripts (BT's),1800-1812. Original manuscript held at the Guildhall Library, London. Also on LDS film # 396217. 3) Historical notices of the Church of St. Bartholomew-by-the-Royal-Exchange compiled by Henry GWYN, partially indexed. Microfilm of original manuscript located at the Guildhall Library in London. The contents include: Register transcripts of St. Bartholomew (the Less), baptisms,1558-1711; miscellaneous notes; marriages, burials, 1558-1711; monumental inscriptions and church notes; rectors and benefactors, etc. Also on LDS film # 535704. 4) Book: On the parish books of St. Margaret-Lothbury, St. Christopher-le-Stocks, and St. Bartholomew-by-the-Exchange, in the city of London by Edwin FRESHFIELD. Microfilm copy located at the Society of Genealogists in London. Also on LDS film # 454060. 5) The Vestry minute books of the parish of St. Bartholomew Exchange in the city of London, 1567-1676, edited by Edwin FRESHFIELD, published: London, Rixon and Arnold, 1890,135 pgs. Also on LDS film # 454058. 6) St. Bartholomew's is also cross-referenced in these listings to yet another church -- that of St. Martin Orgar French Protestant Church of Martin Lane, Cannon Street, London with the added comment "afterwards at Threadneedle Street". Which possibly means that this church was merged with the congregation at Threadneedle Street at some point. Records for St. Martin Orgar include births & baptisms 1690-1762 and marriages 1698-1751. Also on LDS film # 466709. Hope this is of interest to our Threadneedle researchers. Andrea

Hello to all on the list -- This is in response to a post on July 12 from Robert Adair <robertadair@btinternet.com> re: surnames MERILLION & MEURRILION, particularly in the Fens area of England (eg. Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire, Norfolk, etc.) I believe that there about half a dozen posts in the list archives which mention this surname but always with spellings MORILLON, MORILON, MORILLION which I am assuming to be variants. To access these posts in the list archives, please go to this URL: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl , where you can type in the name of the list and then each of the spelling variants MORILLON, MORILON, MORILLION as key words. I particularly remember that this surname was mentioned in a post on 27 February with subject line: Sandtoft Chapel & Community, Lincolnshire, ENG. When first names Isaac and Abraham are used fairly consistently throughout generations, my feeling is that it is a fairly reliable indicator that the origins of that family were Huguenot or Walloon. However, I have no objective evidence to back this up. It might be a good idea to check the records of the Walloon church at Norwich to see if the surnames MERILLON and/or MORILLON and their variants pop up there. This is in Volume 1 of the Quarto series published by the Huguenot Society of London (The Walloons and their Church at Norwich, their History and Register, 1565-1832.) There is also at least one book that I know of on the subject of Huguenots/Walloons in the Lincolnshire area. That book is "Strangers in the Fens: Huguenot/Walloon communities at Thorney, Parson Drove, Guyhim and Sandtoft, and some adherants." by Trevor BEVIS, published in 1983, 42 pages long. The ISBN is 0901680206. Hope this helps. Andrea

Mary MERILION was christened 4 Jun 1814 at Deeping St James("DSJ"), Lincolnshire to parents John MERILION and mother Elizabeth. John MERILLION was christened 28 March 1785 also at DSJ to parents Abraham MERILLION and Mary. It seems quite likely to me that this (rare in England )name derives from the name MEURILLON, which based on the IGI is encountered from the early 1600s at the Strangers Canterbury Church and later the Threadneedle Street Huguenot Church. Also various Christian names e.g Isaac and Abraham, etc occur in both places and in Lincs. I have also heard that quite a few Huguenots settled in the Fens e.g. parts of Lincs, Norfolk and Cambridgeshire at the time these areas were drained in the late1600s/ early 1700s and brought into agricultural production. I would be interested to know if there are any books anyone knows of relating to the Huguenots settling in the fens and if anyone knows more about the MERILION/MEURILLON family, especially their possible Huguenot /Walloon origins, or can give me some pointers on this. Regards Robert Adair Derbyshire

This message is for Chris < Wyndstrm@aol.com > or anyone else who is wondering if their surnames of interest are in the John Peters' book (A Family from Flanders) which has been mentioned recently. As I mentioned in my July 6 message to the list -- with subject line: "John Peters' book: A Family from Flanders" -- previous posts to H-W-E in mid-January include the *entire index* of surnames in the Peters book. So it is not necesary to have a copy of the book to see if your surnames are there. Much easier to check the index in our archives. As I outlined in my July 6 post, here is how to access those posts in the archives -- "....you can either go to the threaded archives for January (there weren't any glitches happening there at the time!) at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/Huguenots-Walloons-Europe-L or go to the Searchable archives at: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl , first typing in the name of the list and then the key words: John Peters." Even if your surnames are not in the book's index, I still recommend the book as a very interesting read. I once borrowed a copy from my local library. You may be able to do the same. Good luck. Andrea

So odd how things happen. I was reading your msg (scanning) when I went back and looked at those surnames and said to myself "Maybe so---" Elsje Jans(e) Van Woggelum b 1665 in Brooklyn NY m aout 1684 to Yellis Ingart b Feb. 1, 1652 Netherlands. Child: Charles b about 1696. I am descended from the Van Woggeum family and when I was copying this I remember they gave several ways of spelling Yellis' surname. What do you think? Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: <Wyndstrm@aol.com> To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [HWE] Family From Flanders, by John Peters > Hello List Members: > > I tried my darndest to purchase one of John Peters Flanders Books, but the > two remaining copies advertised were both gone by the time I sent my order in > for them.:( At least I was notified they were sold..that was nice or I would > have been waiting.. > > If anyone has a copy of this book and can let me know if the name Enjart > or ENYEART, ENYAERT, ENYART, ENYARD, ENGARD, ENGART, INIART, INNIART, > UNGAAARD, ENJARDT, etc. are listed, ENYEARTS go back to a birth date of > around 1624 from Flanders and supposedly fled, being some connection to Louis > XIV. CAREL ENJARDT was listed as p[assenger on the DUTCH SHIP CONCORD, also > known as the DeENDRACHT, which arrived from Flanders to the New Netherlands > in 1664. He arrived with 34 other passengers, his wife, not named, a son, > Yellis, 12, a younger son, 8 (unnamed)and a daughter, 4.(unnamed) I'd love > to know in what context or to obtain a copy. If anyone wants to sell their > copy, I'd be interested in purchasing it! Please let me know @ > Wyndstrm@aol.com. Thank you! > > Sincerely, > > Chris Ottoson > > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > Be a participating subscriber! Post your surname interests often. > Once a month is about right, or more often if you have new details. > Address your post to HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >