Hello there -- Here are the results of the look-up for surname SIX and variants from the records of the French church at Thorpe-le-Soken, Essex, ENG which was requested on 7 Aug by Hugh <HDELMAR@aol.com >. First, though, I must mention that the extracts seemed a bit familiar when I was copying them from the records (ie. on LDS film # 0962137) and I had a feeling that I had possibly recorded them all before. But I wasn't sure so I kept at it. When I got home and checked -- sure enough -- I found that I had indeed extracted the records from this source for this surname. They were posted to the list on 29 Apr with the subject line: SIX surname > Thorpe-le-Soken, Essex, ENG. However, I also found out something important, ie. I thought I had been thorough the first time but it turned out that I had overlooked some entries. This illustrates very nicely how important it is to *always* re-check and verify records yourself to see if anything was omitted or recorded wrongly. Here are the "missing" entries -- 1691 Sep 24 (Mort) Est decedée Marie, ff. de Pierre LE FEBVRE et de Marie SIX, agée de 3 mois ou environ. Dec. en la par. de Kirby et enterée le 25 en la par. de Thorp. H. MESTAYER, Min. 1691 Oct 1 (Bapt) Jean, f. de Louis GILBERT et de Susanne MORILLON. P.: Jean SIX. M.: Marie MORILLON. Né à Kirby le 16 Aoust. H. MESTAYER, Min. 1693 Oct 8 (Bapt) Louis, f. de Louis GILBERT et de Susanne MORILLON, de la par. de Kirby. P.: Mr. Samuel RONDEL. M.: Marie MORILLON, femme de Jean SIX. Né le 26 Septembre. H. MESTAYER, Ministre. 1696 Nov 22 (Bapt) Rachel, ff. de Pierre LE FEBVRE et de Marie SIX, de la par. de Kirby. P.: Jean PLANC. MM.: Dame Jeanne LANGAIGNE et Madelene PLANC, sa fille. Née le (blanc) dud. mois. H. MESTAYER, Min. A last comment -- the Thorpe records showed no listing in the index for variants SAYE, SAY, SEY, SEE, SIE, SEA and SY. Hope this info has been helpful. Best to all, Andrea

I just rec'd this from the Virginia mailing list and noticed the "witness" Peter Bilboos and thought I'd seen this surname on this list before ?? DEED 20 AUG 1728 JOSEPH BINGLEY OF KING WILLIAM PARISH, OF GOOCHLAND CO., TO DANIEL GARON JR OF SAME, FOR L 25 LAND IN MANAKIN TOWN, 44 ACRES, BOUNDED BY THE RIVER, JACOB CAPOON,ISAAC PARENTOE, WITH ALL HOUSES ETC. WIT: PETER DEPP, JOHN PAYNE, GEORGE PAYNE, LIVERY AND SEIZIN WITNESSED BY PETER SOBLET, PETER BILBOOS RECORDED 20 AUG 1728 JUDITH WIFE OF JOSEPH BINGLEY RELINQUISHED HER DOWER RIGHT. Marty Graybill ================================================= http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/r/a/Marty-Graybill/index.html ================================================= "Sometimes I eat the bear, sometimes it eats me" =================================================

According to the IGI (International Genealogical Index found at http://www.familysearch.org ) , ANTONY HANCHARD married a MARY DUPONT on 8 April 1705 at Saint Dunstan, Stepney. Further information on the IGI suggests that ANTOINE HANCHARD and MARIE had 6 children christened at the church Mike mentioned, Saint Jean French Huguenot, Spitalfields between 1706 and 1723 and another christened at Bell Lane and Browns Lane and Marche Church French Huguenot, Stepney London. That should start you off with the St. Jean's connection, I hope. The IGI isn't proof positive, but it might provide a good start for you. I didn't try any further generations - I'll let you try that out yourself on the IGI. Mike has asked a lot of questions, but rather than answering them all (which I can't!), I would like to point him towards a good starting point - Cyndi's List. There's a dearth of Huguenot history available on-line, much of it listed on Cyndi's List. Go to http://www.cyndislist.com and then page down until you see the heading "Huguenot". There is a lot of information listed that will answer many of your questions about Huguenot history. Two questions I can answer fairly quickly are about the Huguenot hospital and La Providence. They are one in the same. In 1716 a piece of ground 'contiguous to the Pest Houses on the south side by St. Luke's parish' in a lane (later called Bath Street, City Road) leading from Old Street to Islington, was purchased and a buidling was erected for the care of the poor, sick and elderly. By 1760. the hospital (La Providence) sheltered 234 poor people. It was moved to Victoria Park, Hackney in 1865. It was moved again to Compton's Lea near Horsham, Sussex circa 1935 and finally to Rochester, Kent in 1960. The current hospital in Kent has 39 flats and provides sheltered housing for elderly people of proven Huguenot ancestry. This information was found in The Quiet Conquest, The Huguenots 1685 to 1985 (collaboration between the Museum of London and the Huguenot Society of London). Hope this helps a little bit. Regards, Jan Zwarick.

This is regarding the request from Malinda < mthiesse@swball.net > on 5 Aug for a look-up of her DOUTHIT surname in the indexed records of the French Church at Portarlington, IRL (Vol. 19 of the Quarto series, also on LDS film # 0962137). Once again, nothing found in these indexed records, unfortunately. I looked for all possible variants, eg DUTHOIT, DOWTHWAITE, etc. as well as DOUTHIT. I also had a look for another surname she mentioned -- JOB(E) or JOAB -- but also found no listing. Sorry, Malinda. I know you will keep posting and trying because that has been what you have done in the past. Good luck. Sorry this didn't help. Andrea

Hi to the list -- re: Portarlington, IRL look-up request on 6 Aug from Priscilla <SEAYAWL@compuserve.com>. I regret to say that I found no mention of her surnames -- ie. O'DALEY, ODALY, EUDALY -- or anything ressembling them in the indexed records of the French church at Portarlington, IRL (Vol. 19 of the Hug. Soc. Quarto series, also on LDS film # 0962137.) . So sorry. Keep trying! There are records for other French churches in Ireland. Andrea

Can anyone suggest resources for the European ancestry of the following? TIA Marge Matthys Blanchan - Artois 1606 > England 1647 >Mannheim 1651 > Esopus 1660 Anthony Crispel - Artois 1635 > Mannheim 1651 > Esopus 1660 David Denarest (Desmarets) - Beauchamp 1620 > Middleburg 1642 > Mannheim 1651 > Staten Island 1663 > New Harlem 1665 > Hackensack 1677 Nicholas De Veaux - France > Mannheim 1651 > England 1667 > New Harlem 1674 > Hackensack 1679 Jacques Le Roux - Mannheim 1656 > New Harlem 1670 > Hackensack 1677 Joris Jansen Rapalje - Valenciennes 1604 > Amsterdam 1623 > Fort Orange 1624 Guilliame Vigne - Valenciennes 1586 > Holland 1623 > New Netherland 1624

Thank you Jan, Andrea and Jim. I have a lot to learn yet. I bought Cyndi's List but havent' really penetrated it yet and haven't fully learned how to use the web facilities (obviously). I will get off my surf board and trying reading a book first. I will also try those connects as well. As far as the WHELPDALE name being Huguenot, I have my doubts as well. The name sounds awfully English to me. Maybe it is Walloon, I don't know yet. I have the stories of my French ancestory, a long history of protestantism, the Maltese Cross Earrings (with remains of clips for pendant) and a lot of questions. I think the name is probably Norman-influenced and I wouldn't be surprise if there was a good deal of WHELPDALE movement between England and France in medieval times, somehow got the "de" and then had to hop it back to England during the difficulties, dropping the "de" at some point. I wouldn't be surprised if a branch went back to France and then had to skip back again during the Revolution. Time will undoubtedly tell. Thanks again for your help. Lynne

G'Day List I am new to this list and am seeking info and descendants of Antione Hanchard and Marie Dupont 1700+. Marie's parents Abraham Dupont and Jeanne Beaudemont had another daughter Jeanne. This family in London at least as early as 1683. Antione was an elder of St.Jean's Spitalfield, London. How can I find out more about this. He died in the huguenot hospital. Can anyone tell me the name of it and where it was. Family earlier at St Quentin and lived at Beauvais in Picardy both in France. Soon after Antione's father died in 1685 the family went to Holland where one family member married at the Walloon Church in Haarlem then the family members went to London, England circa 1691-1701 There are Jamacians and Americans named Hanchard and am wondering how they connect. What can people tell me about the Huguenot's and Wallons. Where they Calvanists? protestants. What was the reason they moved to Holland and England. Was it for trade or work? Is this right - (Huegenot churches are supposed to have provided money and men for the hanoverians against the 1715 and 1745 stuart rebellions. Walloons and huegenots helped found bank of england ) What or where in London was la providence ? My people were Silk Weavers and lived near Churches at Holborn, Stepney, Spitfields and Bethnal Green. Can I find out where they worked and Lived? Are sources available online. Have lots of BDB Parish entry data but would like to put flesh on the bones. I live in Australia so a bit hard to visit the London Archives for it. Look forward to finding out more about this new found branch of my family. regards Mike.

Andrea's suggestion about using the IGI is an excellent one. Two other vehicles that I find very useful are the search engine "all the web" - http://www.alltheweb.com and Ancestry.com - http://www.ancestry.com. By simply typing "Whelpdale" in the former, I managed to find a very large quantity of references to WHELPDALE. The earliest reference was to ROGER WHELPDALE, provost of Queen's College, Oxford and elected bishop of Carlisle in 1420. He was born near Greystoke (probably in the latter half of the 1300's). The Ancestry.com website provides some free information and also "paid information". Once again, I simply typed "Whelpdale" into "search". I then clicked on the GenPage Finder (free) and found a reference to a woman who has traced the Whelpdale family back to the 15th century. She "would love to hear from other people researching the name". Using the search engine "all the web" or any other search engine takes lots of patience as one sorts through many pages of irrelevant information, but there are gems to be found if you take the time to look. As for Ancestry.com, I paid the annual fee to have unlimited access and have found it very useful, but that may not be everyone's experience. Do try the free bits of it and make up your own minds. Is WHELPDALE a Huguenot name? From what I have read in the last 30 minutes, I have my doubts. However, it wouldn't surprise me if Lynne's Huguenot family connection might have been from a female ancestor marrying into the Whelpdale family. I don't know if this has helped anyone, but I enjoyed the surfing! Regards, Jan Zwarick Researching: LEPINE, L'EPINE, DE L'EPINE, LE PINE in London (Westminster, Soho, Bishopsgate, Bethnal Green) DE L'EPINE in Canterbury circa 1640-1660 (to establish possible relationship with ISAAC DE L'EPINE of London born circa 1640 - 1660)

This is from the Scotch-Irish-L list...hope it is helpful...malinda > > You can get a listing of the Huguenot regiments in King > William's army in the following 2 books > > Dutch Army of William III > http://www.bookshop.co.uk/ser/serdsp.asp?shop=3139&isbn=1858180163 > Author Sapherson, C A > Normal Price £6.99(Discount Price £6.64) > Published 31 January 1997 > Publisher Partizan P > > British Army of William III > http://www.bookshop.co.uk/ser/serdsp.asp?shop=3139&isbn=185818021X > Author Sapherson, C A > Normal Price £6.00(Discount Price £5.70) > Published 31 January 1997 > Publisher Partizan P > > An excerpt from the book entitled "The British....." reads; > > " The Huguenot Regiments > > By his revocation of the Edict of Nantes, Louis XIV had > alienated his Protestant subjects. These persecuted, > dispossessed and revenge seeking Huguenots played a far > from inconsiderable role in the war against him. Between > 1688 and 1698 many Huguenot units were raised against him, > in both the British and Dutch armies. Britain maintained > five French regiments, the Dutch even more. They were well > disciplined and highly motivated and deserved better, when > they were disbanded, than being penniless and destitute. > > a) The Duke of Schomberg's Regiment of Horse, 9 troops, > raised 7/1689, disbanded 1698 **played a major role at the > Battle of the Boyne, 1690, with many Orange lodges > displaying him on their banners** > > b) The Marquis de Miremont's Regiment of Dragoons, 6 troops > c) Colonel De La Meloniere's regiment of French Foot > d) Colonel De Cambon's Regiment of French Troop > e) The Marquis La Caillemotte's Regiment of French Foot > > Then gives their uniforms." > > This is from 1 page in the book (22), but there is > scattered inforamtion throughout, including the Dutch, > English, Welsh and Scottish components of William III's > army. > > Kindest regards > David > >

Hello again -- I forgot to mention in my previous post re: WHELPDALE that I did not find any occurence of it or any variants when I did an IGI search for continental Europe (all countries). However, this does not necessarily mean that the name will not be found eventually in a European location. In fact, it doesn't prove anything one way or the other. It only means that no info on this surname has been added to the European info on the IGI. However, seeing as this name has been found in England as early as 599 -- and if it turns out to have connections to Europe -- my guess is that these connections would be Walloon rather than Huguenot. The first, earlier waves of refugees were the Walloons, generally from the area of French Flanders (border area between Belgium and France). They were later followed by the Huguenots from France. Andrea

Hi there, listers -- In reply to the inquiry yesterday (7 Aug) by Lynne <alacrity@idirect.com> re: WHELPDALE, etc., possibly Huguenot refugees who fled to England from France, here are some comments which I hope will be helpful. For anyone like Lynne who is looking for clues as to where a surname may have been and when, may I suggest a search of the IGI (International Genealogical Index) on the LDS website (www.familysearch.org)? It is true that the IGI is merely an index with many gaps, omissions, errors and "guesstimates". These latter entries are indicated by having marks <like this> around them. BUT, having said this, it is often a useful tool. Just bear in mind that there is A LOT of info which is NOT on the IGI at all, simply because no one at LDS has entered the data into it (for various reasons). In other words, the IGI is not a primary source and info found in it should always be verified in original records. Info I found on the IGI for the British Isles suggests that the surname WHELPDALE, etc. is to be found in England much earlier than the time of the French Revolution, as Lynne suspected. For example, there was Abraham WHELPDAIL bapt 7 May 1609 at Leake, Lincolnshire, ENG, son of Peter WHELPDAILE (no mother's name is listed.) Also Isaac, another son of Peter WHELPDALE was bapt at Leake on 28 Apr 1605. These entries alone make me suspect a Huguenot connection. First, the location was Lincolnshire where there was Huguenot settlement (although I don't know where Leake is in relation to that settlement). Second, there are those names Abraham and Isaac. Very common amongst Huguenot refugees, as I think I must have mentioned before. The father's name, as well. It is not a typically English name of the period. But Peter = Pierre. A possibility? There were four other baptisms listed for Leake. One was as early as 1599.They can be found using batch number C029782. I notice that the source document for these Leake entries was a computer printout of baptisms, 1561-1 831. I would suggest researching the Leake parish registers themselves -- ie. not a printout or a copy -- to see if any other useful info turns up. There were also many other WHELPDALE names listed aside from the ones I've mentioned. There were others in Lincolnshire, for example, as well as in Nottinghamshire, Cumberland and Westmorland. Many had dates in the late 1600's-early 1700's. There were also listings in London, a geographical connection which Lynn mentioned. Some of the spelling variants listed were WHELPDALL, WHELPDEAL, WHELPDAILL, WHELPDAYLL, etc. Where to go next? Well, as I said, never take the info on the IGI at face value. Instead, take it as a possible signpost on the road to further info. I would suggest a search through original records for Leake. I haven't checked but I would assume they are listed on the LDS site in the Family History Library Catalog (FHL). Once on the site, click on Custom Search (blue tab at top right), then on Place Search to access records for this location. As always, hope this has helped someone out there. Best to all, Andrea

I forgot to add to the original message (below) that I inherited my grandmother's earrings. They are Maltese crosses. I am trying to locate the origin/location in France of the names WHELPDALE or De WHELPDALE. My understanding is that they were French Jewellers/Clockmakers who fled to England, and there is supposedly a clock still standing by that name in Paris. It may have been during the French Revolution; my background is staunchly protestant, which suggests they may have fled earlier. There were two branches eventually. One branch continued to flourish in London and the other (mine) faltered, ending up in Bethnal Green, a poor part of London, some time during the mid to late 18th century. When an ancestor of mine was transported to Australia at the age of 15 for a trifling crime (chipping a stone statue), there was an angry letter sent to the Times claiming the "convict" had used a false name. I can only assume that the original WHELPDALE/de WHELPDALE who descended into the poorest part of London ,must have done so long before my great-grandmother was born (1840s) as it was her story that has come down. If anyone knows of this/these names, I would appreciate hearing from you. Lynne Hurry ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== To access H-W-E list archives, there are two options: Threaded Archive is at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Keyword Archive at: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/

I am trying to locate the origin/location in France of the names WHELPDALE or De WHELPDALE. My understanding is that they were French Jewellers/Clockmakers who fled to England, and there is supposedly a clock still standing by that name in Paris. It may have been during the French Revolution; my background is staunchly protestant, which suggests they may have fled earlier. There were two branches eventually. One branch continued to flourish in London and the other (mine) faltered, ending up in Bethnal Green, a poor part of London, some time during the mid to late 18th century. When an ancestor of mine was transported to Australia at the age of 15 for a trifling crime (chipping a stone statue), there was an angry letter sent to the Times claiming the "convict" had used a false name. I can only assume that the original WHELPDALE/de WHELPDALE who descended into the poorest part of London ,must have done so long before my great-grandmother was born (1840s) as it was her story that has come down. If anyone knows of this/these names, I would appreciate hearing from you. Lynne Hurry

Alexandre COUSIN a musician born circa 1840, Namur, Belgium Alexandre COUSIN was a composer that emigrated from Namur, Belgium with his wife Leonie OUDART and their two children: Blanche and Louis Alexandre. Since Alexandre COUSIN was an academically trained, career musician, I wonder if there is any college record at that time or guild records that would let me to find information about his family and ancestors. The senior COUSIN was in El Salvador, Central America around 1885 were he composed the national anthem of that country (Marcha Gerardo Barrios). He moved to Managua, Nicaragua around 1888 or 1889 to train local musicians and as Director of the National Band (Supreme Powers Band) that used to play at government parties and official occasions. He also composed the national anthem of Nicaragua (Hermosa Soberana). In 1992, his daughter Blanche COUSIN-OUDART married the president of the liberal party in Nicaragua who became president of the country in 1893 and served the post until 1909. Blanche and his president-husband have seven children. Being his daughter the first lady of the country for 17 years, Alexandre COUSIN settled in Nicaragua where his descendants still live. I need your ideas on how to search for this musician in the Namur area. Aleandre COUSIN probably was born around 1840 in Namur. When he left Namur his family included his wife Leonie OUDART and their two children: Blanche and Louis Alexandre. I do not know if the family moved directly from Namur to El Salvador, around 1885, or if there was any temporary stays in other countries before reaching El Salvador. I do not know anything about Alexandre COUSIN in Namur neither about his ancestors in Belgium. I would be happy to receive from you any lead to learn more about the COUSIN ancestors in Belgium. Thanks for your help,

Hello listers, Yesterday, Chris Leanord wrote about his ancestor, HENRY FRANCISCO, who lived to the ripe old age of 134. I calculated that he was born in 1685 and died in 1819. Is that about right? We have several Huguenots in our tree. We also have a FRANCISCO branch, that we didn't know might be Huguenots, too. In our line, we have NETTIE FRANCISCO, b. July 22, 1872 in JAMESTOWN, MI, Her father was JEROME B FRANCISCO, b. October 21, 1825 in Colchester, NY. His father was LEONARD W FRANCISCO, b. April 3, 1798 in Milford, NY., His father was JOHN RICHARD FRANCISCO, from I think Renssalaer, NY. Do any of these tie in to HENRY? The ties we know about are in the DEFOREST and DE LA MONTAIGNE line. John Garrett

SIX, SY > Thorpe-le-Soken Look-up The origin of the SEAY surname is not known, but it has been reported to have been adopted by a refugee named SAYE or SEE from Wicres in French Flanders. Insofar as certain sound-alike names from that region have also appeared in lists of other French churches in England, a Thorpe-le-Soken look-up seems desirable for SAYE, SAY, SEY, SEE, SIE, SEA, SIX and SY. Hugh Seay

SAYE, SAEY, SOY > Portarlington, IRL Look-up The origin of the SEAY surname is not known, but it has been reported to have been adopted by a refugee named SAYE or SEE from Wicres in French Flanders. Insofar as certain sound-alike names from that region have also appeared in O'Hart Irish lists, a Portarlington look-up seems desirable for SAYE, SAEY, SAY, SEY, SOY, SOYEZ all of which have been declared to be variants of each other in the "Etymological Dictionary of the Surnames in Belgium and North France" by Dr. Frans Debrabandere. Already known to be associated with Portarlington is DE SAILLY, another sound-alike name for SAYE. Hugh Seay

Andrea, I would be overjoyed if you could find any O'DAILEY/ODALY,/EUDALEY (or variants thereof) ancestors for the Port Arlington area. We know they were French Huguenots and there is supposedly a castle with their name. We suspect they migrated up and over to Ireland then down to Acadia and finally to VA by the mid 1700's. Thank you for your time and effort Kind regards, Priscilla

Daly/O'Daly and variants is a good, well attested native Irish (Gaelic) name. I have it in another branch of my family. Why do you think they were Huguenots? Jim As the clock struck 09:07 PM 8/6/2000 -0400, Pat Poupore took pen in hand and wrote: >Andrea, > I would be overjoyed if you could find any O'DAILEY/ODALY,/EUDALEY (or >variants thereof) ancestors for the Port Arlington area. We know they were >French Huguenots and there is supposedly a castle with their name. We >suspect they migrated up and over to Ireland then down to Acadia and >finally to VA by the mid 1700's. > Thank you for your time and effort >Kind regards, >Priscilla > > >==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== >When posting to the HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE list: >Your subject line must reflect the content of your message. >eg. include topic or surname(s) and/or date and/or location. > >============================== >Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ -- ================================================= James P. Robinson III jprobins@ix.netcom.com All original material contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly given in writing. =================================================