A bit odd this, I join the list in order to pursue my wifes Huguenot (FORTRY/DE LA FORTERIE) ancestry and then a 140 year old family story in my own family starts to look as if it also leads towards Huguenot ancestry. I am interested in a HARLEY family who are christening children and getting married in Shoreditch St Leonards in the mid and late 18th century but who might have previously been worshippers at Threadneedle Street. Repeated forenames are Abraham and Anna/Hannah/Johanna, they may also have used Benjamin and John. A piano teacher may feature somewhere ! Ian Wallace (in Bexleyheath, Kent).

Hello Andrea and All: The last several days I've seen references on the list to French Episcopal Churches and, although an Episcopalian myself, I've never heard of this designation before. Do you Andrea, or anyone else, have any idea how many French Episcopal Churches there were in Britain and when they came into being? How would I look for them? Just under French Episcopal? And would the Archbishop of Canterbury be their head? This may open up a whole new field to research if I knew when they began and where. Much obliged - Carol California

Would you please check for the name Gambrelle/Gambrell/Gambrel?? Thank you Muriel

Hello, all -- Here are the results for the look-up requested on 21 Aug by Charles <CGeoff8520@aol.com > for the GEOFFROY and/or JEOFFROY surname in the church records at Plymouth, Bristol and Stonehouse. Hope this helps. Andrea 1) Indexed records of the French Episcopal Church at Plymouth, DEV -- No GEOFFROY or JEOFFROY surnames found, or any likely spelling variants. 2) Indexed records of the French Episcopal Church at Bristol, GLS -- No JEOFFROY names and no Louis GEOFFROY. However, the following entries all mention a Marthe GEOFFROY. They are all basicaly the same in content but I include them all, in spite of the repetition, for fearing of leaving out a small nugget of important info if I began editing. Spelling and abbreviations have been left "as is". a) On pg. 9 -- Bapteme 17 Nov 1695: Anne Marie, ff. de Pierre RAOULT, sargettier, cj deu. de la par: de Saint Pierre de Melle, en Poittou, f. de Samuel RAOULT et de Marthe GEOFFROY, s. f., demte. en la par: de Sepuret, en Poittou, et de Marie Anne RAOULT s. f., a. s. m. Marie Anne LAURON, ff. Pierre LAURON, demt. a presant en cette ville, et cj deu en celle de Bordeaux, au il estoit thonnelliér, et de Marie TROQUE s. f. P.: Pierre LAURON, son grandpere mat. M.: Anne BEDOQ, seconde femme dud. LAURON. Née le 9e. J. TINEL, Pasteur. b) On pg. 12 -- Bapteme 30 May 1697: Pierre, f. de Pierre RAOULT, sargettier, cj deuant de la parroisse de Saint Pierre de Melle, en Poittou, f. de Samuel RAOULT et de Marthe GEOFFROY s. f., demt. en la par: de Sepuret, en Poittou, ed de Marianne RAOULT, s. f., a. s. m. Marianne LAURON, ff. de Pierre LAURON, cj deut. de Bourdeaux, ou il estoit tonnellier, et de Marie TROQUE s. f. P.: Pierre LUCAS, sargettier. M.: Margueritte GUILOT, f. de Daniel BRION, sargettier. Né 22e. J. TINEL, Pasteur. c) On pg. 13 -- Bapteme 14 Aug 1698: Samuel, f. de Pierre RAOULT, sargettier, cj deut. de la parr: de St. Pierre de Melle, en Poittou, f. de Samuel RAOULT et de Marthe GEOFFROY s. f. dems. en la parr. de Sepuret, enPoittou, et de Marie Anne RAOULT s.f., a. s. m. Marie Anne LAURON, ff. de Pierre LAUROM, cj deut. de Bourdeaux, et de Marie TROQUE, s. f. P.: Mr. Anthoine NABES, ministre Françoise, demeurant en cette ville. M.:Henriette PINQUET, f. dudit Sieur NABES. Né 3e. DESCAIRAC, Min. d) On pg. 17 -- Bapteme 23 mars 1700: Samuel, f. de Pierre RAOULT, sargettier, cj deut. en la par. de Saint Pierre de Melle, en Poittou, f. de Samuel RAOULT et de Marthe GEOFFROY s. f., demt. à Sepuret, en Poitou, et de Marie Anne RAOULT s. f., a. s. m. Marie Anne LAURON, ff. de Pierre LAURON, cj deut. de Bourdeaux, thonnellier, et de Marie TROQUE s. f. P.: Samuel BOUSSAQ, marchant. M.: Damoielle Clemence PAGES, ff. de Mr. Jeremie TINEL, pasteur. Né 5e. DESCAIRAC. Min. e) On pg 19 -- Bapteme 17 Aug 1701: Jacques, f. de Pierre RAOULT, sargettier, cj det. en la parr. de St. Pierre de Melle, en Poittou, f. de Samuel RAOULT et de Marthe GEOFFROY s.f., demt. en la parr. de Sepret, en Poittou, et de Marianne RAOULT, s. f., a. s. m. Marie Anne LAURON, ff. de Pierre LAURON, cj deut. a Bourdeaux, tonnellier, et de Marie TROQUE, s. f. P.: Jacques GAUTRON, peigneur de laine. M.: Suzanne BRICOU, f. de Pierre LUCAS, sargettier. Né 6e. J. TINEL, Min. f) I included this one because it's also a RAOUL(T) family and there is a mention of Ireland. On pg. 19 -- Bapteme 25 Sept 1701: Marie Anne, ff. de Daniel RAOUL, chirurgien, demt. a Lansfort faux bourg de cette ville, cj deut. de Courpignan, en Xaintonge, f. de deffunts Noé RAOUL, chirurgien, et de Francoise FOURTHON s. f., qui demt. à Courpignan et de Marie RAOUL s. f., nate. d'Irlande. P.: Pierre LUCAS, marchant sargettier, et faiseur de vinagre. M.: Marie Anne RAOULT, f. de Pierre RAOUL, sargettier. Née 25e. DESCAIRAC, Min. g) On pg. 43 -- Mariage 14 Jan 1695: Pierre RAOULT, sargettier, cy deuant de St. Pierre de Melle, en Poittou, f. de Samuel RAOULT, et de Marthe GEOFFROY, s. f., de Sepuret en Poittou. -- Marianne LAURON, nat. de Bourdeaux, ff. de Pierre LAURON, cy deuant de Bourdeaux et de defft. Marie TROGUE, s.f. TT.: Pierre LUCAS, sargettier, et de Bertrand FERRU, amis de l'espuze: Pierre LAURON père de l'espouze; et Anne BEDOQ, sa seconde femme; et Gaspart LAURON, son frère. DESCAIRAC, Min. h) On pg. 53 -- Mort 26 Dec 1701: Au cimitiere de l'Eglise St. Philipes, Jaques RAOULT, f. de Pierre RAOULT, sargettier cj deuant en la parroisse de St. Pierre de Melle, en Poittou, f. de Samuel RAOULT et Marthe GEOFFROY, s.f., dems. en la parr. de Sepuré en Poittou, et de Marrieanne RAOULT, s.f., a.s.m. Marie LAURON, ff. de Pierre LAURON, cj deuant a Bourdeaux, ou il estoit tonnelier, et de Marie TROQUE, s.f. TT.:Mr. TINEL, RAOULT pere, Pierre LUCAS et Daniel BLONDEAU, marchans. Dec. 24e: 5 mois. J. TINEL, Pasteur. P. RAOULT. Pierre LUCAS, Ancien. Daniel BLONDEAU, ancien. 3) The indexed records of the French Episcopal Church at Stonehouse, GLS -- No GEOFFROY or JEOFFROY spellings found. However, the following entries mention JAUFFROY, JAUFFRÉ, JAUFFRAY(E) or GAUFFRE. i) On pg. 75 -- Bapteme 19 Jan 1709: Elizabet, ff. de Jean PAULAIX et Judich GUITONNE (GUILLOTINE). Née 15e. P.: Izaac PAULAIX. M.: Jeanne GAUFFRE. Estienne MOLENIER, Min. La marque du parrain. Jean PAULAIS. j) On pg. 76 -- Bapteme 24 mars 1723: Jeanne Marie, ff. de Jean MAILLOUX et de Jeanne JAUFFROY. Née 15e. P.: Daniel FLORISON. M.: Anne WBERT. Joseph DE MAURE, Min. D. FLEURISSON. La marque de Anne WBERT (sic). k) On pg. 95 -- Mariage 1721, 29 Jan à 11.30. Pierre RENAUD -- Marie JAUFFRAY. Joseph DE MAURE, Pasteur. La marque de Pierre RENAUD. La marque Marie JAUFFRAYE. l) On pg. 96 -- Mariage 1722, 18 mai à 9 a.m. Jean MAILLOU -- Jeanne JAUFFRÉ. J. DE MAURE, Min. La marque de Jean MAILLOU. La marque de Jeanne JAUFFRÉ. John WEBBER. La marque de Anne WEBBER. END

----- Original Message ----- From: Sylvia Maisey <sfmaisey@nascr.net> To: Andrea Vogel <andreav@island.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 4:00 PM Subject: BARBET, BARBEY, BARBEAU and similar. Tésmoignages, Threadneedle St.- Look-up request. > This is my first request for a lookup! I'm looking forward to the reply! > > I have some Tésmoignages but all passed on to me and I don't know if there > are others, so any would be helpful. > > Names BARBET, BARBEY, BARBETT, BARBEAU > > Many Thanks > > SylviaM >

[HWE] SIX & variants: Reply to Carol Reply To Message: #2 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:10:53 -0700 From: "Carol J. Markillie" <markilli@inreach.com> To: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000822101053.008107f0@pop3.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [HWE] SIX & variants Carol, Thanks so much for the fascinating account of your various adventures at home and abroad. That alone was a real treat, and then on top of that, you offer useful advice about our search for our SIX & variants, and you promise to look through your files when you get a chance to do so. Who could ask for anything more? Merci mil fois! We have written to the Archives at Lille but they did not have the staff to help us and suggested we rely on professionals or join the GGRN. Undoubtedly, to be there on the scene as you have been is the best possible way to operate, but that avenue is closed to us. However, as I have said, my research partner Virginia Holter has joined the GGRN and already we are getting some help from them. A couple of French friends in other parts of France are also trying to help us out with data from Flanders. My partner has read the Peters book, A Family From Flanders, and has shared some of the chapters with me. Peters' account and yours give us a good taste of what it's like to be there. Your suggestion about writing the mayor of Wicres sounds like a good one and we shall try to follow up on it. Not being near large university or public libraries, we are dependent on Interlibrary loans, the LDS Family History Centers and the good services of Andrea and Listers like you. We are also able to take advantage of the greatly improved search engines and websites on the Internet. I discovered the location of Marquillies and Wicres online at expedia.com. It's very good for finding almost any place in Europe. I knew there was a place called Sy in France but with the help of Expedia, I found another Sy in Belgium. If anyone missed reading your account, I recommend that they do so even if Flanders is not their area of interest. Thanks once more for your help and we'll look forward to hearing from you again. Hugh Seay HDELMAR@aol.com

[HWE] SIX Variants + WILSON > Threadneedle Temoinages Look-Up A family legend has Abraham SEAY (SIX, SY, SAYE, SOYE) marrying Mary WILSON in England before settling in Virginia. We have seen WILSON, SY, SI and SOYE before at Threadneedle, but would like to know if Abraham and Mary are among the Temoinages. Thanks, Hugh Seay

Reply to Message: #3 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:32:39 -0500 From: malinda jones <mthiesse@swbell.net> To: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <39A2F177.A3E8178C@swbell.net> Subject: Re: [HWE] SIX & variants Mailinda, There are some bearers of the name SEAY who are desperately trying to find a connection between SEAY and the noble Anglo-Norman name SAYE. But if they find it, I'm pretty sure it won't be by delving into medieval records. Other SEAYs are not trying to find proof of the relationship, but have faith in a legend that a Huguenot named Abraham SAYE, prior to leaving England for America, was for a time under the protection of his distant relative the Baron SAYE AND SELE. In fact, some of them have even visited Broughton Castle to be assured by the ever-accomodating current Baron that their faith is not misplaced. Others of us are skeptical of the legend and are following a Huguenot Society clue that Abraham came from Wicres in French Flanders and that his name was either the Flemish SAYE (a variant of SOYEZ, SOY, SAEY or SAY) or the Walloon SIX or a variant. So I think we'll have to pass up the chance to parade in medieval pageantry. But thanks, anyway, for trying to help. Hugh Seay

Listers -- This is in response to the post on 20 Aug from Duncan <duncan@louddogs.freeserve.co.uk> re: his surname interests, CHAPPLE in Devon and RIPP in London. I haven't run across these in Huguenot research (but, then again, it may have been because I wasn't specifically looking! <g>), but the following may be of help. Re: surname RIPP, the 1999 GRD lists someone who is researching this name in France and Germany. It's possible he may have useful information. His name is Robert Schlesier and he lives in California. His e-mail address is rschlesier@home.com. I could find no listing of anyone researching RIPP in London. Have you tried the London or Middlesex mailing list to see if anyone there can help? As for CHAPPLE, it's conceivable that it could once have been LA CHAPPELLE or something like that. There are several listings in the GRD for people researching this name in Devon. Specific locations mentioned are Exeter, Meavy, Dalwood and Offwell. Please contact me off-list if any of these are of interest. Regards, Andrea

Hi, list -- Here are the results of the look-up request sent by Tom <TomAngers@aol.com > on 22 Aug. This is from the records of Le Livre des Tésmoignages de l'Eglise de Threadneedle Street, London, ENG (Vol. 21 of the Quarto series, also LDS film # 0962137) -- for surnames ANGIER, ANGER, AINGER, AUNGER. These records are indexed and nothing was found for any of the exact spellings mentioned above. The following similar spellings were extracted in case they may be of help. Isaac AGAR T. Paris 1 Jan 1672 Jacques ANGOT T. Caen 6 Apr 1673 Anne ANGOT: de Caen. T. Rotterdam du 6 Dec 1693 26 Apr 1696 Jacob ANGOT: natif de Londres: fils de Daniel: 16 ans 26 Jne 1706 Jacques AUGER T. Amsterdam 17 Jly 1670 Jean AUGER, de Berry T. La Savoie 28 Feb 1724 Judith AUGER: 16 ans; née à Londres. T. son père 27 Sept 1727 Charles AUGER: de Caen, basse Normandie. T. Mr. JERMAIN. 26 Nov 1738 Estienne AUGIER & Madelaine, sa fem. T. Mr. LIONS, ministre. 29 Mar 1689 Louis AUGIER T. Mr. BERTEAU 25 Aug 1700 Jean AUGIER T. Jean CANNELL 31 Aug 1701 Jeanne AUGIER: natife de Londres: fille de Louis: 17 ans. T. son père 1 Jne 1720 David AUGIER: de Canterberie T. Canterberie 27 Oct 1734 There were also surnames such as: AGACE, AGASS(E), AGASCHE, ANGUIS, ANGOISSE which were not extracted. Hope this has been of interest. Andrea

Hello -- Continuing on with this thread, here are the results of the look-up request sent by Hugh < DELMAR@aol.com > on 20 Aug for surname SIX, etc. at Plymouth, DEV & Bristol/Stonehouse, GLS, ENG (Vol. 20 of the Quarto series, also on LDS film # 0962137). Unfortunately, no mention was found in these indexed records for the "French Episcopalian" churches in these locations -- for any of the following surnames: SIX, SY, SAYE, SAY, SEY, SEE, SIE, SEA. Sometimes it's just as important to know where ancestors "weren't" as well as where they "were". Regards, Andrea

Andrea, I would be most appreciative if you would keep an eye out for EUDAILY or any variant thereof in all the list you are so graciously going through. We just cannot figure out where these immigrants came from. They show up in Charleston Co, Virginia in 1780 for the first time. Family lore has it that they are French Hugeunots. Kind Regards, Priscilla Poupore

There is also a Geoffrey de Saye ( 1155-1230) who is one of the 25 Magna Charta Surety Barons who was at Runnymede in 1215....(and one of the 17 known to have left descendants). There are several URLs that list these folks < http://www.magnacharta.org > < http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/rfc/magnacharta.htm > Most of the Magna Charta Barons were related to each other (I have a descent from 9 of them through one ancestor alone).....so you might have a very interesting adventure ahead of you. You might also want to search the List Archives of GEN-MEDIEVAL-L at rootsweb.com and a search at < http://www.alltheweb.com > might be productive for you. Happy hunting...........malinda jones "Carol J. Markillie" wrote: > Hello Hugh: > > I've seen the SIX and SAYs for so many years, I'll have to think where I > saw them. First of all, yes, my name comes from MARQUILLIES - I visited the > village > in the 80s and then went to Guisnes behind Calais and tracked the Walloons > who were in that area and who ended up in the fen drainage projects in > England, up through Bruges, Cadzand, Walcheren, Amsterdam, Leiden, etc.I > think either my LE PLA family or the MARQUILLIERs were married to a SAY and > maybe a SIX but I'll have to look that up also. Of course, this is from > 1568 when the MARQUILLIERs I'm descended from (I think) were sentenced to > permanent exile by the Spanish Inquisition a week or two after Calais was > won back from the English in October 1568 and the Spanish Inquisition was > invited into northern France by the Guise brothers. I don't have the > Netherlands material in my database because it is a far leap from my > 2xgrgrandfather Thomas MARKILLIE (1774-1871) back to Middelburg Walcheren > or to Haarlem or Amsterdam or Leiden but I have that material in my files - > unfortunately it may be in storage at the moment as I've moved and > everything except a few boxes are waiting in storage until I get another > place to live. > I'll go through the material I have here in the next few days and see if I > can dig anything out for you - in the meantime, I know there is a lot of > material in the registers published by the Huguenot Society in their Quarto > series - available through large university or public libraries that have > series collections or through the Huguenot Society itself. > > Have you written to the Archives in Lille? They may be able to supply a > good deal of information but you should be a bit careful on how you phrase > your question - I wrote 20 years ago and got a very negative answer and > then visited the archives myself and was supplied with a lot of material - > we only had one day there, unfortunately, but they said there was a great > deal of things downstairs, old maps, etc. but they didn't have time to pull > everything out that day.[Let me know if you want the address.] I don't know > if Mr. Guy is still there but you might address a letter to him and hope > for the best. Also, the village of MARQUILLIES had a village historian who > gave a speech about MARQUILLIER knights every May 14 on the anniversary of > the death of Eustache de MARQUILLIES in the Battle of Bouvines. You might > write to the mayor of Wicres and see if he can direct you to a similar > person in WICRES. > > Have you read A Family From Flanders by John Peters (I think it was John) - > it is very interesting and about that area. > > I found MARQUILLIES by looking on an old Bleu Guide printed before World > War I - no one in our family knew anything about the French origins of our > family prior to that although some said "They were Huguenots". > Coincidentally, my sister and I attended Notre Dame des Victoires in San > Francisco where nuns taught, coming from the Cathedral of Notre Dame des > Victoires built by Philippe Augustus to honor his victory at the Battle of > Bouvines. The nuns had escaped during or just after the Battle of > Armentieres in WWI and fled France - the Pope (or someone high up in the > Catholic Church) told them to go to San Francisco and open a school. Our > teachers weren't the original nuns but they were all from the same area - > some of the old ones still paddled around upstairs in their carpet slippers > but we weren't allowed up there in the private quarters. Unfortunately at > that time, no one picked up on our name although the nuns were from around > that area, or at least they didn't mention it to us - too bad as they > probably could have told us lots of stories about the area. They knew we > weren't Roman Catholics but if they'd known we had descended from > Calvinists the doors might have been closed more firmly yet. > > Regards - > Carol > > > >Carol, we are searching for an Abraham SEAY, formerly SIX or SAYE, who is > >reported to have come from a village in French Flanders called Wicres, which > >is just up the road a piece from Marquillies (Is this the place from which > >your surname was derived?) So, knowing that Wicres is an area where many SIX > >families have lived, we are interested in any SIX from that area who might > >have taken refuge in England before embarking for Virginia. One big problem > >is that all of the official records of Wicres burned in 1915. So notaries' > >records there and church registers in England are our only hope. > > > >We would not normally think that SIX and SAYE are related (one being Walloon > >and the other Flemish) except that both are names that sound something like > >SEAY, which can be pronounced [say] or [seh] in the UK and Down Under and > >[see] in America. The French Languedoc name SAY and the variants of the > >Flemish name SOYEZ, SOY, SAYE, SAEY (which also incliudes SAY) cannot be > >dismissed, but for now, we think SIX is our best bet. > > > >There is an Adam VIGNES listed at the Huguenot settlement in Manakin, VA but > >so far he cannot be connected to my ancestor Naomi LAVIGNE, LOVIGNE, LOVINE, > >or LOVING. But your having seen LAVIGNE in the Huguenot Society Quarto > >series bears investigation as does Marty's August 11 posting about the will > >of an Adam VIGNE on the VA-Roots List. > > > >Hope the GGRN may prove useful to you. > > > >Thanks again and > > > >Best regards, > > > >Hugh Seay > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe (if you are in digest mode), > type and send only the word unsubscribe to: > HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/

Listers -- Seeing as we seem to be going through a thread re: SIX surname & variants, here a few more bits of info to add to that already posted. The location mentioned here -- St. Martin's Church, Herne -- is just 6 miles north of Canterbury. These extracts are from a book titled "Dwelly's Parish Records, Vol. 3, Kent MI's" by Edward Dwelly, F.S.G. (which I think means Fellow of the Society of Genealogists). The title page states that the book contains "all the monumental inscriptions in the parishes........Herne and Herne Bay, with......all of the Armorial Bearings, and rubbings of the old Brasses". And then goes on to say that it was "published and printed by the author at his genealogical offices, Margate Road (Herne Bay), MCMXIV. Sole Agent -- A.H. Mayhew, 56 Charing Cross Road, London." Even though it was published in 1914, Mr. Dwelly appears to have completed many of the MI's by 1909. Because almost 100 years have gone by since then, I would speculate that many of the MI's in the churchyard may no longer be readable. This book is in the holdings of the Genealogical Library at Salt Lake (call number 942.23/V3d) and is also on LDS film # 1696684. 1) Monumental inscriptions in the churchyard of St. Martin at Herne (which dates from the 15th century with some evidence of an earlier structure, ie. the church tower dating from 1350): Pg. 21, # 253: "Sophia May, w. of Rev. James SIX May, vicar of this parish, d. Sept. 6, 1850, also James SIX May, vicar of Herne, d. May 17, 1866." Pg. 22, #263 "John Wiltshire SEA, s. of John & Sarah SEA of Blean, d. Dec 6, 1830, aged 33." Note that Dwelly has included only names and dates from these MI's and has omitted any verses or epitaphs "not of any genealogical value". 2) Inscriptions in the church itself: Pg. 47, #13 Under heading "South Aisle, Points of Interest": "On right side going E., square brass set in stone quatrefoil on wall. A Memorial/ of the Family of George MAY of this Parish/ and formerly of Maidstone in this County, Esquire/ George MAY was born, A.D. 1765, died A.D. 1849 and/ was buried at Luddington in the County of Wilts./ Mary his wife only daughter of James SIX of Canterbury, Esquire, F.R.S., born A.D. 1766/ died A.D. 1827/ and was buried in this Church./ They had thirteen children/ of whom VI are buried in this Church, namely, Elizabeth, Francis, William, John, Anna, Susanna./ Samuel Weller buried in the Island of St. Vincents, Edward buried at Maidstone, Mary buried at Luddington./ Blessed are all they that fear the Lord/ and walk in his ways, Ps. CXXVIII. 1vs." Pgs. 57 & 58, #37 (under a heading several pages earlier: "North Chantry Chapel"): On pg. 57, there is a drawing of the shields which are described below. On pg. 58 is a picture of the brasses showing the likenesses of John SEA and his two wives, and also the script underneath. Dwelly's description, which is at the bottom of pg. 57, is as follows: "Four shields formerly occupied the corners of the slab to which brass is attached, but that in top right-hand corner is lost. The first of the two illustrated here is that in the top left-hand corner, and the second that in the bottom right-hand corner. The shield in the bottom left-hand corner is the same as first but upside-down. The first is the arms of SEA impaled with HAMMOND, the second those of SEA impaled with BOYS. there is a striking semblance between the dress of the two wives, which suggests that No. 2 acquired the whole of the wardrobe of No. 1. Rubbing of this brass appears on pg. 58. The size of the original is 28-1/2 by 27 in." At the top of pg. 58, there is a picture of the brass rubbing -- ie. John SEA in the middle, flanked by a wife on each side. All have their hands with palms together in front of them, as if in prayer. Underneath these likenesses, it says: "Here lieth interred John SEA of Underdowne in the parishe of Herne, Esquire, who tooke to wife Martha HAMMOND, daughter of Tho. HAMMOND of S. Albans in East Kent, Esq.: by whom he had issue VI sonnes & III daughters, & after her decease married Sara BOYS, eldest daughter unto Thomas BOYS of Barfreston, Gent.: by whom he had one sonne & one daughter. He lived and died in peace. Obiit. 23 Februarie, Anno Dni. 1604." I can send the drawings of the shields and the brasses to anyone who is interested. Hope this adds useful info. Andrea

Hello Hugh: I've seen the SIX and SAYs for so many years, I'll have to think where I saw them. First of all, yes, my name comes from MARQUILLIES - I visited the village in the 80s and then went to Guisnes behind Calais and tracked the Walloons who were in that area and who ended up in the fen drainage projects in England, up through Bruges, Cadzand, Walcheren, Amsterdam, Leiden, etc.I think either my LE PLA family or the MARQUILLIERs were married to a SAY and maybe a SIX but I'll have to look that up also. Of course, this is from 1568 when the MARQUILLIERs I'm descended from (I think) were sentenced to permanent exile by the Spanish Inquisition a week or two after Calais was won back from the English in October 1568 and the Spanish Inquisition was invited into northern France by the Guise brothers. I don't have the Netherlands material in my database because it is a far leap from my 2xgrgrandfather Thomas MARKILLIE (1774-1871) back to Middelburg Walcheren or to Haarlem or Amsterdam or Leiden but I have that material in my files - unfortunately it may be in storage at the moment as I've moved and everything except a few boxes are waiting in storage until I get another place to live. I'll go through the material I have here in the next few days and see if I can dig anything out for you - in the meantime, I know there is a lot of material in the registers published by the Huguenot Society in their Quarto series - available through large university or public libraries that have series collections or through the Huguenot Society itself. Have you written to the Archives in Lille? They may be able to supply a good deal of information but you should be a bit careful on how you phrase your question - I wrote 20 years ago and got a very negative answer and then visited the archives myself and was supplied with a lot of material - we only had one day there, unfortunately, but they said there was a great deal of things downstairs, old maps, etc. but they didn't have time to pull everything out that day.[Let me know if you want the address.] I don't know if Mr. Guy is still there but you might address a letter to him and hope for the best. Also, the village of MARQUILLIES had a village historian who gave a speech about MARQUILLIER knights every May 14 on the anniversary of the death of Eustache de MARQUILLIES in the Battle of Bouvines. You might write to the mayor of Wicres and see if he can direct you to a similar person in WICRES. Have you read A Family From Flanders by John Peters (I think it was John) - it is very interesting and about that area. I found MARQUILLIES by looking on an old Bleu Guide printed before World War I - no one in our family knew anything about the French origins of our family prior to that although some said "They were Huguenots". Coincidentally, my sister and I attended Notre Dame des Victoires in San Francisco where nuns taught, coming from the Cathedral of Notre Dame des Victoires built by Philippe Augustus to honor his victory at the Battle of Bouvines. The nuns had escaped during or just after the Battle of Armentieres in WWI and fled France - the Pope (or someone high up in the Catholic Church) told them to go to San Francisco and open a school. Our teachers weren't the original nuns but they were all from the same area - some of the old ones still paddled around upstairs in their carpet slippers but we weren't allowed up there in the private quarters. Unfortunately at that time, no one picked up on our name although the nuns were from around that area, or at least they didn't mention it to us - too bad as they probably could have told us lots of stories about the area. They knew we weren't Roman Catholics but if they'd known we had descended from Calvinists the doors might have been closed more firmly yet. Regards - Carol > >Carol, we are searching for an Abraham SEAY, formerly SIX or SAYE, who is >reported to have come from a village in French Flanders called Wicres, which >is just up the road a piece from Marquillies (Is this the place from which >your surname was derived?) So, knowing that Wicres is an area where many SIX >families have lived, we are interested in any SIX from that area who might >have taken refuge in England before embarking for Virginia. One big problem >is that all of the official records of Wicres burned in 1915. So notaries' >records there and church registers in England are our only hope. > >We would not normally think that SIX and SAYE are related (one being Walloon >and the other Flemish) except that both are names that sound something like >SEAY, which can be pronounced [say] or [seh] in the UK and Down Under and >[see] in America. The French Languedoc name SAY and the variants of the >Flemish name SOYEZ, SOY, SAYE, SAEY (which also incliudes SAY) cannot be >dismissed, but for now, we think SIX is our best bet. > >There is an Adam VIGNES listed at the Huguenot settlement in Manakin, VA but >so far he cannot be connected to my ancestor Naomi LAVIGNE, LOVIGNE, LOVINE, >or LOVING. But your having seen LAVIGNE in the Huguenot Society Quarto >series bears investigation as does Marty's August 11 posting about the will >of an Adam VIGNE on the VA-Roots List. > >Hope the GGRN may prove useful to you. > >Thanks again and > >Best regards, > >Hugh Seay

Here's a list of some huguenots going from france to Canada 1670 + of about 300.... Les Huguenots en Nouvelle-France http://pages.infinit.net/barbeaum/listem.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~canqc/immigre.htm ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

I am reqeusting a look up of this name in the tesmoinages list of Threadneedle St. If anyone is researching this surname or might see it any source please notify me. I am especially interested in Joseph and ELizabeth Angier, Thomas Anger (Angier), Nicholas Anger and William Angier. Would be pleased to share with other researchers. Tom Angers Lafayette, Louisiana USA

[HWE] SIX & variants > Thorpe- ["Carol J. Markillie" <markilli@inr] Reply to DIGEST Message: #2 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:45:51 -0700 From: "Carol J. Markillie" <markilli@inreach.com> To: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000820124551.00880100@pop3.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [HWE] SIX & variants > Thorpe-le-Soken look-up Thanks to Carol Markillie for her remarks about SIX and SAY families. Carol, we are searching for an Abraham SEAY, formerly SIX or SAYE, who is reported to have come from a village in French Flanders called Wicres, which is just up the road a piece from Marquillies (Is this the place from which your surname was derived?) So, knowing that Wicres is an area where many SIX families have lived, we are interested in any SIX from that area who might have taken refuge in England before embarking for Virginia. One big problem is that all of the official records of Wicres burned in 1915. So notaries' records there and church registers in England are our only hope. We would not normally think that SIX and SAYE are related (one being Wallooon and the other Flemish) except that both are names that sound something like SEAY, which can be pronounced [say] or [seh] in the UK and Down Under and [see] in America. The French Languedoc name SAY and the variants of the Flemish name SOYEZ, SOY, SAYE, SAEY (which also incliudes SAY) cannot be dismissed, but for now, we think SIX is our best bet. There is an Adam VIGNES listed at the Huguenot settlement in Manakin, VA but so far he cannot be connected to my ancestor Naomi LAVIGNE, LOVIGNE, LOVINE, or LOVING. But your having seen LAVIGNE in the Huguenot Society Quarto series bears investigation as does Marty's August 11 posting about the will of an Adam VIGNE on the VA-Roots List. Hope the GGRN may prove useful to you. Thanks again and Best regards, Hugh Seay

Per the posting of August 20 re lookups the following is submited GEOFFROY/JEOFFROY, Plymouth, Bristol, Stonehouse,Eng, look-up request. Oral history has it that LOUIS GEOFFROY emigrated to Ireland from Devon/Cornwall in the second half of the 18th Century. Chas Geoffroy Oregon, USA

Well, everyone, seeing as my offer to do look-ups in the "French Episcopalian" church records of Plymouth and/or Bristol and/or Stonehouse did not exactly result in a deluge of requests from listers :) -- and that offer is still open, by the way -- here is another look-up offer that may be of interest to more of you. That is, I am now offering to do look-ups in the records of Le Livre des Tésmoignages for the French Church at Threadneedle Street, London, ENG. If anyone is unsure what these tésmoignages were, please refer to the post of 16 March in the list archives with subject line -- Livre des Tésmoignages: Threadneedle Street Church, London, ENG. These records are in Vol. 21 of the Hug. Soc. of Ldn. Quarto series, and are also on LDS film # 0962137. As with previous look-up offers, please follow this format when requesting look-ups -- 1) Requests must be posted to the list. 2) Requests must have subject line such as: SURNAME > Tésmoignages Look-up request 3) Please include some details and dates in your request. You can refer to earlier posts if this is a repetition of info you have sent to the list before. I will post search results to the list as quickly as I can, keeping in mind that my local FHC is open only one day a week (Tuesday) for the summer. Let's see what happens now <g>. My best to all. Andrea