Jerry, I am most enthusiased about your message regarding d'Ailly. Do you think my Eudailey/EuDaley etc could be of the same family? Could Eu before the dally indicate from or of? Priscilla looking for those Huguenot Eudalys who show up in Va in the mid 1700.

Hi Andrea... Would you mind doing a look up for the Job(e) surname if you fing the time ? Various spellings of the name Job and its derivitives found in old English records are Job, Jobe, Jobbe, Jobber, Joba, Jobb, Jobba, Joab, Jop, Jope, Jobson, Jobling, Juppe, and Chubb. The Job name probably originated in the 13th century when the Mystery Plays made the biblical character popular. Tradition says the Job family of Pembrokeshire were descended from Flemish weavers that the English planted in the 11th and 12th centuries to build Britain's cloth trade. Some Job family members immigrated to Scotland and Germany and later settled in America. Some Jobes were said to have come from Kent County, England. No one named Job was granted arms there. There was a family named Jobson granted arms in Essex County, which is just across the Thames River from Kent. Arms were granted to Job families in York and Lancaster Counties. Crests were granted to families with the name Job and Jope. Thanks....malinda jones

Dear Listers I wonder if anyone can help with information, particularly a date and place of death for Jean-Henri-Nicolas MAILLARDET, said to have died in London between 1811 and 1827. Known as Henri(y), he was born at Meyriez near Neuchatel in Switzerland in 1745 into a large family of watch and clock makers. He moved sometime before 1783 to London where he was employed until 1791 as the English agent for Jaquet-Droz & Leschot, makers of fine watches and automata. With his wife Louise, he had two children: Louisa Henrietta, christened at St Andrew, Holborn in 1785 and Frederick, christened at the same church in 1786, later reputed to have become a dentist. I have used my favourite search engines on the Internet so know about the automaton in Philadelphia and other objects he is said to have created but I was just hoping, remembering Andrea's story, that someone out there might have some new information before I do it the slow way and go to the original sources. With thanks in advance Julia Clarke ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

The d'AILLY who married a COLIGNY was Margerete d'AILLY 1650 m. Francois COLIGNY son of Gaspard II COLIGNY 1519-1572 & Jeanne Charlotte de LAVAL. Margerete's father was Antoine d'AILLY and it was his two sons who died at battle St. Denis. Antoine was son of Charles and Charles son of Jehan. The name d'AILLY was usually the name of the Catholic branch of the family while those of the Huguenot branch usually used DALLY. The name DALLY and d'AILLY is from the Latin de Alliaco and was traced to 1090 A.D. in northern France, to the area called Alliacum by the Romans, when they occupied the area around what is now Amiens. Source: letter from David S. Dalley of Plainfield,NJ dated 16 Feb 1926 to my great-grandfather, Rev. Joseph W. Dally in Ridgewood, NJ. David did his research in England and France. Tom Dally

There is only one O'DALLY listed on the genealogical map I purchased in Ireland and it is in Galway Co. There was a Dally family from France who lived there, a Ceasar Dally of Paris, France who lived there with his aunt. His family crest was written asForte Et Vite ("Swift and Strong") and in Gaelic Laudir Agus Mir as the O'DALAIGH crest is worded. The source of this information is from James D. Daly, Esq. account copied by his son Dermot J. Daly of Castle Daly, Doughrea, 18th Oct 1936. It is in a booklet on the O'Dalaigh Family. There is a DALLY castle in Scotland and I will have to search my papers to find out where it is located. Someone in IBM sent info to me a few years back. I shall forward it to you when found. Tom Dally P.S. I don't know where Port Arlington, IR is located.

From what I have read I too would say Stonehouse is the one in Devon. Shirley Arabin. Mount Maunganui, NEW ZEALAND "If at first I don't succeed there is always next year"

Bonjour listers, I look for information about the family Crouzet ( Crouzeté) of Bristol. Patronymic Crouzet appeared in England to the end of XVII-th century. My senior ancestor John Crouzet got married on October 16, 1788 in the church " Philip and Jacob " of Bristol to Élisabeth Crisp. According to the domestic tradition, John Crouzet would have been a rich shipowner, possessing probably a flotilla of fishing boats in the region of Islands St-Pierre and Miquelon by 1800. His junior son John was baptized on May 13, 1795 in the church Philip and Jacob. He came to become established in the province of Quebec, Canada before 1820. I shall like knowing: 1-th the reason of the departure of the family of France for England and when; 2-nd the date of death of senior John Crouzet in Bristol; 3-rd senior John possessed this flotilla or still his profession; 4-th had several descendants. I thank you for the help that you will bring me, excuse my English, the text was translated with a software. Gilles D. Gendron 6000 rue Agathe Brossard, Qc Canada J4Z 1C7 É-mail : ggendron@colba.net

Listers -- here is some information re: Abraham LEGRAND and related families of Herne, Kent, ENG. It's from the same book of MI's by Edward Dwelly that I cited in my post on 22 Aug re: SIX & SEA. As I mentioned then, Herne is only a few miles from Canterbury. These MI's -- on stone slabs set into the floor -- are all in the nave of St. Martin's Church at Herne. On pg. 46, #11 -- Description: slab with shield but no crest. There is a drawing of the shield on this page. "Here lieth ye body of Wm. KNOWLER, Woolen/ Draper, late of Canterbury, son of Stephen/ KNOWLER of the same, Chirurgion & of Mary/ his Wife. He died Mar: 2d 1714, Aged 29 Years/ By this Pew lieth his Grand Father Stephen KNOWLER of Hearn. Also a Brother & 2 Sisters/ Adjoyning to the head of this stone/ Also here lieth Elizabeth, wife of Abra: LEGRAND/ Daughter of Stephen KNOWLER & of Mary his/ Wife. She died Octor. ye 11th 1721 Aged 29 Years/ And her 2 Daughters, Mary KNOWLER Aged/ 8 Days & Elizabeth Aged 11 Days were/ buried with her./ She left surviving one Son, Stepn. LEGRAND./ Also here lieth ye body of the above sd. Abraham LEGRAND who died Ianuary/ 19, 1742, Aged 60. The said Stephen LEGRAND, M.B.,/ ob: 26 Nov 1759, aet. 39 & lieth in/ this Church." Also on pg. 46, #12 -- Similar slab to above and to E. of it, close to Chancel. Has shield but no crest. There is a drawing of the shield on this page. "Helen LEGRAND/ widow of Abraham LEGRAND, gent.:/ Daughter of John PLUMMER, gent: and Mary his wife, ob. 27 June 1758 aet. 59/ and lieth here with seven infant children/ Helen,/ Plummer, Samuel, Abraham, John, Samuel Plummer, William./ Three daughters survived their Parents./ Mary Married to Edward Lord CHICK, Esq:/ of West Ham, Essex: afterwards of Kingston/ in this County, ob: 27 Jan: 1774./ Elizabeth wife of Sir William FAGG,/ Bart. of Mystole in the Parish of Chartham, ob. 27 Feb: 1785./ Frances married to John HITCHCOCK,/ gent. of London/ after his Decease to ----------/ NICHALL, gent. of Hendon, Midx/ ob. 7 Oct 1780." The following description of the church nave is under the heading: "The Nave: Points of Interest" on pg. 44. It's described as "very wide, and with the N. & S. Aisles forms an exact square. Four pointed arches on the N. side and give on the S., the moulding on former differing from that on latter. The octagonal pillars of Bethersden marble. The peculiar arch above the present arch of the baptistry, which of itself proves the existence of a former church, probably Norman. A very large Perpendicular (third pointed) window with 5 lights at W. end. Handsome Chancel screen at E. end, boldly carved. Opening in wall at S.E. corner, which formerly led to the rood-loft. The impress of those who passed through it more than 300 years ago still remains shoulder-high on the plaster work. Three oak steps yet remaining in passage, form a part of the old approach from below." I can send the drawings of the shields if anyone is interested. This is all the info there is in this source re: LE GRAND but there is quite a bit of further info about the KNOWLER surname which I can also send to anyone interested. KNOWLER is a fairly common surname in East Kent, particularly in the Herne and Whitstable area. They seem to have been a prominent family at Herne -- for example, the South Chantry Chapel in the church is apparently also known as the KNOWLER Chapel. Hope this helps someone out there. Andrea

Following my interest in Irish Huguenot families I have found several books including, in general terms(mine) this information. When the Huguenots, speaking French and Calvinist in their religion, emigrated to Ireland they basically had 2 options. They could 'conform' i.e. worship in the way of the Church of Ireland (Anglican, Archbish. of Canterbury etc) and use the French translation of the Anglican liturgy. The 'non conformist' French churches in Ireland and England were those who kept their own system of church government and did not join the Anglicans. In later years some of them joined the Presbyterians who were another Calvinist church. In Dublin those who 'conformed' worshiped at St. Mary's Chapel at St Patrick's Cathedral, while the 'non conformists' worshiped at chapels in Lucy Lane and Peter St(originally Wood St). Both groups used FRench language in their services. Although the term 'Episcopalian" in American refers to Anglican as used in UK, Aust, NZ etc; in the Huguenot sense I understand it refers to the Anglican church hierarchy as led by bishops. One of the objections the Protestants had in France was, aside from theology etc, was the control of the church by the bishops. They wanted control by the people. I hope I have made this clear without any distortion of the facts. Shirley Arabin. Mount Maunganui, NEW ZEALAND who has no drop of Huguenot blood, but her husband does.

I need help with translations of some 17th Century French. In posting #225, dated August 25, concerning the lookups by Andrea of GEOFFROYS/JEOFFROYS et al in several southwestern English parishs, there are several items about which I am unsure and cannot be found in the several English/French dictionaries I have. One is the noun "sargettier, cf deu." It appears to be the occupation of one Pierre Roualt. Can anyone translate this for me? Can anyone confirm that the noun "thonnelli" translates as cooper, or barrel maker? Can anyone confirm that the initials "s. f'.", translates as sa femme, his wife.? Any help will be much appreciated Charles Geoffroy Oregon, USA

I could be incorrect, but I believe that the Stonehouse where the French Episcopal Church is located is in Devon rather than Gloustershire. There are French Episcopal Church Christenings 1692-1791 entered into the IGI for Stonehouse, Devon. Perhaps I am mistaken and there is a similar church in Stonehouse, Gloustershire, but I thought it might help someone if I mentioned the one in Devon. According to Genuki, EAST STONEHOUSE is commonly called STONEHOUSE and is a populous township and parish, forming the centre of the "three towns". It is between Devonport and Plymouth. For anyone with an interest in the records, a visit to the Genuki page for East Stonehouse might be worthwhile. It's found at http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/DEV/EastStonehouse/ . Regards, Jan Zwarick

Many thanks to Jan <JanIsobel@aol.com> for very correctly pointing out that the Stonehouse where the French Episcopal Church was located is indeed in Devon (not Gloucestershire, as I had said). My apologies to all for starting this mix-up. In addition to the URL on GENUKI for Stonehouse mentioned by Jan, the following one has a map of the region in question. It shows that Stonehouse is just a few miles west of Plymouth. http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/DEV/EastStonehouse/#ChurchRecords. To clarify, there is also a Stonehouse in Gloucestershire, as I mentioned in my post earlier today. However, this clearly isn't the one we want. And, while we are clarifying, I should also mention that Bristol -- again, according to GENUKI -- is "chiefly in Gloucestershire but partly in Somerset". Sorry about my contribution to this confusion and thanks once again to Jan for setting us straight. Andrea

An elderly relative of mine thinks that she may have Huguenot ancestors. She comes from the St Margaret's Bay area of Kent where I understand many Huguenots landed. She also has a photograph of her grand-mother and great aunts wearing very unusual hair-styles which I must admit do look to be Dutch. The names she is wondering may originate from Huguenot names are JELL, JULL or GOLDSACK. Do these ring bells with anyone on the list. Jenny Jones Cornwall UK -- http://www.virgin.net/

Giles ALLEGREE is on the list of the Huguenot Society in Manakintown. He is listed on the LDS site as having been born 10 Aug 1685 in Lyon, France, married to Martha Marriott in Nov 1709 in London and active in Mannikintown through 1733. Does anyone have the sources of the information in Lyon and London? Thanks for your consideration of this request. Don

Hi, all -- I have been asked, off-list, about the location of Stonehouse in Gloucestershire so I am posting the following info in case anyone else was also wondering. I couldn't find Stonehouse on my map either :) but info that I was able to get online indicated that it is in the Cotswold Hills close to Stroud. The section for Gloucestershire on GENUKI -- UK & Ireland Genealogy, www.genuki.org -- has a map showing the different areas of the county. It's at: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/GLSImgMap.html. Stonehouse is shown as a parish at the northeastern edge of the Cotswolds region on map at this URL, also GENUKI: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/GLSImgMap4.html. There is info for Bristol (also in Gloucestershire) as well at: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Bristol/index.html. Bristol has been mentioned in some of our list posts so please check the list archives if you are interested in this location. And, last, here is a website I found called Gloucestershire Links which is at: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/flight/gloslink.html. It looks like it's well worth a visit for any researchers interested in this area of England. There is lots of info & links re: databases, surnames, mailing lists, search engines, MI's, probate records, emigration, queries, censuses, marriage indexes, all kinds of other neat stuff and access to things re: Gloucestershire. In none of the above sources could I find mention of Huguenots but maybe I didn't look hard enough or in the right places. I seem to recall that there is something on GENUKI re: Bristol Huguenots. Andrea

La Petite Larousse states that d'Ailly was a Protestant house of Picardy. The names of the Huguenots generally spelled it Dally. Many of the Huguenot families went to Tournai and in the early 1500's went to England where the earliest record is in Kent in 1507. The records of the Huguenot Society of London records many settling near the Threadneedle Street where the name Dally is spelled as: Dallier, Dalle, Dallee, Daillie, Dailli and Dally. I am related to a Jehan Dailli, son of Simon, native of Tournay (Tournai), married to Marguerite, daughter of the late Jacques Madon, native of Tournay. In fact the information from the Huguenot Society was from Mrs. J. F. Wheatley, a research assistant at the Society (and whose maiden name was Dalley). One Dally in France, Antoine had a daughter who married the son of Admiral Coligny. A Louis Dally and Charles Dally died in the battle of St. Denis in 1567, fighting for Henry of Navarre. Tom Dally

Hi folks, I would like to hear from any of the subscribers if they have a Huguenot family who settled in Ireland, and they have details of who the next generations married. For instance in the Arabin family there were 3 generations of marrying other Huguenot spouses. I am doing an undergraduate essay on 'Assimilation'. All help appreciated. This is not for publication or profit, just an essay. TIA Shirley Arabin. Mount Maunganui, NEW ZEALAND "If at first I don't succeed there is always next year"

On 24 Aug, Carol <markilli@inreach.com> was inquiring about French Episcopal churches in England -- ie. how many there were, when they came into being, etc. Carol, I also had never heard of this designation before I began researching the Bristol, Plymouth, Stonehouse records. I have no idea of their meaning, their origins, etc. However, I will have another look to see if the Introduction or Foreword in the texts give any information. (I'm usually too pressed for time to do more than take a quick glance at these sections of the records -- which are interesting and packed with info, but many pages long.) I will post anything I learn to the list sometime after next Tuesday (29 Aug) when the local FHC opens again. I don't think that the Archbishop of Canterbury would be their head because then they would be Church of England (ie. Anglican). Can any other listers shed light on this subject? Andrea

You're most welcome Hugh....<grin> Happy hunting.....malinda HDELMAR@aol.com wrote: > Reply to Message: #3 > Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:32:39 -0500 > From: malinda jones <mthiesse@swbell.net> > To: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com > Message-id: <39A2F177.A3E8178C@swbell.net> > Subject: Re: [HWE] SIX & variants > > Mailinda, > > There are some bearers of the name SEAY who are desperately trying to find a > connection between SEAY and the noble Anglo-Norman name SAYE. But if they > find it, I'm pretty sure it won't be by delving into medieval records. Other > SEAYs are not trying to find proof of the relationship, but have faith in a > legend that a Huguenot named Abraham SAYE, prior to leaving England for > America, was for a time under the protection of his distant relative the > Baron SAYE AND SELE. In fact, some of them have even visited Broughton Castle > to be assured by the ever-accomodating current Baron that their faith is not > misplaced. Others of us are skeptical of the legend and are following a > Huguenot Society clue that Abraham came from Wicres in French Flanders and > that his name was either the Flemish SAYE (a variant of SOYEZ, SOY, SAEY or > SAY) or the Walloon SIX or a variant. So I think we'll have to pass up the > chance to parade in medieval pageantry. But thanks, anyway, for trying to > help. > > Hugh Seay > > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > To access H-W-E list archives, there are two options: > Threaded Archive is at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Keyword Archive at: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/

Hello Ian: The HARLEYs or actually HARLAYs - there is a river in northern France by that name - certainly are French - some were Huguenots/Walloons and there were quite a few at Thorney, Cambridgeshire - you can get those names by going into the LDS IGI at <http://www.familysearch.org/default.asp> There have been quite a few HARLEY lists put into the rootsweb.com archives so if you look in rootsweb under the counties of Norfolk, Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire, Middlesex, etc. you may come up with a lot of names. In the Thorney register I have the marriages of: Jaques MARQUILLIER and Marie HARLAY and another Jaques MARQUILLIER and Susanne HARLAY The spelling frequently became HARLEY. I've read that one of these HARLEYs went to America and with his partner started HARLEY-DAVIDSON Motorcycles. Regards - Carol California > I am interested in a HARLEY family who are christening children and >getting married in Shoreditch St Leonards in the mid and late 18th century >but who might have previously been worshippers at Threadneedle Street. >Repeated forenames are Abraham and Anna/Hannah/Johanna, they may also have >used Benjamin and John. A piano teacher may feature somewhere ! > > Ian Wallace (in Bexleyheath, Kent).