I have just joined this excellent mailing list and so I am going to stop lurking and put out a general help call along all family lines to find others to share detail with. My line of descent from Jean TEVELEIN (b.1618, Guemps) who married in abt 1640 Marie BEUNE (b abt 1622,Guemps)is: : Isaac TEVELEIN (b 1654, Guines) + Elizabeth DASSELAR, (b unknown) m 1682, Guines, Fra Isaac TEVELEIN (b 1683, Guines) + Elizabeth OLIVE (b.1682, Guemps), m 1706, Canterbury, UK Issac TEVELIN (b 1707, Canterbury) + Ann PICARD (b. 1711, Canterbury), m 1734, Canterbury Joseph TEVELIN (b 1750 Canterbury) + Mary BRICE (b. 1750, Canterbury), m 1773, Canterbury Isabella TEVELIN (b.1791, Canterbury) + John GIBBENS (b 1792, Thanet Street), m 1825, Canterbury) Frederick GIBBENS (b 1836, Thanet Street) + Elizabeth HOPPER (b. 1833) m 1861 Emma GIBBENS (b.1866, Elham) + David Edward FISHER (b 1866) Irene Hilda FISHER (b 1909, Lyminge) + Jack BATES (b 1906 Dover) m Lyminge 1931. Clive BATES (b 1933, Lyminge) 1. I am trying to trace the associated family lines of BEUNE, DASSELAR, BLANCHAR(D), OLIVE, PICARD, BRICE, GIBBENS, GIBBONS, HOPPER and FISHER and would be very grateful for any help. 2. There are at least ten various spellings of Tevelain, Thevelin, Tiblain, Teblain, Tevlin and I am interested to know of any evidence of a Huguenot connection in these families. 3. I would be over the moon to hear of any pre-1600 ancestors ! 4 Links with FISHER prior to 1866 and with BATES prior to 1900 would also be very welcome.

I am new to this list, and I am particularly interested in the name Rhone. There are several generations of Jonathan Rhone, but I am not sure of the spelling pre-1800. My Rhone's were living in the London area in the 19th Century, and were portmanteau makers. I have also been told that my Glover ancestors were of Huguenot descent, but I have not found anything to support this theory. The earliest dates I have are the beginning of the 19th Century in Southgate, Middlesex. There also seems a very remote chance that a Mary Ann Vass, born c1808, is related. My other interests are: Mayhew, Suffolk (Sibton area) Loughlin, Ireland, Devon, Lancashire, London Harding, Berks If these names strike a chord I should be very pleased to hear from you. Thank you for any help you can give. Regards from New Zealand, Joan

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Hello to all This is my first listing so excuse any errors etc! I have, with reasonable certainty, traced my family back to Daniel deBOUFFLER who died in the Moorfields area of London in 1754 aged 81 i.e. he was born in 1673. In his will he refers to himself as Daniel deBOUFFLER but in the burial register of St Leonard's Church Shoreditch he is referred to as Daniel BOUFFLETT. His son was Thomas and both were Scaleboard Sellers (the material from which hat-boxes were made) as was Thomas' daughter. So far I have failed to find a record of Daniel's birth in England. I also have the following: 1). John BOUFFLER, OF Christchurch, Spitalfields, Middx. Weaver married to Susanne BATLE on 5th Sept 1726 in St Dunstans, Stepney. 2). Several children, off-spring of Jean BOUFFLET et Susanne BATAILLE, baptised in the French Church in Threadneedle Street. For one of them the Parrain was Thomas BOUFFLET! 3). From the Huguenot Society reproduction of the Temoignages for the Threadneedle St Church:- Jean deBOUFFLER: de Munster en Ireland. Temoigne: Anthoine BATAILLE. These raise several questions: a). Was deBOUFFLER the same as BOUFFLET the same as BOUFFLETT and was BATLE the same name as BATAILLE. My only problem with this is that I believe the names BOUFFLER and BOUFFLET exist in France today for distinctly different families. b) Was the "de" dropped by the clerk entering the information in both the Frenbch Church and St Leonards? (the "de" continued in my branch of the family until the mid-1800's). c) Was Jean deBOUFFLER de Munster en Irelande a member of King Williams Huguenot Army? d) Was Jean deBOUFFLER de Munster the same person as the John BOUFFLER married to Susanne BATAILLE in St Dunstans, Stepney? e) Maybe Daniel deBOUFFLER was born in France and fled to England around the time of the revocation of the Edict of Nantes! Any help - even the smallest clue, if you know anything about any of this, would help and be much appreciated. Regards to all John (BOUFFLER)

Everyone -- Here follow the results of the look-up requested on 22 Aug by Priscilla <SEAYAWL@compuserve.com> for surname EUDAILY (or anything like it) in the Tésmoignages of the Threadneedle Street Church in London. These records are to be found in Volume 21 of the Quarto series published by the Huguenot Society of London (now called the Huguenot Society of Great Britain and Ireland), and are also on LDS film # 0962137. For further info re: tésmoignages, please refer to a post of 16 March in list archives with subject line -- Livre des Tésmoignages: Threadneedle Street Church, London, ENG. Unfortunately, I found no EUDAILY surnames in these records or anything that looked like a variant. However, I found the following names which were *partly* similar and I include them in the hope they might be helpful. 1) The following surname has the same three beginning letters as EUDAILY and it also reminded me of the YOUDE surname posted on 12 Aug by Ken <Kenneth.Youde@tesco.net>, ?ie. both might be pretty similar in pronunciation? EUDE, Suzanne T. Ministres & anciens de St. Sauveur de Gersé 28 Sep 1707 EUDE, Madeleine: née à Londres: fille de Jaques: 17 ans 22 Sep 1708 2) The following names are similar to the last syllable in the EUDAILY surname and also similar to the names mentioned on the list in the last week by Tom <sumo@bellatlantic.net>. DAULLIE, Jacques T. Amsterdam 30 Aug 1676 Listed with Jacques, above, was Françoise DELPIERRE, probably his wife. DAILLE, Pasquier Tem. d'Amsterdam 11 Dec 1672 Listed with Pasquier, above, was Françoise DELPIER, probably his wife. DALLES, Marie T. Ireland 27 Apr 1760 I hope this info might provide some clues. Please let the rest of us know if it does. Andrea

I am a new subscriber to this list and am seeking information as to the origin of the TERPENNING surname. This surname is linked to many Huguenot families in the 16-1700's through marriage. There is a very likely chance that the surname is of French origin but there has been no evidence to date that substantiates this other than the possible variation of the THEVIN surname from Flanders. If any reader of this post has reference to a source document that can prove this theory, I, as well as many other TERPENING researchers, would be extremely grateful. The source document must be pre-1900 as many present day genealogist seem to accept the word of current researchers who can neither prove nor disprove this idea. My Dutch contacts have shown that the surname TERPENNING (or variation) did not, and does not appear in the archives of the Netherlands. My contention is (not proven) that the surname/nickname originated in England and migrated through Holland to the Americas in the early to mid 1600s. As history mentions, the Huguenots left France, migrated to England then back to Holland, eventually coming to America. It is this avenue that I am focusing on. Any assistance or advise is welcome! Len TERPENING lterpening@aol.com

Would Gromarrin or Gromarren be listed in Threadneedle records? Is there any evidence that this is a Huguenot surname?

To the List -- Here are the results of the look-up requested on 25 Aug by Sylvia <sfmaisey@nascr.net> in the records of the Threadneedle Street Church tésmoignages for surnames BARBET, BARBEY, BARBEAU, etc. For the benefit of new subscribers, Le Livre des Tésmoignages de l'Eglise de Threadneedle Street in London are in Vol. 21 of the Huguenot Society of London Quarto series and are also on LDS film # 0962137. Further details describing the tésmoignages can be found in the list archives in a post dated 16 March with subject line -- Livre des Tésmoignages: Threadneedle Street Church, London, ENG. There were no BARBEAU or BARBEY names found in these records. However, there were BARBET names and other possible variants, as listed below. BARBE, Marie: fem. de Jacques. T. Dieppe. 14 Aug 1681 BARBÉ, Jacques T. Dieppe. 5 Jly 1682 BARBE, Jaques T. Jaques LONGUES 22 Oct 1682 BARBE, Sesart T. Mr. PRIMROZE 23 Oct 1692 BARBE, Abraham: fils d'Isaac: natif de Bollebec: 15 ans 27 Dec 1699 BARBE, Jean & Esther, sa fem. T. Norwich. 29 Oct 1710 BARBET, le Sr. et da fem. T. Atis. 30 Sep 1683 BARBET, Pierre, sa fem. & sa fille: de Bolbec T. Ad. DUPRÉ 30 Jne 1723 BARBET, Elizabeth: 15 ans; proche du Havre T. son père Pierre BARBET 30 Jne 1723 BARBET, Anne: 16 ans: Londres T. son père 29 Jne 1740 BARBET, Suzane: 15 ans: Londres T. son père 29 Jne 1740 BARBET, Jean T. le Ministre de Normandie 25 Jne 1749 BARBET, Guillaume & susanne, sa fem. T. Isa. ROBERDEAU 27 Feb 1755 BARBET, Susanne Catherine 31 May 1778 BARBET, Jaques ---------- 1783 BARBIE, Jean T. Mr. PATRON 29 Nov 1761 BARBIEU, Paul et sa fem.: rapporte leur T. de notre eglise 29 Jne 1679 BARBUT, Pierre T. Ceuenes 19 Apr 1682 BARBUT, Estienne: né à Nismes T. frère PAIN 29 Oct 1727 BARBUT, Marie Orianne: 16 ans: né à Londres. T. sa mère Marianne 3 Jne 1730 BARBUT, Esther: 17 ans: de Londres T. sa mère 29 Sep 1731 BARBUT, Elizabeth: 17 ans: née à Londres T. son père 27 Jne 1739 BARBUT, Etienne & Marthe, sa fem. 24 Apr 1743 BARBUT, Anne T. J.B.G. BOUYER 25 Mar 1744 BARBUT, Etienne: 19 ans & Rachel: 18 ans T. leur mère 31 Mar 1751 There were also quite a few listings for BARBIER here which were not extracted but I can do so upon request. Hope this has been helpful! If so, please post any new info to the list. Andrea

When shedding the British rule the Irish changed the name of Kings County to OFFALY, and Queens County to LEIX or LAOIS. Portarlington is thought to be called Port because of a landing on the river. Shirley Arabin. Mount Maunganui, NEW ZEALAND "If at first I don't succeed there is always next year"

Hi, On 24 Aug, Muriel < jgambrel@mts.net > requested a look-up in the Threadneedle Street tésmoignages for surname GAMBREL, GAMBRELLE, GAMBREL, etc. (Volume 21 of the Quarto series, LDS film # 0962137.) I'm very sorry but found none of these spellings or any others that seemed likely variants. The closest one was GAMBIER. I didn't record any of these but can do so if requested. All I can say is -- keep trying and looking wherever you can! Too bad this source didn't produce any results. Andrea

Hello, fellow listers -- Here are the look-up results for surname HARLEY, etc. requested on 24 Aug by Ian < 101637.210@compuserve.com >. While HARLEY was the most frequent spelling here, there were also some HARLAY names which, as Carol <markilli@inreach.com> suggested, also in post of 24 Aug, is a variant of the same name. As a reminder and/or for those subscribers who have just joined us, these records are from Le Livre des Tésmoignages de l'Eglise de Threadneedle Street in London (Vol. 21 of the Hug. Soc. of Ldn. Quarto series, also on LDS film # 0962137). For further details about the tésmoignages and what they were, please refer to the post of 16 March in the list archives with subject line -- Livre des Tésmoignages: Threadneedle Street Church, London, ENG. HARLAI, Jean: fils d'Abraham: 19 ans: N. de Londres 24 Mar 1702 HARLAY, Jean: N. de St. Quentin: fils de Jean: 16 ans 26 Dec 1700 HARLAY, Madelaine: fille de Pierre: 14 ans 24 Sept 1701 HARLAY, Anthoine T. Mr. ETENIN, diacre. 28 Oct 1716 HARLE, Abraham T. St. Quentin 25 May 1681 HARLE, Pierre T. St. Quentin 27 Dec 1681 HARLE, Samuel T. M. METAYE 1 Jan 1685 (Listed together with Samuel above, with same date and témoin, is Susanne DU BOURG, probably his wife. See item immediately below.) HARLE, Samuel & Susanne, sa fem. T. en l'Eglise 1 Jan 1685 HARLEY, Jean T. Mr. DE SORMEAUX, ministre: Pierre LALON 23 Aug 1685 HARLEY, Susanne: native de St. Quentin: fille de Samuel: 17 ans 21 Dec 1692 HARLEY, Madeleine: native de St. Quentin: fille de Samuel: 16 ans 23 Sep 1696 HARLEY, Rachel: 15 ans: native de St. Quentin: fille de Samuel 24 Sep 1699 HARLEY, Susanne: fille de Pierre: native de Londres: 24 ans 23 Mar 1708 HARLEY, Jean: né à Londres. T. Mr. NOAILLE 27 Oct 1723 HARLEY, Susanne: 17 ans: née à Londres 29 Aug 1725 HARLEY, Anne: 15 ans: née à Londres. T. sa mère. 29 Nov 1727 HARLEY, Marthe: 16 ans: née à Londres. T. son père. 29 Nov 1727 HARLEY, Samuel T. Agace. 30 Dec 1733 HARLEY, Susanne: 18 ans; de Londres. T. son père. 28 Sep 1737 HARLEY, Jaques: 18 ans 1 Sep 1742 HARLEY, Pierre: 19 ans T. Mr. HUMPHREYS 27 Jne 1744 HARLEY, Pierre: 19 ans T. sa mère 29 Jly 1747 HARLEY, Isaac T. son père 26 Feb 1748 HARLEY, Catherine Marie: 18 ans T. sa mère 3 Aug 1748 HARLEY, Jean 25 Apr 1756 HARDELAY, Henry & Marthe, sa fem. T. Mr. HEMERY 26 Jan 1700 HARDELAY, Marthe: 55 ans. Clerembault. 26 Aug 1722 HARDELEY, Henry: 19 ans: né à Londres T. sa mère 1 Nov 1727 HARDLEY, Madeleine: 18 ans: née à Londres. T. sa mère 22 Aug 1722 Note: there are also listings here for HARDY surname, which were not extracted. Ian, I hope some connections are made as a result of this search. If so, I hope you will post further info to share with the list. Good luck. Andrea

Hi Marie: There was a colony of English 'dissenters' in Leiden called the Brownists - they comingled with the French Protestants who were there as fellow congregationalists or exiled Protestants but I don't think many of them married. When the Speedwell sailed from Walcheren (I think) to England before setting out with the Mayflower (and before springing a leak that made them change vessels), the French Protestants (Walloons for the most part I do believe) and the Brownists were together. Some of the French continued on to America along with Brewster and his group of followers who were English Brownists as far as I can remember from the Pilgrim's Museum in Leiden (I think they are on the internet now). Hope this helps. Carol California At 09:51 AM 8/28/00 -0400, you wrote: >Was William Brewster and his group of followers, who sailed from Leiden to >Plymouth Rock, MA, Huguenots? Know they were Pilgrims and dissenters (I >believe) but don't know if Pilgrims could have been Huguenots. > >Thanks to anyone answering. > >Marie >Marie Brunson Jefferson >mjeffers@surfsouth.com

Andrea, I am in the process of moving and will be disconnecting my E-mail today. Will get back to you with my new E-mail address ASAP. Thanks. Cal

Bonjour to everyone -- Just a few words in my role as list concierge. I would like to remind listers that all SURNAMES mentioned in posts -- and those in subject lines as well -- should be capitalized. There have been quite a few posts lately where this has not been happening. This is item #1 in our list guidelines and there's a good reason for it. Capitalizing SURNAMES makes them more noticeable. It's then quicker and easier for all of us to scan through a message -- the SURNAMES will jump out at you immediately if they are in capitals. Thanks for everyone's cooperation with this. Andrea

Hello All: To paraphrase the PRO article on 'domestic records' of foreigners during the past 600 years,"there is no composite index of the surnames but the Huguenot Society publications of Huguenot and Walloon surnames are indexed in the back of each volume [You can look at the PRO webpage and see the leaflets available and the information on the site.] Descriptions of all classes of records are in the Guide to the Contents of the PRO, annually updated. The Chancery and Exchequer (C 47 and E 106) hold the earliest references to aliens living in England. In Chancery Miscellanea (C 47) documents in bundles 15 to 21 relate to alien clergy, bundle 13 to foreign merchants in the period Henry III to Henry VIII. Some of these records include rolls of foreigners' names living around London (can be also found in Huguenot Society vol. 10 - Returns of Aliens in London 1523-1625). Huguenot Society, Vol. VIII, 1893 Naturalizations of Aliens in England 1509-1603, W. A. Shaw; Letters of Denization and Acts of Naturalization for Aliens in England 1603-1800 in Huguenot Society Vols XVIII, XXVII, XXXV. The State Papers, Domestic, Edward VI (SP 10), Mary (SP 11) and Elizabeth (SP 12 and 13) include returns of Strangers in London and other places and from 1560 give the surnames of many Huguenots from France and Walloons from the Low Countries - by R.E.G. Kirk [Some Calendar of State Papers Domestic can be found on the Internet - I go to www.google.com and put in State_Papers_Domestic and then look from there] Returns of Aliens in London 1523-1603 can be found in Huguenot Society Vol. X which lists names from the Alien Rolls and others such as the Lansdowne MSS in the British Museum (now the British Library). Some lists of these people also appear in Calendar of State Papers Domestic, Edw VI to James I, Vols 1 to V - which have indexes. Aliens in London and other places are also to be found in State Papers, Domestic, James I (SP 14), Addenda (SP 15), Charles I (SP 16), Interregnum (SP 18) and Chas II (SP 29 and 30). Also look at Huguenot Soc. Vol. XVIII for lists of denizations 1681-1688. The History of the French, Walloon, Dutch and other Foreign Protestant Refugees in England from Henry VIII to the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes by J.S. Burn has many short lists. The Non-Parochial Registers (RG 4) from the Registrar General's Office include records formerly kept in churches of refugees in London and other places - these are described in a published list of Non-Parochial Registers and Records, reprinted in Vol 42 in series of "publications of the List and Index Society" (?). RG 4 can be looked at on microfilm at the Family Records Centre (not LDS) and the PRO, Kew. The names of Protestants in the Oath Rolls are in the Hug. Soc. Vol. XXVII, and names of persons taking the Oath in Vol. XXX, sec. II. A look in the Calendar of Treasury Papers 1557-1728 may turn up names of foreigners who received payments. Also of interest - Embarkation Lists in bundle (T 1/119) of Palatine subjects who travelled from Holland to England in 1709 - they are also referenced in State Papers Foreign (SP 84) In this leaflet there are many more references to later emigrants, i.e. The French Refugees Relief Committee (T 93) 1792-1828, also found in PRO Lists and Indexes, No. XLVI (1922). As noted in leaflet, many other records of foreigners are to be found in the Guildhall Library, London; at Cambridge University Library, Lambeth Palace Library, Bodleian Library, Oxford, Huguenot Society Library (Huguenot collection also kept at the Society of Genealogists in London) - see the Genealogists' Magazine, Vol. XII (1956) for details." You can see these article in full by going to the PRO (Public Record Office) webpage and clicking on Leaflets (if I remember correctly). Carol

Hello, list -- At the end of his post on 26 Aug, Jerry <sumo@bellatlantic.net> mentioned that he didn't know where Portarlington, IRL was located. After my recent blunder re: location of Stonehouse <g>, I hope listers will permit me to offer the following information about Portarlington. First, from GENUKI, here is information about The French Church at Portarlington, ie. St. Paul's. It's at URL: http://ireland.iol.ie/~offaly/stpauls.htm. Also according to GENUKI, Portarlington is one of the chief towns of County Laois (also apparently known as Leix or Queen's county). This is a county which is bounded on the north and west by King's county, on the east by Kildare and part of Carlow, in the south by Kilkenny, and the southwest by Tipperary. Here's a URL for a county map of Ireland on which Laois can be located -- http://www.wisc.edu/history/famine/ir_map.html. Here's another URL which shows the exact location of Portarlington within the county -- http://www.goireland.com/scripts/low/area.asp?areatype=c&areaid=182. The last URL is from a larger site for Ireland's National Tourism Service (GoIreland) and I notice that it does have a genealogy section at -- http://www.goireland.com/Genealogy/. Information there includes a searchable database for surnames, tips for searching, links, Irish genealogy centres, etc. Anyone researching Ireland may also be interested in a post sent to the list 16 July with subject line -- Irish websites: Fianna. Hope this has been of interest. And that it's accurate!! If not, please don't hesitate to let me know. Andrea > P.S. I don't know where Port Arlington, IR is located.

Was William Brewster and his group of followers, who sailed from Leiden to Plymouth Rock, MA, Huguenots? Know they were Pilgrims and dissenters (I believe) but don't know if Pilgrims could have been Huguenots. Thanks to anyone answering. Marie Marie Brunson Jefferson mjeffers@surfsouth.com

Some dates from the 1620s, taken with gratitude from HUGUENOT & PROTESTANT REFORMED CHRONOLOGY on the The Pierre Chastain Family Association web site: http://www.kopower.com/~jimchstn/timeline.htm You might also post on the Alsace-Lorraine list if you haven't already to find out if there were specific places in that area that had persecutions around that time leading to emigration to Switzerland. 1624 Richelieu given seat on Royal Council and appointed chief minister to Louis XIII. 1625-1686 Huguenots sought refuge in French colonies in Lesser Antilles of Caribbean -- St. Christopher, Guadeloupe, Martinique. 1626 Jesuits joined Franciscans in Quebec and religious turmoil began as privileges were withdrawn for Huguenots. Trade declined. Cardinal Richelieu was rising to power in France as he moved to reduce the political power of Huguenots. Siege of La Rochelle begins. Manhattan Island bought from Indians by Peter Minuet, a Huguenot. Permanent settlement established at Salem, MA, included Huguenots. 1627 King Charles I of England declared himself a friend of French Huguenots. 1628 English fleet sent to relieve Huguenots at La Rochelle, which had been under blockade by French troops under Louis XIII. Relief failed and La Rochelle fell to French troops on Oct. 8, 1628. Acadia (Nova Scotia) fell to English. By 1628 There were 300 inhabitants of New Amsterdam, mostly Huguenots. First Huguenot Church established on Manhattan Island. 1629 Huguenots in England ask for permission from King Charles I to settle in Carolinas and set sail in 1630, but were landed in VA. Massachusetts Bay Company charter granted. Jan. 1629 Some 50 settlers left England to establish, Charlestown, MA. Sir Robert Heath's Carolina charter granted. Baltimore decides to settle on the Chesapeake. Peace of Alais ends civil war in France and Huguenots cease to exist as a political force. -- "An aimless joy is a pure joy," ...And wisdom is a butterfly And not a gloomy bird of prey." ~ William Butler Yeats, "Tom O'Roughley" ---------- >From: Mike and Betty Sweeney <mjs2@swbell.net> >To: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [HWE] Urner >Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000, 10:04 PM > > I am trying to figure out if the URNER family in Pennsylvania are > Huguenots. They were from Alsace and driven to Switzerland during the > persecutions of 1672. I don't know what the persecutions of 1672 were. Your > help is appreciated. > Mike Sweeney > > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe (if you are in digest mode), > type and send only the word unsubscribe to: > HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ > >

I am trying to figure out if the URNER family in Pennsylvania are Huguenots. They were from Alsace and driven to Switzerland during the persecutions of 1672. I don't know what the persecutions of 1672 were. Your help is appreciated. Mike Sweeney

This is a wonderful find Andrea, Thank you so much!! These are my Hugenot/Walloon ancestors!! We have some portraits of Helen Chick and her two brothers in the family. No idea of the brothers' names but here is a link. I have made some attempt to trace back the Knowlers from info on the LDS site back to 15th Century with a Radulphus and Thomas Knowler. I have found some info on Abraham leGrand's son Stephen who went to Cambridge and became a doctor in London. I think I posted this already. You have that information here. I had Abraham LeGrand senior marrying an Elizabeth Danbrinbe from the LDS records looks like his wife was really Helen Plummer. Any more info you may have on this much appreciated. I also found a Gentleman Abraham LeGrand buying a copy of the History of Sandwich from teh ancestry.com database, so perhaps they originally settled in Sandwich. All I need to do next is find if the stones still exist - I bet they are illegible now - but who knows. Best Regards Chris Cork