Hi to all on the list -- I know we have several subscribers who are researching TEVELIN and this name has been mentioned in previous posts. Consequently, I thought the following extracts from the records of the Malt-house Chapel in Canterbury would be of interest. As I have mentioned before, these records begin in 1710 and end in 1745, mostly baptisms, only one or two marriages, no burials/deaths. They are to be found on microfilm # 1482451. This is a copy of original, contemporary records, which are handwritten and in French. Obviously, not indexed. These extracts were found between dates 1722 and 1738. Note that other surnames are also mentioned (as parrains/marraines), as well as a name mentioned in Jan's post a few days ago -- Minister Pierre LE SUEUR. I think that the surnames MARQUILLY, DANBRIAN and BLANCHAR will also be of interest to some listers. Also a comment re: surname ESLEVIN. I believe this is a variant of ELVIN, ELWIN, ELEVIN, etc., a name I just happen to have some additional info about because I know another researcher who is interested in this name (but not on this list). Enjoy and please post with your comments or connections. Andrea (Please verify original records yourself to recheck what I have listed below.) 1722 -- Elizabeth, fille de Jacob TEVELIN et d'Ester, sa femme, est née le 6e de Septembre 1722 et a eté batisée le 16 du meme mois. Jaques MARQUILLEY et Jeanne BLANCHAR et Marie TEVELIN sont les Parrains et Marraines. Pierre LE SUEUR. 1724 -- Marie TEVELIN est née le 22 Septembre 1724 et a eté presentee au Bateme par Guillaume BRAFORD et Marie ESLEVIN et Elizabeth TEVELIN. P. LE SUEUR. 1726 -- Matthieu, fils de Jacob TEVELAIN et d'Ester ESLEVIN: ne le 23 d'Avril 1726 et a ete presente le meme jour au bapteme par Matthieu LAMPAR et par Marie DU PONS. P. LE SUEUR. 1727/8 -- Ester, fille de Jacob TEVELIN et de sa femme est nee le 8 mars 1727/8 et a ete batisse le meme jour par moi et a eu pour parrain Matthieu LAMPAR et pour marrain Elizabeth TEVELIN. Pierre LE SUEUR. 1729 -- Sara, fille de Jacob TEVELIN et d'Ester sa femme est née le 26 Juin 1729 a ete batissée le 29 et a eu pour parrain Isaac TEVELIN et pour marraine Marie DU PON et Elizabeth TEVELIN. Pierre LE SUEUR. 1730/1 -- Jeanne, fille de Jacob TEVELIN et d'Ester, sa femme, est née le 14 Janvier 1730/1, batisée le meme jour a eu pour parrain Pierre BURETTE et pour maraines Marie DU BOC et Elizabeth BOULANGER. 1733 -- Jean, fils de Jacob TEVELIN et d'Ester, sa femme, est né le 10 May 1733 a ete batise le dimanche suivant, a eu pour Parrains Jean BLANCHARD et Isaac TEVELIN et pour marraines Jeanne MORGIN et Marie ?PETSAN? P. LE SUEUR. 1735 -- Ester, fille de Jacob TEVELIN et d'Ester, sa femme est née le 26 Avril 1735 et a eu pour parrain Isaac TEVELIN et pour Marraines Elizabeth TEVELIN et Elizabeth BLAIS. Pierre LE SUEUR. 1736 -- Benjamin, fils de Jacob TEVELIN et d'Ester, sa femme, est né le 23 d'Octobre 1736 et a ete batisé le meme jour et a eu pour parrains Pierre TOURTEAU et Gillaume L'OR et pour marraine Marie BERNARD. Pierre LE SUEUR. 1738 -- Pierre, fils de Jacob TEVELIN et d'Ester, sa femme, est ne le 22 Septembre 1738 a ete batise le 24 a eu pour Parrains Jean SEGUIN et Jean DANBRIAN et pour Marraine Dina TEVELIN. Pierre LE SUEUR. END

Andrea wondered where Forrens Chapel was/is. I haven't found the chapel itself but I believe I've located where it is or might have been. There is an area of the King's School in Canterbury which includes "The Forrens". If you are interested in having a peek at The Forrens' gate and seeing many historical buildings at the King's School, go to http://www.kings-school.co.uk/tour/mint_yard.htm . The picture of The Forrens is found on about the third page of the Green ? (can't remember, sorry) section of the tour. The photography is crisp and does justice to a beautiful, old setting. Regards, Jan Zwarick

Judy: Most of the French Huguenots settled in County Galway so you might look there first. Tom Dally

Hi List: Much of our family history indicates that our ancestors originated in France. We have documented US family to the 1700's. An elderly relative since deceased indicated she had information the French name was "De Feron". I have found this name listed as a Huguenot surname between 1643-1714. Further research lists a DeFaryon surname in Ireland. These names are close approximations of our current surname. I'm looking at Ireland as a departure point since many family members believe we "originated" in Ireland. Our family history also indicates the original emigrants landed in what is now Savannah, GA. Earliest birthdates of ancestors in USA are c. 1750 in VA. Looking for assistance particularly as it relates to research in Ireland. Judy

Judy, For more than a year I've subscribed to the Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com to research both my Scotch-Irish and French Huguenot ancestors and found the discussions there particularly enlightening about how to do research in Northern Ireland (probably where your Protestant people settled at that time period), as well as history of the area and when and why people left for America. You can search the archives to this list as well. You may not find your surname, but you'll certainly find out HOW to find it in Northern Ireland (easiest research can be done in the U.S. using LDS films, and it's lots less expensive than going to Northern Ireland where research is much more difficult, anyway). Kindest regards, Bonnie Bowman Henson Some French Huguenot surnames: DeTATE, TAIT, GANO, GAYNEAUX ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Wilming <jwil@capital.net> To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:06 PM Subject: [HWE] DE FERON/DE FARYON > Hi List: Much of our family history indicates that our ancestors originated in France. We have documented US family to the 1700's. An elderly relative since deceased indicated she had information the French name was "De Feron". I have found this name listed as a Huguenot surname between 1643-1714. Further research lists a DeFaryon surname in Ireland. These names are close approximations of our current surname. I'm looking at Ireland as a departure point since many family members believe we "originated" in Ireland. Our family history also indicates the original emigrants landed in what is now Savannah, GA. Earliest birthdates of ancestors in USA are c. 1750 in VA. Looking for assistance particularly as it relates to research in Ireland. > Judy > > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe (if you are in list mode), > type and send only the word unsubscribe to: > HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi, listers -- some follow-up comments on the location of the Malt-house Chapel, apparently located somewhere within the Precincts of Canterbury Cathedral. First, many thanks to my two fellow Canadians, Jan and Janis, for their contributions on this topic (29 & 30 Sept) . Janis is correct in pointing out that the Precincts is a large area inside the walls which surround the Cathedral and that there are many buildings located there which, today, include such things as book stores and gift shops. At one time, there could well have been a malt-house (ie. a brewery). For anyone who is unfamiliar with the Cathedral and its surrounding area but would like to learn more, the following URL's may be helpful. For example, here is a map which shows the Precincts and where the Cathedral is situated within: http://www.canterbury-cathedral.org/histprecincts.html. (No brewery on this map, though <g>). Note that there is just one entrance to the Precincts (look at bottom of the map, towards the left). That's called the Christchurch Gateway (Christchurch being the Cathedral). If you go to the following URL, http://www.s-h-systems.co.uk/hotels/cathedra.html, you will see a photo of this Gateway and, to its right, is the Cathedral Gate Hotel with the spire of the Cathedral visible behind it. The Hotel was built in the 1400's so it would have been there (but probably not as a hotel) at the time of the Walloon Church and the Malthouse Chapel. The following URL shows a photo of some of the houses and buildings within the Cathedral Precincts -- http://www.hillside.co.uk/tour/d108.html. And, finally, here's another URL which shows an aerial photograph of the Cathedral, the Precincts, and the surrounding area of the city of Canterbury: http://www.digiserve.com/peter/cath-a.htm. Also, the church mentioned by Jan in her post is undoubtably the Malt-house Chapel. The dates fit (1709-1745) and I did see the name of Pierre LE SUEUR, as Minister, in the records c1720's+. But if even historians are unclear as to where this congregation met, it's doubtful that we'll learn any more. I wonder where the Forrens Chapel is -- possibly one of the many small chapels within the Cathedral itself. As for Jean CHERPENTIER, perhaps he was minister of the Walloon Church because the dates he served (1700-1709), as mentioned by Jan, pre-date the Malt-house. Does anyone know what "swallowed whole" the Book of Common Prayer might mean, though? And that "disreputable.... tussle in the crypt pulpit one Sunday" sounds interesting. I, for one, would love to learn more. I am assuming that this means that the tussle took place during the services of the Walloon Church congregation -- because this is where they worshipped, ie. in the Crypt or Undercroft. A map showing the various areas and chapels in the Crypt of the Cathedral is at http://www.digiserve.com/peter/crypt.htm. Any further info known by other listers is welcomed. You're all way too quiet for a group of almost three hundred people. Andrea

Hi, everyone -- I know that at least one person on this list (Jan) is researching LEPINE and its variants. Since I found quite a few entries of this name in a search of the BT's (Bishop's Transcripts) of the parish of All Saints Canterbury, I thought I would post these extracts here. They occurred between 1662/3 and 1812. This info is on LDS film # 1736584. However, there were no LEPINE, etc. surnames here til 1746 (when one solitary one appeared) and then quite consistently beginning at 1764. Please verify any info below with a personal search of your own. I must comment that the handwriting in this document 1662/3-c1685 was very difficult to read. Hope this is of help to Jan and, of course, to others out there. Andrea 1746 Aug 6 Bur Mary LEPINE, an infant 1764 Nov 18 Marr Elizabeth Harrod, otp & Joseph Jeane DE L'ESPINE of St. George the Martyr in Middlesex, lic. 1765 Aug 25 Marr Hannah Barwick & Charles LEPINE, botp. lic. 1766 Jan 12 Bapt William, son of Charles & Hannah LEPINE 1767 Oct 18 Bapt Daniel, son of Charles & Hannah LEPINE 1770 Jly 29 Bapt Charles, son of Charles & Hanah LEPINE 1773 Nov 21 Bapt Catherine, dau of Charles & Hannah LEPINE 1776 Jly 14 Bapt Daniel, son of Daniel & Elizabeth LEPINE 1776 Nov 24 Marr Ann Petman & Samuel LEPINE, botp, lic. 1777 Apr 20 Bapt Hariot, dau of Samuel & Ann LEPINE 1778 Jan 8 Bur Daniel, son of Daniel LEPINE 1778 Sep 6 Bapt George, son of Samuel & Ann LEPINE 1780 Apr 2 Bapt Hannah, dau of Charles & Hannah LEPINE 1781 Feb 15 Bur Daniel LEPINE 1781 Mar 4 Bapt Henry William, son of Samuel & Ann LEPINE 1782 Mar 31 Bapt Charles, son of Daniel & Ann LEPINE 1782 May 7 Marr Edward Berwick & Elizabeth LEPINE, botp, banns 1783 Jly 13 Bapt Robert, son of Samuel & Ann LEPINE 1784 Feb 15 Bapt Susan, dau of Charles & Hannah LEPINE 1784 Aug 8 Bur Susan, dau of Charles LEPINE 1785 Jly 31 Bur Charles, son of Daniel LEPINE 1785 Aug 14 Bapt Harriott, dau of Samuel & Ann LEPINE 1788 Aug 31 Bapt Charles, son of William & Jane LEPINE 1789 Jan 18 Bapt John Petman, son of Samuel & Anne LEPINE c1789-1795 Samuel LEPINE named in records as churchwarden 1790 Feb 28 Bapt Sarah, dau of William & Jane LEPINE 1791 Apr 24 Bapt Edwin, son of Samuel & Ann LEPINE (privately) 1791 Sep 30 Bur Sarah, infant dau of William & Jane LEPINE 1792 Mar 18 Bapt Stephen, son of William & Jane LEPINE 1792 Apr 29 Bapt Sarah Esther, dau of Charles & Ann LEPINE 1792 Aug 11 Marr Thomas Cozens, bac, of St. Alphege & Ann LEPINE, spr, otp, banns 1793 Feb 24 Bapt Charles Edward, son of Samuel & Ann LEPINE 1793 Oct 9 Bur Stephen, son of William & Jane LEPINE, age 19 months 1794 Jan 23 Bapt George, son of Charles & Ann LEPINE 1794 Apr 22 Bapt Henry, son of William & Jane LEPINE 1795 Jne 28 Bapt Mary Ann, dau of Samuel & Ann LEPINE 1795 Dec 2 Bapt Stephen, son of William & Jane LEPINE 1795 Dec 23 Marr John Hudson of St. Paul's, bac. & Catherine LEPINE, otp, spr. 1796 Sep 29 Bapt Catherine, dau of Charles & Ann LEPINE 1797 Dec 25 Bapt Elizabeth, dau of William & Jane LEPINE 1798 Apr 23 Bur Catherine, dau of Charles & Ann LEPINE, age 20 months 1799 Jan 3 Bur Catherine LEPINE, widow, age 88 1799 Apr 9 Bapt Ann, dau of Charles & Ann LEPINE 1799 Oct 31 Marr Charles Dowsett of St. John, Thanet, bac & Alice LEPINE, spr, banns Comment: just wondering if surname Dowsett above could have once been DOUCETTE? 1800 Feb 24 Bapt Jane, dau of William & Jane LEPINE 1800 Dec 14 Bur Daniel LEPINE, age 65, from St. Mildred's 1801 Aug 22 Bapt Charles Henry, son of Charles & Ann LEPINE (P.B.) Comment re: abbreviation P.B. = privately baptised. 1801 Aug 25 Bur Charles Henry, infant son of Charles & Ann LEPINE 1801 Sep 25 Bur Ann, wife of Charles LEPINE, age 31 1802 Apr 8 Bapt Nancy, dau of William & Jane LEPINE 1802 May 11 Bur Hannah, wife of Charles LEPINE, the Elder, age 62 1803 Sep 22 Bapt Daniel, son of William & Jane LEPINE 1803 Nov 11 Bur Daniel, infant son of William & Jane LEPINE 1803 Nov 22 Bur William LEPINE, age 66 1804 Oct 18 Bapt Daniel, son of William & Jane LEPINE, born 14 Sept 1805 Mar 8 Bur Daniel, son of James & Elizabeth LEPINE, age 3, from St. Mary Northgate 1806 Mar 30 Bapt Thomas Richard, son of William & Jane LEPINE, born 25 Feb 1806 Oct 31 Bur Thomas Richard, infant son of William & Jane LEPINE 1807 Apr 30 Bur Hannah, wife of Charles LEPINE, Senr., age 58 1807 Jne 29 Bur Charles, son of William & Jane LEPINE, age 18 years 1807 Oct 25 Bapt Charles, son of William & Jane LEPINE, born 25 Sep 1808 Oct 28 Bur Daniel, son of James & Elizabeth LEPINE from St. Mary Northgate, age 2 years 1809 Oct 18 Bur William, son of James & Elizabeth LEPINE from St. Mary Northgate, age 6 months 1810 Sep 7 Bur Ann LEPINE, widow, from St. Mary Northgate, age 72 1812 Jne 2 Marr William Goulden, bac, of Holy Cross Westgate "without the gate" & Hannah LEPINE, spr, otp, lic. 1812 Oct 25 Bapt Eliza Ann, dau of John Petman LEPINE & his wife Elizabeth END

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To the list -- On 23 Sept, a lookup in the 2000 GRD was requested by Leon <EFCHvia@aol.com> for surname VIA, originating in France. Sorry but I found no listings for VIA. The spellings closest to it are the following. There is VIAL (Australia, France, Cornwall in ENG, and MI in USA, mostly in 1800's). There is also VIAN listed for Cornwall, but again a recent time period (pre-1900). Lastly, there is VIARD, Parish & Chantilly, FRA, pre-1800. Please contact me off-list if you think any of these would be of help to you. Andrea

Hi -- here are some GRD look-up results for Chris <cleonardca@earthlink.net> who, on 21 Sept, made this request for surname FRANCISCO. I don't know if this listing will be of any help -- it's in such a late time period -- but I am sending it just in case. There is one person who is researching FRANCISCO, 1815+, in two locations -- Eastbourne, Sussex, ENG and Newcastle, NSW, Australia. Her name is Vivienne Northcote, 17 Bourke Street, Carrington, NSW 2294, AUS. Another one of those people with no e-mail!! Good luck to you, Chris. If anyone else comes across this surname, I hope you will let Chris know. Andrea

Has anyone including Andrea seen the surname ANGER, ANGEIRS, ANGEIR, AINGER, AUNGIER, ANGERS in Canterbury, Kent or elsewhere in Kent. I have seen published sources that there was an Anger in Dover in Kent. Does anyone have lookup material for Dover and Canterbury. I am presently looking for the names NICHOLAS, THOMAS, and JOSEPH ANGER ( ANGEIR, ANGIER, ANGEIRS, AINGER ETC), Any evidence of a Nicholas Anger, immigrant huguenot or walloon. Records of Carol Markille listed a NICHOLAS ANGERwith a notation (popuit fuit). Does this mean fleeing people or regugees? Another entry lists the phrase "solom die." What does this mean Are these french or Latin phrases? Other names from the Emneth lookup of Carol Markille includge Samuel, Isaac, Mary, wife of Nicholas, and Elizabeth. Thomas, son of Nicholas, may have gone to London. Any information on these names or this family is appreciated. Tom Angers Lafayette, Louisiana USA

Listers -- as a follow-up to my post a couple of days ago (28 Sept), here is more info for Swiss research which I hope will be of interest. Also, many thanks to Roy, a new subscriber, who contributed further sources in his post yesterday (29 Sept). Hope this helps someone out there. If anyone is researching in Switzerland, I hope they will share what they have with the list. Andrea The following sources have been filmed by LDS so should be available (when ordered from Salt Lake) at any FHC -- 1) Les families du réfuge en pays neuchâtelois par Louis VIVIEN. Comprend index. Originally published in Parish, 1899. (Descendants of French Protestants in the Canton of Neuchâtel, Switzerland. Indexed. Written in French, 202 pgs.) LDS Film # 962763 2) La colonie française, ancienne commune huguenote de Berne: contribution à l'étude du droit public Bernois par Florian IMER. Published Neuchâtel,1933. (History of the French Bernese Huguenots. Written in French, 278 pgs.) LDS Film # 897041 3) Genealogical research in the French speaking parts of Switzerland, including Swiss Huguenot records by Olivier CLOTTU. Written in English. Published by LDS c1969, 22 pgs. LDS Film # 897215 or fiche # 6039357 4) Registres mortuaires des français réfugiés à Lausanne. Registres1689-1725 et aussi Registres 1688-1771. Microfilm des originaux dans les Archives cantonales à Lausanne, Suisse.Comprend des index. (Registers of burials for French refugees at Lausanne. Written in French, indexed. Film of the original records located at the Lausanne Archives.) LDS Film # 885762 And here is a list of other sources which, unfortunately, have *not* been filmed by LDS but which would be available on the bookshelves at the FH Library in Salt Lake (and which can *perhaps* be tracked down via sources which list out-of-print/hard to find books) -- 5) Die "Réfugiés d'Orange" in der Schweiz, 1703-1704: eine Sammlung Akten aus den Staatsarchiven von Genf, zusammengestellt durch Henri Denkinger. Text auf Deutsch und Französisch. Photokopie des Originals. Published: Magdeburg, 1908. Gebunden mit: Aus dem synodalen Leben der Konföderation reformierter Kirchen in Niedersachsen I-III / Friedrich H.BRANDES (History of the Huguenot refugees resident in Genève, Switzerland, 1703-1704. Written in French and German.) Salt Lake City Library Call Number 943 F2gd v. 13 6) Genève au temps de la révocation de l'Edit de Nantes, 1680-1705 par Olivier REVERDUN, et al. Societe d'histoire et d'archéologie de Genève. Dépouillement: Politique et refuge. Genève face à la Révocation Jérôme Sautier -- L'Eglise de Genève et la Révocation de l'Edit nantes Olivier Fatio avec la collaboration de Louise Martin -- Vie économique et refuge à Genève à la fin du XVIIe siècle (Geneva, Switzerland, at the time of the revocation of the Edict of Nantes, 1685-1705. Volume 50 of documents published by Société d'Histoire et d'Archéogie de Genève. Published Geneva c1985. Contains numberous articles on a variety of subjects. Written in French, 525 pgs.) Look under surname RIVERDUN via Author Search in the Family History Library Catalog on the LDS site for details about the various articles in this source.) Salt Lake City Library Call Number 949.454/G1 H2g 7) Livre des habitants de Genève 1684-1792, publié avec une introduction et des tables analytiques par Alfred PERRENOUD. Series: Mémoires et documents, Société d'Histoire et d'Archéogie de Genève, No. 51. Published: Genève, c1985. Comprend les noms, métiers et lieux d'origine des refugiés huguenots de Genève. (Lists names, occupations and place of origin of Huguenot refugees who fled to Geneva, Switzerland from 1684-1792. Indexed. Written in French, 537 pgs.) Salt Lake City Call Number 949.454/G1 H2L 8) Le grand refuge, 1685-1700, particulièrement en Suisse. Sources et bibliographie par Auguste LACOSTE. Published: Bern, 1951. Series: Veröffentlichungen der Schweizerischen Gesellschaft für Familienforschung, ser. 1, no. 19. (Sources and bibliography of the Huguenot migration, especially to Switzerland, 1685-1700. Written in French and German, 23 pgs.) Salt Lake City Call Number 949.4 B4ss ser. 1 no. 19 9) Die Hugenottengemeinde Aarau 1685-1699 von Friedrich Clemens EBRARD. Written in German. Salt Lake City Library Call Number 949.435 B5a v. 50 10) Urkunden zur Geschichte hugenottischer Gemeinden in Deutschland. Text auf Französisch mit deutschen Anmerkungen. Redaktion und Anmerkungen von Friedrich H. BRANDES. Mit Index. Photokopie des Originals. Series: Geschichtsblätter des Deutschen Hugenotten-Vereins : Zehnt 11, H. 10 (Source documents for a history of Huguenot congregations in Germany. Written in French and German. Published Magdeburg, 1902. Look under surname BRANDES via Author Search in the Family History Library Catalog on the LDS site for details about the various articles in this source.) Salt Lake City Library Call Number 943 F2gd v. 11 pt. 10 END

Hi: I note that the info quoted by Andrea states that the malt-house chapel was situate in the precincts of Canterbury Cathedral. The Precincts, as I understand it, is the area within the walls which surround the Cathedral grounds. Having visited Canterbury Cathedral years ago on a number of occasions I know that this covers a large area and includes a number of buildings apart from the Cathedral itself. Just inside the main gate into the precinct are a number of buildings on the left where there were souvenirs shops, etc. when I last visited. Thus the malt-house chapel may not have been inside the Cathedral itself but rather in the grounds. I have a few souvenir booklets which contain limited info about the Cathedral but none of them mention the malt-house chapel. Perhaps a larger book on the Cathedral would have more details. However I looked in another book "The Explorer's Guide to the Abbeys, Monasteries and Churches of Great Britain". It states under Malthouse "A necessary facility for the production of the staple drink of beer and provided within the precincts, together with its associated kiln. It was usually located in the outer court but as such buildings were normally timber-framed, their existence is indicated only in records." This description refers to Abbeys but perhaps the same would be true of the Cathedral. Could there have been a malt house in the precinct of the Cathedral at one time and it was that building that was turned over to the breakaway congregation? A map of Canterbury c1700 (partly based on Doidge, 1752) clearly shows numerous buildings within the precinct of the Cathedral. The accompanying notes state that Christ Church Priory had been replaced by a Dean and 12 prebends (the house and garden of each of these canons is shown on the map). These 12 houses are shown on the map within the walls of the Cathedral grounds along with a stables and other buildings. Cheers. Janis London, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrea Vogel" <andreav@island.net> To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: September 29, 2000 3:37 PM Subject: [HWE] Malt-house Chapel, Canterbury, Kent, ENG > Listers -- for those researching in Canterbury, Kent, ENG, here is some > info which may be new to you. > In c1709-10, some of the members of the Canterbury Walloon Church broke > away from that congregation to form their own church which was called "the > Malt-house" Chapel. > I have no idea why it was called "the Malt-house" because it was located > within the precincts of the Cathedral (as was the main Walloon Church). Can > any other listers help out with further info about the origins of this name? > There may have been theological reasons for this break but one point > of disagreement seems to have been that the Walloon Church did not provide > financial support/relief to some church members, as they had apparently done > before. > The records of the Malt-house are on LDS film # 1482451. This is a > filmed copy of the original contemporary records which are held at the PRO > (Public Record Office) in London. They date from 1710 to 1745 but contain > mostly baptisms. There are only one or two marriage records and no > burials/deaths at all. After being spoiled by the indexed records published > by the Hug. Soc. of London (ie. the Quarto series), I confess that I found > it a bit of a different challenge to go through these records! > I'll be posting various bits of info from these records over the next > while, because I think they may be of interest and help to other listers. > > On the first page of the records is the following form (which is > printed, but with blanks filled by handwritten info). It was probably > required to be completed by all such non-parochial churches (ie. those not > of the established Church of England). I have indicated by quotation marks > which parts were filled in by hand. > > Certificate or Statement to accompany Register Books as recommended in > the Circular. > To the Commissioners for inquiring into the State, Custody and > Authenticity of Non-parochial Registers. > The annexed or accompanying Book is the original Register Book of > "Marriages and Baptisms of the conformist French Chapel commonly called the > 'Malt-house'" which has been kept for the Chapel or Meeting house, called > "The Malt-house", being of the "Episcopal Church" denomination, situate in > "the precincts of Canterbury Cathedral" in the county of "Kent", founded > about the year "unknown, now dissolved, when unknown" (the word "when" is > underlined here). > The Book sent has been from time to time in the custody of the "scribe" > for the time being of the Congregation; and is sent to the Commissioners > from the immediate custody of "the same persons who held the register of the > Walloon congregation" of "the Cathedral Undercroft" in the "City of > Canterbury" who have kept it since "1817" as "Minister of the Walloon > congregation and depository". Signed 12 Sept 1837. J. F. MIEVILLE (?), > Minister. Charles NOBLIETTE(?), Elder. (Note that both signatures above are > unclear because of the handwriting.) > > > The next page which follows the form above is entirely handwritten. Some > of it is unreadable because words are obscured around the dark edges (as > I've indicated below). It seems to indicate that Jean CHERPENTIER is > petitioning the Archbishop of Canterbury to become Minister of the > Malt-house Chapel, although the Chapel is not mentioned specifically. Does > anyone else have another interpretation? > > > "Canterbury, ye 4th A......(dark edge) > A true Copy of the petition of Mr. Jo.....(dark edge) Presented to his > Grace ye Most Reverend ?Fau?.......(dark edge) God Lord Archbishop of > Canterbury. May it Please Your Grace. > Your petitioner, John CHERPENTIER, humbly Sheweth: > First, that he is Naturalized. > 2dly, That he hath good Certificats of ye Integrity of his Doctrine, and > of his honest behaviour. > 3dly, That he hath a good Title. > 4dly, That he hath been a Minister of ye Gospel and exercised his > Ministery With Edification and approbation for five and ..... (dark edge) > years together; that his family hath suffered very much....... (dark edge) > Protestant Religion, especially his father who was put to Death by ye > Dragoons and dyed a Martyr in ye year 16..... (dark edge). > Lastly, that he hath waited upon your Grace three times from Canterbury > hither, with great trouble, and great Charges, being but an Infirme body; > all which maketh your petitioner hope ?that? (dark edge) your Grace will be > pleased to Cause him to be admitted ?to the? (dark edge) order of > Priesthood; that he might by these means of providence maintain his family; > and your Petitioner......(dark edge) Pray for your Grace, etc." > Comment: down at bottom left of this statement is written: "J.C. in > London". (Which presumably means that Jean CHERPENTIER in London had a > copy?) > > Also included on this page is the following additional statement: > > "The following Certificat was sent ye 13th August to John CHERPENTIER at > London who by a letter of ye 18th ......... (dark edge) wrott to P. L., > delivered it to Mr. DE GATINE, and gave copies to severall amongst ym., one > to Mr. FRUSCHARD, at ye Bottom of ye sd. CHERPENTIER wrott to have delivered > ye original into ye hands of ye sd. M. DE GATINE ye 14th Inst. A true Copy. > August ye 12th 1710: these are to Certify that a great Number of french > Refugees have made several repeated Complaints before me in open court; that > ye Elders and Deacons of ye Walloon Congregation Would not relieve ym. as > they asked to do; since they have frequented ye New french Church Lately > sett up here. (Signed) Edw. FENDALL, mayor of Canterbury." > (At the bottom corner, it says: "J.C. at London".) > > That's all on the Malt-house Chapel for now. More in future posts. I > hope some of you have found this interesting. Andrea > > ______________________________

Andrea and fellow listers, I can't help out with the origins of the name of the Malt-house Chapel but, I did come across 2 items that seem as though they might possibly tie in with it. The following is a direct quote from something I picked up in Canterbury. It is produced on the letterhead of Elise Protestante Francaise de Cantorbery and was written by Michael H. Peters in July, 1995. 'In the early eighteenth century one of our schismatic groups known as the French Uniform Church or French Conformist Church had translated and swallowed whole the Book of Common Prayer. After a disreputable start centring around a tussle in - yes in - the crypt pulpit one Sunday, this sect became more respectable and it lasted from 1709 until 1746 when its last pasteur PIERRE LE SUEUR died. He was buried at St. Alphage (now called the Canterbury Urban Studies Centre) where he was also an Anglican Curate. His stone describes him as "Minister to a French Episcopal Chapel in this city"/ Despite its comparatively long life, the historians seem unable to agree about where this sect met. Some say it was in the Forrens chapel. Others that it was in part of the palace." I don't know if this could possibly be the Malt-house connection but I thought it might be worthwhile mentioning because of the 1709 date. The other thing that I noticed was that JEAN CHERPENTIER is listed as being "Pasteur en residence a Cantorbery" (sorry I'm missing accents) between 1700-1709. Possibly he and the Jean Cherpentier who petitioned the Archbishop are one in the same. Perhaps he was the pasteur who led the flock who "swallowed whole the Book of Common Prayer". Just a couple of thoughts... Sorry I couldn't help out with origins of Malt-house though. Perhaps it was a nickname and that's why no one seems certain where the above-noted sect worshipped. Regards, Jan Zwarick. P.S. Thank you for responding to my GRD look-up request Andrea. I shall be tracking down the snail-mailer who is researching LEPINE's in East London.

Listers -- for those researching in Canterbury, Kent, ENG, here is some info which may be new to you. In c1709-10, some of the members of the Canterbury Walloon Church broke away from that congregation to form their own church which was called "the Malt-house" Chapel. I have no idea why it was called "the Malt-house" because it was located within the precincts of the Cathedral (as was the main Walloon Church). Can any other listers help out with further info about the origins of this name? There may have been theological reasons for this break but one point of disagreement seems to have been that the Walloon Church did not provide financial support/relief to some church members, as they had apparently done before. The records of the Malt-house are on LDS film # 1482451. This is a filmed copy of the original contemporary records which are held at the PRO (Public Record Office) in London. They date from 1710 to 1745 but contain mostly baptisms. There are only one or two marriage records and no burials/deaths at all. After being spoiled by the indexed records published by the Hug. Soc. of London (ie. the Quarto series), I confess that I found it a bit of a different challenge to go through these records! I'll be posting various bits of info from these records over the next while, because I think they may be of interest and help to other listers. On the first page of the records is the following form (which is printed, but with blanks filled by handwritten info). It was probably required to be completed by all such non-parochial churches (ie. those not of the established Church of England). I have indicated by quotation marks which parts were filled in by hand. Certificate or Statement to accompany Register Books as recommended in the Circular. To the Commissioners for inquiring into the State, Custody and Authenticity of Non-parochial Registers. The annexed or accompanying Book is the original Register Book of "Marriages and Baptisms of the conformist French Chapel commonly called the 'Malt-house'" which has been kept for the Chapel or Meeting house, called "The Malt-house", being of the "Episcopal Church" denomination, situate in "the precincts of Canterbury Cathedral" in the county of "Kent", founded about the year "unknown, now dissolved, when unknown" (the word "when" is underlined here). The Book sent has been from time to time in the custody of the "scribe" for the time being of the Congregation; and is sent to the Commissioners from the immediate custody of "the same persons who held the register of the Walloon congregation" of "the Cathedral Undercroft" in the "City of Canterbury" who have kept it since "1817" as "Minister of the Walloon congregation and depository". Signed 12 Sept 1837. J. F. MIEVILLE (?), Minister. Charles NOBLIETTE(?), Elder. (Note that both signatures above are unclear because of the handwriting.) The next page which follows the form above is entirely handwritten. Some of it is unreadable because words are obscured around the dark edges (as I've indicated below). It seems to indicate that Jean CHERPENTIER is petitioning the Archbishop of Canterbury to become Minister of the Malt-house Chapel, although the Chapel is not mentioned specifically. Does anyone else have another interpretation? "Canterbury, ye 4th A......(dark edge) A true Copy of the petition of Mr. Jo.....(dark edge) Presented to his Grace ye Most Reverend ?Fau?.......(dark edge) God Lord Archbishop of Canterbury. May it Please Your Grace. Your petitioner, John CHERPENTIER, humbly Sheweth: First, that he is Naturalized. 2dly, That he hath good Certificats of ye Integrity of his Doctrine, and of his honest behaviour. 3dly, That he hath a good Title. 4dly, That he hath been a Minister of ye Gospel and exercised his Ministery With Edification and approbation for five and ..... (dark edge) years together; that his family hath suffered very much....... (dark edge) Protestant Religion, especially his father who was put to Death by ye Dragoons and dyed a Martyr in ye year 16..... (dark edge). Lastly, that he hath waited upon your Grace three times from Canterbury hither, with great trouble, and great Charges, being but an Infirme body; all which maketh your petitioner hope ?that? (dark edge) your Grace will be pleased to Cause him to be admitted ?to the? (dark edge) order of Priesthood; that he might by these means of providence maintain his family; and your Petitioner......(dark edge) Pray for your Grace, etc." Comment: down at bottom left of this statement is written: "J.C. in London". (Which presumably means that Jean CHERPENTIER in London had a copy?) Also included on this page is the following additional statement: "The following Certificat was sent ye 13th August to John CHERPENTIER at London who by a letter of ye 18th ......... (dark edge) wrott to P. L., delivered it to Mr. DE GATINE, and gave copies to severall amongst ym., one to Mr. FRUSCHARD, at ye Bottom of ye sd. CHERPENTIER wrott to have delivered ye original into ye hands of ye sd. M. DE GATINE ye 14th Inst. A true Copy. August ye 12th 1710: these are to Certify that a great Number of french Refugees have made several repeated Complaints before me in open court; that ye Elders and Deacons of ye Walloon Congregation Would not relieve ym. as they asked to do; since they have frequented ye New french Church Lately sett up here. (Signed) Edw. FENDALL, mayor of Canterbury." (At the bottom corner, it says: "J.C. at London".) That's all on the Malt-house Chapel for now. More in future posts. I hope some of you have found this interesting. Andrea

I have only recently joined this list but I am sure I will find it interesting. Normally I linger on a list before replying but as I am about to go away for three weeks thought I would add something to the above thread. There also exists a comprehensive list of Swiss surnames " Les Noms de famille suisse" this also has been filmed by the LDS and the number is 0441670. The lists includes all names, not just Huguenots. I will put details of my interests on the list on my return from holiday. Roy Day, Researching Lerpiniere world-wide.

Hi, fellow listers -- Those of you who are researching in Switzerland may find the following website helpful. It's the World GenWeb Switzerland Site and it's at http://www.rootsweb.com/~chevaud. It's specifically for Canton Vaud (sub-headed Sources and Methods for Genealogical Research) but also includes a lot of useful general information about Switzerland, eg. history, maps, etc. There is specific mention of Huguenot refugees who fled to Vaud after the Edict of Nantes. Apparently, each area was asked to carry out a census of the refugees (because of concerns about numbers of refugees, how to care for them, etc). Some of these records have survived and were published in two volumes in the Bullétin de la Société de l'Histoire du Protestantisme Français (1935). Most of these published records are also available on LDS film #0840625, ie. Les dénombrements généraux de réfugiés Huguenots au pays de Vaud et à Berne à la fin du XVIIe siècle (Enumeration of Huguenot refugees in the Swiss cantons of Vaud and Bern at the end of the 17th century). Note, however, that this census would have included only the latest arrivals but French Protestant refugees first began arriving in Vaud as early as the 1530's. In a later time period (c1800), the records in the "Livre d'Or des Familles Vaudoises" ("Golden Book of the Families of Vaud") may provide further research information. If your ancestors stayed in Switzerland, had citizenship and/or played a prominent role in the history of the Vaud canton, they may be listed there. This book contains info, among other things, about where particular families came from and when. The original of these records is in Lausanne but LDS has filmed it and it's on film # 0491155. Other related topics may be found on the LDS site (www.familysearch.org) under a Place Search for Vaud, Switzerland, and sub-headings such as Naturalization and citizenship or Biography or Minorities or Emigration and immigration. Is anyone out there researching in Switzerland? If so, I hope you will post info to the list. In fact, I'd like to see more info on the list for all European locations -- we've swung again lately to UK locations with little mention of other areas. Let's hear from you! Those Olympics can't be *that* riveting! This list will be here (hopefully!) long after they're gone and forgotten. (And, by saying this, I don't mean any disrespect to our Aussie friends who've put on a "really good shew", as Ed Sullivan used to say on his US television program back in the 1950's.) Andrea Subjects: Switzerland, Vaud - Naturalization and citizenship Switzerland, Vaud - Biography

Here's another GRD look-up, everyone -- On 21 Sept, Philip <pjkimo@indo.net.id> made his request for surnames TOURNEUR and TOURNEAURE (locations: France, Netherlands and US). Unfortunately, no listings found for the above spellings or anything like them (in either the 1999 or the 2000 editions of GRD). Wish this could have been of more help. Don't give up! Andrea

Hello -- On 19 Sept, Nona <nona@ferdon.fsnet.co.uk> requested a look-up in the 2000 edition of the GRD for surname FERDON (Jean/John/James FERDON christened in London, 1686). Sorry, I found no FERDON listed but there is someone researching FERDAM, 1845 Essex, ENG. This listing was also in the 1999 edition. Let me know if you think this would be any use to you. I also checked FURDON, just in case, but there was no listing in either 1999 or 2000. So sorry this turned up no results. I presume you've tried the IGI, as well as Ancestral File? Keep trying, Nona! Good luck, Andrea