Hi I am new to the list and wish to post my interests. I have a family of Hervé's living in Westminster, father James Hervé Pianoforte Maker. Their surname is pronounced 'airvay'. If anyone is researching the name Hervé I would be interested to hear from them. Kind regards Jacqui ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Holt" <BHHolt@xtra.co.nz> To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:32 PM Subject: [HWE] CLEMENT, COTTIN, DELAHAY in IRELAND > I am new to this list. Have looked at past messages and found no-one > researching these names yet, although they are mentioned in various pieces > of information given on the site. > > I am particularly interested in possibility of Spanish /Jewish ancestry in > person of the name CLEMENT, whom I have found as Minister in Church of > Ireland in Tipperary, 1621, possibly refugee from Spanish-occupied Belgium, > from whom I am probably descended. (I am basing country of origin only on > time and appearance of descendants, at present.) Would like to hear from > anyone else studying Huguenot-Jewish intermarriage in Ireland or elsewhere. > > COTTIN family were in Armagh and DELAHAYS in Limerick in 18th and 19th > centuries. > > Barbara Holt in NZ > > > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > Under construction: web page for Huguenots-Walloons-Europe list! > Information, links, surnames! Got ideas and contributions? > Please post to the list or to list admin, Andrea (andreav@island.net) > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ >

Hello, everyone -- While I was away for a few days, it's nice to see that we've gained about ten new subscribers (once again, welcome!) and that there have been some posts to the list. What more can a list concierge wish for? <g> Here follow more documents from the records of the Malt-house Chapel in Canterbury. As mentioned in previous posts, this congregation broke away from the main Walloon Church c1709. See previous posts in the list archives on this subject. As before, all spelling and punctuation has been left "as is". The first document below mentions dates Nov 1709 and June 1710, and shows how the elders (anciens) of the congregation were selected. It does not appear to have been done by secret ballot but perhaps by a show of hands with some kind of verbal sign (voix=voice). Au Nom De Dieu Qui a fait le Ciel & La terre, tinsi soit il. Tous les chefs de famille qui ont establie une Eglise Conformiste estant tous assemblés dans la cette Eglise le 6e de Novemb. 1709/10 choisirent Des Anciens dans la maniere suivante on en nomma dix & puis on receuillit des Vois afin quon scoust les cinq qui devorent estre esleus et choisis des dix Nommes. Suit. Monsr. Jean DE CLEVE ||||||||||||||||||||| 21 voix Mr. Abraham DE LA NEUVEMAISON ||||||||||||||||||||||||| 25 voix Mr. Jean LOTT ||||| 5 voix Paschal LARDEAU ||||||||||||||||||| 19 voix Gabriel PAIN ||||||||||||||||||||||||| 25 voix André GENTIL ||||||||||||| 13 voix Jean DE LON ||||||||||||||||||||||||| 25 voix Jean DE L'EPLUQUE |||||| 6 voix Francois LA CROY | 1 voix Jacob LOSSY | 1 voix Les Noms deceux qui furent choisis Anciens d'un Commun. Messieurs Jean DE CLEVE, Abraham DE LA NEUVEMAISON, Jean DE LON, Gabriel PAIN, Paschal LARDEAU. En Consistoire le 18 Juin 1710 Arresté quon adjousteroit deux Anciens aux cinq cy dessus a fin de leur aider dans cette charge et furent mis en nomination. Messrs. Jean DE MARLIERE |||||||||||||||||||| 20 voix André GENTIL |||||||||||||||| 16 voix Jean DE L'EPLUQUE ||||||||||||||| 15 voix Louis DE VEISINE (or DE VEISME?) ||| 3 voix Messieurs Jean DE MARLIERE & André GENTIL furent esleus eradjoustes d'un Commun Consentement des les chefs de familles present le 25 de Juin 1710. This next page, sent to Jean CHERPENTIER in London by the Elders in August 1710, includes a list of those members of the congregation identified as "pauvres" and in need ("actuellement besoin"). Veritable Copie de L'original envoyé le 20e D'Aoust 1710 A Monsr. Jean CHERPENTIER qui estoit en ce temps a Londres. Liste Des Pauvres francois Refugiées, qui desirent d'estre assistes & qui ont actuallement besoin, et Lequel d'entreux se sont presentés a la Maison De Ville, et nous on a nous soussigner prier de donner leurs Noms et de les Envoyer au Messieurs du Comité a Londres. Nicholas LEVESQUE, agé de 75 Ans & Susanne de 72 Ans Francois ROCKETT, agé 69 & Susanne agée 63 Anne, Veuve de Pierre LUCAS, 62 Ans Francoise, veuve de Jean CHARROSSIN, 61 Ans Marie THEBEAU, fille, 62 Ans La femme a Isaac AUBRY & 5 Enfans, et ?estanspreste daecoucher? luy restans pas icy Pierre DESRÉ, sa femme & trois Enfans Jean DU FOUR, sa femme & 4 Enfans Louis GROSLEAU, agé de 60 Ans Jacques MARQUILLET, sa femme & trois enfans Madeleine LUCAS, agée de 66 Ans Messieurs, Voicy ceux qui se sont presenté a nous, et qui actuellement Besoin, ainsy nous Vous prious Messieurs de Considerer la necessité Des susdits pauvres, estant avec un profond Respect, Vostres humbles & tres obeissants serviteurs. Messieurs: Jean DE CLEVE, Ancien. Abraham LA NEUVEMAISON, Ancien. Jean DE LON, Ancien. Gabriel PAIN, Ancien. André GENTIL, Ancien. Jean DE MARLIERE, Ancien. Paschal LARDEAU, Ancien. A Canterbury ce 20 Aoust 1710. That's all for now from this source. My best to all. Andrea

Hello Listers, I have a question to pose, that maybe someone might know the answer to. I found Johan Fredrik Jenter as a witness to a baptism at the Reformed Dutch Church of New Amsterdam, on Dec 15, 1728. I have not found his name among the list of members of the church. My question is, would Johan have had to have been a member of the church, or the Reformed Dutch Church in general to witness this baptism. I my own church the United Church of Christ, formerely the Evangelical and Reformed, formerly the Evangelisch Church, (German background) you do not have to be a member of our church or our denomination to witness a baptism. I am hoping someone might know the answer to this question. Thanks in advance. Karen JENTER Michigan USA

Researching Briard, LeBoutillier from Jersey. If anyone has any informaiton I would like to hear from you. Thanks, Lynn dlwaara@mediaone.net

For some reason I did not receive the full message - hoping it will be re-posted. I just noticed our family file has a line of Seay's back to 1655 and England or France. Judy

Fellow Listers: This message from Joanne Deane Sieger on yesterday's List is a real break-through for those of us who have been looking for a SEAY/SAYE connection in Flanders. Further communication with her is eagerly anticipated. Hugh Seay HDELMAR@aol.com <<Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 11:24:17 -0500 From: The Siegers <cottnile@xtn.net> To: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3A043831.19D0C2F8@xtn.net> Subject: [HWE]SEAY,SAIS & variants, FLANDERS,ENGLAND, 16th & 17th CENTURIES>>

Hi First posting to this list. I was told that there were Huguenot connections on my mother's side of the family through an Elizabeth Jeffryes, Born August 1836 to William Johnson Born July 1838. They married in May 1863 at Bishopsgate (or Spitalfields) Chapel in London, UK.They lived at Great Garden Street, Whitechapel, London. Has anyone come across Jeffryes in their searching, and are you aware of the Johnson name being associated with the Huguenots? Many thanks Derek Cull Cambridge, UK

BACON, Caen, Normandy, FRA 1600-1700s odramm@bigpond.com LE FANU, LEFANU. 1500-1700s, Caen, Normandy, FRA > IRE c1730 odramm@bigpond.com LE SUEUR, FRA 1500-1700s odramm@bigpond.com MESCHINET 1600s, Saintes & La Rochelle, FRA odramm@bigpond.com RABOTEAU Pre 1800, Saintes & La Rochelle, FRA > IRE c1700 odramm@bigpond.com With many thanks to Andrea. Allan Murphy Sydney, Australia

Is this the way to post a message??? Although I have been following this site for several months, this is my first posting - didn't think I had anything of relevance. I have found the Huguenot/Walloon exchanges quite interesting as well as informative, and am greatly impressed with Andrea Vogel's work. I am particularly interested in those concerning the name SEAY and its variants, because SEAY is the surname of my grandmother's family. They considered themselves to be descended from French-speaking Calvinists from England and France, whose name had been pronounced to rhyme with "say" (which seems to have been the usual pronunciation in England during the 16th through part of the 18th century of words like "sea", "tea", etc.) Anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but that was my starting point for research on the SEAYS a number of years ago. I found little information of help in France, but did learn that SAIS/SAYE was the name of a family from Flanders. In information found in publications of the Huguenot Society of London, as well as in a number of Belgian sources dealing with the Calvinist uprisings in 16th - 17th century Flanders I found quite a bit of information about this family as well as families with whom they were associated, both in France and in England. The SAIS family (also spelled SAYE, SAY, SAIE, SEY, SEYE, SEE, SEES, SAYES, SAYZE, DE SAIDES) were from Tournais and the surrounding area of the Tournaisis, and were merchants, artisans, etc., in the wool trade. (It is intriguing to me that WICRES, mentioned as a possible site for the SEAYS in the 17th century was in the same general area.) Many of the SAIS family were active in Calvinism; some were on the list of the condemned in FLANDERS, were either executed or exiled, usually fleeing to England. By early 1568 some appear on the various tax and census returns of the Tudor and early Jacobean reigns collected by Irene Scoloudi. I found their names also in records of foreign churches in London, Canterbury, Norwich, Thorney-le-Sokem Colchester (SEIJS, SEY, SIJS, etc) and in the latter 17th century in Guisnes. English parish records were not available to me, nor did I find traces of SEAY/SAYE, etc. after ca. 1660, so I reached a dead end - did they immigrate to the British colonies, or are they even relevant? Wordy though this is, it is a condensation of the many notes I have, but I have finally come to my point. Has anyone on the list done research on this Walloon line as a possible source for the SEAY name? I would be glad to hear what people think of this, and of course, share any information I have that might be helpful. Joanne Deane Sieger

Jean OLIGNY, 1723 Tulle France>Canada>WI>MD>NM Hello, I am new to the list. I have several French Ancestors (OLIGNY, BALLE, LAFONDERIE, DAUMENY, GABOURIAU, DAVIGNON, RIEL and CAILLE). Other names are (SHEETS, MCKENZIE, BRANTLEY, FUKA, and KALAL...). I am particularly interested to find out if OLIGNY is related to the French Huguenot leader COLINGY. I would like to know your views on that possibility. (My maiden name is spelled with an "E", OLIGNEY. When my great great grandfather immigrated to WI, US officials put in the "E" on some of his children's birth records). Shirley OLIGNEY BAKER Waco, TX

FORRESTER/FORRESTIER, before 1769, Ireland, to Charleston, S.C. Marie Brunson Jefferson mjeffers@surfsouth.com

Andrea, Please add the following Tevelein, Tevelin, Tarbin Tevelain, Tevelin 1800-1900+ AUS Same above 1600-1800+ FRA Thanks, Debbie Wilson debw@tpgi.com.au Other TEV Connections may want to add other periods they are investigating >==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== >Have you submitted your surnames for our (future) list web page? >To do so will make your names accessible to others on the Web. >For more info, contact Andrea, list admin, at andreav@island.net. > >============================== >Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! >http://searches.rootsweb.com/ >

Listers -- Here are two more petitions from the records of the Malthouse Chapel in Canterbury. This Chapel has been discussed before during October and at the end of September. Anyone interested can find them in the list archives. These two pages were apparently meant to be attached and sent together. On the second page is a list of names of those persons signing the petition. It was surprising to me that about a dozen women are also included in this list. Usually, females are only mentioned when they were born, married, had children baptised, were witnesses (témoin) or godmothers (marraine), or died. This petition does indicate that the Malt-house group "swallowed whole the Book of Common Prayer" (as Jan said in her post of 29 Sept) -- ie. they accepted completely the liturgy of the Church of England. This topic was also mentioned in the Rutherfurd book in my previous post. Here is the first page, dated October 1709. A true Copy of ye Original To the most Reverend Father in God, Thomas, by Divine providence, Lord Archbishop of Canterbury, Primate of all England and Metropolitan. The Humble Petition of ye French Protestants in ye City of Canterbury, whose Names are subscribed in ye Declaration here unto annexed. Sheweth: That your Petitioners are in all Things Conformable To ye Church of England, as by Law established and are Very Willing and desirous to be accounted and Received as Members of ye same. But that Many of your Petitioners do not understand The English Tongue. Your Petitioners therefore most humbly Desire that they may hold a Congregation in or near ye said City for Divine Worship wherein They may use ye french Translation of ye Liturgy of the Church of England and have the Sacrament administred to them in ye French Tongue but according to ye Rites and Ceremonies of ye Church of England and that Some Convenient Place may be assigned to Them for that Purpose. And your Petitioners Shall pray, etc. etc. Here's the second one. The page referred to as "on ye Left Side" is the one I quoted above. Canterbury the 12th Octobre 1709 A true Copy of ye Declaration of ye above Date, annexed to ye Request Copyed on ye Left Side. Wee whose names are subscribed do hereby Declare our unfeigned Assent and Consent to all and every thing contained and proscribed in and by the Book entitled ye Book of Common Prayer and Administration of ye Sacraments, and other Rites and Ceremonies of The Church, according to ye use of ye Church of England. And More particularly Wee profess and Declare that We do believe in God the Father and in Jesus Christ his Eternal Son ye true God And in ye Holy Spirit one God blessed for evermore, and do Acknowledge the Holy Scripture of ye old and New Testament to be given by Divine Inspiration. Abraham DE LA NEUVEMAISON Abraham DIDIER John CHERPENTIER Abraham MACCARÉ John DE CLEVE Piere CAILLE Daniel BORÉ Jacques MARQUILLETT Isaac FROUMY Jean GODIERE Pierre DUCAINE Francois DE LA CROY Jean BLANCHAR Samuell MALIVOIRE Francois POITEVYN Jacob DESRÉ Gabriel PAIN Samuel HERONDAR Louis DE VEISINE Abraham LEVESQUE Pierre TOURTEAU Adam LE SADE Jean DE LON David CHARROSSIN Jean L'EPLUQUE Paschal LARDEAU Pierre BARRAIN James DU HAMEL Jean SEGUIN Jean DE MARLIER Guillaume LA TOURTE Abraham DESOMBRES André GENTIL Israel LOFFROY Jacob LOSSY Jacque VERINNE Zacharie HELLEBRET Marie COLLETT Isaac DESOMBRES Jane ARNEAUD Isaac TEVELIN Susanne DE MACON-MONVAL Francois BERLOUIN Anne DE MACON DU BOISSE André THEBEAU Anne HERAULT Pierre DESRÉ Anne DE BOULEDE Nicholas HEDOUË La veuve LE LEU Louis GROSLEAU Jeane TOURTEAU Isaac AUBRY Susanne LE LEU Jean LOSTE Marie LE CLERCK Gaspar LAURON Susanne BUQUETT Pierre MARTIN Louise BERLOUIN That's all for the next couple of days, folks, because I'll be away for the weekend. So you're on your own. When the cat's away..........<g>. Andrea END

Listers -- Here are a couple of passages on Huguenots in London. They are from the novel by Edward Rutherfurd, titled "London", published in 1997 by Ballantine, which is a division of Random House. The ISBN is 0-449-00263-2. I have obtained written permission to quote these passages from the Copyright and Permissions Dept., Random House, Inc. 299 Park Ave., New York, NY 10171. For anyone who likes long novels in a historical context with some genealogy thrown in, this book is a "really good read". As the title implies, it's a history of London, over 1100 pages long. It begins in 54 BC with a chapter called "The River", on the Thames where London does not yet exist. Each succeeding chapter is set in a different historical period, ending with the last one, also called "The River", dated 1997. In the chapter "London's Fire" (set in 1666 when a huge fire engulfed much of London), we are first introduced to a newly arrived young French refugee named Eugene DE LA PENISSIÈRE. He is a watchmaker who is living with his uncle "down by the Savoy" where "a little French Protestant community and church" had sprung up. His name is quickly anglicized to PENNY when someone asks his name and, when told, says: "De la what?...I'll never remember that.....I think.....you'd do better with PENNY." Here's the first passage, from pg. 790, in the chapter "London's Fire" (1666). " Despite Englishmen's fear of the popish leanings of the Stuarts, to any Protestant living in Catholic France the kingdom of England had seemed a safe haven indeed. Massacred by the thousand by a pious French king in 1572, they had been protected from actual violence for a generation by the Edict of Nantes. But these devout French Calvinists were still subject to constant restrictions, and a modest but steady stream of them had come to England, where they had been allowed to worship discreetly. Huguenots, they had come to be called." The second passage is on pg. 797 in the chapter titled "Saint Paul's" and dated ten years later in 1675. "The Huguenots of London formed a thriving community; the pastor of the French congregation was as busy as he could wish. They had also fitted in well. Some like the rich DES BOUVERIES family, has already risen to social prominence. Their French names -- OLIVIER, LEFANU, MARTINEAU, BOSANQUET -- had either acquired an English sound or they had been converted, as PENNY had, to an English equivalent: THIERRY into TERRY, MAHIEU into MAYHEW, CRESPIN into CRIPPEN, DESCAMPS into SCAMP. Their liking for such culinary delicacies as snails might seem strange, but other dishes they brought with them, such as oxtail soup, were soon popular with the English. Their skills in making furniture, perfumes, fans, and the newly fashionable wigs were welcome; and though, like all newcomers, they were regarded with some suspicion, English Puritans respected their Calvinist religion. As for the king, he had reached a reasonable compromise. The first French churches -- at the Savoy and at Threadneedle Street -- might use a Calvinist form of service as long as they remained loyal and discreet. Any new churches must use a form of the Anglican service, in the French language; though if a few differences crept in to salve their Puritan consciences, they were unlikely to be troubled. Strangely enough, because they were devout and, unlike so many English Puritans, anxious not to offend, the Anglican bishops of London were usually rather protective towards them." There are other passages in the novel on this topic. If I can get further permission to do so, I will post them. By the way, Rutherfurd has also written another historical novel of this same type, titled "Sarum". It's about the Stonehenge area. No Huguenots in that one, though, as far as I know. Andrea

Perdriau Perdreau Perdriaux Perdrian 1600-1800, FRA>ENG>USA> ST.KITTS Marian Michael mmichael@fan.net.au

TAIT/TATE Northern Ireland and Scotland before 1700 Bonnie Bowman Henson

deHANTONA/HAMPTON Northern Ireland and Scotland before 1680>NJ>PA>VA>NC Bonnie Bowman Henson

OLIPHANT Northern Ireland before 1700>PA>VA>NC Bonnie Bowman Henson

Hi, everyone -- First, I want to thank everyone who has sent their comments about the website, either to the list or to me privately. I intend to respond to them all but please be patient and give me a little time. Apologies for length of this post but it is, as I said in my subject line, a "discussion". This is in answer to Roy <royday@dial.pipex.com> and Bonnie <bonnielady@mindspring.com> who have contributed comments on the website format (see their posts on 30 & 31 Oct.) Bonnie, thanks for your words of support. I hope you'll soon be able to contribute to the list too! Would your surnames fit in the US/CAN surnames section I mentioned a couple of days ago? And I can assure you that the website will be "plain vanilla", in your words. In fact, the points you mentioned are all ones I've chosen for the website (entirely accidental!) so it's nice to know from a "former newspaper and magazine designer/writer/editor" that I've chosen the right track. That is, the background will be white, the text is black (a smattering of bold type for emphasis in places). The links are, of course, as always in blue, underlined. The only other "fancy" is that I've picked red for main headings simply because I tried all the other colours and that's the one that jumped out at me the most. The colour combo of white/black/blue/red looks quite OK, in my opinion. Thanks again, Bonnie. Roy, thanks to you too for your comments. As you pointed out, it's important to have a clear idea of what the website is hoping to achieve. As I mentioned in my post on 30 Oct (subject line: List Website: update), the purpose of the site is two fold. One -- so others can find us through a web search, learn about the list, and hopefully join. Two -- it's to provide a place where subscribers (and non-subscribrs) can obtain easy access to useful information which is already out there but scattered around in various places, including the archives. I don't think the website will make the list redundant -- as I said, the website will provide access to info which is already out there anyway. I am not providing new info, for the most part but merely providing links to existing info. This will not be a substitute for sharing on the list. And it will certainly not provide "all the information", making joining the list unnecessary. Plus it will, hopefully, answer some basic questions which come up again and again on the list. I hope, as Roy said, that the website will give enough info to make people want to join the list. Once they are on the list, Roy, can you suggest ways that, as you said, "further information/help" is provided via the list "that ensures they remain". I'm not sure what information you have in mind here and would appreciate a clarification. Is it something like a FAQs list? Also, the members-only section of the GOONS site was mentioned by Roy. As I'm not a member of GOONS, I can't access it to see how it works. Can you explain it to me so I have some idea what it involves (send this to me off-list, if you prefer). It might be beyond my capabilities to provide on our website, being a complete novice/ignoramus, as I mentioned. Roy, thanks for your suggestion about including a section on obtaining European certificates. That's one I overlooked and I've added it. About draft letters, another point mentioned. I think this is covered somewhat in the LDS Research Guides and Helps section on their site. A link could be provided to that source. I'd like more info on the Anglo-French FHS, though. Roy, could you provide more info, on the list, about the Anglo-French FHS? I'm sure others would be interested to hear about it from one of their members. We have posted their address in the past but that's all. I think I've covered all points. If anyone else want to join in to this discussion, please do so. Bye for now. Andrea

I agree with Chris. Andrea is doing a terrific job. The only reason I don't submit anything is that I have nothing to submit - YET. I'm just learning about the Huguuenot connection tho' I had anecdotal evidence of it earlier. I want to learn more but it has to come from someone else as of now. George Chris Leonard wrote: > > i'm afraid i have to say something about the way the list has been going the > last few weeks.