Looking at your message you only recieved the first half of mine! I did put the date and time which was 2nd Dec 7.40 p.m. on BBC2. I posted the message as soon as I saw the programme listing. Its available on BBC Knowledge which seems to be a digital service which I don't use. I did record it so I could forward it to anyone who would be keen for a copy. I hope its not going to be an inundation! The house shown was in Princelet Street and the Huguenot Weavers were the BOUDIN and PULIN families. ( not our BARBETS and BEUZEVILLES unfortunately) Its only a half hour programme but I though it was useful for giving a picture of Spitalfields to embroider the written records. I found it interesting but there would be lots of things you would want to follow up. Maybe the BBC Web Site will yield more info and if enough people hit the site with questions we will encourage more Huguenot programmes! www.bbc.co.uk/history. If you go to that site you can follow the menus and seraches and get to House Detectives etc. "Whats On" in the site gives the "BBC Knowledge" times for the programme going out again. - they are all fairly soon. ( I keep hoping "Meet the Ancestors" do a programme on the Beuzeville vaults at Henley.) Sylvia M. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrea Vogel <andreav@island.net> To: Sylvia Maisey <sfmaisey@nascr.net> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [HWE] Re: SILK WEAVERS IN SPITALFIEDS LONDON. > Thanks Syvlia -- what is the date and time of the program, for benefit > of UK subscribers? Perhaps you could post this info to the list if it's not > too late. (I'll have to miss it, being in Canada <g>). Regards, Andrea > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sylvia Maisey <sfmaisey@nascr.net> > To: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com > <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: December 2, 2000 2:26 AM > Subject: [HWE] Re: SILK WEAVERS IN SPITALFIEDS LONDON. > > > >BBC2 are showing, in House Detectives a house in Spitalfields London that > > > >

Hi, listers -- This is in response to a post today (2 Dec) from Derek <derek@icetea.demon.co.uk> re: his JEFFRYES and possible Huguenot connections in Spitalfields. Derek, it's possible that JEFFRYES *may be* an anglicized version of something like JEOFRAY or JEOFROY. However, you need to trace back about 150 years to see if there is a Huguenot connection. It's true that silk weaving is associated with the Huguenots in Spitalfields. But there were probably weavers there who were not of Huguenot origin. If, as you say, your Elizabeth JEFFRYES was taught her weaving skills by her mother, might her mother have been the one who had Huguenot ancestors? In this case, the name would not have been JEFFRYES. Determining the names of Elizabeth's parents is the first step back into the past to solve this mystery. Her marriage certificate (1863) will provide her father's name, for example. If Elizabeth was born after 1837, her birth certificate will provide both parents' names, including her mother's maiden name. Derek, please refer to my post re: your surnames on 8 Nov (in list archives) which outlined further suggestions to you. In that post, I was responding to your query on 5 Nov about JEFFRYES & JOHNSON in mid-1800's London. Hope this helps. Andrea > > > > > > > >

Dear listers, I have a Boniface CLAISSE, who in 1771 married Marie LE BAILEY in French Huguenot Church in Spitalfiels. Boniface was an elder of the church. Anyone any information? Thanks Lorraine in sunny Queensland. CLAISSE, DESCARRIERE, LEBAILEY all in 1700's or later, or if possible even earlier!

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, "Richard Hartley" <Richard.M.Hartley@btinternet.com> wrote: > The Mellodew family had Mills in Moorside Oldham in the 1800's and we > have managed to trace back to John Mellodew (Meledue?) He was was > baptised in 1672 at Rochdale; his children were born at Middleton by > Oldham. > > The family has always stoutly maintained that the family were Huguenots > - where does one look? "Mellodew" is a form of the Northern English surname "Merridew", meaning "son of Meredith". It is not of Huguenot origin. Michael Palmer --- Michael Palmer Claremont, California mpalmer@panix.com

Any help would be welcome! The Mellodew family had Mills in Moorside Oldham in the 1800's and we have managed to trace back to John Mellodew (Meledue?) He was was baptised in 1672 at Rochdale; his children were born at Middleton by Oldham. The family has always stoutly maintained that the family were Huguenots - where does one look? Many thanks, Richard M Hartley

BBC2 are showing, in House Detectives a house in Spitalfields London that was owned by Huguenot refugees. I hope subscribers in UK who might be interested get this notice in time to watch if they are interested. My husbands Huguenot ancestors were silk weavers and lived at 24 Steward Street so we are looking forward to it. Don't suppose we will be licky enough for it to be the actual house BUT...................

hi Andrea & listers Having returned from holiday am catching up on emails. Your ref. to "Sarum" by E Rutherford. As you say no obvious Huguenots, but in one part of of the young men in the book joins the army and serves in India in the 39th Regiment.(Dorset Regiment). That regiment did serve in India and was commanded by General John ADLERCRON. The Adlercrons had changed their name from TRAPAUD and were Huguenots and married into the ARABIN family in Ireland. Shirley Arabin from Mount Maunganui "Don't know yo past, don't know yo future" (Bob Marley)

Hello, listers -- I hope you'll stick with me while I carry on with the batch numbers thread for just two more posts. The IGI is a valuable resource for us all, and the batch numbers help us access that info more fully, so I think it's worthwhile to post as much info about it as possible. I hoping that fellow listers feel the same. The New Zealand Society of Genealogists has an excellent web site, including three sections which list the batch numbers for all London churches (not just the French churches). It's a good idea to check the records of the (C of E) parish churches which were in the same areas as the French churches. Especially once assimilation began taking place, French Protestants often attended the nearby parish churches. The info is listed alphabetically by London areas, as follows: http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/nzsoghamilton/london1.htm -- London Churches: Battersea to Littleton. http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/nzsoghamilton/london2.htm -- London Churches: London city (includes 4 different batch numbers for Threadneedle Street) http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/nzsoghamilton/london3.htm -- London Churches: Mile End to Whetstone (includes French churches in Spitalfields and Westminster). The home page for the NZ SOG is at: http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/nzsoghamilton/index.htm. The site also includes useful info/links for UK research so I hope you'll have a look at it. For those researching in London, there is additional info such as: http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/nzsoghamilton/londonlink.htm which has London Internet sites & links There are also links to London and Middlesex Parishes and to East of London FHC where photos/descriptions of some of the churches can be obtained. Some of these links lead to surnames lists which you might want to check out, or even submit your own surnames if this is where you are researching. Have fun with this one. A great resource site! Andrea

I am on the trail of the DuBois that went to England. Changed their last name to WOOD, went to Ireland and then to the Pittsburg PA area. Accourding to a short family history done by Mrs.Lucille Kittle of Cairo, OH 45820. "We have two records of the French ancestors who were Huguenots driven from France by the Catholics during the Huguenot persecution. They came from Northern France and fled to England. The French name was Duboise but the name was changed to Wood in England, as the meaning of the name implies. The first of whom we have record was a man by the name of Richard Duboise Wood who probably lived around 1625 and served in the English army with distinction for 20 years. He took an active part in the siege of Barcelona, Spain, and was knighted. One record says that he married the widow of Captain Pennyfeather of the King’s Guards, an Irish lady who had been Maid of Honor to the Queen. One record says that his only known son was Thomas Duboise Wood, who married Mary Ann Cuttle, a Welsh lady. They moved to Slygo near Dublin, Ireland, and resided there for a few years. Their children Richard, William and Rachel were born there. In 1752 they landed at Philadelphia and settled at Hagerstown, Maryland. Thomas died about 1760 near York, Pa. His wife died in 1767." One of there sons William became a Baptist minister and co-founder of Washington KY. Who I am decended from. Is there anyone out there working on this line? I would love to know more about this side of the Wood pile:) Laurie Wood Brandt

Dear Andrea, Can you remember which Church Elizabeth DOSSELART attended at Canterbury? We are trying to find the birth/bapt date (and parents) of Ester TEVELEIN born about 1690 to 1705 (inferred from her marriage date) but I cannot find anything in your posted lists. It is possible she is a daughter of Elizabeth DOSSELART who came to Canterbury from Cadzand just before her son Jacob's birth in 1696 In your posting 6 Sept 2000 #236 of Walloon Church, Canterbury you said you had been unable to complete the listing of some TEVELEIN records but you reported the film numbers. > The following extracts are from the records of the Walloon Church at >Canterbury. These are in Volume 5 of the Quarto series (pub. Huguenot Soc. > of Ldn), and are also on LDS films & 0086956 & 0086957. I'll order these at LDS if you can confirm I will be looking in the right place. We already have for the marriage: Esther TEVELEIN, (de Cassau en Zelande, fille de Isaac Tevelin et d'Elizabeth Docheler) married Pierre DUBUC, (de Canterbury, fils de daniel DUBUC et de Marie Colle) at the L'Eglise de Londres, Threadneedle St, on 22 December 1722 (I am assuming this is referring to our Elizabeth DOSSELART) and Born to Pierre DUBOC and Ester/Esther TEVELIN/TEVELAIN/TEUELIN/TENESAIN all christened at Threadneedle Street French Huguenot, London Pierre (M) 20 Oct 1723 Esther TEVELIN Elizabeth (F) 7 Feb 1725 Esther TEUELIN Daniel (M) 1 Jan 1728 Esther TEVELAIN Elie (M) 8 May 1730 Ester Marie (F) 30 Jan 1735 Ester TENESAIN Source Film 6902811 IGI v4.01 Beginning to get worryingly like "TENNYSON" if you go in for soundex searches.! Regards, Clive ******************** My search list includes BRICE, BEUNE, BUNNE, BLANCHARD, DE BUIRE , DOSSELART, DU FOUR, ELVEN, FISHER, GIBBENS, GIBBONS, LE HOUCQ, LE DOUX MORILLIAN, PICARD, RAIRE, TEVELEIN, TEVOLAIN, TEULIN, TUELAIN, TIVELIEN, TIVELAINE, ********************

Fellow listers -- While we're in this thread re: batch numbers.......I've had a couple of inquiries off-list, asking where to enter the batch numbers in the IGI on the LDS site. The steps to follow may not be totally clear to everyone, especially since the whole LDS site was redesigned and reorganized a while ago (not necessarily for the better, in my opinion, but maybe it's just me <g>). Here are instructions, in case anyone else is wondering about this. Once on the LDS site (www.familysearch.org), click on Search for Ancestors. That will get you to another page which has a small list on the left hand side. The list is headed All Resources (which is the default), with International Genealogical Index being the third choice down. Clicking on it will get you to the IGI page where you enter data, such as surname, name of spouse, event (ie. baptism, marriage, etc), region (eg. British Isles, or continental Europe, etc.). Then the last space at the bottom is where you enter the batch number. Once you have entered all your data, click on Search. What you should get then is a list of names and events to choose from, taken from the records for that batch number. Clicking on any particular name will lead you to further information -- for example, if it's a baptism, there will be the names of the parents, the date of the event and the location. If you scroll down further, past these details, you will get to a section headed Source Information. There you will find the batch numbers listed together with the LDS film or fiche number of the source document. Clicking on the film/fiche number will give you details of the source document. The source of an entry can vary. For example, it could be: a) from an original parish record (which is the ideal, because it means the record in the IGI has only been transcribed once, ie. entered into the IGI from the original record). b) from a book (so the IGI entry is a copy of a copy in a book which probably came from yet another source). c) from a "computer printout" or "extracts" (again, the IGI entry will be a copy of a copy). d) from "patron submissions", meaning the information was submitted by an LDS church member, but the original source may not be mentioned. You can imagine the possibility of errors in these examples. That's why it's always wise to check IGI information against original documents. If you're wondering what happens if you choose the default setting --. ie. All Resources, instead of choosing just the IGI -- this means a search will be done for your surname in the IGI as well as in two other features. Those features are a) Ancestral File -- which contains pedigrees of families which have been submitted by LDS church members (not always complete and/or accurate in my experience) and b) Pedigree Resource File -- which is fairly new and which I'm not that familiar with but it seems to me to be fairly similar to Ancestral File (does anyone care to post, telling us the differences between Pedigree Resource and Ancestral File?) If you choose the All Resources option, you cannot enter any batch numbers. Hope my comments have been enlightening. My best to all, Andrea

Hi, everyone -- This is in response to the post on 28 Nov from Betty <betty_nelson@telus.net> re: IGI batch numbers for Huguenot churches in Ireland. Betty specifically mentioned Co. Fermanagh, Northern Ireland. I haven't been able to hunt down batch numbers which are specifically for French churches in Ireland -- although they may be out there on the Net somewhere! <g> -- but I did come across the following sites which may be helpful: 1) http://www.janhart.net/nirigi.htm -- Ireland Batch Numbers. For counties Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry and Tyrone. Has links to Scotland and England IGI info. 2) http://geocities.com/Heartland/Trail/8333/index6.html -- Ireland IGI Batch Numbers. Lists 17 Irish counties. Two other links on this site to Irish batch numbers didn't work when I tried them. There should also be batch numbers for the following French churches in Ireland, the records of which have all been published by the Huguenot Society of London (as volumes in the Quarto series). Therefore they should be on the IGI. These records have also been filmed by LDS but I don't have the film numbers handy at the moment. They may be in previous posts in the archives. Registers of French Conformed Churches of St. Patrick & St. Mary, Dublin (Vol. 7) Registers of French Nonconformist Churches, Dublin (Vol. 14) Register of the French Church at Portarlington (Vol. 19) What other French churches were there in Ireland? Also, has anyone out there found surnames from French Church records in Ireland on the IGI? Please post to the list if you have information. Via this route, we may be able to compile a list of some batch numbers ourselves. Andrea

My subject line reflects the various spellings of the Anglicized "FLOURNOY" that I've seen. I am a descendant of Laurent & Gabrielle Mellin FLOURNOIS, thru Mathews FLOURNOY. 1. LDS shows father of Laurent only as N. FLOURNOIS, b. FR, ca. 1540. Any further info or suggestions appreciated. A. N = Nicolais/Nicholas? B. Wife's name? C. Birth, death & burial info ? 2. LDS shows Laurent, b. FR; d. SUI A. Any other marriages known? B. Other descendants? 3. LDS also shows Gabrielle's father as Antoine MELLIN, d. 1552, St. Bartholomew's Massacre, = bur. FR 4. Sometime ago, on another line, someone mentioned there is still a small town in FR of Flournois. Does anyone have any info on this, or where I might look (mapsite) to find it? 5. I have recently become the FLOURNOY family genconnect bd. admin. I have received an extensive listing of my ancestors from another descendant who did not have my Mathews Flournoy line listed. We welcome all queries, info, suggestions, & links. I have referred others to the HWE list and will include this site, now, too, because there are some very knowledgable people here. And, they share wonderful historical data not found on some of the other sites. THANK YOU. Wonderful job, Andrea. Sincerely, djStevenson

When using batch numbers at the LDS site, you can enter just a region and the batch number to pull up ALL the records in that batch, regardless of surname. Also, if the last name is one that is often misspelled, you can search just by entering a given name as well. Carol Spread the wealth - post your extra info - it just might crumble someone's brickwall. Care2 make the world greener !

Thank you Andrea for posting my request for information about the Glasshouse Street and Leicester Fields French Huguenot Church and for your reply. I am gradually, with the help of the list, it's great source of information and generous members, progressing in my research of the Hobler, Claudon and Buvelot families, all connected by marriage. This is what I have to date and what I am currently working on adding to: I know that the families were definately Huguenot, fleeing France (probably from the Lyon area) across to the River Rhone and into Nyon (new Lyon?)and the new port of Morges on Lake Geneva in the french speaking Canton of Vaud in Switzerland. There they were among the first Swiss watch and clock makers. About 1700 when Genevan watches had become famous and there were lots of watchmakers in Geneva, many of them decided to leave for 'greener pastures'. Some went to the Jura Mountains, some to London. >From IGI records so far found, it appears the Hoblers, Claudons and Buvelot families arrived in London very early in the 1700's. They established a successful watch and clockmaking business in Soho and members of the list have provided records to support this. Peter Andrew Hobler and Jeannie Marie Buvelot had four children including Jean-Francois Hobler born 28.2.1727. He married Charlotte Elizabeth Claudon. I have found records for three of their children, two christened in the Glasshouse Street and Leicester Fields French Huguenot Church (one church apparently-long name). >From this period, fortunately, the family history is well known but I have not yet obtained all BMD records. My ggg grandfather, James Francis Helvetius Hobler was born in 1764. He was the first child christened in the newly formed First Swiss Church of London formed in 1761. His education was carefully attended to and he eventually became Chief Clerk to the Chief Magistrate of London a position which he held for 50 years. His biography is in Maunders and the Illustrated London News of November 1843 includes him in their 'Popular Portraits'. I am lucky enough to have copies of these and can get a good description of 'the gentleman'. If only research was this easy! James married Mary Furby and they had four children. James and Mary are buried in Highgate cemetery. I have yet to learn about the Furbys. So far I have joined Furby lists and looked for records without success. However, I'll keep pursuing till I do. Thank you to all those who helped me get this far. Liisa Hobler Australia _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Hi, Andrea and listers, Is there any information (e.g. IGI Batch Numbers) for Huguenot churches elsewhere in the UK? When I visited the republic of Ireland a few years ago I saw the ruins of a few Huguenot churches. I wasn't searching for Huguenot ancestors at that time, and, unfortunately, we didn't get to NIR, where my Huguenot ancestors, DEAZELEY, lived (Co. Fermanagh). I read through all the names which Andrea lists for the H. churches in and around London, but no luck. (I hope the DEAZELEYs aren't a figment of my imagination! <g>) If anyone has any information about Huguenots and/or their churches in NIR, please contact me/the HWE list. Thanks. Betty Nelson

Fellow listers -- This is a follow-up on the topic of LDS batch numbers which was mentioned in some posts over the last couple of days re: the Glasshouse Street and Leicester Fields French Churches in London. Here are further batch numbers for other Huguenot churches in London. You can try entering them when searching for your surnames in the IGI on the LDS site (www.familysearch.org). The batch numbers are: St. Jean, Spitalfields -- C049061 Threadneedle Street -- C049032 Church of the Artillery -- C049051 La Patente -- C049141 Savoye de Spring Gardens & Les Grecs -- C049271 Hungerford Market or Castle Street -- C049221 Le Carré & Berwick Street -- C049191 Hoxton -- C049121 As mentioned before, the batch number for Glasshouse Street & Leicester Fields is C049211. Also, the Walloon Church at Canterbury is C049021. You may also want to try other numbers, sequentially. For example, Threadneedle Street is C049032, so try the numbers before and after this one to see what you get, eg. C049031 & C049033, etc. Regards to all. Andrea

Dear Liisa Glasshouse Street seems to have moved since the 18th century. As far as I can gather it covered the ground of the present-day Vigo Street, crossed what is now Regent Street, then joined up to Brewer Street (still in the same place). To confuse matters further, the present-day Glasshouse Street was called Marylebone Street in the 18th century. If you look at http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll? <http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?> it becomes a little clearer. I think the author of John Tevelein's quote: "First of all there was a Huguenot Church in Glasshouse Street, London W1 near Regents Park" was muddling Regent's Park with Regent Street (neither of which existed in the 1750s). At any rate, both old and new Glasshouse Streets are only a few steps away from modern Leicester Square (shrunk from Leicester Fields) and Orange Street. Sorry if you are still confused... Contact me offline and I'll try and look further Julia ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the postmaster at postmaster@sothebys.com. **********************************************************************

Dear List, Yesterday in researching my own family's line, I uncovered the only reference I've seen for the family of a friend of mine, so thought I'd submit a query on the off chance someone on this list is researching this name. Editor Michael Tepper, in his book, "Emigrants to Pennsylvania, 1641-1819," (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1975), p. 20, notes that the "Friend's Adventure" arrived in the American Colonies on the Delaware River near Philadelphia on the 28th of the 7th month 1682 (Old Style calendar). On board were Thomas WALL with his servants: Job HOULE and Eliza EATON, both to serve four years and to be set free on the 29 of the 7th month 1686 (Old Style). On the same ship is the William VENABLES family. Is anyone doing any work on the HOULE/HOULLE family? (My friend says her family's tradition is that these people came from the Alsace-Lorraine region of France/Germany and finally settled in St. Louis, Missouri, USA.) Thanks. Bonnie Bowman Henson

A quick search found the site http://www.orange-street-church.org/text/huguenot.htm which inter-alia give a good indication "First of all there was a Huguenot Church in Glasshouse Street, London W1 near Regents Park. But soon that church could not hold them all and it was necessary to purchase a site near Leicester Fields where they built the Leicester Fields Chapel now known as the Orange Street Church referred to above. It was a much larger church than at present and the actual sanctuary occupied the site from the alley-way at the side of the present church, with frontage along Orange Street which was not so named at that time, down to the corner where the library now stands and to the same depth as at present. The present Minister, our friend the Rev. Harold Stough told me this a few years ago when I was visiting Orange Street. All the building was used for the activities of the then Huguenot's Church and its congregation. But now, all but the area of the present church, the crypt and one or two small rooms, are let out to other people, some for office premises and the library which I mentioned, the Newton Institute occupies rooms at the back on two floors." John Tevelein Melbourne Australia > Hello, everyone, I am forwarding this message re Glasshouse Street and Leicester Fields French > Huguenot Church at Westminster>