Hello Listers and Happy New Year, I like Jan's idea although I don't have too much to offer. However last Friday arrived in my snail mail a lovely little booklet put together by my cousin Mona Germaine, on the Peter Street Cemetery in Dublin, Ireland. This was a non-conformist French Huguenot church and cemetery known as <French Peters> Dublin, and existed from 1711 to 1879. The booklet contains reference to wills and marriage settlements, includes tombstone inscriptions, burials, pedigree charts and biographies of those associated with the church. As I read it much use has been made of the Publs. of the Huguenot Society, but clearly there is much besides. As most of you must know by now I also have Grace Lawless Lee's Huguenot Settlements in Ireland. Regards and best wishes for 2001 Kaye Cole in Melbourne JanIsobel@aol.com wrote: > With the new year fast approaching, perhaps it's time to consider a new

Roy >I originally wrote >Does anyone have any information on the name CHARITE also spelt CHARRET, >CHARETTE or CHARROT. I have been told this is a Huguenot name. >An Ancestor of mine was ANTONIO CHARITE he died in West Wales in 1851 aged >about 70. A mariner who may originally have lived in Bristol. Thanks for your reply regarding my query regarding the name Charite, Charot or Charette. Unfortunately my ancestor died a few months before the 1851 census was taken and was not with his family on the night of the 1841 census. Presumably as he was a mariner he was away at sea. Family legend says that the family originally came from Bretonne which would concur with your previous mail. I have been unable to trace his marriage to a local woman , but I did find out he was a Trinity House Pensioner. Unfortunately I could find no record of his petition. Have you any suggestion where to look next. Many Thanks Paul Cavill

A good idea to share resources. I already do this with copious records of other (non-Huguenot) family names and other lists. A grandmother's Huguenot name was DISSPAIN (early 1900's), and her line has been traced so far to Lambeth (London) early 1800's, but connections further back hard to confirm. There are numerous variations of the name (D'ESPAINE etc) in earlier centuries. Apart from long lists of DISSPAIN records (and numerous variations from Kent), I do not have many resources as yet. But have ordered fiche of Vicar General marriage licenses, and have a fiche copy of the book "Huguenot Exiles from France in the Reign of Louis XlV", though this tends to concentrate on Huguenots with some social standing than my own lowly line! Willing to do the occasional look-up. Lesley Jones (London)

Hi Andrea and List, I just got home from church and I got message number 339, the first I have had since Dec 23rd. I re subscribed yesterday, so it seems the problem may be solved. I look forward to some breakthroughs in 2001. Best of the new year, and peace to everyone, and wishes for the best in your searching. Thanks everyone, I really appreciate the help and info I have received on the HWE list. Karen JENTER Michigan

Hi, everyone -- Sorry for my delay in replying to messages (both on and off list) these days. I seem to have ground to a much-needed screeching halt for a while, after a very busy holiday (and a horrible cold, plus innumerable DIY projects around the house, in the weeks leading up to it). The following is a further response to concerns expressed by Karen (30 Dec) about not receiving list messages. I am replying on the list, as well as sending her a copy privately, in case others are wondering as well. My apologies for being off-topic but I think this issue is one which others may also be concerned about. However, if it doesn't interest you at all, please delete this message now <g>. Karen, I am at a loss to explain why you have received no messages posted to H-W-E since 23 Dec. I have access to a listing of e-mail addresses for all subscribers and can confirm that you are subscribed to the list as usual at this time and have been so all along. I am automatically informed by Rootsweb whenever anyone subscribes or unsubscribes. I received no notification that you were unsubscribed at any time (although I did see your request to be re-subscribed). As well, the fact that you have successfully posted messages twice over the last few days also indicates that you are indeed a subscriber (Rootsweb only accepts messages from subscribers, and rejects ones which are not from subscribers.) However, I notice that you are subscribed in digest mode, which means you may not be receiving your digest package of messages as frequently as usual, due to the fact that only a few have been posted to the list for most of the last week or so. Is there a possibility that there is a problem with your server (AOL) which is not delivering messages to you? If so, you might make inquiries to them about this. On the other hand, if there is a difficulty such as this, with Rootsweb being unable to deliver messages to a subscriber (for any reason), I am routinely informed by Rootsweb about it and I have had no such notification. I hope this problem is now cleared up for Karen and for anyone else experiencing the same situation. If it is not or if similar difficulties arise in future, I would appreciate being notified privately, off-list, so that we can keep to Huguenot/Walloon topics on the list. My best to you all on this last day of December in the year 2000. Andrea

Hello Andrea and Lister, I inquired a day or so ago about messages to the list. For some reason I have not gotten any message since Dec 23, 2000. I have been able to go into the archives and read what I am missing. Is anyone else not receiving messages? I have gone back in and re subscribed, but have not received the usual subscriber's message. I guess I will wait until this evening to see if anything develops. Thanks. Karen JENTER Michigan

Jan wrote on Saturday, December 30, 2000 1:39 PM | With the new year fast approaching, perhaps it's time to consider a new | idea. It appears from many past posts over this year that a number of us | have access to various reference materials. Given the common interest we | share, it stands to reason that possibly there is a great deal of duplication | of the reference material amongst us. What I would like to propose is that | we gather a list of available reference materials and that we individually | make commitments to help those who do not have the materials available to | them. For example, I have the following at my disposal: | | The Huguenots of London (Robin Gwynn) | Huguenot Ancestry (Noel Currer-Briggs & Royston Gambier) | The Quiet Conquest - The Huguenots 1685 to 1985 (Catalogue by Museum of | London and the Huguenot Society of London) | Immigrant Histories: Huguenot Settlers in North America and Europe, 1600's - | 1900's | (CD#600 Family Tree Maker's Family Archives) | Various pamphlets acquired in Canterbury | | While I have often searched some or all of this material for "names" that are | submitted by list members, I have not been able to do it consistently. I am | now prepared to do a search of my available reference materials once a week | for all names that appear in the posts from the former week. It occurs to me | that if others are willing to make such a commitment that perhaps any scraps | of information we can provide will help some of our fellow listers. | | What I propose is that each of us who is willing and able to make a similar | commitment post a list of our available materials. We could then nail down | the duplications and sort out who will take responsibility for searching | which piece of reference material. Where there are duplications, perhaps we | could take turns on alternate weeks. For each of us willing to do the | searches, we could post all entries/finds once a week for all names | researched for the former week. | | This is just an idea and perhaps it's not a good one, but I thought I would | toss it out and gather your thoughts. It occurs to me that several people | such as Andrea (of course!) and Roy have been spending a great deal of time | helping so many of us and it would be helpful to all if more of us chipped in | on a more regular basis. I, for one, quite often search my materials to see | if I have anything available, and I'm certain that I'm not alone in that | practise. The problem is that I don't know if others are duplicating my | effort and I haven't been posting if I don't find any references. | | Just a thought for the new year... | | Regards to all and a very happy new year, | Jan Zwarick I entirely agree with the above and I think you will find that Andrea is already giving thought to such an idea. What also needs to be given consideration is the terms under which such advice is given. What is needed is encouragement to enable individuals to do undertake their own research and not for others to do it for them. In my view requests that warrant research by others must show that they have genuinely tried to solve the problem. What I am loathe to do is to spend considerable time trawling through records based on a very vague request. I also think that all questions and answers should come through the list for the benefit of others. In this way they are archived and available for future researchers. My suggestion was that such a list, as is suggested by Jan, should be part of an information sheet published by Andrea at regular intervals as this would enable the list to be continually updated as people either acquire further information or join/leave the list. I am quite happy to provide a list of the information I have available should this suggestion be taken up. Roy Day.

Robert W Fay wrote on Friday, December 29, 2000 9:53 PM | Hi everyone and as it's almost January, I'll try a post now. | | Is there any Huguenot history associated with this statement made by Orlin P Fay in "John Fay | of Marlborough and his Descendants" 1898 JB Savage Cleveland Ohio. He is apparently been | provided this information from other sources and is just repeating it. Here is the quote: | | "Antoine La Fay, a French Protestant minister born at Chattandun. He became Professor of | Phrology at Geneva in 1584, he wrote several theological works and a life of Beza in 1606. He | died in 1615. On Sunday July 25, 1593, Henry IV having abjured the Protestant faith conversed | with the Protestant Minister Anthony de la Fay and embraced him two or three times, repeating | to him the words "I have made myself Anathema for the sake of all like Moses and St Paul." | Guizot's History of France spells it Anthony de la Faye but probably they are one and the same | person." | | Is that a credible statement? We also seem to have some history in some branches of the Fay's | of Huguenot history but it is unsubstantiated at this point. Is there any history of the Fay's, | de Fay's, de la Faye's, etc as Huguenots? Are you sure the place in France is Chattandun? I cannot find a place with this name but can find two with a similar name, CHATEAUDUN. One of these is in Paris and the other in the Centre region in the present department of Eure-et-Loire. What is also interesting is that in the later place there was a Protestant Temple and the records comprising several registers covering the period 1591-1685 are in the departmental archives at Chartres. I suggest you write to the archives as I have found them to be very helpful. Again I can supply the address if you do not have it. They do not appear to be available through the LDS. This would also tie in with Henry IV as this was his area of France. There were also to my knowledge three other Protestant Temples in the area and they were at Vendome, Fredonniere and Mondoubleau. By a coincidence one of the members of the family that I am researching, LERPINIERE, was Pasteur at all three temples. There are several references to this area in a book by Raoul de Saint Venant "Dictionnaire topograhique, biographique, genealogique et heraldique de Vendomois et de l'arrondissment de Vendome. This book is available in the Paris genealogical library. There are, obviously, many references to the name in the Paris genealogical library and I can supply details of these if of interest once the location has been clarified. Strangely my cousin married a Fay but he was very Irish. Let me know if can be of further help. Roy Day

Does anyone have any information on the name CHARITE also spelt CHARRET, CHARETTE or CHARROT. I have been told this is a Huguenot name. An Ancestor of mine was ANTONIO CHARITE he died in West Wales in 1851 aged about 70. A mariner who may originally have lived in Bristol. Thanks in anticipation Paul Cavill

Thanks for the info Roy and Kaye, We can further research the location and try to get a better fix on that with more work. As far as the Fay's from Ireland, that is an interesting Huguenot related story and there are several unrelated Fays there. The surname Fay/Fahy/Fahey is derived from ancient Irish names like O'Faich, and that is one group in the south of Ireland and Galway in particular. There is also the Foy/Fee/Fay surname group and conceiveably that is derived from the de Foye that Kaye mentioned. The little I know of this group is that they are around Galway. Then there are the Norman Fay's of Meath. They are actually from France and came to Ireland under Henry II. Other members of the same French Fay family appear to have subsequently left France going to many places in the old and new world with the Huguenots. This is the group that is related to the Antoine de La Fay of my post. Thanks for all the information. Bob Fay Date forwarded: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 04:15:06 -0800 From: "Roy Day" <royday@dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: [HWE] Antoine de La Fay, France ca.1600 Date sent: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 12:13:01 -0000 To: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com > > Robert W Fay wrote on Friday, December 29, 2000 9:53 PM > > | Hi everyone and as it's almost January, I'll try a post now. > | > | Is there any Huguenot history associated with this statement made by Orlin > P Fay in "John Fay > | of Marlborough and his Descendants" 1898 JB Savage Cleveland Ohio. He is > apparently been > | provided this information from other sources and is just repeating it. > Here is the quote: > | > | "Antoine La Fay, a French Protestant minister born at Chattandun. He > became Professor of > | Phrology at Geneva in 1584, he wrote several theological works and a life > of Beza in 1606. He > | died in 1615. On Sunday July 25, 1593, Henry IV having abjured the > Protestant faith conversed > | with the Protestant Minister Anthony de la Fay and embraced him two or > three times, repeating > | to him the words "I have made myself Anathema for the sake of all like > Moses and St Paul." > | Guizot's History of France spells it Anthony de la Faye but probably they > are one and the same > | person." > | > | Is that a credible statement? We also seem to have some history in some > branches of the Fay's > | of Huguenot history but it is unsubstantiated at this point. Is there any > history of the Fay's, > | de Fay's, de la Faye's, etc as Huguenots? > > Are you sure the place in France is Chattandun? I cannot find a place with > this name but can find two with a similar name, CHATEAUDUN. One of these is > in Paris and the other in the Centre region in the present department of > Eure-et-Loire. What is also interesting is that in the later place there > was a Protestant Temple and the records comprising several registers > covering the period 1591-1685 are in the departmental archives at Chartres. > I suggest you write to the archives as I have found them to be very helpful. > Again I can supply the address if you do not have it. They do not appear to > be available through the LDS. > > This would also tie in with Henry IV as this was his area of France. There > were also to my knowledge three other Protestant Temples in the area and > they were at Vendome, Fredonniere and Mondoubleau. By a coincidence one of > the members of the family that I am researching, LERPINIERE, was Pasteur at > all three temples. > > There are several references to this area in a book by Raoul de Saint Venant > "Dictionnaire topograhique, biographique, genealogique et heraldique de > Vendomois et de l'arrondissment de Vendome. This book is available in the > Paris genealogical library. > > There are, obviously, many references to the name in the Paris genealogical > library and I can supply details of these if of interest once the location > has been clarified. > > Strangely my cousin married a Fay but he was very Irish. > > Let me know if can be of further help. > > Roy Day > > > > ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe (if you are in list mode), > type and send only the word unsubscribe to: > Huguenots-Walloons-Europe-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > Robert W Fay Sturtevant, Wisconsin USA Researching Fay (WI, NY) de Fay (Normandy, Ireland, England, France), Rose (IA, VA), de Rose(Normandy, Scotland), Deagan (WI, O H, Irela nd), Burritt (NY, CT) Visit the Fay websites at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~faywebsite/index.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fayfamily/index.html Join us at the FAY Mail list at Rootsweb.com: Subscribe by sending an email with the single word subscribe on the subject line to: FAY-L-Request@rootsweb.com

With the new year fast approaching, perhaps it's time to consider a new idea. It appears from many past posts over this year that a number of us have access to various reference materials. Given the common interest we share, it stands to reason that possibly there is a great deal of duplication of the reference material amongst us. What I would like to propose is that we gather a list of available reference materials and that we individually make commitments to help those who do not have the materials available to them. For example, I have the following at my disposal: The Huguenots of London (Robin Gwynn) Huguenot Ancestry (Noel Currer-Briggs & Royston Gambier) The Quiet Conquest - The Huguenots 1685 to 1985 (Catalogue by Museum of London and the Huguenot Society of London) Immigrant Histories: Huguenot Settlers in North America and Europe, 1600's - 1900's (CD#600 Family Tree Maker's Family Archives) Various pamphlets acquired in Canterbury While I have often searched some or all of this material for "names" that are submitted by list members, I have not been able to do it consistently. I am now prepared to do a search of my available reference materials once a week for all names that appear in the posts from the former week. It occurs to me that if others are willing to make such a commitment that perhaps any scraps of information we can provide will help some of our fellow listers. What I propose is that each of us who is willing and able to make a similar commitment post a list of our available materials. We could then nail down the duplications and sort out who will take responsibility for searching which piece of reference material. Where there are duplications, perhaps we could take turns on alternate weeks. For each of us willing to do the searches, we could post all entries/finds once a week for all names researched for the former week. This is just an idea and perhaps it's not a good one, but I thought I would toss it out and gather your thoughts. It occurs to me that several people such as Andrea (of course!) and Roy have been spending a great deal of time helping so many of us and it would be helpful to all if more of us chipped in on a more regular basis. I, for one, quite often search my materials to see if I have anything available, and I'm certain that I'm not alone in that practise. The problem is that I don't know if others are duplicating my effort and I haven't been posting if I don't find any references. Just a thought for the new year... Regards to all and a very happy new year, Jan Zwarick

Fugards 1870-1890 found in Co. Armagh & Down. Supposed to have been French Huguenots & followers of William & Mary of Orange. First found in VT in America Rev.War and up to 1890 in Illinois.

Hi everyone and as it's almost January, I'll try a post now. Is there any Huguenot history associated with this statement made by Orlin P Fay in "John Fay of Marlborough and his Descendants" 1898 JB Savage Cleveland Ohio. He is apparently been provided this information from other sources and is just repeating it. Here is the quote: "Antoine La Fay, a French Protestant minister born at Chattandun. He became Professor of Phrology at Geneva in 1584, he wrote several theological works and a life of Beza in 1606. He died in 1615. On Sunday July 25, 1593, Henry IV having abjured the Protestant faith conversed with the Protestant Minister Anthony de la Fay and embraced him two or three times, repeating to him the words "I have made myself Anathema for the sake of all like Moses and St Paul." Guizot's History of France spells it Anthony de la Faye but probably they are one and the same person." Is that a credible statement? We also seem to have some history in some branches of the Fay's of Huguenot history but it is unsubstantiated at this point. Is there any history of the Fay's, de Fay's, de la Faye's, etc as Huguenots? Thanks, Bob Fay > I'm sure that, once January is here, things will get back to normal on > the list. Hope my comments here have reassured anyone who was concerned. > Best wishes to all. Andrea Robert W Fay Sturtevant, Wisconsin USA Researching Fay (WI, NY) de Fay (Normandy, Ireland, England, France), Rose (IA, VA), de Rose(Normandy, Scotland), Deagan (WI, O H, Irela nd), Burritt (NY, CT) Visit the Fay websites at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~faywebsite/index.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fayfamily/index.html Join us at the FAY Mail list at Rootsweb.com: Subscribe by sending an email with the single word subscribe on the subject line to: FAY-L-Request@rootsweb.com

Hello, everyone -- Has anyone else been wondering, like Karen, if they've been unintentionally unsubscribed from the list because few (or no) messages have been received over the last week or so? Relax. Everything is OK -- it's just the holiday season when most people have little time to post and/or read messages. For example, I've had guests in the house since 20 Dec. They just left yesterday and I've taken another day or so to recuperate (as well as rest on my laurels for a job well done! <g>). Karen, you're still subscribed to H-W-E with your message on 26 Dec posted to the list just fine. And since 22 Dec, there have been a total of seven messages posted. Thanks to everyone who took the time to do this during a very busy time of year! If anyone is ever in doubt that a message of theirs has been posted or believe that they are not receiving list messages, a good place to check is in the list archives. Go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/huguenots-walloons-europe/, select a particular month and then put all the messages in chronological order. This will quickly show you if you have seen/read all of them or if your own message is there. Then contact me if you find any problem. And, if you ever forget how to get into the archives, instructions are always available through the list website at http://www.island.net/~andreav/index.html (look in The Basics section). I'm sure that, once January is here, things will get back to normal on the list. Hope my comments here have reassured anyone who was concerned. Best wishes to all. Andrea

Hello everyone, I sent a message to the list on Dec 26, 2000, but have not seen it appear. Actually I have not had any message from the list since Dec 23, 2000. I was wondering if I had somehow unsubscribed from HWE and not realized it, or is everyone still caught up in holiday plans and activities. Best of wishes for the season and to everyone in their research. Karen JENTER Michigan USA JENTER, JENDER, JENDRE, GENDER, GENDRE

"Documents, chiefly unpublished relating to the Hugenot Emigration to Virginia and to the settlement at Manakin Town, published by the Virginia Historical Society in 1886" http://www.ls.net/~newriver/va/manakin.htm Carol Don't let another child be hurt by ignorance. Educate yourself and your children about Tourette Syndrome. www.tsa-usa.org Care2 make the world greener !

Hello everyone, I have been told that the name GUINAN may have its origins in Huguenot France even though I've only been able to trace them back to Co Offaly in Ireland. Is there a reference somewhere to the names that may be of such an origin? I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who might know. My GUINANs arrived in New Zealand in 1873 from Ireland via Scotland, where they lived for about 45 years in Dundee. It would seem that they came from a relatively small area in the west of Offaly. Does anyone know whether this was a Nuguenot location of any significance? Any help in the above matters will be greatly appreciated. Malcolm Airs Uralla NSW Australia

Hello.... I found these items surfing on the Beta site for the new search engine at www.gendoor.com. Canterbury was one of the havens of refuge for the Huguenots....among other things. Interesting is it not ?....malinda Kent Co., England Baptisms http://www.sartorelli.gen.nz/tree/kentbaptisms/b.html BROWNE, ELIZABETH 27 Aug 1693 ST.MARY NORTHGAT, Canterbury, KENT, ENGLAND ROBERT BROWN MARY KEEVER BROWN, MARY 31 May 1697 ST.MARY NORTHGAT, Canterbury, KENT, ENGLAND ROBERT BROWN MARY KEEVER BROWN, ROBERT 31 Aug 1701 ST.MARY NORTHGAT, Canterbury, KENT, ENGLAND ROBERT BROWN MARY KEEVER BROWN, THOMAS 5 Dec 1703 ST.MARY NORTHGAT, Canterbury, KENT, ENGLAND ROBERT BROWN MARY KEEVER BROWN, JANE 28 Oct 1705 ST.MARY NORTHGAT, Canterbury, KENT, ENGLAND ROBERT BROWN MARY KEEVER

Hello Everyone, I hope all had pleasant holidays. I have missed getting messages from the list, I know everyone has been busy with the holidays. I have a vacation from until after New Year's and today, I was looking through some info I had, that I haven't been able to get to, because of holiday preparations. Catherine Noth, a lister from France found the following information for me doing some research for the YENDER family: JENDRE or JENDER Francois Jean Georges died 24 Dec 1832 age 21. He was military at the 52th regiment of line infantry, was born in Herbsheim. Son of Jean Georges JENDER age 48 born in Walsteten(BW) and of the late Rosalie BONNET, who died age 42 in Herbsheim. The information of Walsteten is here contradictory with information found in other records. JENDER Jean Georges died on 3 Jan 1836 age 52. He was born in Weilheim (Kingdom of Wuerttemberg) and widow in 1st marriage of Rosalie BONNET and widow in 2nd marriage of Marie Madeleine WINTZER. He was the son of the late Louis JENDER and the late Christine (EPHLERIN). The second witness of the death was Francois Xavier JENDER age 21 his son JENDER Francois Xavier married on 19 June 1837 ADAM Marie Francoise (see details of the records in following e-mail) They had following children : Marie Elisabeth born 19 July 1838 Jean Georges born 14 January 1840 Marie Barbe 14 March 1842 who died 8 August 1842 Aloise born 20 May 1843 Francois Xavier 1844 In the 1837 wedding record there is following mention : The groom is also stating that in his birth record his surname was spelled JENDER and that his mothers name was given as Marie Rosalie BONNETT but that those were mistakes : in fact he is the son of Jean Georges JENTER born in Weilheim (Wurtemberg) on 1st March 1784 and of Rosalie BONNET born in Herbsheim on 5 January 1781. This is confirmed by the other witnesses following the « Avis du Conseil d¹Etat » of 30 March 1818. *************************** Today I tried some variations of spellings on the IGI and came up with some intresting records. JENDER, Mary christened 27 Feb 1663 St Alphege, Canterbury, Kent England father Richard GENDER, Elizabeth christened 30 Apr 1666 St Alphege, fth Richard, mth Mary GENDER, Catherine christened 31 Jul 1670 St Alphege, fth Richard Mth Mary GENDER, Anne Christened 29 Sep 1672 St Alphege, Fth Richard, Mth Mary I also found about 4 records for various GENDRE christened between 1714 and 1724 at the Walloon or Strangers Church, Canterbury, Kent, England. All of this give me hope that I can connect my Huguenot ancestor, one Laux JENTER born circa 1580 in France, escaped and settled in Heselwangen, BW, Germany, to any of therse records. If anyone is researching JENTER, JENDRE, JENDER, GENDER, GENDRE, or anything similar, I would love to hear from them. (Please forgive me for such a long message, but I have hope that there may be a crack in my wall, and I might be able to find out where in France Laux JENTER is from.) thanks for reading this, Karen JENTER Michigan USA

Hello Everyone and Happy Holidays: I have a listed in my database (suspect it came from the LDS webpages) of a John LE PLA/LEPLA marrying Jane DECONS(? DESCOUS?) 8 Oct 1680 at Temple Church of England, London, England - the source is a book as well as an LDS film and I was wondering if anyone would know which French church in London would have been called Temple Church of England or was that the Templars church, which I visited once. Many thanks for any information at all - Carol California