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Hi Marie & Fellow Listers, The newsgroup or mailings list best to post enquires for France, Belgium and Netherlands area is soc.genealogy.benelux. You can find instructions how to subscribe at the Rootsweb site www.rootsweb.com or through Cyndi's List www.cyndislist.com by going to the country of interest, then newsgroup/mail lists section. Please keep in mind, subscribers to this list post in their own language. Posting in English is no problem as most subscribers know English. If you happen to see a message with the names you are seaching and it is in another language, just ask for a translation. A kind subscriber will translate for you. Happy Hunting Sue de Groot Toronto, Ontario sue.degroot@sympatico.ca

I am pretty sure that the name of the ship is 'The Spotted Cow". I do not know how often it sailed from the Netherlands to America, but I have ancestors who sailed on the same ship at in a different year. I need to check my records, but I wrote as soon as I saw the ships name, since it was something I recognised. Althought I have Huguenots in my ancestery, I recognize very little with this group. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Andrea Vogel <andreav@island.net> To: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:49 PM Subject: [HWE] Pierre NOUE inquiry > Hello List -- > This is in response to an inquiry from Patricia <curran@innernet.net> on >2 Feb re: Pierre NOUE family who sailed to British North America on the ship >"De Bonte Koe" in 1663. Pierre's European origins are unknown but the family >obviously is French, judging by the names provided. > > I am wondering if a search for this family in the Netherlands might get >some results. I say this because of the name of the ship Pierre sailed on -- >I believe "koe" is Dutch for "cow". I don't know the meaning of the word >"bonte" (an online translation gave me the word crow but that doesn't make >sense here). Maybe some native Dutch speakers can help. > Is it possible to find out which port this ship sailed from or any other >information about the ship which might provide clues? This might give an >idea of where to start looking in Europe. > > Also, there were many Walloon churches in the Netherlands (including the >ports of Rotterdam and Amsterdam) to which Pierre and his family may have >fled, possibly after leaving France. Please see the post in list archives >dated 11 Jan with subject line: Walloon Churches in NL. > > Good luck! Unless you pinpoint at least a general location in Europe, >it's like looking for a needle in a haystack, as I'm sure you know. Also, >don't forget to check the IGI on the LDS website (www.familysearch.org) in >case there are clues there. Andrea > > > > > > > > > > >==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== >To access list archives: go to URL's below for 1)threaded or 2)keyword >1) http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/huguenots-walloons-europe >2) http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >============================== >Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Hello Everybody, Can anyone please tell me if the surnames SICAR and DEBANFER are of French/Huguenot origin. I have Susanna Sicar in Dublin and Jane Debanfer in London, both in the early 1800's. Thanks Christine Walsh - Melbourne, Australia

"Dr. Edward D. Rockstein" wrote: > [snip] > Bonte is like bunte in German= colored or as I've seen rendered for this ship > "The Spotted Cow." > I should have said "colorful"rather than "colored." Bonte does not mean "crow"in Dutch. "Crow" is "Kraai" or sometimes "bonte Kraai" = "colorful crow"literally rendered. Dutch "Kraai" is analogous to German "Krähe" = "crow." > ER > Ed Rockstein > > Dr. Edward D. Rockstein > Columbia, MD

Hello List -- This is in response to an inquiry from Patricia <curran@innernet.net> on 2 Feb re: Pierre NOUE family who sailed to British North America on the ship "De Bonte Koe" in 1663. Pierre's European origins are unknown but the family obviously is French, judging by the names provided. I am wondering if a search for this family in the Netherlands might get some results. I say this because of the name of the ship Pierre sailed on -- I believe "koe" is Dutch for "cow". I don't know the meaning of the word "bonte" (an online translation gave me the word crow but that doesn't make sense here). Maybe some native Dutch speakers can help. Is it possible to find out which port this ship sailed from or any other information about the ship which might provide clues? This might give an idea of where to start looking in Europe. Also, there were many Walloon churches in the Netherlands (including the ports of Rotterdam and Amsterdam) to which Pierre and his family may have fled, possibly after leaving France. Please see the post in list archives dated 11 Jan with subject line: Walloon Churches in NL. Good luck! Unless you pinpoint at least a general location in Europe, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack, as I'm sure you know. Also, don't forget to check the IGI on the LDS website (www.familysearch.org) in case there are clues there. Andrea

Hello, fellow listers -- This is in response to the post today (7 Feb) from Marie <njtransplant@home.com> in which she outlined her VAN LAEYS & deVLIEGER ancestry. Marie, you did not mention any possible Huguenot/Wallon ancestry for your family. Was there any? It is true that the locations you included are "right" in terms of Huguenots/Walloons (France/Belgium) but the mere fact that people came from these areas does not prove Huguenot ancestry. Also, you said that you believe this family was Roman Catholic. Please keep in mind that the Huguenots/Walloons were Protestant. In fact, it was their Protestantism which resulted in their persecutions by the Catholic governments of their home countries and also resulted in their fleeing those home countries for safer locations. Therefore, being Catholic, it would seem unlikely that the VAN LAEYS and deVLIEGER families had Huguenot connections. As well, the dates you mentioned (mid-1800s+) were much too late a time period. Keep in mind that Huguenots/Walloons were from the 16th-18th centuries. For further clarification on Huguenots/Walloons, I hope you will go to our list website at http://www.island.net/~andreav/index.html. The Introduction section there has a discussion of this topic titled Who were the Huguenots and Walloons? This also includes information on the modern-day Walloons of Belgium which is a totally different group from the historical Walloons discussed on this list. The former are mostly Catholic, for example -- perhaps your family falls into this category. Possibly joining a Belgian or French mailing list would be helpful to you in your research, Marie. If you are interested, you can find out more about other lists on our list website -- look in the Beyond the Basics section under title Other Mailing Lists. Good luck and I hope these comments have been of some help. Andrea

I am still looking for information on my Grandparents, and their siblings. I would appreciate any information you may be able to provide. VAN LAEYS, FORTUNE R. born: 1863-died 1938 may have come from Mouscron, Belguim or Roubaix, France, migrated around 1890. His sister Irma VAN LAEYS born: 1870-died 1941 last residence was Mouscron, Belguim, prior to migrating around 1890. Another sister Marie VAN LAEYS FRENOY last lived in Tourcoing, France migrated around 1915. DEVLIEGER, VALENTIENE T. born: 1863-died 1941. May have lived in Roubaix, France. Father's name Georges DEVLIEGER a silk merchant working in Fabric Manufacturing in Roubaix, France. Brother Pierre DEVLIEGER born: 1865-died 1934 Lived in boarder towns Roubaix, France or Mouscron, Belguim. Migrated 1880's. I believe they were Roman Catholic. Thank you in advance for your help. Marie Van Laeys (NJtransplant@home.com)

Dear Andrea and all listmembers, it looks a bit as if you are all so quiet, that Andrea has to do all the writing so we all get at least some mail :) I thank you for the long explanation about how to look for more information on a name, but I'm really only interested in the Guillaume FOUQUET I mentioned and his wife Susanne FIERE. They came from the Thierache, Picardie and were first registered in Frankenthal, Pfalz at 15 Dec. 1653, when they got married. The Guillaume FOUQUET married Jane EYRE in Virginia, could be a son of my Guillaume, we are researching that. In fact, this guy is in all US records listed as Gill Fuqua and no one really knows anything about his real name. FOUQUET is not a very common name and I would love to connect my line to the famous French painter Jean FOUQUET or with the French minister of finances Nicolaus FOUQUET, who build such a splendid castle (Vaux-la-Vicomte), that French king Louis XIV got yealous and put him into jail for the rest of his life. But he took the architects and craftsmen and had them built Versailles. But that doesn't really fit to the farmer from the Picardie, who raised (at least) 12 children, settled first in the Palatinate, later in Hessen (where Guillaume died), but his wife and the 12 children and their families moved on to the East and settled in the Uckermark, Brandenburg, some even moved further in the next generation and settled in East-Prussia. I'm now trying to build a family tree with as many of the decendants of Guillaume FOUQUET and Susanne FIERE in Germany as possible. While doing that, I'm getting pretty good at the history of the huguenots in Brandenburg, Prussia, especially in the Uckermark. So if you come over a huguenot name and places as Strasburg (also spelled Strasbourg), Prenzlau, Bergholz, Battin, in the late 17th century and throughout 1701-1850 you can ask me for connections. I'm doing most of my research in the central archive of evangelical church in Berlin, where they have microfiches of the french reformed churchbooks of Brandenburg (country of Germany). Here is something I found out about Daniel LABARRE married to Judith ROSSIGNOL and posted to the Labar lists today. Daniel (de) la Barre settled with his wife Judith Rossignol in the French colony of Prenzlau in the Uckermark, Prussia around 1707. (He was in the Palatinate before) Other family members were in Strasburg, Uckermark and in Bergholz, Uckermark all within a distance of like 20-30 miles. I also have a death entry for another Daniel Labarre, farmer, who died in Bergholz, Uckermark, 13 Jan 1700 in the age of 70 years, he originate from "Zelande" -Netherlands. The handwritings of both ministers (in Prenzlau and in Bergholz) are terrible to read. And the fotocopies I took didn't come out to good either. Today I found birth entries for the following children of Daniel Labarre and Judith Rossignol in the church book of the French reformed church of Prenzlau: Nr. 421 Esther Labarre, born 30 Jan. 1708 Nr. 465 Rachel Labarre, born 9 Jan. 1714 Nr. 511 Anthoine Labarre, born 29 April 1719 His profession is given as "maitre tisserant", his birth place as "franqueville proche de la ville de guises en France", Judith's birthplace as "du deserre dans palatinate". Now around that time the Palatinate was devasted by war with France (that is why the families left and settled in the East of Prussia). The borderline changed frequently. There are two other birth entries with a Daniel Labarre as father but with Anne Elisabeth Paul Caspart as mother. Good chance it is the same person, but could be a son just as well, since the profession is the same and the birthplace Franqueville but added province Picardie. Nr. 707 Marie Anne Alexandrine Labarre, born 29 July 1724 Nr. 812 Marie Sara Labarre, born 18 July 1729 Some more Labarre's from the same time in Prenzlau: Nr. 708 Anne Labarre, born 18.10.1724, daughter of Pierre Labarre, taylor from Effe? and Susanne Jacob, born in Fahrenwalde, Uckermark, the godfather is Daniel Labarre, grandfather of the child. Nr. 799 Henry Labarre, born 4 Feb. 1729, same parents as Nr. 708 Nr. 823 Marie La Barre, born 23 Jan. 1730, daughter of Abraham La Barre, tanner, born in Strasburg, Uckermark and Marie Neuveglise, born in Battin, Uckermark (my la Barre line) and from the same parents Nr. 938 Abraham La Barre, born 29 Aug. 1734 Nr. 986 Jacob La Barre, born 18 Sept. 1736 Nr. 1040 Elisabeth de la Barre, born 5 March 1739 Nr. 1079 Jean La Bart (that's how they spelled it !), born 4 Feb. 1741 No more birth entries for the other Labarre fathers, so they might have left after 1730 to go to America. The parents of "my Abraham La Barre (born 13 May 1708 in Strasburg, Uckermark)" are Guillaume de la Barre ( born 1684 Beindersheim, Pfalz) and Sara de Frene. Guillaume is the son of Abraham de la Barre (born 7 May 1654 Frankenthal, Pfalz) and Marie Jeanne Charles. Abraham is son of Abraham de la Barre and Anne du Pre. I hope all this will help you. Ina Friling

Hello everyone, I am just re registering my family history interests again. I am researching John BENIER/BENNIER/BANNEAR born 1809 in Germany, died 1881 in South Australia. He married Anna Maria Dorothea SPECHT, b.1816 in Germany? d 1895 in South Australia. They left Kritzow in Mecklenburg - Schwerin near Wismar, Germany, sailed from Hamburg in April 1844 to Nelson, New Zealand, with a group of German emigrants who planned to settle there but the New Zealand Company's plans fell into disarray and the group left NZ in November 1844 arriving at Hobart, Tasmania in December 1844. They left there and arrived at Port Adelaide in January 1845. They left Germany with five young children. They set up on land a few miles south of Adelaide. I would be grateful for any information anyone may have on this family or the places in Germany mentioned above or the New Zealand Company. Best wishes, Lorell J Benier (nee Davey) also researching DAVEY in Cornwall, PEACOCK in Norfolk, England.

To Whom: The name NOE was also spelled NEAU. A Pierre NEAU, Sr. of Portou, FR m. Sarah Anelia Jans of Walleslant, Holland prior 1635; son Pierre NEAU, Jr. 1635-1709 m. Margaret DuPont of Flanders (BEL) and their son Jean NOE 1670-1751 b. Staten Island, NY, d. Woodbridge, NJ in 1751 m. Elizabeth Damans GERARD in 1694 in NYC. etc. Tom Dally NJ

Hello to all -- Sorry for the length of this post. I hope it contains enough general information to be of interest to more than one subscriber. This is in response to a post by <Zastrowpm@netwurx.net> on 31 Jan re: surnames ANGEBEAU & DEHNE in the mid-1800's. No country was specified but I believe the locations mentioned (Schlagenthin, Arneswalde, Pommern and Vezins, Tuscany) are Germany and France. I am also sorry that this subscriber did not include his/her name in his/her post so I am unable to mention it here. My best advice to anyone who has information only from the mid-1800's is this: Begin searching records in the last location(s) where ancestors were known to have been, working your way back from there, for at least a hundred years or more (or as far as you can). There is no other way to prove Huguenot connections other than by this slow step-by-step research. In this case, it is known that Franz ANGEBEAU died on the 18 Apr 1847 at the age of 60 and that he was apparently born at Vezins, Beaupreau (France). Therefore, research needs to be done in the records of that location c1787 (an estimated DOB) to see if his birth or baptism can be found there. If not, try working outwards from this location to see if it can be found in nearby surrounding areas. No mention was made in the post from <Zastrowpm@netwurx.net> of possible Huguenot ancestry. However, the fact that ancestors appeared to move from France to Germany, particularly in this late time period (late 1700's-mid-1800's) is not in itself proof of Huguenot connections. Remember that Huguenots were those French Protestants who fled their country, generally in earlier time periods than this (mid-1500's+). For further information, please see the section titled Who were the Huguenots and Walloons? (in the Introduction section) on our list website at http://www.island.net/~andreav/index.html. Also, is the religion of the ANGEBEAU family known? Were they Protestants? It might be helpful to see if birth, death or marriage certificates are available for any of the events mentioned in the original post. Such certificates often contain useful information. However, the starting dates of civil registration in Germany varied according to region. The following URL shows a map which gives more information about civil registration in Germany -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~wggerman/civilreg.htm. Perhaps other listers who are familiar with research in Germany can post further civil registration and about obtaining certificates. As for France, I believe that civil registration began there in 1792 -- unfortunately, a few years later than the estimated birth of Franz ANGEBEAU. Does anyone else on the list have further information they can tell us about civil registration in France and where/how to obtain certificates? The only info I was able to find on the Web was at http://www.sfhg.org.uk/History4.html (The French Revolution and Genealogy). And what about censuses in both France and Germany? For further info about censuses, try http://www.genealogy.com/tip17.html (European Censuses) or http://www.genealogylinks.net/europe/ger.htm (German Genealogy Links). There must be other links to further information about French/German censuses. Anyone know of any? Lastly, don't forget to check the IGI on the LDS website (www.familysearch.org) to see if you can find any ANGEBEAU or DEHNE information there. Always bear in mind however that the IGI is an index only (therefore incomplete). A Place Search on the same site will also tell you if records for any of the locations you are interested in have been filmed by LDS. I hope my comments have been helpful, not only to the person who posted this inquiry, but to others who may have similar research questions. Once again, sorry for the length. Andrea

There is a proposal to build a retail and apartment building on top of the old Huguenot cemetery in Cork in Carey's Lane. There is only one other Huguenot cemetery in Ireland, in Merrion Square, Dublin. If you want to object to the proposal please quote file 24795/00 and write to Mr R McDowell, Cork City Planning Officer, Abbeycourt House, George's Quay, Cork. They need to know that family historians and tourists generally are interested in Heritage sites and places like this cemetery should be preserved. Shirley Arabin from Mount Maunganui Ka haere, whakamua, ka titiro whakamuri (We walk into the future facing the past)

Listers -- Ina <InaFri@aol.com> has recently mentioned (on 2 Feb) that she is interested in the surname FOUQUET pre-1650, Picardy, FRA, particularly Gillaume FOUQUET, born c1628. In case it might help Ina or others on the list, I just thought I would comment that it's always a good idea to look through our list archives to see if a particular surname has been posted before. However, an archives search can be a bit tricky. Here's why. You will only get the posts containing the surname exactly as you spell it when you type it as a keyword. If it's been spelled any other way in previous posts, you'll have to spell it that way in separate searches to get access to all those posts. (This is a good reason for including all known spelling variants when you post surnames yourself.) FOUQUET happens to be one of those names which has been spelled a few different ways. I found several different postings which mentioned it. These may not be what Ina is looking for in terms of location /time period but, even if a surname is found in a location other than the one you want, it might be worth a quick look -- you might find aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. to your own line! It was not unusual to have different branches of the same family scattering to various countries. Previous posts I found were (chronologically): * 13 Jan 2000 -- lengthy German info. Magdeburg is mentioned as a location. Subject line for that post is: TOLLIN, Henri W. Nathanael, reformierter Pfarrer und Hugenottenforscher. * 5 May 2000 -- there was a post sent by another subscriber about a Guillaume FOUQUET (same name Ina mentioned) of late 1600s Virginia, USA. * 21 June 200 -- surname extracts from Canterbury St. Dunstan mentions FOUQUET, also variants FARQUETT, FEAUQUET, FUQUEET, FUQUETT, FOUQUETT. Subject line for this post is: SURNAMES: ?Huguenot/Walloon? > Canterbury, Kent, ENG. (Many Northern French Protestants settled in Kent.) * 10 Sept 2000 -- surname FORQUET & FARQUET in post with subject line: St. Peter, Canterbury > SURNAME extracts, 1781-1795 (Part 6) * 13 Dec 2000 -- surname FORQUET in post with subject line: All Saints, Canterbury > SURNAME extracts, 1701-1730 * 19 Dec 2000 -- surname FOQUET occurs in post with subject line: All Saints, Canterbury > SURNAME extracts, 1731-1770 *22 Dec 2000 -- subject line for this post is: All Saints, Canterbury > Surname extracts, 1771-1812 Hope this info helps somebody in their research. Andrea

I am looking for any information at all about the ALFONT (or ALFONTE) surname. It may be French, and possibly derived from LAFONT(E). I've been told there may be a Walloon connection. Any help or leads will be greatly appreciated. Judy Winn j-winn2@tamu.edu

Hi Roy, would you mind looking on your list for me please for any FEUILLADES or DE LA FEUILLADE or similar spellings. Many thanks Margaret Pool, NZ

Hello, listers -- We are still getting some requests on the list which are directed at Roy for look-ups. Since he hasn't replied to these in a couple of days, I have a feeling he has now gone on holiday until 17 Feb (as he told us in his post of 31 Jan). He said he would be dealing with look-up requests when he returns so, until then, I guess you'll just have to be patient! <g> There's nothing to prevent listers from sending in other requests in the meantime, as long as everyone understands that there will be a bit of a wait before they get results. Andrea

Hi Roy Could you check the name HERVE (pronounced 'airvay') Regards Jacqui

Dear List, I am trying to find a ggg-grandmother that was married in Paris, Ohio in 1820. The only details I have are: Mary NOEL (could be NOE, NEWELL, KNOWL), born about 1800 in France, died in March 16, 1873 in Kosciosko county, Indiana, married in 1820 in Paris, Ohio to a Henry MUSSER. I would appreciate any information on this person. There is a good chance she was in the Brethren church, of which I am also requesting information. Does this make her a Huegenot ? Greg Franz ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I won't clog up your inboxes, merely say you are invited to my website http://homepages.tesco.net/~Dennis.Clarke where you will find a list and some details of my ancestral families. If you are related please get in touch