Listers -- I thought I would pass on the following message which I (and all other list owners) have received from Rootsweb. Notice that while they do say when this "temporary downtime" will start, they do not say (even approximately) when they expect it to end. Obviously, this means that lists will not be functioning as usual during this time. Hopefully, it won't last too long and won't even be noticed. However, since it might be hours (surely not days!?), I thought I should give a warning on the list. Note that the time/date mentioned by Rootsweb is Pacific Standard Time (North America). Eastern North Americans have to add up to three hours, depending on how far east they are. If you're in the UK, add eight hours. Continental Europe such as Holland, add nine hours. For our friends in AUS/NZ, add about a day and a half. For those who are in South Africa, I'm not sure how much farther ahead you are. The announcement from Rootsweb is as follows -- >Starting at 8 a.m. PST Friday, February 23, RootsWeb will begin a planned >temporary downtime for maintenance of its servers and hosting process. It >will limit this downtime as much as possible, and will return with increased >performance and reliability for future growth. > >In the meantime, please take time to visit RootsWeb.com's sister sites -- >Ancestry.com and FamilyHistory.com -- where you will find additional tools >such as message boards, communities, and databases to help you in the search >for your ancestors. > >Thank you for your patience. > >--The RootsWeb Staff Hopefully, this will be a "non-event" <g>. Andrea

Goodevening to this list from a new sub. in Queensland, Australia. My 3XGrandmother JANE MARIA TOUZEAU was born 1801 in Liverpool, England. Her father was JEAN HENRIE TOUZEAU born about 1775 in Plymouth, England. His father was JACQUES TOUZEAU his mother Jeanne Reparon, Four children of this union were all born in Plymouth. I cannot find if the parents were married in England or France or where they came from. From some old family notes Jacques was a clergyman. Can someone help please TIA Lyn

Hi Ira and all, I am searching for a line in France that would seem to be similar. The name is usually given as de Fay or de la Fay, and they are originally of Aquitaine but had estates in Normandy by the 13th century. Some certainly stayed in Aquitaine though. At least one family (John Fay) was in Marlboro, Massachusetts by 1656, possibly by way of England. There is some suggestion that they may have stayed a generation in England, but that is uncertain. They are said to be Protestant, and were Congregationalists in the early US. As always, I'm looking for more information on them in France. Thanks, Bob Fay Date forwarded: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 07:40:58 -0800 From: "Ira C. Nickle" <inickle@sc.rr.com> Date sent: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:40:05 -0500 Subject: [HWE] De La Fountaine To: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com I am a descendant of the Protestant De La Fountaine family that originated in Normandy, France. Nicholas De La Fountaine moved his family to England and in 1656 Nicholas, Jr. moved to the Colony of Virginia. By 1663 he had moved to Maryland where acquired land. I am interested in learning more of the De La Fountaine family's history in France. Ira ==== HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Mailing List ==== Be a participating subscriber! Post your surname interests often. Once a month is about right, or more often if you have new details. Address your post to Huguenots-Walloons-Europe-L@rootsweb.com ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

Does anyone know if there is any theological or other connection between the Walloons and Huguenots that are the basis for the continuing discussion here and the Cathars of Languedoc and their so called Albigensian heresy that was punished severely by Benedictine Inquisitors in the fourteenth century. It would seem my Fay family line was on the persecuted side of both of these conflicts and it would seem likely that other families were as well. Thus, my question: Is there some kind of a connection? Thanks, Bob Fay

Subject: 3rd International Huguenot Conference The 3rd International Huguenot Conference will be held in South Africa from 25 - 27 September 2002 (i.e. next year)! A call for papers for the conference has just gone out. The theme is: THE HUGUENOTS: ORIGINS, SETTLEMENTS AND INFLUENCE - the story of a refugee people. Information regarding the conference can be found at http://www.geocities.com/hugenoteblad/conference/ whilst a call for papers can be found at http://www.geocities.com/hugenoteblad/conference/call.html Please note that papers/poster presentations on genealogical themes (regarding the Huguenots) are also welcomed. Regards Christo Viljoen

----- Original Message ----- From: <sperkins@rci.rutgers.edu> To: "Roy Day" <royday@dial.pipex.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [HWE] Protestant Prisoners/Bibliotheque Genealogique | Roy: | | May I be so bold as to inquire about the names Brassier/Brassieur | (usually Brashear in America) and Richefort/Richford? I am | searching for Robert Brassier and his sons Robert, Benois/Benoit, | and daughter Susannah. In Norfolk County, Virginia before 1640. | Benois married Marie/Mary Richefort/Richford and moved to | Maryland in the 1660s. | | Merci, Steven, The only name I can find in the Paris library is Brassier and this occurs seven times. One of them is very interesting in that it is entitled " Genealogie de la famille BRASSIER 15 - 19 Siecle". On this basis I would suggest an e-mail to them would be well worthwhile. Roy.

On Wednesday, February 21, 2001 11:26 AM Louise wrote | It is possible that the SWAFFER family came to this country from the continent. We certainly know of the variation SCHAFFER in Germany, but someone has suggested that they may have been from Belgium, hence the reason for contacting this message board. There are many swaffer's in the records in the Ashford area of Kent, but so far my branch only extends back to 1835 to Thomas Swaffer's birth. Later, with his wife Adelaide and seven children, he was a baker in or near to Lydd in Romney Marsh area, before one of the sons moved to Hastings carrying on the baker trade there. | | Does anyone know of earlier swaffer's or have any info on Romney Marsh settlers please? Hi Louise, Whilst I am not sugesting the family did not at some time come from abroad at this time you should continue with your searching in Kent. It is in this county that my family originated and a quick look has found the following SCHAFFER name prior to 1601 20 Marriages 18 Baptisms 12 Burials. This information was obtained from fiche, available from the KFHS detailing BMDs in the Weald of Kent. Roy

On Tuesday, February 20, 2001 10:16 PM Jacqui wrote | Hi Everyone | | I have a Samuel BOUVIER b. c1750 he also had a sister Elizabeth BOUVIER & possibly a brother Peter & Geroge. | | All these people lived in London in the 1700 & 1800's. I can't find a birth for any of them so I'm thinking that the migrated to England. Samuel Bouvier was married in 1775 in Bethnal Green died in 1831 a very wealthy silk weaver. | | My Bouvier's have nothing to do with Jacqueline Bouvier/Kennedy before anyone mentions anything. I am not interested in the Bouvier's in America, it's England I want & something on migration from France or where ever they came from at that time. Jacqui, Not a lot to go on but on the list of denization, March 12 1605/6 a Samuel Desbovirry/Bouverie is mentioned. He was born in Dieppe. Slightly better however is a Pierre Bouvier found amongst Le livre des Tesmoignages de l'Eglise de Threadneedle Street This was dated 3 September 1735 and he was 20 years old and from Baulbec. Whilst you have a lot of work to do there is the possibility, and nothing more, that he was your Samuel's father. There is also a mention of an Elizabeth Bouvrie, the wife of Jacque Gaffe, at the Threadneedle Street Church but this is in 1644. Good hunting Roy

I have been told by an elderly (and not necessarily reliable) relative that my FLEET ancestors from Weedon, Buckinghamshire, aided some van Fleet Huguenots who had fled to England from Holland. I have no further information than that, and since my knowledge of the Huguenots is slim to nil, I would appreciate any suggestions of action I could take which may help prove or disprove this scant tit-bit ! Regards Eunice Cubbage

Jacqui: You bring up an interesting twist on my family, the Bravards. Though noone has been able to prove this theory to my knowledge, there are some researchers here in the States who believe that our last name was originally Beauverd or Beauvert and fled France for England due to religious persecution around 1700 give or take a couple of decades. A Scottish relative set them up in a colony in Northern Ireland. In Ireland, the name was Anglicized to something like Bevard/Bovaird or the like. Subsequent family members or descendants then emigrated to the States where the name changed again to Bevard/Bravard/Brevard/Bovaird etc. Again, this is a theory that I have not seen proven yet. For what it is worth, my ancestor, Jean Brevard/Bravard emigrated from somewhere in Europe about 1700. There might be some credence to your thoery that your Bouviers might have come from France originally. Interestingly, I had a Scottish woman I used to work with who remembers having a neighbor as a child whose name was Bravard! Dan Bravard II Columbus, Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "jacqui cock" <jacquicock@optusnet.com.au> To: <HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 5:16 PM Subject: Bouvier's of London NOT AMERICA > Hi Everyone > > I have a Samuel BOUVIER b. c1750 he also had a sister Elizabeth BOUVIER & possibly a brother Peter & Geroge. > > All these people lived in London in the 1700 & 1800's. I can't find a birth for any of them so I'm thinking that the migrated to England. Samuel Bouvier was married in 1775 in Bethnal Green died in 1831 a very wealthy silk weaver. > > My Bouvier's have nothing to do with Jacqueline Bouvier/Kennedy before anyone mentions anything. I am not interested in the Bouvier's in America, it's England I want & something on migration from France or where ever they came from at that time. > > Regards > > Jacqui > > ______________________________

Listers -- if anyone has tried the URL for the GENDEX Search Engine which I posted yesterday (20 Feb) and found that it didn't work, it's because I accidentally included the "dash" (punctuation mark) after the address as part of the URL. The *correct* URL should be: http://www.gendex.com (no dash at the end). Sorry 'bout that. Andrea

On Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:05 PM Carol J. Markillie wrote | Hello Roy: | | Where does one get a copy of the guide to Protestant research issued by the | Archives Nationales in Paris. I suppose I should write to the National | Archives | before asking that question but if you have any other source, I would | appreciate | knowing it. | | Much obliged, | Carol | California I obtained my copy by searching the web and obtained it from a French firm called Delon-Biblio and a search of that name will find them. It was supposedly second hand but when I received the book it was still in its original wrapper. The total cost was £20 approximately. The book contains some 700 pages and is a gold mine of information - it is of course written in French but is, in the main, easy to translate. I have found it very useful and have found lots of information as a result. The full details are as follows Les Familles Protestantes en France Guide des reserches biographiques et Genealogique par Gildas Bernard Paris Archives Nationales 1987. There could well be copies in libraries and there is to my knowledge one in the Huguenot Library in London. Roy.

It is possible that the SWAFFER family came to this country from the continent. We certainly know of the variation SCHAFFER in Germany, but someone has suggested that they may have been from Belgium, hence the reason for contacting this message board. There are many swaffer's in the records in the Ashford area of Kent, but so far my branch only extends back to 1835 to Thomas Swaffer's birth. Later, with his wife Adelaide and seven children, he was a baker in or near to Lydd in Romney Marsh area, before one of the sons moved to Hastings carrying on the baker trade there. Does anyone know of earlier swaffer's or have any info on Romney Marsh settlers please?

Hello to all -- I want to wholeheartedly agree with the statement made by Roy <royday@dial.pipex.com> today (21 Feb) -- that is, "try any source available" when researching your ancestors because "you never know (when) the unexpected may happen". And for anyone who might want to have a look at the Leiden Collection that Roy mentioned, here is further information. The Leiden Collection is a vast card index of Huguenots in the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany and elsewhere (1500-1828), written in both Dutch and French. In our HWE list archives, I found conflicting information as to where the original records are kept. LDS information lists the location at the Bibliotháeque Wallonne at Leiden. However, a post in the archives from a subscriber mentioned researching the collection at the Leiden Municipal Archives while yet another post from someone else stated that the collection is now at the Centraal Bureau voor Genealogie in the Hague. However, if you don't live near any of those places <g>, the LDS church has filmed the whole thing -- on 199 film reels (did I mention it was vast??)!! The films are arranged alphabetically according to surnames and are numbered from 0199755 (AB-ALE) to 0199953 (WITA-Z). If you'd like to look at a complete listing, including film numbers and how they are arranged alphabetically, please look in the list archives for a post on 8 Feb 2000 with the subject line: Re: Hugenoten (Leiden collectie). The archives are accessible through our list website, in The Basics section, at: http://www.island.net/~andreav/index.html. Finally, just thought I'd mention that there is the Mirandolle Collection which is also for Huguenots in the Netherlands, France, Germany etc.,1644 -1858. I believe that the originals are at the Walloon Library in Leiden but that could be incorrect. But again, LDS has filmed this collection and it is arranged alphabetically according to surnames and films are numbered from 0199963 (AA-BARSE) to 0199983 (VOORBURG-ZIEGLER). A complete listing of Mirandolle should be found on the LDS site (www.familysearch.org) by going to the Family History Library, then click on Search, then select Film/Fiche Search and type in any of the film numbers in the Mirandolle series, ie. 0199963 to 0199983. (Only 20 film reels for this one!) Hope this helps someone out there. Can anyone else tell us about their research experiences with the Leiden and/or Mirandolle Collections (eg. successes, failures, triumphs, despairs??) Andrea

I have always suggested to people with interests in North East France/ Low Countries to search the above as it is a vast collection and it would be surprising not to find the name you are searching. Having no links with the area I decided recently to do as I preach and searched the L's for any mention of the name LERPINIERE which I am researching. Why should there be I asked myself as they have no connection with the area - at least that is what I thought. What did I find but a Marie LERPINIERE who was one of the family that supposedly fled to Switzerland but I had been unable to trace. She was attending a French school at Alkmaar, which is north of Amsterdam but I am unsure in what capacity. My questions therefore are. 1. Does anybody have any knowledge of this part of Holland and the school in particular. The period is 1702 - 1719. 2. The record is in Dutch and there is one word I cannot read/translate - can anybody assist as it is the one word that will explain, I hope, what she was doing at the school. I can send a scanned attachment to anybody that might be able to assist. I have also requested a copy of the filmed records, via the LDS, of the local reform church to see if this reveals further information. The lesson to be learned, sorry about the pun, is try any source available as you never know the unexpected may happen. It certainly did for me. Roy.

Many thanks to Christo for letting us all know about the Third International Huguenot Conference which will be held in South Africa in September 2002. This date gives us all plenty of time to save our money and make travel plans, doesn't it <g>? This post is to let listers know that I have put the information about the Conference on our list website in the Beyond the Basics section, where it will remain (with information updates, I hope) until the Conference has taken place. As a reminder, the website is at: http://www.island.net/~andreav/index.html. If you are re-visiting the site, it may be necessary to click on your Refresh button (or equivalent) to activate the new changes. Finally, for those who may not know, Christo is the Webmaster of The Huguenot Ring, a fascinating site with a wealth of information and links. If you haven't visited there yet, it's at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/8140/webring.htm. This site "promotes the history and heritage of the Huguenots and Walloons, and encourages the study of the family history and genealogy of all those with Huguenot and Walloon ancestors. It serves as an international link of Huguenot societies, Huguenot museums and monuments, and includes websites containing the family history and genealogy of Huguenot surnames." My best to all and thanks again to Christo. Andrea

Hi Everyone I have a Samuel BOUVIER b. c1750 he also had a sister Elizabeth BOUVIER & possibly a brother Peter & Geroge. All these people lived in London in the 1700 & 1800's. I can't find a birth for any of them so I'm thinking that the migrated to England. Samuel Bouvier was married in 1775 in Bethnal Green died in 1831 a very wealthy silk weaver. My Bouvier's have nothing to do with Jacqueline Bouvier/Kennedy before anyone mentions anything. I am not interested in the Bouvier's in America, it's England I want & something on migration from France or where ever they came from at that time. Regards Jacqui

Dear All I wonder whether anyone can tell me whether the name BEDDIS figures in the Huguenots history? I was told many years ago that the "BEDDIS's" came over to England from France, with the Huguenots. I wonder whether there can be any substance to this statement? The BEDDIS name (at least my ancestors) comes from the Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, and my people have lived there for as far back as I can trace. Unfortunately the Forest of dean was an Extraparochial area prior to the early to mid 1800's and my earlier ancestors have been mostly recorded in the parish of AWRE on the banks of the river Severn to the East of the Forest of Dean. My earliest known link is a marriage in 1703, but the earliest mention of a "BEDDIS (or BEDDES/BEDOES as it was then) in that parish is 1649. Prior to that date there is no mention of BEDOES/BEDDIS in that or neighbouring parishes, and I therefore wonder where they came from? Any help would be most gratefully received Best wishes Angela Gibson Sydney, Australia

Hello Roy: Where does one get a copy of the guide to Protestant research issued by the Archives Nationales in Paris. I suppose I should write to the National Archives before asking that question but if you have any other source, I would appreciate knowing it. Much obliged, Carol California

Hello, listers -- Here are two genealogy search engines you might not know about. I will be adding them in the next day or so to the Search Engines link on our list website (in the Beyond the Basics section). Both sites are free to anyone and are well worth a visit. You might find some connections there to surnames you are researching. And it's a good idea to put at least some of your own genealogy on such sites so they can be found by others. Just how much you submit is up to you. http://www.gencircles.com/ -- this is the GenCircles website where you can search through a database of surnames which have been submitted by others (said to be over 15 million) and you can contact those submitters if you want to. You can also contribute your own genealogy to the site via GEDCOM files. This site includes a Global Tree, Clubs (members can share or chat with each other) and also a Matching feature. http://www.gendex.com/-- this is the GENDEX WWW Genealogical Index which contains " hundreds of World Wide Web databases containing genealogical data for over twelve million individuals, and gives you the ability to locate and view data of interest to you on any of these databases, without having to go and visit each of the databases separately." You can search through the surname index and a database index. If anyone does find a family connection through these sites, I hope they will share this information with the list. Andrea